They are good I just wish insurance company's would not take the piss with them, when i was looking for insurance a petrol bike that cost 5000 was £40 a month with £500 mandatory excess yet the Horwin that is also 5000 was close to £80 a month and had a £2000 mandatory excess

@@EQINOX187 That must be one posh petrol 125cc bike for £5000 ! Most of them are £3000 to £4200 ish. £80 / month is £960 a year, that's ridiculous. I really don't see the economics adding up on this electric bike. Even forgetting about the extra purchase price of the electric bike, for the extra £40 / month on insurance you could buy 7.3 gallons (UK) / 33.3 litres of petrol , that should be enough for about 880 miles on a 125cc bike every month. So 10,000 miles per year. Not many do that type of annual mileage on a bike. ( The manually geared 125s (not the auto scooters) do about 120 MPG or 26.4 Miles / Litre )

@@karlosh9286 I do not know if there is a 125 for £5000 but it didn't really mater as on the insurance websites they just ask for what bike it is / size and the value of the bike and so you can enter what ever value you want to get an insurance quote based on that and i tried all kinds of brands and came to the conclusion that at least for me they where jacking up the insurance cost for the Horwin, range wise yeah it would be problematic for long range but my purpose for the bike was a work commute of about 8 mile a day and at 1p per mile to charge so it would be cheap to run and would only need to recharge it every 7 or 8 days, but yeah insurance costs killed the idea

@@EQINOX187 ​ Honda CB125F is about £3k. It's okay. Honda CB125R is about £4200, they're quite good for a 125. There are others. There are some chinese 125s you can get for about £2500. A Honda PCX 125 auto scooter is about £3200. 8 mile a day commute for about 220 days a year is less than 2,000 miles per year. You might ride other places, say 4,000 miles per year. This is a kind of common annual mileage on a motorcycle. A manually geared 125 does about 120 MPG. At £5.44 a gallon (£1.20 / litre), that's about 4.5 pence / mile. Auto 125cc (Honda PCX 125) scooters are more like 100 MPG, so they're about 5.4 pence per mile in petrol. So a geared 125 at 4,000 miles a year is £181 in petrol costs. You'd have spent £40 in electricity costs. So only £141 more for the petrol. But the Horwin electric bike will cost you anywhere between £2500 to £1000 more than one of the petrol 125s above, it will cost £500 a year more insurance, but only save £140 petrol. Servicing costs on a 125 will be a bit higher, a semi wild guess say £200 / year more. On the Horwin, you will be limited to a range of 70 miles, yeah I rarely did that much on my petrol 125 when I had it. Horwin, once empty a 3 hour charge. Petrol bike , 5 minutes in a petrol station. Petrol 125 bike range on my CB125R was near 300 miles. A 2021 Honda CB125R has the full legally allowed 14.7 BHP (my 2018 one had 13.3 BHP). My 2018 CB125R could do a top speed of about 65 MPH, the new one should be able to do 70MPH. If you ever go on a dual carriage way you really need something that can do over 60 MPH, preferably 70 MPH. This Horwin can do about 58 MPH. Trucks will want to over take you on the Horwin. This is NOT fun ! A Honda PCX 125 should do just over 60 MPH. Top speed is important on 125s, because they're all terrible ! Finally there's noise. In town centres a bit of exhaust noise (not loud hooligan pipes, they're anti social !) is useful, mainly for semi blind pedestrians to hear you coming. I've also got a 250w ebike, I've had pedestrians not hear me coming and almost walk out in front of me. On a 125, they'd have heard me coming. I'd love electric bikes to work and be better than petrol, the issue is they just currently don't. Economically, or practically. If I was still a learner, the only electric motorcycle that would appeal is the £11k Zero A1 SR/F (something like that) and that's not economically appeal, it's because it games the max power allowed rules, and can give a peak power of over 30 BHP. Apparently it's quite quick. But whether learners should be allowed, or if it is wise, is entirely a different conversation ! I'm sure Tim / RarifiedRoad has done a review. I'd like to get a ride on one of them ! I do reckon the law will be changed, and the Zero A1 SR/F will not be legal for learners, but currently to my knowledge it still is.

@EQUINOX and you could get a second hand 125 ...

Cause i owned one for 6 months and it fell apart it was awful the chain fell off on the first ride i had on it the panels came loose and the speedo stopped working after 2 weeks. I hated the thing

In short no, when i test drove one of these I found the throttle is quite hmm how should i put it hmm soft or delayed, the controller seams set up to apply the power slowly and as it sees fit rather than as demanded by the rider, in comparison when I tested a Zero CBT class bike when you pin the throttle at the lights it will lift the front wheel and it was very responsive to the throttle input and so what you requested you got, but with the horwin if you pin the throttle expecting the same but no and so at the lights it will just softly pull away, similarly I found when driving if I try to rapidly accelerate from say 20 or 30 the Zero did so but with the Horwin it was more pull the throttle and go put the kettle on while you wait, this is not so much a flaw with the core bike its self but rather the controller and setting s Horwin went with and for some stupid reason the decided to to force the bike to apply the power softly and based on the controller rather than what the rider demands from the throttle, I am told there is an upgraded controller you can buy that makes the Horwin more responsive but I have not rested or seen it in action.

Thank you, I'm really liking the team.

😂 Let's see what subtle product placement I can get in the next couple.

@@RarefiedRoad I’m pleased you landed the Urban Rider gig... I struggle to watch tho’ as I keep waiting for you to bring the sarcasm. 😂

It is nowhere close to reliable i had one and i hated every moment i spent on it chain came off the forst week i had it and almost everythong broke on it within 4 months it was a piece of crap

Yeah simple change. Flat seat round light job done. Rides nice though.

@@RarefiedRoad although I look forward to embracing electric motorbikes when they evolve, I think they will all effectively become the same bike just with different clothes on, gone will be any character

@Capt Shiny hey :-) ICE bikes have singles, twins, triples, fours, v twins, L twins, boxers, rotax, v4's, all feeling different to ride. An electric motor is just that, it has no "soul", sure some will be geared for speed, some acceleration, and some for economy, but they are still just an electric motor drawing power from a battery. I am happy to be proved wrong, very much so... but all I can currently see is them being just a different colour with different suspension options depending on the manufacturer.

@@HippoDrones There are different types of electric motors and that does make a difference... Different types of controllers also change things around. I get what you're saying, but for me, electrics have lots of potential and they surely are the future. 🙂

@@admirable_kon5083 I'm not anti EV, but I will be sad when all my ICE motorcycles have to be mothballed!

20min will give you 30km, 80% charge in 1.5hours. 3 hours from flat

I'd like to try the Pro, I wasn't aware it had gears till I looked up it's specs online I really want to see how that changes the performance.

The horwin cr6 is a bit more expensive (around 1000 euro) but much better quality, bit more range, bit more heavy compared to the supersoco Tc max

It's a Roland Sands Ringo

3 hours to then be able to ride for 1 hour and do 70 miles ? hmmm ! Petrol 125 , 5 minutes to fill up, range well over 200 miles ( more like 300 on some ).

Mine never went more than 35 miles on a charge i hated it so much

Its a crap bike i hated everything about mine it broke so quickly and the warranty was never upheld so that 5000 quid down the drain