Honore de Balzac: Where Not To Start

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Bookish

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Күн бұрын

Books to avoid when starting to read Balzac and some books that I think make a better starting place.

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@RoadReads
@RoadReads 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting for you to do the Balzac edition of this series! Thank you, Brian!!
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Good luck with your Tolstoy reading.
@michaelmoore6481
@michaelmoore6481 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Brian for an interesting video, I am now tempted to try Balzac next year . Hope you and your family have an enjoyable Christmas and New Year. Kind regards.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Michael. I hope you will give Balzac a shot. Happy Christmas and New Year to you and yours.
@pasolero
@pasolero Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this... exactly what I needed to hear. Cheers!!
@ProseAndPetticoats
@ProseAndPetticoats Жыл бұрын
I started with Sarrasine. Loved it so much that I'm planning on reading all his novels. I fell in love with his writing style. Next one is Le lys dans la vallée. Amazing video, thank you!
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan Жыл бұрын
The great thing about Balzac is that there is so much to read. I have not read either of the two titles you mentioned, but I did just finish listening to _Gobseck_ as an audiobook. It was my first audiobook of Bazac and I think I am going to stick to reading physical copies or e-books of his work from now on. An essential part of the experience was missing.
@ProseAndPetticoats
@ProseAndPetticoats Жыл бұрын
@@BookishTexan I also wouldn't listen to it in audiobook form, now that I know his writing style. I think I'd miss too much. :)
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan Жыл бұрын
@@ProseAndPetticoats Exactly.
@MsReadsAlot
@MsReadsAlot 2 жыл бұрын
There are 3 Balzac novels on my list! Pere goriot is one of them. Fantastic!! Very helpful ☺️
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 жыл бұрын
Huzzah! I hope you will enjoy it.
@SpringboardThought
@SpringboardThought 2 жыл бұрын
This is so good, Brian! Such a helpful framing and very astute. And valuable, for me, since I haven’t read Balzac. Only until the last few years have I wanted to pick up any classics. Millennial contrarian fever had me for decades, I guess.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Fraser. When I first started reading Balzac one of the things I liked was how much more direct his writing is than that of many other 19th Century writers
@cito2820
@cito2820 7 ай бұрын
haha 'Millennial contrarian fever' thats a good one. I'm glad you've begun to pick up the classics! I think they're classic for a reason, and that everyone should read both classic and contemporary literature, at least a little of each if they prefer one or the other!
@travelthroughstories
@travelthroughstories 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, Brian! I've been meaning to check out Balzac for years - this video is so useful.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sean (Shawn?). I hope you will like which ever title you choose to read.
@travelthroughstories
@travelthroughstories 2 жыл бұрын
@@BookishTexan I spell my name "Sean," yes. Have a nice holiday!
@bookwhimsy
@bookwhimsy 2 жыл бұрын
I am so glad I didn't start with the wrong ones but now I really want to read Père Goriot.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 жыл бұрын
Haha! _Pere Goriot_ has a little bit of everything great about Balzac I think.
@joeharris3297
@joeharris3297 2 жыл бұрын
Ironically i started balzac with the wild ass’s skin. Saw on Wikipedia it was the last book freud read before his assisted suicide so i thought id give it a shot. It felt a bit extended at certain parts and rushed in others (especially the last 1/3 of the book) but I really enjoyed it and it got me hooked on Balzac. I will say it is a bit different than Balzac’s other works with the supernatural element but I think it has its own merit and was one of the more memorable books of Balzac that I read and I definitely will re-read it at some point in the future. I should note that I read the oxford classics edition, which had many pages of notes in the back.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you are hooked on Balzac. I think _The Wild Asses Skin_ is just not for me. Probably because it is so different. Thank you for your comment.
@thebluedan
@thebluedan Жыл бұрын
That book is amazing. I read it straight through. So intense.
@phoenixzappa7366
@phoenixzappa7366 7 ай бұрын
Honorary ballsack
@seriela
@seriela 2 жыл бұрын
I also had to read "Papá Goriot" in Spanish. Don't remember a thing. I hauled a few Balzac ever since Cousin Pons, which I enjoyed. Thanks for the guidance.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Alba. Hope you are able to spend time with family this Holiday season.
@MishelleLexi
@MishelleLexi 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't really explored a lot of French classics yet, I really want to try out Balzac, Hugo, Zola and Dumas. I like that it seems like the French write a lot about class struggles.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 жыл бұрын
I think you are right about the French and class struggles. I read abridged versions of Hugo and Dumas in high school, but I need to go back.
@thevulgareclectic
@thevulgareclectic Жыл бұрын
I'm reading Eugénie Grandet right now and so far really enjoying it. I've only ever read Per Goriot by him before. What do you think of some of his French contemporaries, or near contemporaries? I enjoy Maupassant’s work a lot, both his short stories and his novels. I just noticed that he was born about two weeks before Balzac died.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan Жыл бұрын
I have never read Maupassant though I have a book of his short stories. I hope to get to them soon. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@adamhasideas6813
@adamhasideas6813 Жыл бұрын
I did start with Pere Goriot and really enjoyed it. Looking forward to reading more Balzac in the future. Have you read Catherine de Medici? I like history and thought it would be interesting to hear Balzac's take on Catherine, but from the review I looked at on Goodreads, it is hard to tell if the book really is about Catherine or if it is about other things? Also, what did you think of Ursula Mirouet? Thanks for your insights Brian!
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan Жыл бұрын
I have not read Catherine de Medici. I wish I had. Sorry. Thanks for the kind words Adam.
@CourtneyFerriter
@CourtneyFerriter 2 жыл бұрын
Finally, the Balzac edition! Based on the three books you described for where to start, I think I am leaning toward The Black Sheep.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 жыл бұрын
I really like that one and even for a Balzac novel no one ever seems to talk about it.
@dqan7372
@dqan7372 2 жыл бұрын
Started Goriot a few nights ago. Instantly drawn in. "Unknown Masterpiece" does sound interesting.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 жыл бұрын
That I s exactly what happened to me with _Old Goriot_ . _The Unknown Masterpiece_ is good, weird and not typical, but good.
@scallydandlingaboutthebook2711
@scallydandlingaboutthebook2711 2 жыл бұрын
I love this series even when it is about an author I have already started.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Roz.
@bouquinsbooks
@bouquinsbooks 2 жыл бұрын
I was force-fed Old Goriot in college and did not like it at all. I didn’t touch Balzac for 20 years. Last year, I decided to give him another try. I read Eugenie Grandet and loved it. Then Colonel Chabert (loved it), and An Old Maid (an unmarried woman as an object of ridicule, not my cup of tea). I will read some more, and may even give another chance to Goriot.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry you didn’t like _Old Goriot_ but glad you liked the others. I usually alternate between recommending _ The Black Sheep_ and _Eugenie Grandet_
@malloryanderson724
@malloryanderson724 Жыл бұрын
The first book I read by Balzac was the NYRB edition of selected stories from 'The Human Comedy.' As a Chekhov fan, it was the perfect way to start reading through his oeuvre.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan Жыл бұрын
I will have to look for that NYRB collection. Thanks for the suggestion.
@Wafflelover344
@Wafflelover344 10 ай бұрын
I wish you talked about some of short stories too like A Passion in the Desert. The line about what the desert is like has stuck with me until now
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 10 ай бұрын
The truth is that when I made this I hadn’t read any of Balzac’s short stories and even now I haven’t read many. I have read a few of his shorter novels/novelas
@anotherbibliophilereads
@anotherbibliophilereads 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve read a few Balzac: Old Geriot, Cousin Betty, and Wild Ass’s Skin. Lost Illusions is on my radar. I have a huge omnibus of Balzac, but the translations are old public domain so probably not the best.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 жыл бұрын
I loved _Lost Illusions_ and highly recommend it.
@maghrebforever2012
@maghrebforever2012 2 жыл бұрын
Wild Ass' Skin reminded me immediately of The Picture of Dorian Grey, for obvious reasons!
@ricardorodriguez5549
@ricardorodriguez5549 2 жыл бұрын
Reading Lost Illusions now and loving it
@paulrowe2615
@paulrowe2615 9 ай бұрын
Have you read the new MacKenzie translations of Lost Illusions and Lost Souls (A Harlot High and Low)? I might start with those.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 9 ай бұрын
I have not. I read both in a slightly older Penguin Classics edition. Both are great books.
@beatles_forever7560
@beatles_forever7560 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for your interesting video. A couple of years ago I bought Balzacs complete works of his 'Human Comedy' (German edition) in 12 volumes which follows Balzacs order in which we should read his books. Isn't such an order available for the English translations? Have a nice day and happy reading
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for your comment. That kind of list may be available in English. I have just picked the books up as single volumes and read them as I have gotten therm.
@steveblevins8793
@steveblevins8793 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for the recommendations. What about Cousin Bette? Good or bad place to start?
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I think _Cousin Bette_ is a masterpiece. I do think it might help to have read another Balzac first because he does have his own style and themes, BUT starting with _Cousin Bette_ would not be a bad idea.
@YamChopp
@YamChopp Жыл бұрын
So I was checking out the band balzac. I wasn't expecting this but welcomed. I had no idea balzac was a author but I'd like to check it out? Maybe video for balzac newbs? Where do i start?
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan Жыл бұрын
I can’t remember which books I said to start with in this video and to be honest I change my recommendations all the time. But right now I would suggest starting with: Old Goriot The Black Sheep Or Colonel Chabert
@StephanieJCohen
@StephanieJCohen 2 жыл бұрын
I started with Pere Goriot as recommended, and really enjoyed it! What should I read next?
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 жыл бұрын
I want to say _Lost Illusions_ . It goes deeper in terms of showing society and corruption etc. But it is similar in basic structure to _Pere Goriot_ . Since you’ve already read a Balzac _Colonel Chabert_ can wait. _The Black Sheep_ , _Cousin Bette_, _Eugenie Grandet are all good, but different from one another. _Cousin Bette_ is great, but pretty cynical. _Eugenie Grandet_ is shorter and a little less cynical.
@StephanieJCohen
@StephanieJCohen 2 жыл бұрын
@@BookishTexan Thanks! I’ll read Lost Illusions and then Cousin Bette.
@edithpeter7777
@edithpeter7777 Жыл бұрын
@@BookishTexan Thanks!
@1book1review
@1book1review 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe this will see me picking up one of his books. Although I haven't decided on the language I want to read it in. I keep thinking I could go for a German translation, but so often I enjoy English translations more. And my French is not good enough to even consider although that would be grand LOL.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 жыл бұрын
As product of the American education system which offers limited language options and my own laziness, I only have one option. All I learned from my French classes was how to ask for the time, order a ham sandwich, and the word for umbrella.
@1book1review
@1book1review 2 жыл бұрын
@@BookishTexan hahaha. I was really bad in French, but after 6 years I could do more. Although when I found my copy of Le Petit Prince a few years ago and thought to read it again I couldn't even understand my own annotations anymore, so I must have been doing okay at some point.
@pennyg156
@pennyg156 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought I'd read Balzac but in fact I think it was always De Maupassant. Seems I remember some oddity in their birth/ death dates. I do remember asking for Balzac in a very popular book store and had to explain that there was in fact a z in the name. I think he has fallen out of favor with younger readers.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, Balzac has not faired well in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, which is a shame because lots of stuff happens in a Balzac novel compared to classic novels that we make required reading. I can imagine getting some strange looks when requesting a book by him in a bookstore.
@gurgisjones1120
@gurgisjones1120 Жыл бұрын
I'm starting with bio by Stefan Zweig. My copy of the old book was printed in 1946. Guess I want to understand the man first.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan Жыл бұрын
Solid idea.
@attention5638
@attention5638 2 жыл бұрын
It is good to know when a book is a sequel, haha. That is strange they don't mention that on the book anywhere. 🤔
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 жыл бұрын
It may actually be on there somewhere. . . . .
@robertschobesberger6300
@robertschobesberger6300 2 ай бұрын
good video... but i would say all the books you show are pretty good... there are some balzac novels that are really boring, but you mentioned none of them... i agree "the wild ass skin" is an outlier in balzac works because of the supernatural setting but i also think it was maybe an inspiration for oscar wilde's "dorian gray"
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 ай бұрын
Thank you. Which Balzac novels did you find boring? Good point about The Wild Ass’s Skin and Dorian Grey.
@robertschobesberger6300
@robertschobesberger6300 2 ай бұрын
@@BookishTexan Beatrix and "Le Lys dans la vallee" (don't know the english title) are imho targeted to female readers (or to impress madame hanska)... they are maybe interesting for readers who are interested in romance, but imho balzac was not a master in this special genre... great descriptions of the countryside though... also not a big fan of "la medecin de campagne"...
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 2 ай бұрын
@@robertschobesberger6300 Thank you those two books are not ones that I have read.
@jamelwest2586
@jamelwest2586 Жыл бұрын
I truly believe that my love for Balzac stems from beginning with Cousin Bette.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan Жыл бұрын
It is a great novel.
@mouseandryforever6848
@mouseandryforever6848 4 ай бұрын
I started with Les Choans. I realized quickly I had to learn about the French Revolution and the Vendee. once I got some historical information it became much easier to read. The Ass's Skin was ok but it was too philosophical for me and yes, the magic in it really deviated from his realism. It doesn't seem to fit the rest of his work. It felt more like a potboiler that was written on the side, too commercial.
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan 4 ай бұрын
I’ve never read Les Choans. I have a copy, but it is one of those print on demand things and it’s not formatted well and there are no page numbers so I couldn’t read it.
@charold3
@charold3 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate anyone who posts anything here about great lit, and Balzac is a great writer. However, I disagree with this person re The Wild Ass’s Skin. It is a fine novel, despite some lulls here and there, and it’d be a good first Balzac. It does have a supernatural element, but it does not detract from its essential realism. This is also true of Maupassant, Gogol, Pushkin, and many others. It’s not, as this person suggests, an either/or thing; many realists include supernatural elements in their fiction. I agree, though, that Pete Goriot is probably the best Balzac starting point.
@mattjmjmjm4731
@mattjmjmjm4731 2 жыл бұрын
Great novelist particulary in entertainment value, class analysis with trashy melodramatic plots, no wonder Karl Marx loved his books so much. Père Goriot and Lost Illusions are master classes in compelling characters and plot, Eugénie Grandet I find to be trashy in a bad way.
@williamwack2025
@williamwack2025 Жыл бұрын
I couldn't put the wild asses' skin down as a teenager
@BookishTexan
@BookishTexan Жыл бұрын
I wonder if I would have liked it more if I read it as a younger person? Thanks for watching.
@UltimaThulean
@UltimaThulean 5 ай бұрын
Balzac...heh, heh...yeah😊
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