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Same, altho I lived there from before '97 handover until recently when the real blight was the attempted color revolution in 2019, pushed & organized with the heavy support of the US CIA-NED and brainwashing of some clueless youth. Western media of course never told the truth that it was a US-sponsored revolution that failed, rather than a supposedly grassroots uprising by the majority of local (which it was NOT) - SHAME on us. Thankfully, the wise Taiwan people voted OUT the US-puppet govt in Taiwan 3 weeks ago in favor of a more China-friendly gov't and the old status quo, in the biggest landslide election in Asian history.

In a way we British never dreamed of much less attempted. Wow - that's some claim. Any specifics you can think of? I've lived in HK - permanently - since 1989 and am not sure what you're alluding to exactly. I've seen grand infrastructure plans hatched in 1997 - for example Kai tak redevelopment - that a succession of CE's kicked the can down the road on before they finally settled on the white elephant cruise terminal. Truthfully I've seen very little progress on anything from affordable housing to levelling up while Singapore in the same time frame has done so much. Just a huge lack of imagination and successive reactive not proactive CE's. But then you'll probably tell me that the 1 million plus people on the streets in 2019 were doing so in a mass show of satisfaction. Or were they actually really happy but corrupted by foreign forces 🙄 Also your final point that this documentary is skewed ( which it clearly is since it's Chinese state media propoganda) and yet "fair to both sides" makes literally no sense.

@@willsmith39 Well I live in Singapore now after HK previously. HK is rather complex. Sg is simple as it thrives because overall it's a benevolent-authoritarian govt't and a market-oriented country mostly free of US and British rule and interference, unlike before when Sg was a dirt poor colony, exploited, and primarily a malaria hellhole attached to a strategically-located port. It's accurate to say that literally 98% of Singaporean citizens (but not residents which include many foreigners) strongly objected to the HK "protesters" and the obvious foreign interference. Similar opinions in Macao and in chinese Malaysia. That's according to a number of NST polls at the time and consistent with my empirical observations. I think the root of the HK problem is both the greed of the top tier and the corruption that continues from the days of British rule, which btw was appalling, corrupt, and simply racist too. The difference is that in Sg, a strongman autocrat cleaned out and eliminated corruption and installed severe anti-corruption laws that continue to this day and are vigorously enforced. That wouldn't have happened if the foreign angmoh had remained in control. So the bottom line is that HK will require time to similarly improve with a long way to go, but it's positioned on the right path now, and I along with most here in Sg support HK. As an expert in finance, I expect China will gradually become the global financial capital sometime in the 2030s as the West continues to decline, and that's both an opportunity and challenge for HK (and Shanghai ofc), advantageously situated in the Pearl Delta, one of the very most vibrant & dynamic regions in the world. I do hope that you and yours do see it come to be, contribute & participate, enjoy and benefit from it. For me and my family, there's probably no going back to my home country, as sadly I'm done with it, barring an unlikely total turnabout. A possible return to HK eventually seems to have more long-term potential. Good luck, HK!😃

@@davidrichards1741 98 percent. Wow, I hadn't realised the Singaporeans were that homogenous in thought, sheep like almost, you certainly paint them as living up to their unflattering stereotype. Fortunately, it's utter nonsense as is the stereotype of course. I too have spent chunks of time in Singapore and have many good friends who've lived there for decades and while of course as individuals their views differ and are nuanced, none of them expressed the blanket disdain for the protesters you attribute to them. Lee Hsien Loong was honest enough to admit, in what I thought at the time were actually very thoughtful and balanced remarks, that Singapore could just as easily find itself in the same position if government appeared tone deaf and disinterested in dealing with people's legitimate concerns. He didn't, as I recall certainly, attempt to blame it all on the CCP fall back of invisible nefarious foreign forces, which of course robs Hong Kong people of having any agency or ability to think for themselves. The 'argument' that the million plus people that took to our streets on successive broiling Sundays in summer of 2019 did so not out of long simmering anger over government failings with the extradition bill being the last straw, but because we'd all been corrupted by these malign 'foreign forces' and were acting on the great Satan's Imperialist instructions 🙄 Yeah, that must have been it. As for the racist corrupt hell hole that Hong Kong supposedly was before the glorious motherland took over and put us on the right track, it seems again that local people don't see it that way at all. From cab drivers I talk to to wet market vendors you'll actually hear people say pretty much the opposite, that in fact they prefer how things were before the handover. Poll after poll has borne that out, although even asking people this question post NSL may be seditious ( it's always "may") with the result that I don't expect to see too many polls on this going forwards. I mean the pace at which rule of law and civil liberties has been eroded post impositions of the NSL has taken even me by surprise. Its incredibly depressing and sad to see what's happened to this once vibrant city. Its interesting how in this revisionist history of Hong Kong's story by Wumaos such as yourself and the various white monkey shills that have paid KZfaq channels, that how Hong Kong came to be is never addressed. That the engine for its growth was the millions that came here in late 50's to early 70's to escape the absolute horrors that were unfolding on the mainland with the cultural Revolution and great leap forward. 100's of thousands came with litteraly nothing but the shirts on their backs, some even swimming, so desperate were they to get away. My wife's family are actually one such group, one of many many of course. But that's not something you guys seem terribly keen to talk about in your rewriting of Hong Kong history. Just as in your celebration of Shenzhen's incredible development a couple years ago, Xi seemed to forget about who actually funded it, where the money and entrepreneurs initially came from, when he made his speech. Funny that eh mate ? 🙄

@@davidrichards1741 I want to make one further point. I generally try to refrain from ad hominems and so wouldn't use the term Wumao or talk about shills / 50 cent army unless I think that person I'm debating with isn't genuine. Which unfortunately in the comments section of a CGTN video is going to be a lot of people. I found this out in the past when talking to people that as the discussion wore on it became obvious wasn't a discussion/ debate at all, I was interacting with someone that was here to do a job. They had no interest in a genuine discussion. I don't like the term Wumao unless it's warranted, since I have myself been branded that by some correspondents to RTHK when I was writing letters to denounce the violence perpetrated by a small number of extremists and also the targeting of mainlanders /mainland businesses, again by a small minority of idiots who didn't reflect the views of the million I myself peacefully marched with. So I don't like the term, but I'm sorry to say that it's hard when I read your post that refers to 98 percent of Singaporeans supposedly being against the protesters, and you put the word in inverted commas to suggest we were something other than that, to believe you are here as genuine debater. Especially you then go on to describe Hong Kong pre handover as "corrupt" when in fact by every metric since the late 1960's with root and branch reform of the police and the introduction of the ICAC Hong Kong has been one of the most transparent, least corrupt major cities in the world for a good 50 years now. And I'm sorry to say contrast that with the mainland where corruption to this day is still absolutely rife, from building regs scandals, to tainted food, to environmental debacles, to Sino (no 🙄) forest and Lukin coffee to bribery and corruption at every level of local government. Yes Xi Jingpin made this his number one issue when he came to power, and arguably he has made some major improvements, but it's still a huge problem to this day and of course many people find it curious that none of the elites that are staunch Xi loyalists have ever been found to be corrupt whereas every single political threat to him ( until every last one was purged) was found to be dirty. Statistically as a "finance expert" how likely does that scenario seem to you? And it's not Hong Kong mothers that were flocking to the mainland to buy safe baby products because the widespread knock offs in food and consumer good finally reached the level of fake baby formula. You want to talk about supposedly corrupt Hong Kong when mainland greed and corruption had reached the point of babies being poisoned en masse. Sorry but a pro CCP shill calling HK corrupt is like a Donald Trump supporter calling you a bigot.

like joshua lol

what do you like most ?

I left HK as my primary residence before the handover, but I still spend a lot of time there. You seem to understand what few do. Sadly, true even within Hong Kong itself--people don't really understand the cause of their frustration. The root of Hong Kong's problems is that its housing supply has been strangled by the outdated land supply model and the big developers, with insufficient subsidised options. Hong Kong needs a healthy supply of public housing to balance out the private market because unlike 99.9% of other major cities on this planet, Hong Kong has a strange situation of closed borders and no territory to expand outwards. The only other similar city I can think of is Singapore, and they keep a lid on the housing market with a robust public (HDB) supply. The other problem is the obsolescence of the port industry. As China has grown its own shipping ports and goods become increasingly virtual, Hong Kong's share of milk has long been dwindling and the city has struggled to find growth industries.

cooperation beats dictating

In SG they speak Singlish not English. In Shenzhen they speak Mandarin and Cantonese. Lion-rock mentality of the people of HK, SAR of the PRC.

I hope HKers will continue to use Chinese as their first language. It's part of their culture. It's not difficult to be bilingual or multilingual if children get the right education at an early age.

Why should HK speak Mandarin ? It is a Cantonese city. This is another issue as well.. even though in this video.. is showed Mr Fok... who was actually genuine Hans Chinese.. but now.. some of the people in Shenzen.. is not even Hans Chinese? They are and can be Mongolian-Chinese as well ? Even though Canton province.. classically was actually Cantonese speaking.. and even Cantonese is being lost as well. So you are asking some of the people here... to speak a language that is not part of their ancestral tongue ? Never mind this part... then you also have actually... other Singaporeans.. that were actually Cantonese...and they have ran off ?.... It was the Fuijianese, wasn't it ? The various... groups of people... I realised why actually... so many kids in HK turns to gangs.. cos they are not even connected to society. Very dis-engaged....

wht not stick to cantonese ?

Actually HK has pretty much the highest per capita death rate for covid in the world in 2022. It was an absolute disaster. We've yet to see how it's going to look as unvaccinated mainland china finally is forced because of economic necessity finally to open up - but so far despite the usual media black out it's not looking good. Taiwan has done well yes.

Yeah who can forget all the suffering during colonial times when almost 2m starving HK people fled with just the shirts on their backs to enjoy the riches of food and standard of living Mao's China had to offer. HK people couldn't get to the mainland fast enough to enjoy the cultural Revolution and great leap forward. It was an absolute exodus from Hong Kong 🤣🤣🤣 Mate by the late 80's HK's 7m people produced fully 25 percent of the Gdp of all of China - over a billion people. Stop lying.

Will Smith is a western paid troll.

@@elainelee2491 Lol. That's an amusing spin Elaine but sadly since expressing an opinion isnt a crime in The West there's no market for a Western 50 cent army.

@@willsmith39 no spin? You're definitely spinning it and you're doing it very well. Keep On believing your own lies and live in your little fantasy world. Where is Julian Assange and Edward snowden?

@@elainelee2491 Yeah you're whattaboutisms are pretty weak. Especially since you only know about aberrations like that because Western media exposed and condemn. And continue to do so. The exception that proves the rule. In China where your media works for the state to suppress and cover up every crime by the government there is literally no way to find out what's actually going on except via brave whistleblowers. To answer your question specifically we know exactly where Snowden and Assange are and both are very much alive. In China we'd never even get to know their names and they'd have been dead a long time ago. Where is Beijing 'bannerman' from a month ago? Will he get due process under the law ( with your 99.7 percent conviction rate) Will we be hearing from him and his legal team shortly? Will Chinese media be condemning his abduction? 🤣🤣🤣 It must be exhausting being such a boot licker.

Absolutely. That's why 2m HK people in the 60 and 70's risked life and limb, some even swimming, to reach safety and prosperity on the booming mainland. 🙄🙄 Or was is the other way around? Because that would be a very inconvenient truth wouldn't it Wumao? Seriously - do you think if you just lie loud enough and long enough you'll be able to change history? Good luck with that

thats dumb

who cares about the motherland, be loyal to karl marx lol

Do you get money per word or per line of the standard script you work in. "6000 year history" is where I always take a shot in the Wumao diatribe. Needless to say my liver is destroyed 🤣 As an American living in China 👍😂. But let's say you genuinely are, you know just for fun. The point is you can say all this bs then go back to America and absolutely nothing will happen to you. Not an issue at all, no one cares. Now imagine a Chinese person doing this. As a mainland Chinese living in New York I want to tell you that the CCP are behind the protests in Washington etc etc. How's that going to play for you and your family when you go back to China? All good ? 🤣🤣🤣

any evidence ?

are you sure you can just go the border and sell stuff lol

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@@obiwan5781 Did you get your 50 cents ? You've been a good boy

Don't lie Endian. With your logic, the whole of India doesn't exist. It was created by the British. Free Northeast India, Free South India, Free North Himalayan region of India!

王德發！

LOL british endia smelling nose

Your grammar sucks. The correct word is "its", but you used the contraction meaning "it is". Similarly, India should not poke its nose into the large areas of Muslims that it occupies, terrorizing and degrading the people there.

@David Richards Endia speaks Inglish and still serves its post-colonial overlord