Horus lost to Russ because he was too arrogant, gloating and believing there was no way Russ could even hurt him. Russ was also given a weapon made specifically to kill Horus imbued with some of the emperors own power. Also remember that about a third of his legion died to ensure he would survive. Sanguinius would be fighting a horus not only imbued with the pantheons power but now humbled by almost being killed by russ, he would not let an opening like that happen again. Sanguinius would be fighting Horus 1 on 1, with no legion at his back, after spending who knows how long holding off the traitor legions at the eternity gate. Sanguinius also arguably has even more of a personal attachment to Horus than Russ, so if anything I think it adds to his sacrifice, he took on the most powerful thing next to the emperor, alone, with no bullshit instakill stick

If only Russ had similar feelings for Magnus as he once had for Horus

Haha those subtitles... "Horace Looper Cow"

Everybody saying this doesnt count as a victory for Russ because of Horus was gloating seems to have the wrong idea about combat and strategy. You play to your enemies weaknesses not strengths, in this battle it would be pride. It's like saying you cant use feints or any other type of mental tactic because its "underhanded"

To think that nearly 10,000 years later that same spear would hurt another traitor primarch

Let’s be honest, without chaos interference, Russ is the strongest Primarch for direct combat.

Where can I find the audiobook

I think it showed just how powerful Russ was, for all of his boasting he could back up what he said. I do think Russ was right in thinking that Sanguinius would be too much for him though. Russ had the emperors spear and Horus took him lightly but the fact he could’ve killed Horus at this point is impressive still. I’m loving how these black Library books have made Leman a much more interesting character. wolfsbane was incredible

If it wasn’t for russ sticking Horus like a pig I feel Horus would have won.

This counts as a solid W for Russ. He won that battle by outsmarting a superior opponent. This has to make Russ the most lethal of all the Primarchs. I do think they need to re-do the lore around Sanguinius. Strangled to death? How is that even possible? Wouldn't his neck just heal? Only a beheading would make sense.

Russ reminds me of Theoden here:

Russ stabs Horus with the spear

“You can kill me “, said Russ defiantly , " But You Will Never Win.."

I’ll say the scope of 40K is so vast that multiple facets of a tale can emerge over time to completely change what we know.

Sanguinius’s death is still going to be special. It’s going to come down to him seeing that if he does not die the emperor will be holding back to much and will be overwhelmed by Horus.

the sacrifice of the wolves was way more heroic than even the writer could portray, they threw themselves at him over and over knowing it meant death, in a blood fueled frenzy, i was completely caught off guard, almost in tears, they wouldnt be stopped, couldn't be stopped.

I just love how passionately you tell us these stories

I couldn't repeat what I had done to Magnus and (REDACTED)...

I have this strange feeling that when the encounter between Sanguinius and Horus happens, Sanguinius will have the upper hand for most of the engagement, until he too is shown the "uncorrupted" face of Horus and relents, enabeling Horus to mortally wound him when he is unbalanced - if Sanguinius then, in that moment, carve the legendary hole in Horus' armor, his sacrifice will remain as great as it has always been - this, at least, is what I am hoping :)

This right here, this shows how much Leman and Horus loved and respected one another. But, Though Russ had tried… Horus that existed was gone. Seriously, what story writing and emotion.