Oh wow- that’s a pretty good trained horse lol-

One wow that’s a really good trained horse two I would probably need to do that for a regular horse I am very short

My friend taught his horse, unintentionally mind you, to go full speed gallop by pointing forward. In other words they, to quote him, "Taught Rook to charge into battle."

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Yep, I agree

Actually it was fine. She wasn’t hurting the horse but instead allowing it to do what it wanted. Horses want to buck, and they want to run, especially when in a new or uncomfortable situation. By letting the horse do that, she’s allowing the horse to work through that anxiety, and emotion. What would have been wrong to do would be to hit, or tie it to a pole, yell, or tug it close so it can no longer run away. Those are wrong, but common tactics in training.

@@artsywoofle8947 No, the horse is most definitly not fine. You don't just strap a saddle on a horses back. To a horse who is not used to it, this feels like a predator clinging onto them and it causes extreme panic and distress and in the end, makes the horse only more afraid of the saddle. This barbaric and lazy method can also lead to severe injuries and even the horse breaking its bones by flipping over or running into something. Happens a lot. By the time you put a saddle on a young horse, it should already be desensitized to it. If it reacts like the horse in the video, you did something wrong. This method is called flooding and is abusive. She also yanked multiple times on the rope, how is that not hurting the horse? The horse doesn't buck because it is happy, but it bucks as a reaction to the saddle, because it wants it off. How hard is it to work slowly towards the saddle step, so the horse feels safe and how lazy do you have to be, to do this to a horse that probably you, that woman in the video and many other claim to respect and love. I suggest you educate yourself a bit more.

@@erdbeerpanda1804 I appreciate your point of view, but I do have to disagree. I never said the horse was having fun, I said that the bucking and running was a way of expressing emotion. Much like with dogs and barking. People yank on lead ropes all the time, it does not hurt the horse. If you want something comparable you can feel yourself, take a handful of hair and yank. Uncomfortable, but not the end of the world by any means. Are there softer ways to approach this training? Yes, absolutely. Do I prefer those methods? Yes. Do I think all methods of training that cause even the slightest discomfort for the animal are abusive by default? No. This clip is taken out of context and we have absolutely no idea how far along in training this horse really was. Horses can, and do, randomly freak out and start bucking. Even horses that have been riding for years do this. A horse that is mid training with a saddle certainly will. Flooding is exposing a horse to a fear stimulus, and not allowing them to escape. Which, because you don’t know this horse, and because you don’t know this woman you can’t actually verify this. The horse could be bucking because it’s uncomfortable, bored, frustrated, etc. things you can’t know from a 1 minute clip. You don’t know me, and you don’t know this woman. Perhaps instead of researching more, you should train more. I do find it a little funny that when speaking to people like you the answer is always, without a doubt. Read more books, attend more seminars, watch more videos. It is never. Never, never, never, to get more experience. It is never to spend more time with horses, it is never to practice, or hone your skill and techniques. Your answer is always to shut yourself away, and effectively learn nothing. I would love to hear your preferred methods of training that you’ve actually used. You say that by the time you put a saddle on a horse it should be completely desensitized. How have you personally gone about doing this? And by the way, by definition the horse IS fine. We know from context that the horse wasn’t harmed, And rides to this day. Perhaps other horses with worse trainers, or unsafe environments are harmed doing this. I’ve never seen it happen during training, but I’m sure it has. And to those horses I’m sorry. No good trainer ever wants to hurt their horse. But unless there is an intent to harm the animal, or willful neglect I just don’t see how this is abusive by any standard. What if’s are not the subject here, but what actually happened.

@@artsywoofle8947 The fact you think, that yanking on a horses face does not hurt them is ... very bizarr to put it nicely and if someone yanks on my hair, it does hurt. From the way you wrote, you are probably in a very abusive equestrian community, where you got desensitized to these method to the point you think it is fine. I never told you to "read more books, attend more seminars, watch more vieos", I told you to educate yourself. Those things are part of it and a very important part as well. If you are so against reading and seminars, it tells me, that you have met with studies that go against your opinions and destroy your bubble, so you are completely shutting them out as a source. You cannot learn and improve and realize your mistake, by just being with your horse and riding. Reading studies by scientists and experts is a big part of being a responsible equestrian. I don't need to watch an entire before and after video. I recognize this as flooding, because she is not letting the horse escape and go away from that feared state. Flooding refers to restraining or confining a horse and exposing it to a high level of whatever the horse is afraid of until it no longer reacts (in this case the saddle). The danger of flooding is that an animal can go into a shutdown state, where it appears that they are no longer afraid, however the next time they are exposed the fear is much worse. Another problem with using flooding with a large animal like the horse is that it can trigger a state of panic and cause very aggressive fight or flight responses, which may injure horse or handler, or if the behaviors work and the flooding process is stopped, the horse will be more likely to use these behaviors in the future. Another example of flooding, frequently used in natural horsemanship training, and often incorrectly labeled as habituation or desensitisation, occurs when a horse is exposed to a novel stimulus while on line, or enclosed in an insufficient space such as a pen. The exposure to the stimulus triggers the flight response, but the horse is unable to run far enough away to settle and relax, due to the constraint of either the line or the pen. In addition, when on line, the horse runs into the pressure of the rope, and so experiences another aversive stimulus. In future, even if the opportunity to escape is available, the horse will be unlikely to attempt to do so. It doesn’t mean that the horse is no longer frightened of the object, simply that they are more frightened of the rider and what the rider might do if they fail to pass. **To add to this, flooding leads to another mental state, called "Learned Helplessnes" Learned helplessness refers to a state of significantly reduced response resulting from the animal’s inability to affect its condition or environment. In the context of negative experiences, the -phenomenon results from repeated exposure to unavoidable, inescapable painful or fear-inducing stimuli or situations. The animal essentially shuts down behaviorally, no longer trying to escape or avoid, and enters a state of behavioral depression. Learned helplessness can be situation-specific, but most often in psychology the term learned helplessness is used to describe a generalized “shutdown” or depression and apparent inability to act. This means, that even when a horse doesn't seem to have severe negativ panic reactions to the same fear inducing content, does not mean that it has positivly recovered from that fear. It means, that the horse, whenever in contact with that stimuli, shuts down and accepts it fate. Flooding "works" because it teaches our horses to become non-responsive. It triggers a heightened fear response, which usually takes them well above their fear thresholds, and then leads to a fight or flight response. When a horse enters a level so high above threshold it is experiencing an immense amount of stress and anxiety. Due to the mental and psychical responses your horse's body has to stress and fear, it is now producing the chemicals needed to keep itself alive, both in the moment and for the future. Which means.... you're not only putting your horse and yourself in danger, but there actually becomes an increased chance of hyper sensitizing your horse to the very stimulus you were trying to desensitize them too. We also learned, that when a horse is in such a heightened fear state it could unintentionally be causing the horse to fear other aspects of the situation, such as the environment or the handler. In other words, while you're trying to help your horse overcome it's fear of the saddle, you could be teaching your horse to fear you or fear the round pen. It's the body's way of making sure this animal learns how to stay alive. ** Being constantly exposed to that fear stimulus and sacking the horse out to the point it is so physically and mentally exhausted that it gives up is abusive. Would you want to be constantly exposed to your fear without any options to escape and take a break? No, so why do you think it is acceptable to do this to another living being. Horses can spook, horses can buck, but you need to let them escape and calm down and more often than not, this will lead to curiosity after. Any scenario for dealing with a fear evoking stimulus in which the individual is exposed to it without the opportunity to escape is known as flooding. And that is shown in this clip, or do you see an option for the horse to get away? This clip shows abuse and i will not let you tell anyone or me that this isn't the case.