True. He can see this family is WAY more trouble than it's worth.

You can really see the difference between him and Addam. Still love them both tho

After watching the last episode I got even more respect for Alyn he doesn’t want anything from Corlys he grew up without a father in the streets most of the time seeing his father who didn’t even look his way and still wanted to serve him

The circumstances are different enough, and Cat was a much younger mother in the books

Cause this guy didn’t live with them…..

uncomparable

It’s honestly a very different situation but I would say it showcases the differences between the women all the more starkly and Catelyn looks all the worse. Yes Catelyn was much younger but she was not in love with her husband. She was not even engaged to him originally. She knew him for a few nights and had been married days when he left and apparently “fathered” Jon snow. Rhaenys and Corlys were thought in Rhaenys mind to be a love match. That they loved each other from the start. Corlys also hid it from her which is worse in that he led her to believe he was faithful and their relationship was what it was. Rhaenys has much more reason to hate Alyn on principle than Catelyn has to hate Jon. But Catelyn doesn’t hate Jon really she’s scared and that’s what makes her the lesser person. That she allows her fear her entire life dictate how she treats a child

In the book, Corlys didn't even acknowledge them before Rhaenys death.

Especially since she wanted to denounce Rhaenyra's kids. Because they're not Laenor's.

Pretty much agree. She has been taunted with her nickname as "The Queen who never was", loved her family so very much, not just husband and her 2 kids, but Viserys, who often didn't see the bigger picture. She truly loved Corlys, (her nursing him back to health, a conversation from earlier in the season when they were in bed and that lovely little scene in the previous episode, giving Corlys food in the rain, and honouring her husband's illegitimate sons, even at the point of just finding out about them. And complimenting them, with the comment about how their mother must have been beautiful. I didn't really care much about her in season 1, (except when Vaemond lost his head and tongue at Daemon's sword), but I think she really stepped up with season 2, which then reminded me of how much her character was pretty much honourable, wise, and loving, just keeping those moments private. Besides which I still don't think she had a chance against both Aegon and Aemond on Vhaegar. She bowed out and sacrificed herself, with grace and honour. RIP. Rhaenys and Maelys.

She does, she's an awesome character. Then again, IIRC, for noble families during that era, it's very common for their lord husbands to take up lovers and have natural children (albeit lowborn children). Most of these marriages are arranged so most of them don't grow love for each other. It's different for Corlys and Rhaenys since they did grow to love and care about each other. For the wives, it's not surprising when their husband keep lovers and their natural children, what's surprising for me is how Rhaenys didn't mind Corlys honoring Alyn and raising him up. That's the part that's different. Most noble women (wives/mothers) would feel that this would be a threat to their trueborns (Catelyn Stark, I'm looking at you LOL), but keep in mind, Rhaenys's and Corlys's children are dead at this point and only their grandchildren were around... so she might feel with the war, it might be necessary to keep family closer together rather than apart.

@@tracys169my thoughts exactly. She didn’t automatically hate him for being her husband’s bastard. And actually commended him for saving his father. Also she probably realizes that it would make her a hypocrite since the first Baratheon was the bastard brother of Aegon the Conqueror. With Catelyn Stark, she seemed to have forgotten that many bastards of house stark were extremely loyal to their trueborn siblings, and House Stark had a history of caring for them and having them grow up in Winterfell.

​@gabesarti7184 that's probably because Catelyn is a Tully from the River lands and not a Northerner like say lady Barbary Dustin; a Northerner would have known that Starks always keep their kids close, loyal and united.

yep

And thus, lamented her fate as having never fulfilled her great destiny. Hence, she chooses the path of a warrior and a warrior's death in battle. We are shown that she could have just as easily fled after wounding Rhaegar and calling him to tumble hard to the ground. She had already inflicted considerable damage to the Greens. Instead, she stays in the battle, and continues to engage, knowing perhaps that it was a battle she would not return from.

But Corlys and his brother don't have dragon blood. Corlys himself said Velaryons are not riders. This confuses me a bit. I thought the Velaryons got dragon blood from Rhaenys.

​@@koonehkun6404Presumably, Alyn's mother Marilda of Hull is herself a Targaryen bastard.

​@@koonehkun6404The Velaryons and the Targaryen have intermarried for generations but the dragonseed will raise the question of who can and cannot tame a dragon.

I don't know if I would call that respect. She was in utter shock that she was seeing a man who looked just like her husband once did. She's seeing a ghost

@@carlycrays2831 Right

Yeah putting her hands all over his face making him visibly uncomfortable is so ''respectful''...

@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 Yeah, I can't blame her for freaking out a bit, she handled it as best she could, but she was in utter shock

I also like the fact that she is irritated that Corlys was trying to hide him rather than rewarding him.

only a blind woman could say that the the ugliest goblin looking humanoid ever

That’s his bastard??? Okay I was wondering what the hell the point of this storyline was

It's certainly one of the kinder things one could say in this situation

​​@@carlycrays2831spoilers ahead as a warning later on inorder to get more dragon riders rheynera tries to get a bunch of dragonseeds to claim the unclaimed dragons on dragonstone. being corlys bastards ment thet he and adam were dragonseeds (the targeyrean and valaryan bloodlines had been conciderably intertwined over the centuries). Ultimately adam would eventually come to claim seasmoke (which all be confirms laenor died in the 10 years between when he escaped and now). Incase your wonder the others were hugh hammer, nettles, and ulf the white

​@@nickwarner2524dragonseeds subplot

😂

The sin of the parent is not the sin of the child.

@@MarianaCarvalho-gu8zx 💯 agree,

@@MarianaCarvalho-gu8zx It shouldn't be, but people are gonna feel how they feel.

@@MarianaCarvalho-gu8zx Well, that's what Rhaenys said here.

He saw her after at the small council on dragonstone. That was the last time they would see each other

​@@TimberlakeTigerGirlhe meant his son

@@hellchaos5686 No he didnt?

@@CeruleanSword Don't correct his incorrect correction

He didn't know shit.

His brother is also Corlys' bastard.

I actually thought his brother was Laenor's actor being recasted the first time he showed up. They look very similar and now I know it's intentional!

@@nesir8they don’t look similar at all other than both being blk(if you are talking about leanor’s recasting)

Addam Hull " Loyal".

@@GiveonKing Yeah to a lot of people who don't know a lot of black people, they're gonna look similar. They also can't tell Mexicans apart in China. Go figure

I KNEW IT

No way!!

Abubakar Salim is the name of the actor He also made a video game called Takes of Kenzera: Zau, which released in April this year. It's his first game.

That’s why he sounds familiar!

Why? Just because she handled her personal situation well? What about her stompling hundreds of smallfolk just to stare at Alicent at the end of season 1?

She would’ve been the Proto-Mad King. Fuck outta here, Viserys was a better king than her

​​@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 Agreed about that part. That was seriously bad writing from the directors' side. The book version of Aegon's coronation was beautiful. Stomping hundreds of people and than leaving without destroying the main problem doesn’t make any sense really.

Corlys was a high value man who gave the queen that never was a good life and children. Corlys having children while on his purpose is just harsh reality. Corlys also respected her.

​@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 you mean the book or the show?

This isnt the books

Which didn't make any sense for the woman in her position.

Nah, pretty sure people like Otto would have still tried to worm their way onto the thrown. While she would have been a decent ruler, she probably would have had to put down a few lords who “would spit on their ancestors before kneeling to a woman”

@@hydraman246 Maybe so but I doubt she would have been as docile as Viserys and tried to please everyone or played favourites. She would have been an impartial ruler. I think that was the Targaryens biggest mistake was thinking having a woman rule their house would have been wrong. The men of their house who sat on that throne did more damage than any of the women did and inevitably caused the collapse and ruin of House Targaryen.

@@user-gc5vs3sq3r absolutely I mean it would’ve been good for house Targaryen to have a female queen every now it would’ve saved so much. Even in this I believe the small folk were actually ready for rhaenyera to take the throne that’s all they talked about the only thing rhaeynra had to worry about when she took the throne was the council of men who were more sexist than anyone else but she could easily stop that and prove herself.

Doubt it. She was denied her birthright for the same reason Rhaenyra was denied hers. Different woman but still, a woman lol. They would have found a way to plant seeds of chaos.

Who do you think would have been her hand if she had become queen?

Yeah, you should always commend your husband for cheating and lying to you

@@vangu2918 Unlike women, a husband cheats with his body, not with his heart. Which is why husbands almost never leave their wives for “the other woman”. His heart is always with the woman he married, unless she makes him so miserable that he simply goes. He is not proud, nor does he flaunt his weakness, and if the side chick crosses the line, he gets rid of her without hesitation, remorse, or regret. The character Rhaenys obviously understands Men, knows her husband and knows his love is with her and no other. Which is why she chastised him for the treatment of his bastard son. She sees the face of the man she loves in the eyes of his child. Keywords “your mother must’ve been very beautiful (to have him stray)” It was also why Lord Velaryan refused to have his wife disrespected or humiliated in any way or by anyone.

@@vangu2918 You’ve missed the point entirely. Please do not project an autobiography upon my words. It’s extremely offensive and out of line. Where do you see anyone “commending him” ?

@@vangu2918Spare me. How is it the fault of the man whose father was unfaithful to his lawful wife?

Ned purposefully kept Cat in the dark which is why she disliked Jon, the majority of her dislike came from Ned's refusal to tell her who Jon's mother was. If you want to be angry at someone over that situation, blame Ned. I love Rhaenys as well but Catelyn had a normal emotional response to her husband cheating on her and forcing her to live with the product of his infidelity. Also it's a bit odd to dislike Cat over being mean to her husband's bastard but love Rhaenys who trampled multiple innocent people in the Dragonpit just to stare down the Greens.

The mighty Oakenfist 💪 one of my favorites later on in the book

Baela looks too young for him

they have to change it here he has no blood of the dragon he cant be a rider its ridiculous

Except here he's black, for some reason, LOL!

​@@JR47846 he doesn't end up with a dragon, his brother does. He still gets knighted , legitimized & becomes lord of the tides after corlys dies... & FYI he does have blood of the dragon in him coryls grandmother was a targaryen, coryls himself refuses to ride a dragon because his house is know for sailing

Different situation completely: This is Corly’s actual biological son, whereas, Ned Stark pretended that Jon Snow was his son to protect him from Robert Baratheon’s wrath if he’d found out that Jon was Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen were his parents.

​@@TheJabady Catelyn didn't know that. To her, it would have been just the same.

Rather the opposite really. Catelyn's husband openly claimed a bastard who actually wasn't his child. Rhaenys' husband hid a bastard who actually was.

​@@johncampbell631 Catelyn had to look at Jon, the proof her husband had cheated on her (from her point of view) growing up. While it's the first time Rhaenys see Alyn. She didn't had to live with her husband's bastard for years.

@@TheJabady I only meant this as a joke btw, but the point is that from Catelyn's perspective, she lived the rest of her life believing that Jon was Ned's biological son. So her reaction vs Rhaenys' reaction when finding out about the "bastard" son is what's being paralleled here.

You guys have Hillary the president who never was.

I would like to say that there’s a lot of factors that go into her arguably flawed decision making. The key one being that the three most important people in the entire war are there: The king, his hand and the prince regent. If she can kill Vhagar then the war is won. If she can seriously injure Vhagar then the war is won. And there might not be a better chance than now to get Vhagar because the Hightower host along with their forth dragon is on the March and their third dragon is still in kings landing with Halaena. So I can see why she decided to risk attacking them. Also meleys is an incredibly strong dragon and arguably could best Vhagar in a fair 1 on 1 however of course she is bested by a very sneaky Vhagar attack so maybe not. Plus I mean it’s pretty damning for the blacks’ war effort is their first battle ends with one of their strongest dragons running away (even if it is the best move tactically)

Realistically I think rhaenys knew she wasn't going to survive that fight, meleys may be the fastest dragon but she had also just gotten out of a fight with sunfyre meanwhile vhagar was well rested and didn't have any injuries. Meleys most likely would have exhausted herself trying to escape while also dodging any of vhagar’s attacks. At best I think Rhaenys was hoping to injure vhagar enough to incapacitate her so someone else could finish the job.

I think that while flawed, I believe that she believed even if she died hurting/maiming/killing Vhagar, at least, the war can be won for the Blacks and her family would be safe in her sacrifice.

In the books, Rhaenys didn’t know of Corlys’ bastards and she went to battle to protect her grandchildren, otherwise they would mount their dragons and fight themselves

I feel like none of this is worth the loss of life of family and of dragons. I would rather let that c$by just be king and still have my sons and all the other people and dragon that will be lost. Yes it’s not fair and infuriating but oh well.

And cold

Don't know bout cheat i mean his bastard son looks older than his legitimate child

but in this universe no one is faithful, that's just the way things were esp if you were a royal

her grieving over her "dead" son opened her eyes.

@@nomadhakunamatata5793 Laenor should be ASHAMED. All the pain he put his parents through so he could run away.

@@randomcenturion7264 I 100% agree

@@randomcenturion7264The damned, racist writers should be ashamed.

I mean just the last episode she wants to disinherit Rhaenyra's son from Driftmark. I don't really get the Rhaenys hype. She's all over the place as a character.

Not fair to Catelyn. Rhaenys only meet Corlys kids when they already adult, and it not cleat whatevers Corlys had them before his marriage. Catelyns was forced to watch her husband bring a kid knowing Ned cheated, and then let the kid grown in her house. She didn't have any choice.

Very different reactions indeed, but everyone deals with their emotions differently. Catelyn’s reaction to Jon wasn’t great but that’s an expected response from most people in that situation. There definitely are stepmoms who would’ve acted worse.

@@xuanqinglonghoney do yourself a favour and read the books. Show Catelyn is an angel. Book one is like a watered version of Cersei in the show(when it comes to Jon anyway).

blame ned, He was the real dick.

​@@OzgurAytan-yo8iy You will not be happy if your spouse cheated and made you raised that kid he/she had with someone else.

Their mother is a dragon seed herself so yes they are Coryls but they get the ability from their mother Miranda of hull.

​@Mcherri Really? I thought he was a dragon seed purely because of Corlys' Valyrian blood.

@@Krovos_ Not all Valyrians are dragonlords. House Velaryon, Celtigar and Qoherys do have Valyrian blood but they don't have the dragon blood. They cannot ride dragons. The only explanation would be their mother has it.

Even in the Fire & Blood, it's heavily implied they're Corlys' because understandably nobody believed that Laenor had a mistress who he sired two children with. Seems like the second Corlys saw the first Strong-Velaryon he decided to make some backups. As for the dragonrider ability, it's presumed that Marilda of Hull as a Targaryen bastard

@koonehkun6404 I know that. Only the notable Valyrian houses were Dragons Lords but surely that doesn't mean that they also can't become Dragon Lords also.

Huh? What's your issue with it?

@@Onigirli its only implied that alyn is corlys bastard son/dragonseed. thats not how you make video titles

The pain of losing their children

Plus after Luke’s death she really wanted one of her granddaughters to inherit driftmark and he denied her. I mean she was upset even when Luke was alive but she accepted because her blood would be on the iron throne and driftmark through her granddaughters marrying Jace and Luke.

She had constantly warned him about his ambition, he didn't hear her and ruined their children's happyness with bad marriages. They lost both of their children, he named Rhaenyra's bastards as heirs over their grandaughters out of ambition, left her for years to fight in the Stepstones nearly died there and aparently has been unfaithfull for some years. Many couples have begun to hate each other for much less, the fact that they were still on speaking terms and amicable is a miracle.

@@masterplokoon8803 exactly, corlys doesn't deserve our Queen

@@masterplokoon8803it never really matter because what rhaenyera proposed even if baela or rhaena were heirs of driftmark and married rhaenyera’s sons it still works either way so no I don’t think Coryls was necessarily wrong unfortunately this is just a bad war thanks to Otto, Alicent and viserys.

To hide his identity.

Yep

You can see it in episode 6!

In the book, Corlys claimed Alyn of Hull and his brother are Laenor's sons (bastard sons), BUT, we all know Laenor couldn't have children and was gay. Although the rumor is both Alyn and Addam are Corly's lowborn sons with Marida of Hull. I'm excited to see her actually (Corlys's lover, his other woman), she's allegedly, this shrewd business woman and a good sailor too.

@@tracys169 Thank you random nerd

​@@Nick-cy2tnbe nice! Esp when people are in 😔

​@@Nick-cy2tn hey us nerds are the ones who are really enjoying this show. Everyone else is lost and confused until they see a battle or a dragon flying 😂

@@Nick-cy2tn you're welcome fellow nerd

Yes

His son who also saved Corlys’ life during the War for the Step Stones

@THEINVISIBLEWARRIORRwell that was completely unnecessary

@THEINVISIBLEWARRIORR I know who else is a bastard as well. You could have answered his question without ruining the show for him.

@@skmkr5222 excellent use of the dual meaning.

he cheated

S p o i l e r Short answer: Yes. Longer answer: Still yes lol. Alyn of the Hull (and Addam, his younger brother) are the sons of Corlys with Marida of the Hull (a shrewd tradeswoman with multiple ships and a sailor herself). In the book, Corlys claimed that both Alyn and Addam are Laenor's sons (but it's a known thing that they're not, they're Corlys' love child(ren). Not trying to justify what Corlys did, many nobility in that era had arranged marriages. Most of the lord husbands have other women on the side (as well as um, 'natural children'). Corlys was not that different than these people. There were stretches of years when Corlys was busy at war (away from Driftmark, while Rhaenys stayed put to take care of business). Rhaenys obviously expected that Corlys might find some temporary respite (in this case, Marida of Hull, whom he has 2 sons with) for those years but she never quite bothered with it since you know, it was pretty much the 'norm' for the husbands to not stay monogamous...And true to the norm, Corlys didn't intermingle his trueborns with his .... 'lowborn' children. Heck, Rhaenys in the book, didn't even know their existence (allegedly). Rhaenys is pretty special/different since she actually encouraged Corlys to not hide his lowborn children, and to even raise them up. Meanwhile, Catelyn Stark didn't feel secure with Jon Snow, not because he's a 'bastard' but it's more because he was raised amongst the trueborns. Catelyn was fearful that one day, Jon would assasinate his own half-brothers and take over Winterfell. But she can't go against Eddard's wish to raise Jon in their household.

They’re rich, powerful men. They all cheat. Eventually.

He's leanor

​@Ron_Mcdon. He's leanor

What's her name

@@KellyAshuMarilda of hull

@@chandraray7798 okay thanks,because I read that marilda is daemon bastard daughter, the book says that he had a relationship with a shipman's wife, so is she a result of that? Also alyn and his brother could also be laenor's

The show universe is different from the books but Velaryons don't appear in the show. Black people are in westeros in the books but they're people of Summer Isles descent and some were minor characters. There were some black people in the Brave Companions in the books. There were also black people who were dancers at Joffrey's wedding. GOT did have black characters too as Grey Worm, Missandei, Xaro Xhoan Daxos, Salladhor Saan, Areo Hotah were black in the show. They weren't described that way in the books. So black characters didn't start in HOTD but we're in GOT. The black characters in the books don't appear in the show. Some characters like Chataya, Alayaya, Sarella Sand, Jalabhar Xo, Quhuru Mo, Kojja Mo, Moqorro and Brown Ben Plumm. Moqorro is a red priest who Tyrion meets and he plays a role in the last book. Alayaya is the daughter of Chataya and she was the one Cersei has beaten because she thinks Tyrion she is Tyrions whore and later on Bronn sleeps with her. Sarella Sand is one of the sand snakes so she is a daughter of Oberyn Martell. There are 8 sandsnakes in the books. The show only had 3 of them and they're better in the books, the show ruined them. Brown Ben Plumm said he is part Summer Islander and he is from House Plumm who also have Targaryen Blood in them. Fire and Blood has a character called nettles who is described as brown. She is part of the Dance of the Dragons so we don't know if HOTD will show her as she hasn't been confirmed yet. So yes, black people exist in both the shows and books. You need to rewatch GOT as I listed black characters in GOT. They're definitely there.

@@SorceressWitch No. The only reason why there is a black actor in every shot of this shit show is BlackRock. And the only reason this is enforced on a social level is people like you.

There's a Summer Islander Prince named Jalabhar Xho who's in King Robert's court and is still alive in the main book series. Also there's two Black dudes in Danaerys council. "Brown" Ben Plum who Danaerys dragons take a liking and would fly on his shoulders to sit. He said it's because he's part Valaryion, summer islander and Dothraki. Also when Jamie and Brienne are caught by the Brave Companions, there'd at least one Summer Islander/Black guy with them. Also the sailors who shipped Danaerys from Pentos to Mireen were summer Islanders. Black people are in the story. You just have to read the books

@@wayne47able The only reason why there is a black dude in every shot of this shit show is because of BlackRock. Stop living in delusion. Are you working for them?

Your comment means you haven't read the books. SMH

Apparently, you haven't read the books.

What past had dragons lol

@@tyler-hp7oq in a medieval europe fantasy

Can you say racists?

Jesus Christ shut up

Cry about it bum

Cry about it

@@_NoluvNot going to, just disgusted by the producers' racism.

​@_antillas8674, you just cried about it 😂

@@_antillas8674 cry more