Homelab Dial-Up
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Күн бұрынGetting a local dial-up internet setup in my homelab with a Cisco 2610 router, an ATA, and some PCMCIA modems. We'll also try to setup a local Napster server, get a local AOL Instant Messenger (AIM) server going, and reminisce with my wife about what it was like to dial-up and use AIM back in the early 2000s.
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Dial-Up Guides:
www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?...
serialport.org/blog/cisco-rou...
gekk.info/articles/ata-config...
Opennap: github.com/sbcas/opennap
retro-aim-server: github.com/mk6i/retro-aim-ser...
Rack stuff
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Video gear
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Music by Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio
00:00 Intro
00:37 Hardware Overview
01:36 Dial-Up Plan
03:41 ATA Setup
07:40 Testing the ATA
11:13 Setting up the Cisco Router
19:57 Troubleshooting Modem and ATA
23:10 Dialing Up
24:00 Accessing the Network over Dial-Up
25:23 Why People are Nostalgic for Dial-Up
28:12 Trying to Setup a Napster Server
38:29 Setting up a Local AIM Server
39:24 Using AIM Over Dial-Up
40:34 Reminiscing with my Wife about AIM
@NickBouwhuis 14 күн бұрын
The Napster server mentioned running on 127.0.0.1:8875. That means it only listens for incoming connections on the localhost. Try setting the listen address to 0.0.0.0:8875 or :8875. If you do the latter, make sure to edit the hosts file with your internal IP, too.
@pearcomputers2542 14 күн бұрын
Yeah, that immediately caught my eye at 33:41 :D I guess i already tried too often to reach stuff that wasn't even listening globally.
@jonathanschober1032 14 күн бұрын
Agreed! This is why Napster failed!
@adampope5107 14 күн бұрын
The meta server is talking to the main server over loopback. They're both on the same physical server.
@jonathanschober1032 13 күн бұрын
@@adampope5107 I thought the meta server is what clients communicate to. It also explains why Napster also on localhost worked
@adampope5107 13 күн бұрын
@@jonathanschober1032it looks like the meta server acts as some sort of redirector which should be talking only to the main server. The client should be talking to the main server over port 8888. I think the client browser is configured to talk on the wrong port. If the meta server is supposed to be the client facing service, then yeah, it needs to be configured to listen to the IP address on the NIC.
@noahisamathnerd 14 күн бұрын
Bringing in The Serial Port and CRD!? It’s the crossover episode I never knew I wanted!
@danisgay100 14 күн бұрын
I would like to see someone do dial up with windows ce in 2024
@theserialport 13 күн бұрын
Dial-up Dreams
@papalyjon9087 13 күн бұрын
Geeks are sleeping on ClabRetro
@VK2FVAX 12 күн бұрын
@@danisgay100 CE?! Why you hate them so much?!
@cda32 3 күн бұрын
TSP never went into much detail of their POTS setup :(
@willosfloppydrive 14 күн бұрын
I'm happy you're succeeding in making KZfaq videos, I remember talking to you when you had less than 10k subs and I checked to see how many subs you had 1 year ago, you had around 640!
@clabretro 14 күн бұрын
thank you! it's been a fun ride so far
@willosfloppydrive 14 күн бұрын
@@clabretro I hope it is!!
@cyberus6860 14 күн бұрын
damn, how did he go from 6.440971856520002e1519 to 31.4k subscribers? he must have posted big cringe
@willosfloppydrive 14 күн бұрын
@@cyberus6860 "wow, 0 views in 3 seconds? must have fallen off"
@JustOrdinaryPao 11 күн бұрын
Wholesome moment on KZfaq? I must be dreaming XD Congrats on the dude for getting so many tho, massive achievement
@digitalsparky 14 күн бұрын
Dialup is the reason LAN parties were so friggin fun :P.
@clabretro 14 күн бұрын
yes!
@BillAnt 13 күн бұрын
Back in the 80's and early 90's dial-up BBS's were all the range. In fact ran a Commodore C64 and Amiga board with single lines ("Mom! Get off the line!!" lol). Ahh the good ol' days (or bad from your perspective). heh
@digitalsparky 13 күн бұрын
@@BillAnt I live in Australia, I was using dialup 'til the early 00s. with a 4 hour session limit, I was making a lot of phone calls... LOL
@BillAnt 12 күн бұрын
@@digitalsparky - Back then we used "phreak codes" for making free long distance and international calls to BBS'es overseas. We were living on the edge dangerously. hehe
@ffwast 11 күн бұрын
@@digitalsparky I was using dialup until the LATE 00s. Makes me appreciate my new fiber line lol
@BAgodmode 14 күн бұрын
The big flex was leaving your away message to show you had broad band. Problem was, my brother liked to do that on our dial up connection.
@rnts08 14 күн бұрын
We used isp+speed prefixes, like [IPNet/10] meant that someone was on the ipnet isp (within same network was usually unmetered) and 10 meant 10Mpbs unlink, everything from Napster, Kazaa, redline and DC++ before torrents took off.
@nickwallette6201 11 күн бұрын
I eventually got a second phone line, and had a RAS manager called DUNCE installed that would detect when the connection dropped, and automatically reconnect. My computer was online 24/7. I would use mIRC's extensive scripting engine as a remote shell so I could access the filesystem through DCC Chat windows, and send/receive files to myself at school on the blazing-fast 128Kbps broadband connection.
@makceg 12 күн бұрын
as a admin of small dial-up isp in 1994 I "invented" a gear with 16 USR Courier v.34 modems without plastic cases which were stacked on 4 thread rods with some plastic spacers and this beast was mounted into standard 19" rack using some drywall tin elements. We had full rack of this, home-brew AC-AC large transformers to power this up, a fans sourced from old mainframe and two linux servers with multiport rs232 cards from Equinox to accept calls and run pppd. Later we put 2511's to replace linux machines built from consumer grade hardware. Was fun time, we offered "unlimited" night plans and all lines were busy, I loved to take night shifts to chat with people on our IRC channel or play something over network
@TerabyteForever 5 күн бұрын
Wow. What a story...
@floodo1 14 күн бұрын
"DONT PICK UP THE PHONE {insert family member} !!!!!!!"
@rwieber79 12 күн бұрын
II met my wife in early 2003 in an AOL chatroom and instant messenger. 21 years later and we're still together and going to celebrate our 20th wedding anniversary in July of this year. I'll never forget how dial-up was and having to make sure everyone stayed off the phone when you wanted on unless you had a separate line which eventually we got.
@clabretro 12 күн бұрын
ha that's awesome! and congratulations!
@KayleeKerin 14 күн бұрын
Topical! I've been setting up a 24 line internal dial-up phone system at the Large Scale Systems museum. We used a Rhino T1 Channel bank, Asterisk, and T1 card to set it all up. Allows us to dial up different BBSs and systems in our second floor personal computer area. Glad to see more dial-up fun in other places!
@clabretro 14 күн бұрын
very cool!
@TravisNewton1 12 күн бұрын
My fun dial-up story is that one day I was tired of having to get off the Internet whenever my mom needed to get on. Since we had a LAN that I built (so me and my dad could use the printer attached to the family computer over the network), one day I got the idea to install a proxy server on the family computer. Then I dialed up into AOL and ran back to my room. I configured my laptop to use the proxy server running on our family computer. I then opened Firefox and wirelessly browsed the web (albeit very painfully slow!) and showed my mom that we could both be online at the same time - just at a MUCH slower speed. And that's why I think modern tech is so boring. There used to be real problems to solve and it was always fun to solve them (or at least attempt to).
@sertralina100mg 14 күн бұрын
I was born in 2002 but was still able to catch the nostalgia about something I didnt even lived??? This tells something about the way you're making content. Keep it up.
@seshpenguin 13 күн бұрын
Same! I have a little tiny bit of nostalgia for dial-up, because I remember when I was very young watching my dad occasionally use dial-up for some work related site VPN stuff (something like that), and a little bit later on messing around with NetZero was very fun as a kid (even though the entire time we had broadband).
@basroos_snafu 14 күн бұрын
The 4 wire telephone line allowed me to have my own number at my parents' house, so I could be online without keeping their line engaged. Those were the days, but I'm also happy they are over. And now, now I want a wife that uses the word "asynchronous". Thanks for the video!
@nealhocker 14 күн бұрын
lol “Hellorld!” UE would be proud
@coreybabcock2023 14 күн бұрын
Seriously I'm literally in tears cause I would do anything to go back to 2001 and redo it all over again
@user-pf9dr2bt6z 13 күн бұрын
I know what you mean, it was amazing !!!!
@DataDashy 10 күн бұрын
You still can 😂 get some retro friends and play ipx games on kali, nothings better 🎉
@HyperDroids 14 күн бұрын
A Saturday upload by clabretro? Oh, today's a good day!
@Gnomesenpai 14 күн бұрын
you need to self host MSN too!
@rnts08 14 күн бұрын
And IRQ
@JesseTheStig 13 күн бұрын
Finally got a chance to sit down today and watch the full video and what an absolutely amazing episode! Between the hardware setup, the software setup/config, trying out different hardware/troubleshooting, setting up your own napster and aim servers and then the special guest of your wife!!! You are by far my favorite channel and I am really enjoying watching you put more and more effort into these videos because your efforts really show! The fit and finish of your videos is spectacular and I love every second of it! Keep at it because I can't wait to see what the future brings!!!!
@clabretro 13 күн бұрын
thank you, that means a lot!
@fredneedle123 14 күн бұрын
I had two phone lines. One for voice calls and one for dial up internet. I couldn't afford an ISDN line, or whatever it was called. When I got my first broadband line, I had one of them USB frog type modems for it. I had to use the main computer like a router for other computers to connect at the same time. It was all very exciting.
@oldschooldude8370 11 күн бұрын
Haven't heard isdn in quite some time. Noone could afford it 😂 It was designed for businesses like t1 or t3. Dsl was what became affordable.
@fredneedle123 11 күн бұрын
@@oldschooldude8370 indeed. Not sure about the speed of ISDN. Probably nothing compared to fibre to the premises. That's got some grunt.
@oldschooldude8370 11 күн бұрын
@@fredneedle123 The isdn you're likely referencing was typically 128kbps. Broadband isdn was fiber instead of twisted pair.
@MatteoSaitta 14 күн бұрын
Fun fact, both 6P4C (the four wire grey cable) and 6P2C (the two wire white cable) are the official RJ11 pinout. 6P4C is used for basic landlines if you want to provide extra power to the phone, otherwise 6P2C is more than enough.
@breadramen 14 күн бұрын
I also grew up on the tail end of dial up, we lived outside of town in a rural area though, too far from CO to get DSL, so we were stuck using 56k until about 2010!! At that point I convinced my parents to get us smartphones with cellular data instead. Wasn't much faster at the time but the ability to be always online was game changing. You hit all the highlights of my memories of dial up, although I was more of a Limewire/MSN kid. Looking forward to future content with this setup!
@nickwallette6201 11 күн бұрын
One of my fondest dial-up memories was when I got my first cable modem. I connected to Napster, found an MP3 I wanted, and started the download. A few seconds later, I hit Play. It had always been an option in the software to play the file while it was downloading, but on dial-up, it wasn't fast enough to keep up with real-time playback. Finally, with my shiny new cable modem, I could. The smile I got on my face when I could actually play a file _while it was downloading_ was so wide it broke through the walls in my bedroom. Second coolest experience was when my older brother came over and saw Windows Update downloading updates for Win ME. Back then, software would tell you what it was doing and how it was coming along, so it had a counter of KB downloaded. My brother watched for a moment, and then asked, kind of incredulously, "... is that 12 MEGABYTES downloaded already?" "Yep." "Wow, that's fast." "Yep."
@BestSpatula 14 күн бұрын
You have saved me so much work. I don't have to do any of the setup or troubleshooting to see this awesome retro stuff.
@Jacobhopkins117 14 күн бұрын
I grew up at the tail end of dial up. I remember having a Windows 98 Toshiba laptop that my grandma gave me and running a 100ft RJ11 cable across the house. We used MSN as our ISP. We thankfully got broadband ~2003. But that was a core memory for me. Great video as always!
@kaitlyn__L 13 күн бұрын
Lucky, I got broadband in 06! I used KZfaq for a year and a bit on dial up… but tbh it wasn’t that different of an experience compared to loading Flash animations/games (on Newgrounds, Explosm, etc) anyway.
@simono.d9469 2 күн бұрын
Thanks for the trip down memory lane! I’m totally with your wife in terms of the instant interaction. As soon as you saw a buddy log in, especially with msn, you knew you were going to have a good night.
@leeterthanyou 14 күн бұрын
1:12 AW YEAAA I still have my Hayes modem! One of the coolest things back in the day was having it set up at home on a little 486 linux machine in my basement and dialing IN from my highschool computer lab to grab my homework.
@matthewnirenberg 14 күн бұрын
WinMX was the go-to for music back in the day!
@lmaoroflcopter 12 күн бұрын
WinMX came later for me, but its support for opennap/napster networks was amazing.
@stan464 12 күн бұрын
Its still alive and kicking too! :)
@powerspec88 14 күн бұрын
First got the internet in 1997 using a 14.4k modem and Windows 95, by 2004, we had a dedicated phone line for the dial-up connection and by 2006 I had a Windows Server 2003 box running the connection and using a proxy software to route the traffic out the ethernet port to my Linksys router in AP mode so I can connect all my devices including my Xbox 360 so I could connect to Xbox Live (I could never play MP games though)! Using NetZero, my connection never dropped unless my power went out. I had a screenshot of showing over 51 days of uptime. I lived 10 minutes to the closest town so dial-up was all I could get till DSL came in 2010 as they setup a R-DSLAM right down the road from my house so I could get 10Mbps Embarq DSL in the middle of nowhere! I now have 8Gbps fiber and getting 20Gbps installed here shortly! 2006 me would NEVER thought these kind of speeds would be for home users!
@kaitlyn__L 13 күн бұрын
Oh, Xbox Live (for text chat etc I presume?) over dial up! I knew a bunch of people who had original Xboxen who just believed Microsoft‘s “does not work without broadband” disclaimer and never got theirs online at all.
@powerspec88 13 күн бұрын
@@kaitlyn__L yep, for chat and achievements! Trying match making in like halo 2 would just keep searching for matches and never find one.
@kaitlyn__L 13 күн бұрын
@@powerspec88 that’s awesome honestly. I wish those pals knew it was possible back in the day lol. Some of them waited until 2006-09 to finally get their Halo cheevs registered lol
@Graham_Rule 11 күн бұрын
I ditched my last Windows 95 laptop (which had a modem) a few weeks ago and yesterday came across one of those SIPURA/Linksys/Cisco units that I'd forgotten about. Then KZfaq recommends this video to me. I must have forgotten to turn off my current laptop's camera. 😊
@jameysummers1577 5 күн бұрын
Thats why we wqent online late at night. everyone was in bed and your one phone line was all yours. My first exposure was BBS in the late 80s early 90s. My gawd...I'm older than most people online. I'm listening to you guys talk and thinking "we had pagers in school".
@b3pp0 14 күн бұрын
My first experience with dailup was with Windows 3.11 and 14.4kb modem.. that was good times
@anidnmeno 14 күн бұрын
i had a performa 6200cd with a 14.4 in it.... took an hour to load my own myspace page
@peppigue 14 күн бұрын
think mine was 3.1 and 28.8, ibm aptiva in 1994. my big regret is not starting my tech journey then, tinkering and trying to figure out what was going on under the hood. only started learning these last four years, back then didn't have anyone around me (nor youtube channels) to spur me on and inspire me
@b3pp0 14 күн бұрын
@@peppigue I had my father repair my computer when i opened it and changing stuff, until he said to me if you open it and tinkering with it you can fix it yourself likewise with installing/reinstalling stuff... and on that way i learned.. :D
@jtpro2572 14 күн бұрын
Time machine! Super retro video! My respect to episode with your wife! True love to people and technologies.
@Montycopa 14 күн бұрын
When our cable company first came out with broadband our first cable modem had a coax connection for download and a phone line connection for upload! Then we got a letter a couple of weeks later to disconnect the phone line, but we did get “the sound” from it when it had to redial.
@argentlupin 7 күн бұрын
Love this retro stuff was born in 1980 and my dad was into computers had a ti-99 which i learned my abc's and 123's before kindergarten. then moved to an xt computer and other better pc's from ega to cga to vga to svga. using dial up for bbs's and early internet like aol, prodigy, and sierra online 3600 buad and earlier then moving up to 14,4 then 56k. getting a sound blaster card and first cd-rom drive 2x speed was big deal cd's had to be put in a reader case like a floppy at first. when i went university in 1999 i had been a little out of the tech loop so i learned then about napster mp3's irc aol chat and icq chat. thanx for the vid and the memories.
@DeathCubeKX 14 күн бұрын
Takes me back to the early 2000s on my Win 98 machine my grandma gave me. Complaining when someone would pickup the phone and making you completely start over on your download, scheduling to download pointless programs overnight, what a blast lol. Always love the "dial-up sound".
@kaitlyn__L 13 күн бұрын
Yeah, me too. I wish I’d known about download managers back before I got broadband 😅
@bw6378 14 күн бұрын
Napster was great, it was a distraction that helped keep Limwire et al. going for a while longer. lol Thanks for the dose of nostalga. Of course you can go even more retro some day with BBS (I even used Sprint Tymnet outdial modems to get to BBS in distant cities). Thanks for the video!
@lukmly013 14 күн бұрын
Soulseek still exists, by the way.
@daaero 6 күн бұрын
We had that 'scarce resource' of a single phone line as well. As soon as I was able to afford it as a kid through odd jobs, we had a second phone line installed. This allowed us to run the connection 24/7. We used a Cisco router, which was exotic for home use at the time to share the connection.
@Blaidomon 14 күн бұрын
Real cool hearing you mention CRD. Big fan of Gravis' work. Hope y'all do something together sometime
@user-fh2fm7vr4m 14 күн бұрын
Awesome video as usual! I have a good understanding of the things happening, but I like including the mentions of what hosts files are and the registry etc for those who may have not encountered. Awesome to see Usagi online!
@SupportSquirrel 14 күн бұрын
lol, my dad used Netzero until 2006 when we got DSL. But I needed internet and wanted my own line in College in case I was away from home. I remember having to run a cable to my parent's room to my room to plug into my COmpaq Win2000 laptop - but I could only use it after 10:30PM when my dad went to bed. Man these videos are nostalgic!
@SproutyPottedPlant 14 күн бұрын
That is awesome! Better than my setup which consisted of 2 modems and a small unbranded PBX with a BT master socket stuck to the top 😅 but them I preferred to play with telephones and answering machines anyway especially old cassette based ones!
@mateuszgierblinski 14 күн бұрын
I surely hope you'll make it big on KZfaq cause your videos are not only entertaining to watch but also make me feel like i'm back in the old days. Thanks!
@clabretro 14 күн бұрын
thanks!
@yukayuyu3844 3 күн бұрын
That was a pleasure to watch. Brought back memories of laying down about 30 meters of RJ11 around the house every few days just to connect and preload some extremely simple flash games and then disconnect so my parents could use the phone, what a pain that was. Extremely expensive as well, billed by a minute AND per some amount of data transferred (hooray for telecom monopolies). But then broadband came in the form of euroDOCSIS over coax - the image of my dad coming back from work with a motorola SurfBoard modem and a 10/100 PCI card is burned deep within my memory - night and day difference compared to 56k.
@UntouchedWagons 14 күн бұрын
Oh man a Cisco 2600. I learned networking on one of those back in high school.
@djtecthreat 14 күн бұрын
Part of the Nostalgia is also it was usually after 8pm (for me) because the phone was free. Back then we had minute plans so parking a PC on the net for hours was expensive. We'd finish up dinner, get a bath, and then get on the internet until bed time (9-930pm). It was an experience.
@rnts08 14 күн бұрын
Ah, the free/cracked internet dialing lists, unlimited minutes, 1-800 numbers saved me from my caretakers wrath around the cost or dialup.
@hw2508 13 күн бұрын
If you knew, you were just reading something, you'd disconnect to save money / minutes. You could receive your mails, disconnect and read them offline. Often there were CDs in magazines with 20 free hours from ISP X or Y. But when an over night download failed, it was disappointing.
@djtecthreat 13 күн бұрын
@hw2508 Back then I had a program called "Get Right" that would allow download pausing and scheduling. It would also drop the connection or shut down the PC when downloads finished.
@hw2508 13 күн бұрын
@@djtecthreat A good download manager was priceless.
@James-hy8gu 3 күн бұрын
That was nostalgic hearing the dial-up. I almost cried
@greenconscious210 13 күн бұрын
FYI, Sipura was the company that Linksys bought the ATA designs from before they themselves were bought by Cisco. Neither Linksys nor Cisco improved the Sipura firmware in any way, they just changed the logo on the top and called it good. That's why the firmware doesn't behave like anything else Cisco or Linksys have ever made. The UniFi controller isn't actually recognizing anything, the SPAs send "SipuraSPA" as their hostname in their DHCP requests
@kaitlyn__L 13 күн бұрын
Do they send the little picture of it too? If not, maybe that’s the part that was the router’s doing.
@Lord_Dillinger 11 күн бұрын
I jumped on AOL with a 14.4 Modem back in the day...reliving the dial tone days via your video, makes me love the high speed we enjoy today! I still have an old HAYES serial modem with a router/switch that can tell it to dial up and share the connection via a network! Let me know if you'd like to try that setup!
@hariranormal5584 12 күн бұрын
This wasn't just configuring Cisco equipment or dial-up. It was much more than that. Thanks. Even though I grew up with 8Mbit Fiber (yeah! back in 2011, wasn't rich, just was in the right place haha) just hearing those voices and the vibes even after recreating them feels so cool. Nostalgia experienced for sure.
@JTrickZ 14 күн бұрын
The guides from all my other Netro youtubers is great! Saw you in a clip on a channel about an in person event as well!
@clabretro 14 күн бұрын
ha awesome! probably VCF East or something?
@JTrickZ 14 күн бұрын
@@clabretro yup that what I believe it was! Kinda wished I had know and was available would have loved to head down to it!
@einarmiger 12 күн бұрын
Thank you! This video was just like a time machine for me ... I was still able to use Napster when it was still free and legal ... since 1996 even with an ISDN dial-up connection with a flatrate before I got an ADSL-line in 2000 with the incredible speed of 768 kb/s …
@alarmingly_good 14 күн бұрын
This weekend has already been pretty good, and now it got even better
@fokthewef 12 күн бұрын
That was thoroughly enjoyable. As an ex ISP tech who got to play around with E1s, T1s, Cisco dial-up configs, modem troubleshooting, customer support, and spending waaay too much money on dialup 😂😂😂😂 you keep bringing back precious memories buddy.. thanks a bunch.. i can see you too liked big butts 😂😂😂
@clabretro 12 күн бұрын
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@smpstech 13 күн бұрын
Your story about why dial up is so nostalgic is very familiar to me. My childhood home did not get high speed internet (FTTN through the power company of all places) until years after I had moved out. A good day was when you could get a 26.4k connection. My parents were divorced, dads house had high speed access, a blazing fast 1.5mbps DSL connection. I had an early smartphone and I figured out how to tether it at my mom's house, I remember staying up all night then playing Fable 3 with my friend over Xbox live.
@damirkvajo 14 күн бұрын
My IM of choice was ICQ and I still remember the UIN number :)
@rnts08 14 күн бұрын
Me too, 5-digit original, 7-digit alt. ;)
@nickwallette6201 11 күн бұрын
@@rnts08 Haha... I had a 6-digit UIN. Still remember that, and my GeoCities URL.
@grabasandwich 10 күн бұрын
My dad got PC's thru his railway union in the early 90s. I think we started with 2400 baud. A couple years later they paid for a separate "fax" line. I used a few BBSes and even went to a meetup at a pizza hut downtown when I was 13 or 14. It gave me a real sense of what kind of people used them. I think we got DSL around 97-99? I don't think we ever had cable internet while I lived at home (til '02) cuz his work must've had a deal with the telco for DSL. I wish I'd learned more about coding or programming and gotten into tech. I envy those who made a lot of money at the time. Thanks
@AlexDawson2020AD 14 күн бұрын
Great video!.. AOL was so fun back in the day !
@subynut 12 күн бұрын
I remember living in rural Idaho and the best my Mom's iMac could do was 9600 baud! I built a Red Hat 4 based 486 with an external 36.6K modem that would consistently get 14.4k and shared the internet connection with my brother's computer over a 10base2 network I setup between our computers. Fun times back then!
@Hahuh378 14 күн бұрын
I remember the tail end/when we migrated from dial up to broadband at my parents. It took us quite a long time to get to faster speeds (Yay for being in the middle of nowhere) and it used to take forever to download or upload anything, definitely don't miss that side of it, but would be fun to get some of my retro gear hooked up to the network in a similar fashion
@DrathVader 14 күн бұрын
Not sure if you thought of it while attempting to install XP on the Thinkpad, but I remember having to switch the SATA controller mode from AHCI to IDE in BIOS, otherwise XP wouldn't install on these Vista-era computers.
@clabretro 14 күн бұрын
yeah unfortunately setting it to compatibility on this machine didn't work for some reason
@MinorLG 13 күн бұрын
I specifically bought one of these ATA router things at Goodwill when I found it one time. I deshelled it, with plans to rack mount
@TheRetroNobody 10 күн бұрын
i tried this with just an ATA and a computer acting as the server. I had no idea using an old cisco router was an option. I think i have a 2500 series. good stuff!
@Retrogameplayer8000 14 күн бұрын
Gotta love the CRD
@DigiD702 11 күн бұрын
ISP worker here, fun fact (with 4-strand RG-11 telephone cable) Some MTA's and ATA's have the option to use lines 1 and 2 on port 1 and (if applicable) lines 3 and 4 on port 3, This is mainly used multi-line POTS phones.
@user-wu4cw5ed5w 14 күн бұрын
In 2006, we had another infuriating pet peeve - a broadband 100mbit connection that was time limited and metered. It blew us!
@kaitlyn__L 13 күн бұрын
Gosh, 100-150 still feels fast to me today. I can’t imagine having that in 06 (since even if you were booted off it after a time, you could download/cache more than enough stuff to keep you going offline. If your computer could keep up I guess). I had “56k” (more like 30k) at the start of the year and got a blistering 128-256k DSL by the autumn.
@hariranormal5584 12 күн бұрын
IIRC in 2006 100Mb was probably the standard connection speeds for ISP's, Datacenters etc to communicate itself for haha. Per port they probably peered via that. Today, 100G is the "boring" standard. Faster is 400G now
@OVERKILL_PINBALL 14 күн бұрын
I love the Nostalgia on this channel Thank you
@stuartykins 13 күн бұрын
Not sure if anyone else has said this, but you can create a small "loopback" connector to plug into the LAN port of the SPA instead of it having to be plugged into your network. That way it tricks the box into thinking it's connected to some kind of network, and it'll allow you to place the calls between one port and the other without having to be wired via ethernet. Only do this once you've got it configured as you need though. My mum is a childminder and I created a very simple setup for kids to play with. It allowed two phones connected with immediate dialling. When one was picked up, it would phone the other. I also powered it by a battery pack, and hid it inside a box, so no mains voltage and the kids could phone each other and speak!
@ToxicKlay 13 күн бұрын
I relate to your specific dial-up stories very deeply - our home had an AOL dial-up connection well into 2008! I had moved out by that point and access to broadband elsewhere, but an overwhelming amount of time was spent browsing the Internet on dial-up! As an aside, I remember buying the platinum edition of F.E.A.R. at CompUSA and wondering why the setup wouldn't launch. My PC only had a CD-ROM drive and FEAR shipped on a DVD. The mid 2000s was such a fun time for computers
@acfrazier 13 күн бұрын
I'm not someone that normally comments on KZfaq, because lol, KZfaq comments, but I gotta say: I've enjoyed watching the growth of your channel, and others like it over the years. You have managed to catch the vibe of "Someone sharing something they are passionate about with online friends, who are also somewhat knowledgeable, but maybe not necessarily as deep in the same niche". It captures the energy of, ironically enough, one side of some IM/IRC conversations I've had over the years. So, I can't help but cheer you on. I caught the tail end of this nostalgia as a middle Millennial. I'm glad folks are making content about this stuff, because retro tech is an expensive (and obscure!) hobby, and as much as I would like to own a lot of different niche things (wouldn't we all?), my wallet can only handle so much pain.
@clabretro 13 күн бұрын
Well I'm glad you commented, thank you! The exact vibe I'm trying for when I sit down to make a video is "how can I convince everyone this is as exciting as I think it is?" -- it's really awesome to hear that's coming across!
@7667neko 12 күн бұрын
Great to see there are more dial-up setups around!
@4rft5 14 күн бұрын
i've been wanting to set up an AIM server for years, this'll be interesting to watch
@clabretro 14 күн бұрын
it was really easy!
@spartansfan1026 13 күн бұрын
I enjoyed the discussion about dial-up nostalgia! My family got our first PC just in time for the 56k era. We had lots of good times exploring a more simple internet in the late '90s and early '00s. Like you, I didn't get a broadband line for years later, not until 2010 in my case, due to living in an area underserved by ISPs. Let me say, you had to be very committed to load webpages and media on 56k in 2010!
@m_rocka 14 күн бұрын
Used dial-up until my early teens, you summed up the experience pretty well.
@user-pf9dr2bt6z 13 күн бұрын
Great video with good info, and you wife seems really cool
@TylerLasagna 14 күн бұрын
great video as always, what a trip down nostalgia lane!
@ayitsyaboi 10 күн бұрын
Seeing AIM took me on a nostalgia trip I wasn't prepared for. I used to spend the summer nights on sites like omegle and always added people on AIM. Being social on the internet was a totally different experience back then. The point your wife makes on asynchronicity is something I haven't thought about, but it definitely rings true. There's also the fact that it's so scattered now, especially in the mobile world. Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook, whatsapp, etc. On desktop it's 99% Discord, which just makes me miss TS3 more than anything. I don't know if it's the nostalgia and fading memories, but I really believe the internet was a more fun experience back then. Not necessarily better, just more intimate and creative. Web 2.0 lacks the more personal feeling that web 1.0 had.
@clabretro 8 күн бұрын
yeah it was so fun to use it again
@cferrarini 11 күн бұрын
I have an old ATA, and its not configured and does not have dial tone, but its phone ports have 48v, so if you plug an rj11 splitter in one port with two phone cables, in it, you can connect 2 modems, and make them connect eachother via terminal, although the line will not ring. if you connect instead 2 old phones in this fashion you will be able to talk with them.
@UpLateGeek 13 күн бұрын
This thing's giving me PTSD flashbacks to when I set up my own dial-up internet service (and later BBS) at home. I could do a full the full 56K speed because I had a fancy digital modem card for my Cisco router, otherwise you can only go up to 33.6K. That whole experience caused me so much frustration that I packed the whole lab up and put it into storage as soon as I got my fix. Then apparently sometime later I pulled the main router out and used it for something else, wiping the config along the way, but it turns out I never took a backup of the config, so all that work has been lost.
@nukfauxsho 14 күн бұрын
We got broadband when i was 13 (2002). Before then, my mom was nice enough to give me the phone line whenever i wanted. My uncle gave me a laptop (first a pentium 1 MMX, then a Pentium 2 with win 2000). I loved it. I was truly "always online" then.
@m1k3e 10 күн бұрын
Awesome video! These ATAs were going on eBay for $20-something dollars the morning this video came out. A few hours later, a lot of the sellers jacked up the prices.
@clabretro 10 күн бұрын
The original seller I bought these from still has them for $18 www.ebay.com/itm/126162564513
@m1k3e 10 күн бұрын
@@clabretro Much appreciated!!
@gothikia 13 күн бұрын
Hell yeah. :) I've been rocking a similar setup with a PAP2T. Nice work! I had no idea that people had started the retro-aim-server project. I'm probably going to start playing with it tonight! :D
@AleksyGrabovski 13 күн бұрын
Nice nostalgic video. I also didn't have good internet back in the early 2000's so me with friends regularly visited local internet cafe to get online.
@AlejandroFerrariMc 13 күн бұрын
I've been addicted to this channel since I found it a few months ago. I love to see what was powering networks when I was growing up, and your general antics 😂😂
@clabretro 12 күн бұрын
haha glad to hear that!
@hariranormal5584 12 күн бұрын
I love those old router led styles. Where it goes down a bit in the edge so you can see it from the other angle aswell.
@taldmd 13 күн бұрын
Great video! triggers some nostalgia and old memories indeed. Regarding to the 4 wire, I remember certain models of DSL routers allowed you to choose between inner or outer pair. At the beginning of DSL, subscribers needed a splitter which separated the lower band (voice) from the higher band (DSL/data), so you could use the two outer wires which were always unused by the phones for your DSL router without running new cables. These splitters were later made obsolete by the microfilters.
@tjmbv8680 13 күн бұрын
Love this channel, it gives me the joy of playing with old enterprise gear without having to store it.
@xXBeefyDjXx 13 күн бұрын
Man, this is such a cool demo of the gear and it's really sweet to hear your nostalgic memories and retrospectives of the days. I was just about old enough to remember the days of AOL Dial-up and MSN Explorer, though I was a MSN Messenger kid right up to the Skype takeover. Tech these days has kinda lost that magic, but it does raise the question, has it? Or are we just getting older and used to such things...
@squeeeb 13 күн бұрын
Nostalgia overload! Great video, and I like that you got your wife to join.
@LB4FH 14 күн бұрын
So cool to see this work 😁 Lovely old sound.
@jkl2136 12 күн бұрын
Thank you for the video, looking to do this myself now!
@williama29 14 күн бұрын
oh dialup is nice I used to use it from 2000-2004 myself with the woes of dialup
@arizonapalms 13 күн бұрын
No kidding, I've had a video planned to set up a Napster server but have never gotten around to it, looked like a major pain! For dial up at home I'm using a few of those Linksys ATA's and a Cisco SPA 8000 + Win2K RRaS server. Was fun to hear you and your wife share some memories from back in the day. I was more of an MSN kid personally and remember putting so much effort into writing a status to try to get someone's attention... simpler times :)
@clabretro 12 күн бұрын
when you get that Napster server going let me know 😆
@arizonapalms 12 күн бұрын
@@clabretro If I do, I'll let you know the IP so you can download my 128kbps Metallica songs and South park movie clips
@AlexZanderMuro 14 күн бұрын
Ive been looking into one of the 16 port modem cards that goes into the big slot on the 2600 for a little while now, but the prices on them were pretty crazy when ive checked so i havent pulled the trigger yet. Awesome to see you actually get it working for dialup!
@clabretro 14 күн бұрын
I was eyeing those too but yeah the prices are nuts!
@rnts08 14 күн бұрын
Problem is, they're still useful in some applications. Disaster recovery, oob, travel...
@nickwallette6201 11 күн бұрын
This is really cool. I have plans to do something similar, and bring up lots of old services that I have fond memories of using. One of those is ICQ -- like, old-skool ICQ, before it got bought and sold a hundred times. Tell ya what, though... ONLY to be run inside a private network. I have done a teensy bit of research into how it worked back when it was a young chat service, and it's _horrifyingly_ insecure. Like WOW. Those were _different times._ PS: The correct introduction on any new chat is: "ASL?" haha
@johnvanwinkle4351 13 күн бұрын
The technology is nostalgic and videos like this is history of the internet. Thanks for making this video!
@rayneradam 13 күн бұрын
Amazing vid, I was more of a ICQ user (still remember the sound) then onto MSN. Awesome mention to my other favourite channel. CRD.
@craigbaarck5446 14 күн бұрын
There was definitely a special feeling about being online back in the dial-up days. Hopping online for 30 minutes or so to sync outlook express and check your fourms to see what new was posted, and if there were "56k warning" posts that you would want to download overnight. I too did not get broadband until I started college in 2006, much time was spent downloading and burning CDs elsewhere to sneakernet back home.
@BestSpatula 14 күн бұрын
Pots was always two wires, tip and ring. The red and green wires are line 1. Yellow and black are line 2.
@toslaw9615 7 сағат бұрын
Thanks for this, great video!
@Soruk42 10 күн бұрын
I acquired one of those Hayes Smartmodems, in fact that same model. I didn't have the original PSU, but I found feeding it 15V AC (as I had a transformer that delivered that) worked just fine. It even worked without issue on the UK telephone system (with an appropriate RJ11 to BT lead). The top pin didn't seem to do anything, but putting 15V AC across the bottom two pins worked for me. Without the proper lead, I just soldered a couple of wires to the pins and connected them to my transformer (step-down from 240V AC).
@clabretro 10 күн бұрын
perfect, thanks
@steamAltech 14 күн бұрын
I just love your videos, its like all of the fun of hardware tinkering, but none of the 6 hours problemsolving :)
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