Meyer and Sproul have my support

I pray that I can have as sharp a mind as RC when I am that age. God has truly blessed that man....to take nothing away from the rest of the panel, please. The trouble is that I'm already behind at the age that I am. LOL.

It's a great blessing to listen to wisdom from these great men of God. :)

It's important to hear the argument of the opposition. We should be able to defend what we believe and why we believe it, following the evidence wherever it leads. This includes the strengths and yes, the weaknesses our our argument and the arguments of our opposition.

Watching this in 5.12.20 so I know I'm late on the comment board, and I'm a new to the reformed circle. Some would say I'm becoming reformed😁 (shoutout to R.C)... But I have to say, that towards the end of this Q & A was probably one of my favorite. And I've gotten the chance to watched many of Ligonier and 'Grace To You' Q & A videos

So right! Our kids are already lost when Genesis is compromised. I remember being a 16 year old kid in science class - from an unbelieving family - and thinking how can any of this have happened by “accident”? If you see it, you see it. Everything screams the existence of God. I’ve never needed to doubt He is creator. It took me longer to become aware that His Son is the Way. Amen. Bo Adonai. Come Lord Yeshua.

Thanks Gentlemen for such a well presented and consistent discussion. Perhaps you have once read about "taking the battle to the gate". I found it very significant that the Gentlemen in the centre held to the notions that of the importance of recognition of the fall. The two Gentlemen to his left spoke about the importance and significance of the evidence of creation within and against the barrage of secular naturalism. The Gentlemen to his right stressed the significance of integrity of Gods truth and reasons to defend it. Collectively this was the gates defended perfectly. What a Unison of thought and revelation of where the battle is. Good Grace Chaps very enlightened.

These Q & A's are fantastic 💪🏼🙏🏼

My GOD can do anything, and everything and do all things in His way and time, and that is why He is MY God.

Boy , things got complicated at the end . I didn't think this would end up being an exploration of counseling . The fact is that framework hypothesis undermines the historical Adam in a young 24 year old seminary student .

I have given my grandchildren Bibles that are commentary, AND, that have my own comments written in them - progressively - as I myself have grown in The Word to a better understanding threw guidance, teaching, and guardianshjp of The Holy Spirit.

I started my Christian life not believing Genesis as written. I could not join my old earth education with the plain reading of Genesis. It was 7 years later that I was introduced to the theories involved with creation ministry scientists. Catastrophism versus Uniformitarianism is the main debate. I wish more discussions would happen concerning this topic.

Please enter Portuguese subtitles. I would love to watch these discussions. if possible please.

Wow, EXCELLENT discussion.

Horton , so for 4000 years the church never understood framework position but the establishment of the calendar was understood by the brickmasons that were brought out of Egypt . I'm sure they weren't discussing the analogical , framework and day age views of creation but understood words concretely . This discussion should have been about how to understand language and concepts .

Awesome

Dr. Robert Morey has an excellent book titled: The Bible, Natural Theology, and Natural Law: Conflict or Compromise an excellent work that combats Sproul's alignment with Aquinis

The camaraderie between young earthers and old Earthers appears to be a thin veneer

why is it so difficult for everybody to say, 'I don't know?'

Anyone else start these videos and have to rewatch the first 30 minutes because of comment reading?

It's interesting that we are still debating the existence of God. I wonder if we will ever finish.

See Ferguson, Godfrey, Lawson, & Sproul

I wonder why I am still here at age 92 ?

I really wish I had not sent my children to university.

have you seen "Scientist Reacts to "Fossil Record Debunked" | Reacteria" on youtube?

"I strive to know only this, Jesus Christ, and Him crucified..."

I am grateful for great teachers such as Sproul. I love knowing the truth of Creation, and being able to destroy evolutionary theory by presenting truth of Scripture. I am not interested in a secular humanist point of view, it is not based on science, it is based on wishful thinking.

A big reason that many young girls lose their faith in college can start with the abuse at home. Frustrated mothers and fathers can inflict great harm. If your parents never read the Word at home, it is a recipe for spiritual disaster. Teenage years have to be met with great love of the Word and warning young adults of the many wiles of the enemy. Narcissist parents that are envious of their children's success can lead them straight into the arms of false love.

I think Dr. Sproul has a legitimate point for saying that the Bible does not give us a date. He did not say that he does not believe in creation. And I agree with him that clearly the Bible nowhere clearly teaches a young earth/universe.

The idea that the 2nd law of thermodynamics was not applicable before the fall is pure speculation. And exactly those kinds of speculations divide us. And then he wonders why the church is divided! Sproul is right to admit he doesn't know the answer and that the question is not of a vital importance.

I’m neither way but it’s a dangerous thing to say we should just let the scientists tell us the age of the rocks because then you are just going along with mostly non Christian secular science because it says so, I’m interested in what Dell has to say and both understandings need to be taught in church at school as well as evolutionary understandings, the problem is that the govt has jumped in via a secular route and said this is truth and this isn’t permissible and that’s no good ) we alllllll need to be heard and let the chips fall where they may on this, i don’t believe it’s a salvation issue but I’m not going to man handled Into a position via the pulpit or principals either way !! 🙏✝️

After God’s creation, He called it very good! Why would death which is not good be evident in the the dead fossils? With this evidence I go with the young earth.

If God create everything, how come that He picked up only the Jewish to share His words?

I look to C S Lewis for confirmation of GOD !

If Noah’s flood was a real catastrophic global flood, then the creation account is a given

The controversy is not between intelligent design and evolution, the controversy is an old one: between religion and science

Creationist Timeline of the Mesozoic era: Triassic Age: December 3000BC Jurassic Age: April 3000BC Cretaceous Age: September 3000 BC

Del Tackett expresses his concern about using time, i.e. huge leaps of time, as an argument that "given enough time" people use THAT to explain away any need for God the Creator, chalking it up to a materialistic explanation for life. BUT that does NOT work. The probabilities are statistically absurd. But this is the false presupposition that many creationists implicitly accepted as the main challenge to God the Creator, i.e. the enemy was identified as TIME and the attack by creationists focused on that: TIIME. And many still do so.

Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say…

I don’t see how or why a Calvinist would disagree with presuppositionalism

NO NO NO NO They NEVER started, not that they lost it before they arrived at college! That’s where we fail, not only our children but we fail our Father in Heaven when we don’t raise our children in the admonition and the relationship with with the Lord!

They reject the light of truth, because their deeds are evil...

Dawkins has just been on Australian news saying differential that evolution is the only scientific evidence based explanation. Could you please reply scientific proof for the case against his opinion.

Meyer or Meyers?

It's our own fault. Should have never let the village raise our kids.

Tackett is worth listening to, I wouldn’t let Meyer near young minds.

Fallacy of asserting the consequent.

Let's teach the controversy; let's teach the stork theory of reproduction.

Soooo----God sacrificed himself to himself inorder to justafie himself ????

Sproul says natural revelation trumps special revelation????

Listening to RC Sproul, around the 10 minute mark and forward, reminded me of the reason why I DIDN'T study Philosophy in College. BORING!!

So Ligonier has taken down all their RC Jr sermons? That's at least a step in the right direction. But Ligonier also needs to edit RC Jr out of these Q&A videos. It just makes for really bad optics keeping him in. Oh, and Ligonier needs to stop paying RC Jr a six-figure salary for doing diddly squat as an independent contractor. Time to kick him off the Ligonier Sproul Family Gravy Train for good!

Without the Bible there is no Christianity left.

To many big word's, gives me a headache.

"Intelligent Design research community"- hahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha

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Mr. Myers, is there any scientific evidence that the Earth is young? You act as though there is none when there is plenty.

Young earth creationists exist so scientologists have someone to laugh at.

Science is mutable and never arrives at the truth.

The problem I have with the young earth proponents (such as Answers in Genesis), is that they always start with the Word of God as being literal, and then all of their science is subservient to this interpretation. Their science is circular and not science. There is another possibility to consider. For example, the writer of Genesis 1 had an earth centric view. Everything was created around the earth, not the earth as part of a huge universe. It is possible that we are over interpreting an ancient text as a science text, whereas, the broad message is, in the beginning God created. The days are then used as literary devices in an age where people didn't read or write. However, i recognize there is a problem in this view, when we come to Genesis 3 from a theological perspective. But i decided 20 years ago, that I was not going to allow what is plainly a scientific reality to be overruled by the Bible, because to do this is to ignore a physical reality. If we could wind back the universe day by day, we would finally get back to the creation of the Universe. Did it happen in 6 days? I don't think so. Is the earth young? Having worked with a geologist for a number of years I can see that it is not. My conclusion is that we need a new interpretation of Genesis 1 -3 that is less literal, but still fundamentally true. It is better to see Genesis 1-3 as polemic against the prevailing views of poly theism, and the nature of man. I would concur with Stephen Meyer, the earth is old, but mankind is likely young, but I think evolution is fundamentally flawed (so i am not a theistic evolutionist that believed God somehow guided evolution). I think unless we are able to come to a new interpretation if Genesis 1-3 (i.e. that does not infer young earth), then we will continue to lose young people because we are not in sync with the reality of the physical universe. One of my employees is in this category. He sees a very big disconnect betweeen the reality of the physical universe and Genesis 1,2. I think it is also invalid to over interpret the idea of 'natural revelation' also. I am sure no one will read this, but just thought I would air my thoughts to myself.

I’m glad Jesus came and demonstrated the “scientifically” impossible. Treating the Word as some sort of muse is not wise. His name, I AM!

Why the God of the Bible? Why is not a hindu God or Allah? Couldn’t you stop just at the word God? That is very pervers, racial dangerous claims that you bring here 🤔

I don't think prayer is an activity worth bragging about or anything magical happens from it.

the earth it's flat

So Meyer believes we evolved? That's disappointing to hear. Also old earth theory rules out God's redemption for man and also makes out Jesus and Paul were mistaken because they both spoke of Adam and Eve and creation.

Sproul was a fideist.

Horton thinks the Bible is an inspired myth.

Sproul never did know what he was on about.

Meyer would know about legal cases. He ran away from the Dover case. He was supposed to give evidence on behalf of intelligent design. He realised he would be uncovered and publicly decried as a fraud, and so, despite being listed to testify, declined. He left Behe to carry the can and be shown to be a fraud. Meyer managed to escape with his reputation untarnished, simply because he was too cowardly to face the court.

It's 2019 now and Christians are deserting evidentialism, and other types of apologetics, in favour of presuppositionalism. So, it seems as though Christian "science" has shat the pot. Understandable really because ID, and irreducible complexity, have constantly been embarrassed by real science. This has forced the retreat of Christianity to the realm of the circular argument. This is the best place for it. Hopefully it will an ever decreasing circularity, whereby it will eventually disappear up it's own arse.

There is no Satan.