and dolphin rickshaws

Lol in the grim brightness

Sounds like a whale lot of fun. A kriller good time.

Whale buses for the Whale God!

Blame Loki. It's a multiverse variant.

40k does the same thing as well. Possibly due to the Rebellion of the Men of Iron (also known as the Iron War by 40k fans) and the Age of Strife resulting in the hololithes (40k term for holo-projector) reserved for planning and 3D real-time communication with everything else for controlling a ship replaced with more traditional means (i.e. buttons, switches, sceens, etc.)

But both _Star Wars_ and _40k_ are used futures; they're supposed to be dingy and beat up without all the bells and whistles. Though as we see more of both settings you discover there are bits of the settings that are less 'used,' and you don't find the Galactic Empire using hologram displays for everything, either.

but there's JUST NO COLOR! ITS ALL BLUE!

@@cyborgbob1017 there are colored ones

@@cyborgbob1017 i think that's intentional. Its meant to mimic old black and white VHS tapes. Its the same reason why it has scan lines and the sound is kinda static-y. Its supposed to feel used and archaic.

The Expanse has that when it comes to creating solar system or battle maps etc

I mean also from a physics perspective using a system that allows you to remove bulky monitors that add mass to your ship and thus represent an expenditure of energy on acceleration when your society might need to be highly efficient in energy use for space flight is another argument on why holographic or even retinal projected AR systems that would operate functionally like holographic displays make sense.

I saw you mention the Honorverse and immediately went, "Yes! That! Someone mentioned David Weber!" It took me more time to process your excellent point. I feel like David Weber generally does a good job of portraying even smaller details like that, and not just in the Honorverse/Honor Harrington series. Thanks for mentioning it by the way, David Weber could always use more honest praise.

Yep, that came to mind immediately, and even there, the 'Holo Tank' was usually used in a dimly lit room, to help the command team visualize tactical evolutions or to get an overview of large scale ship maneuvers. The bridge officers still sat at consoles and looked at screens, and used their fingers to push physical buttons, which makes perfect sense. It would be comedic to have Honor looking around her bridge during a frantic battle and see every one of her people flailing at some huge floating mess of shifting, translucent patterns as the ship shook, sirens blared, and acrid smoke filled the room. Well, either comedic or nightmarish.

@@thadiusbarnelsnatch3665 but is projecting a hologram energy efficient?

that's smart.

Yes ACCIDENT definitely.....

"Accidentally"

@@brycehunter3457 Its the risk they implicitly agreed to take.

Well what else are you supposed to do when they blink too loud? They earned it!

loll that's one way of looking at it

i just love how u said "in my opinion" twice XD It really says something about our society...

Also in a dark room with nothing around so you can focus on what you looking at and not get distracted

@@Tobs3l I just want to make it FULLY CLEAR!

Me to

@@inquisitorbenediktanders3142 i know XD But its still funny

Maybe the answer is simply don't. Something like they did in Star Trek ( the older ones like TNG or TOS, ... ). They have these consoles and they just tap them to do certain things, nothing complicated ( might have been seen differently at the time ), but currently it just looks like they are using semi-regular touch screen. The visual effects might not have been stunning or cinematic, but that did not stop these ST series from being popular, even despite their lack of these, the fans loved them regardless. And I think there is a simple reason why - Good stories in interresting universe, which is something people should focus on when creating these sci-fi s.

I feel like that's easier to do with more traditional controls though. You can tell a moment intense when somebody throws a joystick forward, you don't need somebody swinging their arms about like a madman in front of a invisible screen to demonstrate that you're flying erratically. The hacking is a little more excusable, but even then, if it's really that boring to watch, then why not just write it out of the scene entirely and have it be something done off screen while the protagonist do something more interesting. Maybe the hacker is hacking into a system while the rest of the characters are trying to insert a thumb drive with a virus on the other end or something. It's a very uncreated solution to a problem with many Creative Solutions. How do you make boring things interesting? The Simple Solution is to just not show the boring things and replace it with something else. It's the same reason why we don't show people going to the bathroom or having lunch in Media, it's not necessary to the understanding of the plot

@@pennyforyourthots watch mr robot, they do hacking well and interesting

Exactly. You can see actors doing their acting from behind the displays.

@@notoriousgoblin83 Mr. Robot was really good at making hacking interesting without overdramatizing what hacking is. They go out of their way to show how much of what they do is social engineering and getting a payload to a target. Getting physical access to a building to create an entry point is a much bigger part of what they show than the actual writing of the malicious script. I'm also a fan of the fact that they put the social engineering part front and center, because that is what tends to do the most damage.

You could also just hire a camera crew and set designers competent enough to get the actor's face in the shot. You can put control surfaces below eye level but have them in the same shot so you see the operator's expression as they flip switches and type in commands. Like, shit, we do just fine depicting this stuff in modern settings without holo-displays. This comment smacks of saying that the people producing sci-fi are just lazier than people producing other genres.

​@@warmachine5835 I mean yea, you can do that... stuff like Jurassic Park comes to mind, which has a couple of great tense scenes with people struggling to make computers do stuff. But not everything is a Spielberg film... and convenience is still worth _a lot_ .Such arranges as you propose might limit how any one shot is planned, demand rewrites, constrain the set design, etc. Floaty glowing holograms also have the massive advantage of being done almost entirely in post-production and everything can be changed or fixed in the editing room. Studios love that. If a physical screen produces a glow of a color that clashes with the outfits of the actors on set, or produces an awkward reflection on their eyes or glassess, is too bright or too dim, etc. you are married to that take, whereas a CGI hologram can be changed on a whim. All of these things might sound silly to most people in the public, but it takes a huge burden out of the production and might save them millions. I don't _personally_ like it, but I understand why they do it. So... it's not lazyness, it's common sense. If other genres had the option they'd do it too. In fact I was thinking that luminous magic symbols floating in the air to depict arcane magic might have a similar function in fantasy. It's a cool, communicative, cheap, easy and unobtrusive way to communicate "Smart person doing complex stuff that would be boring and awkward to depict otherwise". My point is people are looking for an in-world justification, when in all likelyhood there's a much bigger out-of-fiction one.

@@Rodrigo_Vega You're absolutely right. I have a little bit of experience in digital rendering and from what I have seen holograms are a dime-a-dozen for experienced Vfx artists to produce. Outfitting an entire starship bridge with physical controls is going to cost a lot more time and money to design and build all of those props.

@@Rampant16 time and money well spent though! With how many franchise “revamps” that are dying....they are in desperate need of good, visual as well as written works of art. Blade runner comes to mind. I still have to go back and watch a movie from the 80s to get a visual thrill. Seriously deckards apt, I can almost feel what it’s like to be there on that rainy balcony with all those lights and blimps overhead. Bright CGI everywhere with lens flare hasn’t given me that same feeling and I’ve tried. I don’t mind seeing the back of actors head as long as I can see what they are doing on the panels, and it’s probably better for the actor as well. So again I say money well spent.

EC henry (I think) made a Video suggesting what Star Trek Picard could have done with it’s holograms, instead of what every other thing in sci-fi does. One of the coolest ideas was using trek’s holograms to make holographic furniture and ship controls, that mimicked the look and feel of physical controls, so (for example) you could tell the computer to give you an LCARS display circa 2360 and you’d get a fully solid control Console just like on the enterprise D.

The issue with that is clearly conveying to the audience that the person is only present via holoprojection without mentioning it every time it happens.

@@SpaceNerd117 There is no need to constantly remind the audience. Just establish it once and mention it every so often when its actually relevant.

Oh god you just ruined that for me lmao. I totally forgot about the solid holograms 😂😂😂

@@darwinxavier3516 a good example of that is in The Expanse where they subtly remind you that they don’t have artificial gravity. They do it by having characters casually leave a tool (pen, wrench, drink) just floating in the air while they do something else, then come back to it. And they never mention it. Then occasionally they’ll remark about learning the boots, and that subtle mechanical sound when walking.

Interesting, so even cigarettes did "sports cards" at some point. Seems so bizarre from my perspective in the present day. Thanks for that factoid.

Lol, now they have diseases cards!

Ngl, the whale submarine is kinda awesome though

This entire series is fantastic. Years ago I had an entire wall of them displayed. They did not survive cohabitation however.

whale busses were actually blueprints for the fortnite bus

Yes, since the solar system is kinda only viable when seen in 3d due to the planets rotating around the sun constantly. I feel like the Expanse does it best. The Roci still has computer screens, but for example the Razorback an extremely fast racing pinacle that shifts within its own vessel has holographic displays.

@@lemonf6859 also, I think the Razorback still has physical controls. The data display being holograms makes sense here because it means they don't have to secure a screen against high-G maneuvers, but you absolutely want physical controls for tactile feedback and reliability. Solomon Epstein for example would be alive if the engine controls had been on his chair instead of a panel in front of it. The biggest failure of holo controls is that if something goes wrong, there's no recourse. Someone smashed the holo emitter with a baseball bat? Whoops. Can't reach the holo-button because you're in a 12G burn and can't lift your arm? Sucks to suck.

@@warmachine5835 Solomon Epstein, galaxies fastest corpse.

Holographic displays have one important use - no flying debris from weapons impacts

@@toddkes5890 ay bruh, if there's weapons impacts, you got other things to worry about than the display fragging on you

Or like a ring that you wear on your hand and anyone with the ring can use physical movements to control the map.

There's no reason you couldn't have map control via hand gesture too. Could be very useful in a flagship's CIC to be able to pick and place formations in a sphere and transmit those orders in one or two motions. But fire control absolutely needs a physical interface for precision and reliability. Zoom in on a sensor image with a hand gesture is a perfectly fine function of this technology. My beef comes from when the helmsman is trying to perform combat maneuvers. There's no way in hell you'd want your flight controls relayed through a transparent 3D light interface. Can't wait for the ship to take a hit and the helmsman accidentally hit 'all stop' instead of 'flank' lol

There is a wip space sim called starship simulator that has the exact setup you described

Would also make sense to include a few as HUDs for pilots and such

that would make sense or otherwise in would be more distracting then helpful

@@lusar626 We see TV displays go from thick big ass things weighing as much as cars evolve into some of the thinnest displays. No one. NO ONE has ever said, "I want my display so thin, I can SEE THROUGH IT"

Same it’ll be tin like glass but you can do your task of looking at the radar instead of it and seeing the coms and engineer coms at the same time because they’re both on front of you or look what your seeing on a train ride without someone getting nosy or watch something more immersive because you only looking what you want to look like a movie or watch porn or hentai and not get distracted or see what on the other side like a flower pot, family photo or portairt or like your parents, poster, or the wall or your girlfriend or boyfriend message you and whe you open it you see that person wearing something lewd and now everyone around you is seeing it or you company is plain to make a sequel to a game but was planing to announce it next e3 but now everyone know or someone was watch a show and spoiler the ending for you because you where unfortunately look at their direction

@@USSAnimeNCC- To illustrate the point of something that's "holographic" but functional are "holographic" sights for guns. they are projections onto glass using emitters but the whole point is to have an aiming reticle and you see it but also through it to the target. THAT makes sense. They have them on fighters as well.

Yeah I don't understand that either. If I do a scifi story the holographics will look indistinguishable from real life objects so when you watch a movie its more like a play in front of you.

Whale oil shortage, world to go dark.

YES THEY ARE CARBON NEUTRAL TOO

@@silverbird425 After the loss of the dark matter monopoly, I doubt the world would survive a whale oil shortage.

Based.

You must be one of those whale oil lobbyist

Mechanical force fields for better holo buttons feedback.

I suppose you could just use Rios as your interface.

This is quite funny about animals as trosport

I could see some use for rapidly reconfigurable controls for perfect ergonomics for each individual person for 2d projections.

I played a few 3d space games in vr and they are just so much better in visualisation and one strategy game even had better controlls than comparable pc games.

The main screen of the enterprise D in TNG is that, while is something subtle, you can see that when they move the camera, the view on the screen view changes

@@michaelandreipalon359 BattleGroupVR: Excellent control system and cool atmosphere, sadly progress system is so bad that the game is basicly unplayable SpaceEngine: Cool universe simulation, excellent visuals, control schema is ok, but not revolutionary and takes a few minutes to learn AGOS A Game in Space: I only played the first three levels, but has a good atmosphere, controls are ok, but not really better than on the pc

But even in AR, the images we see are just super imposed onto the background and are NOT translucent

Thats useful, but its also a pretty specific case and profession

Augmented reality could be useful in the every day life, I would like to have some kind of HUD

A HUD is a 2D image superimposed on a 3D background and augmented reality is two 2D images of different perspectives show to your eyes. Your entire argument is 2D not 3D

@@kenneyshepard4511 AR Could very well be 3D if we had the means to make it. Not to mention, so what if my argument is in 2D? It still rings true.

Hollow graphic displays. I lovehate speech-to-text autocorrect

*for whale-work

@@Aerxis They're late for work for the parachute mailman company

Yeah, Minority Report may have made it popular, but Iron Man and the MCU made it cliché.

Ya this is definitely why they are used so much in sci-fi. It looks cool and makes the world look futuristic. And because of that they can just use holograms to show advanced technology or that it's the future without saying a single word.

Mhmm. For all of their flaws in typical depictions, the stuff shown in the first Iron Man did also display a key unique advantage they could potentially have, which is adaptability and freedom of use in varied spaces. Whilst not quite as magically slick as Iron Man's, it's similar to what I already enjoy in VR today, using overlay apps. I have two physical monitors for my PC, but whilst in VR I can have as many as I want. I can create a new virtual "monitor" for every application and window if I want, and spread them around my space as appropriate. I can put Discord on my left wrist, Twitch on my right, KZfaq on the ceiling, and Unity in a five panel spread that follows in front. I can resize or move windows on the fly, change the distance or angles they show at, make them fade when not looked directly at, curve them, switch between saved workspace layout with a button press, etc etc etc. This is how I envision the future would be using them. Not as a flashy yet defunct replacement for physical displays, but as an adaptive workspace for tasks that actually suit them.

@@oneMeVz i mean if the chips are microscopic nanites sized I don't think that'll matter. But let's say it takes as much hardware to display a Holo display vs an actual display. The Holo display automatically wins because it doesn't require a screen which is what 90% of a monitor or tv? Then there's the fact that if a screen gets hit by anything the display is fucked. If you have a fire fight on your CIC, with bullets going flying, then the giant monitors are probably gonna get fucked but maybe a Holo display is more durable and can be shot through so

Important distinctions here: in ME they use Haptic Adaptive Interfaces, not holos. Haptic, as in, the same tech used in smartphones, just made better. Holos are used only when the 3D applications are useful - battlefield screens and video calls, For all other daily and administrative usage, they use computer terminals which are analogues to desktops, datapads and omni-tools. All of these use Haptic; basically for keyboards and stuff. There is no hand-waving or stupid shit like that; the data is mostly presented on tab-like or PC-like screens. Secondly, the reason why the keyboards themselves don't use solid material instead of projections. Special gloves with microchips installed in them are used to interact with these keyboards, and most people forego the gloves with chips installed into their fingers. These are silicon microchips two centuries from now. Nowadays phones weigh less than 100g, and microchips weigh less than 1/1000 of it. No reason of these becoming cumbersome.

Mass Effect always had the best sensible explanations for classic sci-fi technology

@@andrewk9267 except the finicky lore on Tech Armor, most of ME Codex is solid af.

@@muhtasimfahmid7844 just re-read it, seems to be spaced-armour with some explosive-reactive-armour features thrown in. Think of it as an explosion trapped between two force-fields, when the fields are about to fail the energy is directed outward.

Or just gloves

And it's an aesthetic choice of conveing something that is still futuristic in an era where Star Trek's touch screen keyboards are less advanced than the smartphone touch screens we have today. I mean, they're essentially just touch screen versions of the 60s analogue button panels! You can't move apps or swipe them away like you can do on a modern smartphone and every PADD can only ever hold one document like an e-book with only enough space for one book! That makes me wonder if we'll ever be able to go bold enough to predict technology details correctly. I'm imagining someone in the future era a sci-fi show is set and chuckling away at how the elementary things of a future technology was predicted but the details were wrong and not thought far enough...like an e-book with only one book.

Halo does this with people enlisted in the UNSC having a neural implant to better interface with the computers, eliminating the need for common holo-projectors except the ones used to project the AIs.

Or simply a cloud of nano-bots held in place with a magnetic field.

Ok, so depict that in a scene in a movie or TV show to convey info to an audience.

@@N0-1_H3r3 Have it like a HUD. Hey, if it's military sci-fi, have the characters talk about how they made war into even more of a game with HUDs.

@@N0-1_H3r3 Just have the audience see what the characters see. You see the display but in real life there is nothing there. Its all in the mind of the characters. Like when how they do when a character is hallucinating.

Did you find those jellyfish at Farpoint? Because those ones seemed more than semi-sentient.

The subjugation of our cozmozoan friends ends here!

@@the_kraken6549 we don't mess with them, we grew our own. BONUS when eaten, they taste like Pop-Tarts!

Mimbari fleet command rooms In Babylon 5.

Greendale Community College's Hologram of Pierce Hawthorne

I would consider myself a Mass Effect geek but never new this fact about their holos. But that would still not negate external effects from hindering your fine control on the holos like the ship shaking when hit. A joysitck or something fixed would be far better. I really liked the implimentation in the expense universe.

@@selectthedead True, once the barriers go down, the controls on a warship may be harder to hit, but Mass Effects Holo interface is not just a military technology. Civilian use is near universal.

this is a known thing in the 70s; the term of art is gorilla arm, because your arm is held out in front of you and looks like a gorilla. i just figured ST:P writers weren't very good

And now imagine doing all that when you're trying to pull 10 Gs to avoid getting hit by a missile.

@@dercooney Yes, that's the term I was thinking of. Thanks!

@@UEDCommander plot point in the expanse, believe it or not

@@UEDCommanderSo you survived, after all.

It always seems like the holograms can emit light but not absorb it, so they can't make black or dark colors. In this case the closest thing to a solid hologram is a bright rectangle with holes in it shaped like letters and symbols.

@@DecidedlyNinja You are correct. However, there is a way to simulate absorption to create black colors with no materials. Light is an electromagnetic wave sometimes. If you project an electromagnetic wave on the same wavelength and amplitude but at an inverted interference pattern. This results in the light canceling out and dropping to a lower energy wavelength. In sound, that just means the pressure waves stop moving. With light, it means the wavelength is flattened to something flat like the Infra Red or X-ray set. All we need is something outside the visible light spectrum. However, that takes energy equivalent to the ambient light you are attempting to cancel out. Indoors, we are not talking that much energy, as it is as much as the light bulbs we use. However, outdoors... You need to have an energy output equivalent to the sun... which can be anywhere between a hundred to a thousand times brighter than any indoor space. We are talking kilowatts. If you are in space near a star, you are talking gigawatts of electricity to run a display the size of a standard computer monitor. Let that sink in. You are not quite correct that there is no way to make the holographic screen dark. You are correct enough in your assumption that it will have severe limitations in terms of the needed brightness to achieve simulated opacity, though. It is an absurd concept, really.

In some universes. Star Trek holodecks create something solid to interact with. Mass Effect has "hard light" holograms so those would provide tactile feedback.

This is where I think augmented reality is gonna go rather than holograms.

@@chaosfire321 Yeah, I think that is more likely our future, but will not replace regular displays entirely. We just have to keep miniaturize them maybe until the size of contact lens of that is even possible.

Bingo, just like when people write their plans and equations on windows.

Agreed, rather then alternating between a screen and the actors reaction to it, you can have the screen input in the foreground, and see the actor's reaction in real time to the foreground presented information. If it helps, Templin Institute Avatar fellow, imagine the translucent displays are solid in-universe, and merely presented as translucent to us seeing the alternate universe through our alternate universe surveillance system. Someone looking back at us would see our solid backed monitors as having know casing in the same manner, so someone is looking backwards through this text even as I write it...

@@ustauk3552 The real time reaction is unnecessary though. Especially when all they're looking at is nonsensical pseudodata or a recording of something that already happened. The reactions shown from staring at any of these holodisplays are never that interesting anyway. Sound in space can be handwaved away since no one acknowledges sounds coming from vacuum. But showing transparent surfaces that (theoretically)should be opaque would be like having a Wes Anderson cutaway set. Except that's part of Wes Anderson's style, and holodisplays are meant to be taken seriously. None of the IPs that use these displays imply anything about them only being transparent to the audience, they are a technology that could function exactly as they're shown. So we have to take what we see at face value and criticize accordingly. Headcanoning things only gives people a pass to continue throwing in dumb shit just because they think it looks cool. Or worse, demanding that the dumb shit be shoehorned in because its trendy.

@@darwinxavier3516 Or the glass screens that were used in White Rabbit Project. It looks good for an audience, but less useful if actually used. But it is a stylistic choice, regardless of how well we nerds might like it.

@@lightningcat82 Man, I miss original Mythbusters before one of their assistants soldout to fastfood propaganda.

Busted for watching Netflix on the job.

If it wasn’t for hackers and spam that would be a great idea. But now imagine your head vibrating every two hours because of “your vehicle’s extended warranty”.

@@92HazelMocha eventually everyone will use it, GIS is pretty scary sometimes because seems pretty realistic. we are actually working on micromachinery which is the base of androids and augmented people from GIS. i don't see we will have a future like in the show, but eventually people will embrace these devices, to have more memory and have a faster way of comunication at least

Doesn't even need to go that far. I think we'll get pretty close in the coming decades with AR headsets, glasses and contact lenses.

@@INWMI That's the good thing about GIST, though they are cyberpunk sci-fi, they actually quite pretty realistic despite the more of futuristic 80's tech. Somehow they are far more grounded that may actually happen in the future, but not as gritty as GIST. We are pretty much like how GIST predicted in the future, minus the cybernetics and mind upload.

@@92HazelMocha Shadowrun plays with this idea, where there are minimum security standards for any kind of wireless man-machine interface because of this. And even then, many people still avoid wireless interfaces because they don't have the option of just 'pull the plug' if someone tries breaking in. I personally agree with the OP that the future of user interfaces is cyberpunk-style man machine interfaces with 'analog' backups. Like, if you can't plug in, you can still use a joystick and read the HUD, but most pilots will just connect with their datajack and control the fighter jet with their thoughts.

i bet Epstein would have wished for a hardware shutdown button on his seat!

Plot twist: it's used to make sure people exercise in zero gravity environment

Unnecessarily. I would have a better reaction to this video if he actually offered a solution. Next he should make a video on why energy guns are stupid because "we could never have enough power to use away like that"

@@jakespacepiratee3740 yeah because we all know that the energy density and discharge rate of power supplies can never be improved beyond where they are today and that using explosions to throw rocks is the eternal pinnacle of weapon technology that is impossible to surpass in a few decades time all that "realistic" scifi showing us zipping aroundwith FTL while still using slightly dressed up 20th century guns is gonna look horribly dated

@@trippyulyanov2012 Dude, I fucking agree. Laser guns are based! Im being sarcastic, I am saying what I think Templin Institute would complain about next, this being energy guns.

@@jakespacepiratee3740 sorry man its just i spend a lot of time studying the damn things and get kinda defensive about the subject haha. I kinda hope he doesnt do an energy weapons video cos im almost certain he'll make the usual mistake of assuming power supplies never improve, nothing less than a megawatt can scratch flesh, and efficiency is the be all end all of a weapon. That said i liked his most recent video on tanks, i agree with him about hovertanks being dumb and twin-cannons being mostly useless, but i still disagree with his anti-mech stance. Mechs like lasers suffer a lot from an over-reaction of disbelief due to an abundance of unrealistic portrayals in popular media.

@@trippyulyanov2012 Sad to hear about the Hover-tank idea. I thought that was the most creative idea COD: Advanced Warfare had, and I was planning on including it. I thought it would be practical because it would be able to move a lot faster. I guess not? How would you think a laser-tank should be used? I still like Templin Institute but I think they are trying too hard to become the absolute authority on Sci-fi, and are becoming too quick to diss various sci-fi concepts and offer little-to know alternative, or just straight-up not do much research on the matter. Like their "The Banished seem kinda lame video" ...the Banished were set up in a strategy game, not a story-focused shooter like other Halo games. Its unfair to call them lame so soon. I would have preferred it if they waited until Halo Infinite to review the Banished, as that game features them front-and-centre in a FPS environment.

But...isn't there an obvious advantage that he ignores completely? Space and weight....is it not logical to make one lense and use a small digital system to control brightness and image size...rather than to craft each and every pixel that than each take up different amounts of space based on the screen size?

@@Red_Eye_Jedi You make it seem like making "pixels" are an incredibly time consuming and resource intensive task compared to lenses, when it's completely opposite. LCD and LED screens are retardedly easy to make, especially with the economy of scale we have now. As for space and weight, you only need to see modern ultrathin TVs to realise actually LED screens can be retardedly thin, most of the circuitry can even be redirected elsewhere, nobody ever said they need to be behind the screen itself. In fact, whatever makes a hologram go tick, would likely have a system far bulkier, behind it, due to the immense power needed to generate a a image bright enough to be seen in the air.

@@Red_Eye_Jedi the end point IS the tactile side of things especially with complex devices being controleld with 'hanging in the air' controls. They have tried time and time and time and time again to create holographs but the idea of a light based 3d model would require and end point that light falls on and bounces back....I mean that's the whole concept of light to begin with.....a holographic display is like a light saber......unexplainable

@@eL_K_Dee I agree the feedback is an issue...it makes no sense to use a hologram for a buttons or controls...maybe contact lenses or neural implants make more sense than holograms but I find it hard to believe what we consider a screen is the most efficient solution to the issue of displaying data

@@Red_Eye_Jedi but of course augmented reality using a head gear with spacial recognition could advance but imagine a future where you need a new implant added to control each device....that's a lotta implants hehe. As for displaying data, I've always laughed about the see through aspect as well.. is it easier to read something translucent? or is it easier to read something with hard contrasting colours on a proper opaque background?

Glad it's not just me who gets that. Far too much literalism in sci-fi fandom these days.

Same with those helmet lamps that shine in - it's for the faces versus being useful.

Well, on the Bridge of a warship like the MCRN Donnager, being able to bring up the display from a monitor does make sense from a command perspective as it allows multiple officers on the bridge to see what's on the screen without having to crowd around it (something that a single railgun round would love). The captain, or anyone of sufficient clearance can manipulate the display as needed to show the required data, and at least in that situation, it works fine for another reason: They're at battle stations where most of the lights are turned off and much of the power is diverted to weapons and sensors.

The issue is people trying to claim that they _are_ practical as an excuse for having them on the show rather than admitting that its purely a storytelling trick. But its an unnecessary trick anyway since we've been cutting between the footage and the actor's reaction just fine for decades.

Ah, yes. If it's stupid and doesn't make sense, it's all artistic license. Sorry; I've never gotten the hang of mind reading creatives. Crippled as I am, I have to assume that everything they show me is what is actually happening unless they specifically tell me that that is not the case.

That and holographic and transparent displays in shows/movies have to more to do with simplicity of shooting the scene rather than practicality of its usage. Plus, they look way cooler than green cathode ray tube screen.

Stargate did just fine without it.

To be fair, if we go full realistically on spaceships, if you have people in them (which is kind of impractical, but I'm assuming there is, otherwise things would get boring) then you probably want the habitable area very well protected in the insides of the ships and just have false windows that aren't true windows but ones that show live recording of the outside of the ship (and that's just to maintain personel's sanity, heck if you have FTL internet one could consider life recording of a paradisiacal place, as long as it is consistent it doesn't matter).

Also, holographic display doesn't fill the working space when it is turned off, so you can fill it with something else (maybe, a display for another crucial system). Holographic displays, actually, let you rationalize your battlestation in more proper way.

The problem with this is you can pretty much shoot whatever device its projecting the display and that's pretty much it. Also it's a lot much harder to diagnose when things go awry. For example, in zero gravity conditions, a person flies through the entire display. Did she accidentally clicked all the buttons or misplaced all the windows? Same thing when a fly goes through the display, or large objects, maybe even dust.

@@Ditidos I’m certain their are very common and reasonable purposes to have unmanned spaceships, but i’m curious why you think its impractical to ever have someone on the spaceship. Do people never…go anywhere off world in your interpretation of scifi settings?

@@modest_spice6083 To be fair, large command screens and such are much easier to take out with a single hit. However a bunch of holographic projectors placed throughout the bridge are not just much harder to hit, they're also redundant as if one is taken out, others can take up the load.

So by making it a standard display screen? ;)

@@IAmTheRealBill no, because the 3d aspect would be retained

That and Holden wasn’t a whiner in the books.

And it's not like star trek couldn't do hard-light consoles.

@@hellacoorinna9995 that's a very good point

At least mass effect thought about it enough to add the lore to make it make sense.

I really liked how Cloud Atlas portrayed the small concrete room with holographic/display walls.

@@olinkirkland Yes!!! Holographic display has a lot of potential in films other than visual flares

The Expanse gets around this by having the displays attached to monitors that seem to have their own energy source, and if there isn't enough power to have the holographic image, it just defaults to the screen that image is part of. Phones however just seem to brick themselves.

Hell, I know that just by the fact that my ipod could run on fumes for a surprisingly long time if I DON'T turn the screen back on.

Yeah, tell that to all the "it would be unrealistic _not_ to have them in the future so lets shoehorn them into the show" people.

Yeah but a HUD has a different use case than a computer monitor

A HUD is designed to be transparent as an overlay on top of your regular sight. You actually want to see through it.

I agree but also feel like a HUD serves a different purpose. HUDs should be transparent because they are meant to enhance what is beyond then in your vision. However, you don't directly interact with them. Input control exists elsewhere.

But that's a Pepper's Ghost.

I want to see people play with cyberpunk man-machine interfaces. There's some neat implications of having controls and conversations at the speed of thought, and representing how the characters perceive these things vs the real-time effects they have.

I feel like you'd be missing the real core of your coffee and doritos problem if you thought the keyboard was the main cause of the mess.

@@darwinxavier3516 Clearly, you didn't read my comment properly... i never said "if", I said when... i know i am the cause of the problem.

@@mr.piccolo186 I was referring to anyone in general, not specifically you.

Yeah but most touchpads suck. People just got used to mediocre interfaces.

Use google, yandex ru or duckduckgo.

You mean commercial with the stockbroker with a Saiyan style scanner seemingly yelling to himself in the park?

@@darwinxavier3516 as in a cellphone that looks like a clear piece of glass in your hand

@@Excalibur01 I must've missed that or blocked it out. That sounds absurdly fragile.

It would be cool if a holographic phone can be be designed to be opaque and visible from a single side so I can have it pop in and out of my wrist at a moment's notice.

Privacy is an issue. People can see what you're watching.

@@Joshua_N-A yeah what’s the point of incognito when everyone can just look at you

@@keisufederationmapping2748 I just don't like transparent screens in sci fi. Not a fan of it.

@@Joshua_N-A privacy is a lot easier with the stuff we have today

I feel we all need a power hug now and then.

Just delete everything before neural interfaces and you have a good statement. Why would I spend tons of money on hard light and nanites for my redundant control interface when the primary interface is through an RJ45 port in the back of my neck? All I really need is a comfy chair.

@@warmachine5835 Showing things to multiple people in a quick fashion aka Sci-fi holo ads everywhere, or classrooms. Have the main lesson loaded on the Implant and show additional info via physical manipulation. If you just have hardlight projectors at the desk/workstation you don't need to spend money on real items or parts. There are also other uses in Industrial, and Design environs that make physical manipulation a better choice. For military uses? Yeah just Implant and clicky buttons or levers. Anything more is just overcomplicating it and adding cost you don't need. Although the reasoning used in Mass Effect for why its all holo consoles is valid. The projectors are both cheaper and lighter then normal consoles, and can just show whatever the person needed so any station can do any job. IMO for a backup system that could be used as a valid argument.

@@dragoonpreston3 Why do you need to show them in the real world. They just watch the projection on their own implants as well.

You type words to send messages!?

U.S.S. ENTERPRISE continuously encounters aliens, extra-dimensional beings and mechanical technologies that wreak havok on the ship: no attempts made to upgrade security. BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: one Cylon invasion? No frakking cellphones on my ship!!!

How can you be "the only one" out of 8 billion people ??

@@TomLehockySVK It's a figure of speech Tom.

@@barry3612 hush, barry

How do you power the sensors showing what is around you with no power?

You'd have redundancy, like any proper military aircraft today. If one of them was to blackout completely, they would come down like a rock. Navigational equipment on ships and aircraft have backup batteries.