Why 4k Blu-Ray is DESTROYED by Kaleidescape

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Why 4k Blu-Ray is DESTROYED by Kaleidescape

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@donjaun540 Жыл бұрын

The only way in my opinion kaleidoscope can kill 4k blu-ray is by drastically lowering it's machine price and movie purchase price. I'll keep buying my favorite and super low price good movies on 4k till then.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

Collectors will collect physical media no matter what. But Kscape and similar will have lower prices eventually.

@donjaun540 Жыл бұрын

@@JilesMcCoy I agree. Everything new starts off expensive.

@donjaun540 Жыл бұрын

I like my physical Media because at any point in the future movies can be altered or deleted on kaleidoscape but I still have original on disk.

@jesterscorner879 Жыл бұрын

Agreed, what happens if the company goes under is bought/sold, etc.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

That we dont have an answer to as that its going strong.

@kelownatechkid Жыл бұрын

Kaleidescape is a non-starter to anyone who thinks for more than a handful of seconds. Trusting all your media to expensive digital licensing scheme is just plain dumb when blu-ray discs are easily accessible, resellable, and way less expensive.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@qasimmir7117 3 ай бұрын

And it is questionable whether you would actually notice the difference. Yeah, high bit rate but will notice it?

@hifihometheater Жыл бұрын

You lost me at a "placid seen in a field" takes less data than a "crazy action scene with bullets". We are talking about playing a video file, not rendering graphics like a video game. The amount of movement or bullets in a scene does not determine the data rate needed. This isn't the first time I have heard Andre use this analogy. Faster moving scenes would make compression artifacts more visible though. Maybe that is what he's talking about? I would like to see real screenshots comparing the superior Kaleidescape image to the inferior 4K blurry. they can even be close up. Something other than bitrate and file size numbers because those numbers alone without showing the image difference don't really sell Kaleidescape to me.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

@larsv6144 Жыл бұрын

If they would come down to more reasonable prices, it might be true. But price/quality wise 4K discs are the normal budget people’s choice.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

I firmly believe prices will go down.

@davidrindt3131 10 ай бұрын

@@JilesMcCoyFaith? If prices go down, then it is also entirely possible that K-scape could bankrupt, no?

@JilesMcCoy 10 ай бұрын

@@davidrindt3131 No. Becuase they would choose to lower prices. They won’t do that if it creates risk.

@Djekkie-gj7jz Жыл бұрын

Kaleidescape is much, much, much to expensive. The difference is nowhere near so great as to justify the price difference. I also like to have my own physical media in hand. In addition, I can look at different stores and pick out the offers. This video was more like an advertorial.

@donjaun540 Жыл бұрын

I totally agree. The ten thousand dollar difference between it and a blu-ray player is enough for me to say no way. I'll buy my discs and put them on all by myself and save an insane amount of money. I've heard them talk about 8k and that format needing larger storage area. I don't think it will make a night and day difference, unless you have a huge TV or projector screen. I'll keep buying my favorite 4k movies especially when on sale. Ten to twenty dollar 4k movies 🍿 anyone ❓☺️🤑

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

I doubt 8k will ever be mainstream. Companies are already dropping out of making 4k players. Kaleidescape or a future competitor is likely to be the only real place 8k could be viable but I doubt they do it either. Give it 10 or 15 years and Kaleidescape style players will be the mainstream for serious cinephiles.

@FrankieKennethL Жыл бұрын

I know it helps with clicks and yada yada…..but DESTROYS is simply hyperbolic. Kscape is great. It’s a fantastic system. But I wish people didn’t try to insult our intelligence. Saying DESTROYS makes it sound like it’s a nigh and day difference in a/v. And sorry Jiles…..it ISNT.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

It is night and day better in the movie watching experience. Such a HUGE change.

@FrankieKennethL Жыл бұрын

@@JilesMcCoy Haha. You’re funny Jiles. Ferrari Testarosa vs Toyota Camry is night and day; Disney vs County Fair is night and day; French South Riviera vs Texas South Coast is night and day; KScape vs 4K is not and while I love the KScape and would love to have one some day, I wouldn’t do so thinking I’ve made a phenomena upgrade. I would simply be making a more convenient one.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

@@FrankieKennethL It is that big of a difference for me. Not simply in the quality, but in the complete experience. Night and day.

@Donydarco 7 ай бұрын

I feel like you are just justifying your purchase of your expensive kaleidoscape. I mean Kaleidoscape doesn’t even have dolby vision lmao.

@mr.pangetako Ай бұрын

⁠@@JilesMcCoy Is this true? Kaleidoscope has no Dolby Vision? You need to answer this.

@Noble3781 Жыл бұрын

My issue is the whole reason I collect physical media in the first place, having a movie sit in your collection being able to go up pick out that movie and put a disc in a player is an amazing feeling. Take a limited edition 4K box set for example the Texas chainsaw massacre, where you get a booklet, nice art work maybe so other goodies, bonus discs with documentaries. And over time you build a collection that you can then show to people and look through yourself. No one cares to look at a file, as far as your average Joe is concerned it looks like streaming, I collect 4K blu rays because I love physical media and this shall never compete with that feeling it’s soulless.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

Thats similar to why people collect vinyl. And why I collect books. There are technically better ways to consume content... but if you like to collect then physical media will be the thing!

@Donydarco 7 ай бұрын

I wouldn't say better. I think physical media is a better way to consume content because it is something that you can always rely on. No need for having to worry if the internet is bad or goes down.

@miz4535 Жыл бұрын

No it isn't. Nothing that costs that much is destroys anything. So, on the one hand iTunes is so similar to 4k Blu Ray despite drastically lower bitrates (especially for sound), but Kaleidescape is so much better than 4k despite the bitrates not being that different. Sure. Lmao what a clown also. Lawrence of Arabia on 4k is on two discs.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

The quality difference is just one aspect. That isn’t likely to be the reason people buy Kaleidescape solely. It’s the way it changes the movie watching experience that is so compelling.

@DriveupLife22 Жыл бұрын

I laughed when this guy used Lawrence of Arabia as an example. Does he not know Sony split the 4k release across 2 discs to maximize quality?

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

I need to watch this movie one day.

@IronCondorSimulations 9 ай бұрын

Many people forget that K Scape shut down as a company and left many owners in the dark. I love my K Scape system, but I still collect the physical media. Why? Well any day they can shut down again. I will always own that media. I have many Blu Ray players around the house that can be used for decades to come. K Scape has kept their price for hardware inflated for a long time. It will never come down for the masses. It has been like this for decades.

@JilesMcCoy 6 ай бұрын

Keep your eyes open.

@B-Edwards499 Жыл бұрын

Lawrence of Arabia's split across two disc. A BD-100 & BD-66 making it file size on physical media 166GB.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

👏

@SlyNine Жыл бұрын

We have to fit it in a reasonable bit rate. We make it visually lossless... Yea, and so does blu-ray, guy really irritates me. Don't use the term lossless if you can't restore the video bit for bit.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

@paulupton5557 Жыл бұрын

All of this is fine until this system goes Kaput!!

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

Hoping it will be around till the next thing comes along.

@brucecarter6205 Жыл бұрын

There is no doubt that this is the future. Now we just need some competitors in the space to drive down prices. Kaleidescape is taking advantage of the fact that they are the only game in town. Bottom line, 4K UHD disc is basically the same quality, but with disc players that cost magnitudes less. I’m not counting out owning one eventually. That being said, I’m at least a couple big purchases away from owning one. I would probably invest in a Trinnov before ever considering a Kaleidescape. End of the day, Kaleidescape remains a toy for the wealthiest of enthusiasts.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

I agree that competition would be wonderful!

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

If you are buying a Trinnov you are absolutely buying a Kaleidescape. That’s like peanut butter and jelly.

@brucecarter6205 Жыл бұрын

@@JilesMcCoy Perhaps. 4K UHD disc offers a comparable experience to Kaleidescape in my view, albeit without the same level of convenience. There is really nothing else out there that does what the Trinnov can do. The Trinnov platform is upgradable and they provide excellent support for their product. I don’t have the same confidence in Kaleidescape’s platform and support for their product. It goes without saying, you should be getting lifetime warranty and support with both of these products - along with a very generous upgrade program.

@stonesfan285 Жыл бұрын

I would not recommend buying one of these. Yes the quality may be better, but it's ungodly expensive.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

Is it just the cost that’s the issue?

@stonesfan285 Ай бұрын

@@JilesMcCoy For me, it is mainly the cost. I prefer to buy 4Ks via Vudu these days. I just find the prices to be better, I already have equipment that can play it. I don't have to worry about movies skipping or being defective. The limiting factor with 4K Blu-ray for me was price. I no longer have a 4K Blu-ray player (it took a crap) and a new player is over $300. I went back with standard Blu-rays for my favorites and for everything else I'll just buy a Vudu copy.

@Usagi2380 Жыл бұрын

Nah 4K Blu-Ray's are the best Physical media will always win

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

Right on!

@squared80 Жыл бұрын

It doesn't destroy it. There are SOME movies that may transmit more data through Kaleidescape, but if you're buying one to get 'better audio/video' than a 4K disc, you're going to be massively disappointed. If you're getting one for a convenient and good looking interface, more power to you. This is nothing but a deceiving sales video. Unfollow.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

It absolutely destroys it as a full package. You buy it to transform the way you watch movies. It’s bigger than the sum of its parts. Extra follow.

@bassage13 9 ай бұрын

@@JilesMcCoyShill.

@JilesMcCoy 9 ай бұрын

@@bassage13 I wish!

@johntullio745 Жыл бұрын

Until you can access Kscape world wide it will never take over disc format. I’m in Australia and can’t access it, why can’t it be available everywhere?

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

I agree this is a big issue.

@Zachary_Dale Жыл бұрын

If 4K blu ray ever dies, this is the route I'll go. Streaming quality is horrendous compared to UHD.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

I agree, it doesn’t keep up.

@SlyNine Жыл бұрын

What the peak bit-rate, he pivoted hard when he brought it up. He talks about average, but the example he used would be more about peak-bit rate to indicate better quality.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comments and watching!

@missing1102 Жыл бұрын

Some of us are using mad vr with 4k disc on our PC. I am not missing anything becaue there is no compression. This company is not getting anything different than the 4k disc data.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

It does get more than just the 4k disc data. But that is just 1 reason to watch movies with this tool.

@TheLeftistOwl 8 ай бұрын

It's not gonna kill 4K blu ray if you have to buy into their ecosystem. Just let me buy the movie, download it to my NAS and move on. Ripping Blu rays and building a NAS will be significantly less expensive

@JilesMcCoy 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@stonesfan285 Ай бұрын

Yeah but the movie companies are terrified of piracy and they don't want you to have total control over the copy.

@TheLeftistOwl Ай бұрын

@@stonesfan285 which is exactly my point. The people this is marketed to already don't like that companies control their access to media and if you're already capitulating to their way of distributing that media, you've lost already

@johndough8115 11 ай бұрын

The main issue here, is lack of Digital Rights. If a server goes down for good... you lose all access to your Media. If you stored your movies on a hard drive, and that drive fails, you lose it all. All of that money, down the Drain. Furthermore... If you rely on Digital... any company, at any time, can choose to Yank the movie, and or CHANGE that movie. We dont want our movies Changed, for the worse... due to the ever changing "Political Correctness" states. So, unless you have Ooodles of cash to burn... and do not mind when some "Woke" Radicals drastically destroy (or just Ban/Delete) your beloved films... Feel free to buy into this scheme / scam. Ohh, I forgot to add in, that it likely wont be long before your "Social Credit" score determines whether or not you are "Good Enough", to have the Privlidge of being able to watch the movies that you purchased... and or, how many hours you have allotted per day/month/year. Make the wrong comment / opinion... and "POOF" ...there goes your entire Library. Physical Media, needs to stay King, for as long as possible.

@JilesMcCoy 11 ай бұрын

On the flip side, if you house is destroyed you lose all your physical media permanently. We can all make up outlandish scenarios.

@johndough8115 11 ай бұрын

@@JilesMcCoy The chances of a house fire, are completely different from a Hard drive failure. I worked in Tech, and let me tell you... Ive dealt with TONS of bad Hard Drives. Both from clients, and drives that failed on ME. Furthermore, companies shutting down their Servers, HAS HAPPENED MANY TIMES ALREADY !!! Customers that paid for Legal licenses, were left with ZIP, when the company Vanished from Existence. These are NOT "Outlandish Scenarios" at all.

@JilesMcCoy 11 ай бұрын

I'll disagree. Kaleidescape is here for the long haul. The "They will go out of business" argument isn't valid. Well... its as valid as the house fire argument is :-) Obviously hard drives will fail. Everything fails eventually. But that is not impactful other than as a temporary issue while repairs are made. There are only 2 legitimate knocks on K-Scape. Cost. If its too much for someone then its just too much for someone.... And the collector aspect. If you want to collect physical media and have boxes then KScape was never for you anyway. You are also conflating steaming services with Kaleidescape too. They don;t work the same way with access to content.

@johndough8115 11 ай бұрын

@@JilesMcCoy There was a company that was getting the rights to Arcade game roms. They were selling the rights to them, to people whom wanted to use them, to play these games on their PCs... The prices were fair, as far as I recall... and a bunch of people bought into it. I never trusted it... and rightly so... because maybe a year in, and they closed up shop. The so called "rights" to the Media, only really exist with the original copyright holder. Once the Middle-Man company vanished... Pretty sure all of their so called "Legal Rights" vanished along with the company. And of course, if you lost your data (roms), then they are gone for good. This isnt the first Company to vanish, and it wont be the last. No company is immune to bankruptcy.

@johndough8115 11 ай бұрын

@@JilesMcCoy Im going to finish with: Dont cry when they drastically Alter or Delete the content that you purchased. Also, Id never heard of this company, until this video. Its your money to burn though, so enjoy. Most of us cant afford it to begin with, and, we again, prefer physical discs, that cant easily be destroyed / altered / removed.

@m.dorado6966 Жыл бұрын

The only thing this system does is destroy my pocketbook. No thanks, I'm good.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

Gotta upgrade to a 4k display!

@Professor5180 11 ай бұрын

Could 4k disc media easily overcome this by just having dual-layer 4k discs or using several discs for really large movies? They should start putting the highest quality uncompressed version on as many discs as it needs. Kinda like the old laserdisc days.

@JilesMcCoy 11 ай бұрын

You could over come this with multiple discs, or developing a new disc tech with higher capacity. There are issues with both of those approaches though.

@Old-School-Liberal Жыл бұрын

What’s your point??? Majority of people can’t afford it and have better things to spend money on.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

For those looking for the best this is the way is probably the overall point.

@jdog8701 11 ай бұрын

lol no its not at least not yet. Price is ridiculous for what it gives currently

@JilesMcCoy 11 ай бұрын

Price is the big knock on the product. I am confident price on this tech will go down and then things really will change!

@we8463 Жыл бұрын

Great commercial! Unfortunately Zapitti is not available in the US

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

I got mine in the US…

@milescoburn1845 Жыл бұрын

This sounds like another streaming service. Am I wrong?

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

It doesn’t stream. It plays a file similar to how a disc player plays a file.

@milescoburn1845 Жыл бұрын

So, where does the file come from?

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

@@milescoburn1845 It downloads (as opposed to streams - they are distinctly different methods of delivering information) from Kaleidescape.

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

That file then lives on the local Kaleidescape server. Much like a file resides on a dvd / blu ray disc.

@dannydonatodeluzio Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jiles!

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

You are welcome!!!

@JohnFristoe-um5fh Жыл бұрын

Peddling fiction

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

Any tech sufficiently advanced will look like magic to some ;)

@danielveldheer4043 Жыл бұрын

4K disc are far superior. This guy's completely wrong. 4k disc can do up to 128 bits per second. Not the 40 to 50 that he's claiming. 4K disc will average between 90 and 128 bits per second. This is far superior then kscape. Also 4K disc can do HDR10+ and dolby vision. Again, the 4K disc are superior. Also a good player can tone map. Which is very essential for projectors. And a good player will have superior audio components. Most of these are made to play SACDs and DVD audio. In no way possible can a kscape. Produce the picture quality of a good 4K player. It's impossible. You have higher bit rate Dolby vision or HDR 10+ and the ability tone map. This is a clear winner for 4K disc.

@HomeCinemaJunkie Жыл бұрын

This! Mr Floyd sounds like an ignorant sales guy when he mentions 50mbit/sek for a 4k disc....

@HomeCinemaJunkie Жыл бұрын

This! Mr Floyd sounds like an ignorant sales guy when he mentions 50mbit/sek for a 4k disc....

@HomeCinemaJunkie Жыл бұрын

This! Mr Floyd sounds like an ignorant sales guy when he mentions 50mbit/sek for a 4k disc....

@HomeCinemaJunkie Жыл бұрын

This! Mr Floyd sounds like an ignorant sales guy when he mentions 50mbit/sek for a 4k disc....

@JilesMcCoy Жыл бұрын

What audio components are you using in a 4k player exactly?