I have a 2020 ATASes since new, with 21,000kms now. DCT is actually something I wouldn't change now for slaying highways and fire/forestry roads for multi-week trips. This from a dirt rider of forty years, who loves third peddling my Z06 and Boss. DCT makes life so easy and enjoyable, but I don't tight single track this bike in my Rockies. Electronic suspension was the biggest surprise? It's always valved to my riding conditions (dirt, gravel,tarmac), or weight (panniers, and or pillion), at the toggle of a switch. Makes this bike great in most any conditions, and easier/ more comfortable and painless in seconds. Literally! I can get 450+ km per tank, and Google map directions through my Cardo headset. Phone calls patched through bike or send call commands on the fly. This is a touring bike that will go offroad! Put put some good tires on it first. Mitas E07's or similar, makes it twice as good in handling, and extremely compliant over mountain passes, and through BC forests. It's been extremely reliable, like Honda's tend to be. It wasn't cheap, but the value was definitely delivered in this bike! Three of us own them, and joked last summer, "if stolen, we'd be headed to Honda for another that day". And we have plenty of toys. Just can't live without an AT once you get one! Cheers, from Canada 🇨🇦

I’ve decided to go with the AT, but you’d be surprised how hard a base non-DCT is to find

Maybe I’m a bit of a outlier myself. These are the only 2 adventure bikes I’m interested in. I love my Africa Twin Adventure Sports. Damn both these bikes are so good looking.

Once you find an actual T7 for sale, the price will be exactly the same as a base AT. Dealer markups put a T7 at out the door for $14K. For that realistic price, the AT wins all day every day. You can find a 2016-2018 used AT for under $10K if you look far enough. I bought a 2017 AT DCT with 3K miles for $8500. Best bike decision I ever made. And yest, the DCT is great in all situations, especially solo offroad.

I have recently come off a 2020 Tenere 700 on to a 2022 Africa Twin with 40/60 on/off road riding - From an owners perspective this is a superbly balanced review that is scarily close to reality. Excellent job with the video production, presentation, content and view point - New subscriber for sure....

I owned a 2017 AT and couldn't get used to the soft suspension, brake dive, vague cornering and sold the bike pretty quickly. I regretted selling it because in spite of it's flaws it was a lot of fun to ride. I recently bought a 2020 AT standard version and for the 99% street riding that I do the 2020 is better than the 2017 in almost every way; better suspension, more powerful and punchy engine, and cruise control. I didn't think I wanted all the tech but I actually enjoy learning how to use it and seeing what it can do. The AT and T7 are both good bikes and I would like to have both.

I went with the ATAS DCT. After 7k miles in six months, I’m in love! Grave roads, state routes, interstates. Some back roads.

Great reviews! When I was looking last year, a Yamaha dealer called and said they had one for $15k. I literally laughed and hung up. A few months later I found the AT base for the same price with 84 miles on it and a bunch of accessories. I had no choice! The bike is a the best do-it-ll bike that I have. Great on long trips, twisty roads, fast double track. Haven't single tracked but it really rides like a big dirt bike off road. I will this summer. Its heavy in the parking lot and when you drop it haha but it rides much lighter. I think you do need to be a higher level off road rider to get the full potential out of it but when you do its insane.

T7 is the best bang for buck adv bike out there. Africa Twin is better but more expensive

You just said it mate. Any single bike can travel the world 🌍. What is the best bike to travel? The one in your garage. You just need to be passionate, be perseverant, and love the adventure. A woman from the Netherlands proof that. Taking a 300 L from Ecuador to Sierra Leone as we speak. If you got the money for a GS, go get it. If not, well, there is a lot of options for a good price. Take care and enjoy your ride.

simple, reliable and very capable T7

still have a 17 AT and love it, love the simplicity, decent motor, no fuss, no problems

Great contrast between two Iconic bikes, well done.

New subscriber here and I appreciate your thoughts on both of these bikes, I just purchased a 20/20 Africa twin after coming off an old Triumph tiger this thing feels like a dirt bike lol about 100 lb lighter. I'll agree that the electronics are somewhat confusing but they really do make a difference once you figure out what it is you need and how much of it. One of the things I absolutely love about this bike is the available accessories that are essentially Plug and Play

Loved this! Comparing a new YT 700 to a 2019 Africa Twin. Thanks for the help!

-T7's power may seem limited stock, but with full exhaust, snorkel removal, larger airbox top, and ecu flash it rips. More than enough power. -Not sure what you mean by the T7 not being the best gearbox to rip the twistys. Super slick with Amsoil and having been broken in for a few thousands of miles. It's so fun on paved twisty back roads. The only reason I'd get an AT is if I wanted to blast on the highway at 85+ for a couple hours at a time, not that the T7 won't do it. I'd like to have both personally. Maybe pick up a used 2016.

Love this type of comparison

Thanks Cobber , great round up of two terrific bikes , onya

Thanks for the video, I was looking for something like this. How does the 1100 AT compare to the 1000L AT, and how does that compare to the Tenere? From my understanding there isn’t a huge difference between the 1100 and the 1000L, is that right? Thanks.

My understanding is that the Africa Twins displacement increase in 2020 was because of Euro 5 requirements. It was easier to bump it up to tweak requirements. Don’t quote me on that though. I would go T7 if you want cheaper up front cost and less things that can go wrong. That said you can add 5 years of Honda warranty to the AT if you buy it within its first year from its sell date. Shop around online and I’ve seen that warranty for as cheap as 700 dollars. Finally the AT does have some advantages that get overlooked. It has on paper performance numbers between the KTM 890 and 1290. The key point though is that Honda isn’t pushing for max power like KTM. Instead they made a larger engine and tuned it down so that it can run 87 regular gas. You’ll be very hard pressed to find another motorcycle in the class that can do that. Maybe Royal Enfield? Not sure. Also they’re the only option for an automatic transmission if you have medical issues or don’t care about your buddies teasing you. Finally I would add that they’re manufactured in Japan, whereas KTM is outsourcing a lot of their units to China, and even BMW is getting their 850 power plant front china.

Would like to ask whether the comment regarding the "difficulty" of the CRF's 1100 ergonomics while descending (or other demanding situations), stands also for the CRF 1000. How do the the CRFs (1000 vs 1100) compare in regards with which is more preferable for the average rider in off road situations ???

Loved the way you angled this non direct comparison! Tell me does the Aprilia Touareg 660 fit right in between both these superb bikes, giving us the best of both worlds when most of us can only justify owning one motorcycle?? Regards David 👍

I have a ATASes DCT and love it 21,000 kms and Honda reliable. No single track monster, but does everything else well. I day trip, and mult week your off it. Wicked range for big Western Canada, and comfort off and on road, with electronic suspension. DCT makes the miles easier, and rarely miss a clutch for this style bike. Never ever thought I'd enjoy the scooter fashion this much. I've muscle memorized the controls, and love Andriod auto via Cardo link. So many positives on this bike. I'd like to ride a BMW one day, just to compare. No BMW dealers with 800kms, so wouldn't change my purchase anyway.

You can look all you want if you are honest about it the africa twin is the ultimate all rounder for anything you want to do.

Thank you! That's all I needed to hear. :)

Great review Just go fast forward to around 12min

Awesome comparison. I have a 2020 standard AT went one tooth smaller on front sprocket which I felt helped with the gearing problem (that I agree with you on) rode the NMBDR and only stalled it once. My biggest complaint is with all the compression or engine braking and it feels the throttle is very ON/OFF at low RPM which makes it harder to be smooth and kind of tiring. Has anyone tried to fix this? maybe reflash the ECU or something can you recommend anything for that? 2nd biggest complaint is the suspension at 180lbs I feel the rear spring is too soft and after riding a Tiger 800 XCA the forks dont feel so great either I would like to get some work done on both.. But I do love the bike. If I had the extra $$ I would like to own a T7 too though

I have a 2017 twin done 50.000 miles changed rear shock to an ohlins at 12.000 brilliant up grade fork seal blew at 45.000 so had k tech harder springs 7.1 I think. and thier compression adjusters fitted and a service and they feel brilliant its like a better then new bike and has bin done over the 6.5 years of owning it . Poss buy an old africa spend a bit on suspension and poss have a cheaper better bike for ya money.

did they fix the forks on the AT from the previous gen? I had two 2017 models and both had terrible fork stiction at only 3000 miles due to internal wearing . On the second one, fork seal blew at around 10k miles. I am just an average 55-year old rider. Wasn't doing any motocross or hero stuff.

Based off you response to your thoughts on which bike to choose I would ask this. Would you pick the T7 or a 2016 africa twin? Used africa twin price wise will be similar and since it's simplicity compared to the new ones makes it more comparable to the T7. Comparison are only for the newest models which is unrealistic cause those are not the only choices.

I guess I don't agree with the underlying argument here that bikes are compared mostly relative to displacement. There are lots of other factors to consider when comparing adventure bikes - weight, travel, ease of maintenance, reliability, availability of parts, the terrain and others. Power isn't everything! One bike might excel one a certain ride and another might on a different trip.

Can't believe my Tenere 700 has been left unridden for 6 months now . Lots of reasons for it but I have get back on the horse and get familiar with it again . I remember in Feb 2020 I was at the dealership where I had bought my DR65O and was about to go to another dealer to put a deposit on the Tenere 700 and out comes a sales manager with a quote on a 2019 Africa Twin with DCT . I sat on it and was very impressed with how much more comfortable it felt than the DR650 plus just duck walking it it didn't feel 500 something lbs . 14 grand he dropped it to but I stuck to my guns , I was thinking the Tenere was a probably a better step up for me at that time . Fast forward to June this summer and I got to test the Tenere out up around Lake Tahoe and boy did I have a blast . With the Motoz Tractionator ADV tires it just went anywhere I felt I could handle and I am a beginner offroad rider for sure , do me lots of mountain biking some dirt biking and quad rips in various terrain but soon I will need to get more skills developed so an offroad rider training course is something I better do . Thanks for the video and inspiring me to get that bike out there again sooner than later !

After a lot of research and watching videos of Pol Tarres, I choose the T7. I just have find one now.

Nice review. Just the information i was looking for. Africa Twin is what i have narrowed it down to. Just looking for a good deal on a low mileage 2020+.

I want both. lol. I’m going to sell my drz. I need something good bigger. I think the t7 is more practical for most things I do. Fire roads, commute, explore. But the twin would be cool if I want to carry more luggage or the Gf. It would also be better for long rides from state to state. I have a fantasy of riding a ton of canyons and highway miles to different national parks. I just worry that the t7 is too small for that. I’ve had supersport bikes, dirt bikes, and dual sports. I’ve ridden a 1290, 1090. Those are sweet but I don’t trust them. I’ll stick with the Japanese bikes. Any suggestions? I have off and on experience since 2004. I’m also 6’1 230lbs. I should be down to 220 by the time I purchase.

Loving the video up to 12 minutes but uhhhhhh does anyone else see the AT dash saying 118°??? My dude that is way to damn hot to be testing bikes! At least for me up in the PNW, but I ride in nonstop rain so I guess it’s just what you are used to 👍

Nice approach here!

I own AT and my vote T7

Well said! I still love my 2017 CRF1000L for exactly the reasons you said.

If Honda would make the African twin with out all those electronic components. There would be no competition in the market. Everyone I know in the motorcycle world would buy one. That my friend would be like a T7 on a superior level. If they really wanted to blow the market out off this world they have the ability. Some day some one will and all those fancy bike are going to stay in there show room.

It's like u want to ride and enjoy or getting into too much over thinking with modes. I have Himalayan I can ride on motorway in nz at 100km which is legal speed and I can do much more off road without thinking about damaging my bike. If I buy expensive motorcycle I can never enjoy what I do. Next bike once I get my full license will be tenere ❤

The rear turn signals on these bikes tell the story....

Well...Africa Twin because those are actually available. I've yet to see a Tenere 700 on a showroom floor.

Most accurate comparison of T7 and AT. I rode both and the choice is AT - suspension and gearing on T7 is not up to my expectations.

I seem to always be looking at bikes in 2 different “categories” always find it amusing that most act like no one is trying to decide between an 890 Adventure R, Husky 701, and a 1250GS

I wish they would give the AR maybe 20 more HP and adjust the gearing just slightly. If they did that. I'd buy one.

So what about comparing the small Africa Twin with the KTM 890 adv? I thing that’s an interesting comparison in terms of price and actual performance

Nice! Someone that can push the potential of T7.

I have a CRF300L Rally and want both the AT and T7, but for different reasons as they are different bikes. The AT is better suited for touring and places like Big Bend State Park with really rough roads with loose rocks. Would also be a superior commuter with its size and technology features. The T7 is basically a bare bones big bore dirt bike you can ride to the trail or single track riding area and then ride home. Albeit less comfortably than the AT. Hoping to get an AT next year and will wait on a T7 until the market cools off for those. They are selling for the same price used as the AT is new at around $14k.

Love the concept of "getting in the outliers!" Don't forget the Norden, VStrom and others of the world when walking this talk ...

Choice was simple for me. Can't find a Yamaha anywhere. It is like they quit making bikes about 5 years ago. Honda is everywhere. I got the ATAS, and will probably get a Transalp in a few years to replace the old KLR.

both 🎉

The Tenere 700 Feels like what everyone wanted from a Kawasaki KLR , and the Africa Twin Feels like a Big brother of Tenere 700 with the ability to compete with European brand's in terms of Value for Money but not in terms of Status Symbol like Big KTM's .

Which one would you recommend for the Trans American Trail

18/19 model has not got an IMU. It has rider modes including one custom user mode. Its a much better bike than the 1st gen. Theres a CVT in every manual motorcycle, clutch modulation. The AT has enough torque to chug along at low revs in any gear anyway.

Hello to the motorbike community. I have a question for anyone with the knowledge and experience. I am contemplating buying a brand new ADV this spring. I basically have it narrowed it down to 2 options. Option A) 2023 Honda Africa Twin Super Adventure Manual. Like the style and look, I am concerned about the continual maintenance on the chain. It is not uncommon for me to jump on my current bike and put ~500 km's on it in a day on the weekend (311 miles). I am also concerned about the comfort, both in the seat and wind protection. I read lots of information and people love them and of course people will gripe as well and for good reason, experience on the bike. Everyone is different. Is this bike going to be comfortable enough for a few very long days in the saddle from time to time? Although we all get off our bikes every 2-3 hours to fuel on a long trip, still good to have really good comfort when needed. Is this bike the one to have if a person gets an upholsterer to redo the seat to your butt contours? Will that make it an awesome long haul machine? Option B) 2023 Yamaha Super Tenene 1200. I understand this bike is boring (perhaps compared to some of the competition) but with that come great all day comfort in the saddle and super easy maintenance and reliability. Maybe not as much fun as some of the competition, but my current bike also has shaft drive and has had zero issues in 13 years of ownership. So maybe I don't want to give up reliability and low maintenance? Also, perhaps the Tenere is reaching it's last year of production, what happens if they do this year and I want to own the bike for 10+ years? This bike that I buy will be a long long time purchase and possibly my last bike (maybe not), but as we get older we look for more comfort. The riding I will do is 80-90% on the pavement and 10-20% gravel and fire roads. HOWEVER, I live an hour away from the mountains and perhaps with an ADV, that ratio will switch to less highway and more gravel/fire roads..........we'll see, the ADV could open a whole new chapter in my riding. The Honda would be a no brainer, but does the Yamaha do the same job with a little less fun factor? Would love feedback from all people that have/had either or both bikes and let me know based on your experience and knowledge. Thank you!

Still don’t know which one I want aaaaaa😊

I like your point of view....

Good Perspective!

There's apples to apples, and then there's honey crisps to honey crisps. That's all yall are doing...... Viva la difference......for most people an AT and a BMW 1200 are gonna accomplish exactly the same thing in the long run. For AT vs Tenere, it depends on what you want to do with it. (I think you make that case!)

Africa Twin negative: Tall gearing. Do you think having the DCT would alleviate this problem? (since no low speed clutch control is required / you can't stall it) To me, for the touring side of adventure riding, the electronic cruise control and Android Auto are the tipping points / game changers. I'm not sure how the seat comfort / wind protection compare though?

Do what I done I just took the abs ring off the rear wheel and it turns all that off then u just use full power and everything off , yes it makes the engine light comes on but I know my bike so dnt care and now I can ride it out bush like a dirt bike

Traction control on a bike 🤣 can I have a spot of tea🤣

I'm just not sure of the parameters of these bikes, in this video. I'm stumped as to why anyone would buy a GS1250, unless they just wanted to ride in extremely modest conditions, with zero truly hard or technical sections. The 'middleweight' market seems to be where the real adventure bikes live, but they're suffocated by some macho requirement that any adventure bike MUST have huge displacement. How many of us actually genuinely ride these bikes around the world? Middle weight is more than enough for the grand majority of people. They're just brainwashed into thinking that they need more.

The more useful parts of this video are your comments about engine behavior and how they are to ride.. quoting bikes history and stats is telling us something we already know

If you love pressing buttons and like to watch your plastics explode when you lay it down get the African lol just sold mine

Yamaha has a super tenere 1200cc never been on it but I'd think it would be to big I like the lower cc 350cc up to 700cc they are much more capable in camping trails a lot easier to throw around even the klr 650 if you put the work into it and buy the right parts it will have the pep of a 2 stroke witch I really think Yamaha had it right when they made the 2 stroke oil injection dual sport in the late 80,s why they stop making them is beyond me they just had to let it catch on I'm so trying to buy one in a 350 or higher I had a 1987 Dt125 red and white it was more then enough for backroads and city's a 250cc or 350cc would do highways no problem. Also Yamaha should bring back red and white or black and red

Built in traction control....... Code for low HP & trq, fat tire & over geared.... Especially when you say you can't lift a wheel@altitude

The T7 needs to be put on a diet relocate the fuel delivery better suspension, so simple Yamaha so simple to do, JUST DO IT! I mean Aprilia just smoked your butts with the 660 T . Don't tell me you can't build it lighter and better for the same price. The lighter weight will make it feel more powerful. 80hp is plenty. One thing the Japanese don't get is they need to build the so called adventure motorcycle to carry 250 to 300 pounds rider or riders and gear, tents camping gear, extra fuel, drones etc. Honda screwed up with the CRF 300 Rally way to soft junk suspension. Press over hyped the T7 IMO

Every ones Need is different... For my applications the AT is a Better Road Bike given its Weight, Range and fuel capacity.... At age 66 im not looking to blow down a single track the way I did in my 30s ahahaha I do however need the reliability and want to explore a dirt road now and then to capture that once in a life time VIEW... I HATE that HONDA put all that ELECTRONIC CRAP on the AT... The T700 is a WIN in that Dept.

After the seeker series of mini movies, it's difficult to say that the T7 can't do the things you've said, when it clearly can, the caveat being you have to be a great rider. I love the AT , non DCT base spec but with a decent exhaust is a great bike.

The T7 is over rated getting people to fall over each other to get a bad deal. And why not compare it to the Aprilia Tuareg 660? A used, base Africa Twin 1000 is very tempting, considering.

Damn, who does not love motorcycle reviews filmed in the office? 🗿

You fluffed the crap out of that intro, just compare the two damn bikes and get over yourself lol The word pontificating comes to mind

YAMAHA ❤

1100cc is not giving up 300cc to the ktm 1290 wouldn't that be 1400cc at that point ?

Actually a bike test?? I'll get a magazine or Google the specs

But how far can I jump it

If I wanted to mess with settings to try and make me a better rider and have a color screen in front of me all day, I would stay home and play my XBOX. I don't want that, so that's why I bought a T7, I can out ride most other riders with all the gimmicks bikes with as well.

This guy may save this channel!

Всё же разные моты

Too much talking!!

1290cc-1100cc=190 cc not 300 CC

I thought Honda was supposed to come out with a smaller displacement AT??? I love the looks and the great performance reviews of the KTMs but, damn, they seem to have reliability problems.

The tenere gear box is as good if not better than honda , very smooth ,as for the buid quality the honda is not 5 grand better i own both bikes and the yamaha is a better bike ,

If they were just making adventure bike with a chef Drive. A Honda African twin shaft drive would really be a smart investment for Honda Powersports

Idk I love my dr650

How does one do a review from a studio!? No don't share a link to your website. Static content belongs in a website, a video needs some riding.

KING'S

I don't understand why people don't compare the Yamaha super Tenere????

AT❤

African twin 100 # Too much ! Would LOVE BOTH! Bought Yamaha tenere ! VERY HAPPY!

COMPARISON TEST ????? After 12 minutes of specs , I'm turning this off.

both are very good. how much you want pay?

Sorry guys but you can’t compare King with prince! Everyone knows that the AT is the king!!!

africa twin was best 16/17 after that its gs crap sold my got t7 ftw road allover the cuntry on t7 perfect for evrything

No contesr AT easy.

1290cc - 1100cc is still 300cc :D sure...

How can someone talk for days months years I'm just waiting for him to say that the tires are black etc

Some people want Capable not a mode that you become useless when it fails. FCN the amount of talking, You could have been at Starcucks talking about how comfortable your GS is sipping on a soy latte.