I’m in Australia. If I cough up and(very unlikely win) can my cousin have it in the uk?

Fan from Canada can I technically win the new type r ?

All new golf r vs a45s

ACDC front man?

Casually beating the absolute bag out of both cars while chatting like he's in my livingroom. Dude can wheel.

@@gamby16a It's Jason Plato. Dude can indeed wheel.

@@CarambleTV Ah! It's been awhile since I've watched 5th Gear and the facial hair and hat threw me. I recognize his voice now that I rewatched. Beastly driving.

Agreed 🔥🔥🔥

and technically 1990 is still the 80s.

¿What technology exactly? probably the times are explained for stiffer suspension in the Civic and softer and bigger tires.

@@llavero5 not just stiffer suspension, also reactive suspension, along with more advanced differentials, more powerful engine, faster revving too, better traction control, breaking. A lot of factors.

@@badass6300 Active suspension (not reactive) is practically useless in track. Differencial dont changed, powerful engine is not about tech, faster reving too. NSX was a city supercar, so you dont want revs fall very fast with gear changes, but is easy put a lighter flywheel, remember NSX use titanium conrods for rev faster. Better traction control yes, but usually is bad for track and is disconected, and not better braking, rear engine is always better for brake. Like i said stiffer suspension + bigger softer tires and a little more power/torque make the difference, its easy make a NSX faster with little changes.

rwd vs modern fwd

lol you must be blind

@@The_Animal_Man no its just JDM bias which is fine cause everybody has opinions, but how the "car guy" thing works is take these quotes "i like this (older cheaper car) WAY more than i like this (new expensive car), and if you like the newer more expensive car then youre wrong and not a real car guy" and then add some comments about poor reliability and defamation about the other brand youre comparing your favorite japanese car too and boom, youre a real fanboy now.

@@Garf2O Why so butthurt? OP didn't even mention a single thing about you being wrong for liking the Laferrari, he just stated that he likes the looks of the NSX more than the Ferrari which is completely fine because looks are purely subjective

I think the first generation is a great looking car, but I hate the facelift. I think the original is a better looking car than a LaFerrari too (which is not a pretty car IMO). It's a simple and timeless design.

@@mrebear9758 LoL even old Ferrari like the Testarossa,F40 look timeless than new Ferrari nowadays

I've seen a lot of people saying the R mode is too firm, the thing the Type R misses out on is a custom mode where you can pick the setting you want, Steering, suspension, throttle response like the German Hot hatches offer. I can't imagine it's anything more than a software update so I don't understand why Honda haven't done it (unless they are going to add it on the new 2022 Type R as a "new" feature)

@@Monkiimagic Hyundai has figured it out on their N. With you on Honda having it on their '22 CTR

@@stevethomas760 Yeah, I had a feeling that the 2022 CTR would have it, hopefully Honda can offer the same features to the existing FK8 CTR as a software upgrade.

Might be because the guys at Combe have one as their track Marshall car and they just took delivery of a new white FK8 replacement. Honda have a partnership with them.

@@CarambleTV not sure how that has any bearing on the performance of the Type R 🤔

@@Synysterjmz I was just suggesting that *might* be the vehicle at Combe that they saw, and the driver would be very familiar with the track as they are based there. Just a very exciting observation when I was working there.

You need a type R suspension setup and sway bar under it and you'll beat the shit out of this new age civic.. :D I did.

And some modern rubber!

and a small turbo.

@@staysikth well the nsx is using a Michelin PS4S tho. But with better brakes and suspension I'm sure the time can improve drastically

@@jo7375 Yep, the rubber on both is decent. PS4S on the NSX and Conti Sport Contact on the CTR.

@@staysikth The first thing I did was look at the rubber. It has PS4S which is pretty much the best street/track tire available today.

I guess you could dial down the mode for the civic making it much more comfortable and I bet it would still be quicker

As an owner of fk8 nah. The civic is so much fun and so practicals a lot of space.

Church.

I can get more stuff in mine than i can in my van :)

@@DRsx4 well I would hope a $100,000 + car beats a $40,000 car.

@@RelaxAndSmokeMeth yeah, they kinda missed and dulled the point

Exactly! It would be really interesting to se a comparison between different modes. And maybe over three laps or so to see fatigue when subjected to that horrible stiffness.

Fk8 is just better.

@@RelaxAndSmokeMeth Depends entirely on how one defines better. Faster is but one metric. The FK8 is harsher, more bloated and with significantly less feel and controllability on the limit. As Jason noted in the video the suspension on that setting is daftly harsh and even then doesn't control the damping particularly well. He also notes the back end is too tied down which affects how the car rotates.

@@MrGrentch "how one defines better": This test was 100% a race so faster=better "The FK8 is harsher": In this specific setting which is not the only one. "more bloated": No, it is not. Did you miss the part where the FK8 is lighter than the NSX? While having all the seats, airbags, modern equipment etc.? The gutted NSX Type-R would have been a hair lighter than the FK8 but that's not what they tested here. "significantly less feel and controllability on the limit": As "proven" by the fact the FK8 runs circles around the NSX on every track, i.e. in the conditions where cars are driven um... on the limit, right? I'm sure "less feel and controllability" contributes to it being faster. /s "the suspension on that setting is daftly harsh": It's not the only setting though, is it? "even then doesn't control the damping particularly well": You must have missed Jason saying it controls the damping TOO well, i.e. is overdamped in this specific setting. Which, again, Is. Not. The. Only. Setting. "the back end is too tied down": If it bothers you, play with tyre pressures and suspension settings or take the wing off for tight and twisty tracks. Guaranteed you'll be wanting it back for proper fast tracks. That being said, even with that trait, on this track, it walked over the NSX. The NSX is a fantastic classic and was a technological marvel in its time. As a track car in 2021 the FK8 is just better.

NSX-R NA2 is the best Honda ever.

@@bananowyjestemsobie _more bloated": No, it is not. Did you miss the part where the FK8 is lighter than the NSX? While having all the seats, airbags, modern equipment etc.? The gutted NSX Type-R would have been a hair lighter than the FK8 but that's not what they tested here_ The Civic R is heavier than other Civics in the range. There was a time not so long ago that the R Honda's followed Chapman's dictum of adding lightness. About the first thing the engineers did was to take the base model and put it on a diet. In that regard it is more bloated, but cars have become increasingly so. EV's are going to be worse on that score. _significantly less feel and controllability on the limit": As "proven" by the fact the FK8 runs circles around the NSX on every track, i.e. in the conditions where cars are driven um... on the limit, right? I'm sure "less feel and controllability" contributes to it being faster_ What makes it faster is more power and less weight with more grip. Nada to do with road feel and controllability. There's a bit of confusion between grip and handling. The former has come on in leaps and bounds in the interim between the two cars, the latter and especially road feel has definitely suffered. Controls tend to be more numb and/or heavy with virtual feedback and the increasing daftness of fake engine sounds. _You must have missed Jason saying it controls the damping TOO well, i.e. is overdamped in this specific setting_ Otherwise known as not controlling the damping. Don't get me wrong I think the FK8 is a great car in a lot of ways and a great example of how to do FWD in today's market, but it has its faults too.

Pretty decent - Pilot Sport 4's. Conti Sport Contact on the CTR.

Me either. Second gen NSX-R that made in 2002 to december 2005 has really high precision C32B engine. As you may know it's 290hp according to the brochure and same type of engine as coupe, typeS and typeT but only TypeR has actually over 310hp and wider torque band than the others. Most impressive point is 4.5seconds to 100km/h.

Still would win.

@@RelaxAndSmokeMeth yes the NA2-R would win, it’s 1 second faster than the FK8 in Tsukuba. 1:04.xx vs 1:05.xx

@@respirotyper929 thanks for the correction!

@@respirotyper929 I'd put that down to track conditions and driver tbh

@@jaaxc1036 I agree, it is that close.

Nevermind, 0:58 shows the NSX had Michelin Pilot Sport 4. I think the biggest thing holding the car back was braking. Throw a Stoptech BBK on it and redo the test :)

@@Zygrene PS4S vs. SportContact6 (OE tire for CTR assumption based on brand). In theory that's a slight TW advantage to the Civic, but those are imaginary so it's really probably a wash. Even pads on the NSX will go a looooong way to make it stop better esp over a short session, but in all honesty, probably not a 3+ second difference.

It's quite interesting the likely reason why - In Japan in the 90's there used to be a 'Gentleman's agreement' on horsepower output between the manufacturers. It's why there was so many turbocharged cars like the Supra and Skyline that on paper had low power output but in reality could produce much, much more. The limit was around 280HP and this agreement ended around 2005. The same thing happened with Japanese motorbikes and a 300k limit on speed which was set by the Honda Blackbird but then beaten by the 'busa.

@@CarambleTV Honda XXSB achieved 285 kmh. Still the fastest bike in 1996,before the Busa period

That was a supercar from 20yrs ago, N/A engine with no turbos in sight so still impressive. The Type R against a modern day supercar like a Porsche gt3, the results will be different.

@@koolkat969 type r is like 35-40k gt3 is like 200k with options

@@averagebro413 Erm....we're talking old supercar against new hot Hatch here otherwise the test could have been something like old hot Hatch from 20yrs ago against new hot hatch. My point was in keeping to the theme of this test between a supercar and a hot Hatch and trying to put things in context!

@@koolkat969 I think the point of the commenter went over your head, he was saying that the fact that it out-performs a 100K legendary car today, and a 100K 'supercar' of the past, its worth buying it, as its 30K, and a bargain from that prospective.

@@ViolentMLG And when did I say in my comment that it wasn't worth buying? Any small performance turbo hatched car these days has the potential of out-performing a supercar of the past so I'm not getting carried away by what the FK8 did on track. I've personally tested both the Fk2 and FK8 with the intention of buying also and I'm a big Honda fan also currently with an S2k and DC2 so let's not get it twisted.

That would have been nice. 3 seconds is alot to make up though.

Why bother? Car technology has advanced so much that even if the NSX Type R was slightly quicker than the fk8, it would still show a modern hot hatch is just as quick.

@@PugGTi-vo2lg Yup, very true

pop ups all the way!

Pop up headlights are worth extra cool 😎

weighs less more torque more power but slower to 60mph ?

@@Funktastico It's the FWD layout.

@@Funktastico type r struggles a lot for traction in first gear. Once it hooks it’s pretty quick

The NSX is on new tires, Michelin Pilot Sport 4s tires.

I'm surprised they didn't

They're worth ridiculous money and are so damn rare here. That nsx is a honda press fleet car - at least it was at one point if not now

the engine in Type-R is almost the same as the standard one. It’s suspension and “adding lightness” which differentiates Type-R from standard Nsx.

@@JeremiBulakowski Second gen NSX-R that made in 2002 to december 2005 has really high precision C32B engine. As you may know it's 290hp according to the brochure and same type of engine as coupe, typeS and typeT but only TypeR has actually over 310hp and wider torque band than the others. Most impressive point is 4.5seconds to 100km/h.

Hate the modern Honda styling , they used to be pretty cars .

Are you serious? The EK9 is nice, but it’s too slow.

@@respirotyper929 Maybe this is the case but on a tight twisty race track the lack of torque and lighter chassis would help the ek9. Obviously it will lose but by how much ?

@@bigmac69yall I think it would lose by a lot. On tight corners I would rather see it against a FD2.

@@bigmac69yall 10secs easily

Me too, since I was 3.5 Years old

@@Shane-zx4ps yeah wasn't released when i was 3.5

Just kidding I was 19 when they came out and I’ve loved them from day one, had a chance in 1995 to buy one for 25 grand and was tempted but I had to put a deposit on a house,

@@Shane-zx4ps Life does get in the way. A few years ago I was talking to my brother about the NSX. "Get some of that retirement money out and buy one", I did.

@@stevethomas760 fair play to you dude, what colour and what year car did you buy, I’m fucking Mac jealous...