In meantime, daemon got high from harrenhal VR

Wait seriously

@@stephenolotu5588 yeah did you not read/watch it?

@@stephenolotu5588 Viserys and Daemon's parents (Alyssa & Baelon).

@@stephenolotu5588 Yup. They belonged to Viserys and Daemon's parents. Vhagar belonged to Prince Baelon the Brave while Meleys was mounted by Princess Alyssa Targaryen.

This makes it so much worse 😭

Same❤

my thoughts exactly 😰

Yes, but also bad writting. How should Vhagar hide right under the cliffs flying in full speed, unseen while beeing much bigger and less agile? It felt off how Meleys got killed. Like: I would neither have thought about such an impossible ambush, not counting in the enemies plot armor and all...

Yes. 💔😭😭😭👸👑🐲❤🔥

💔💔💔

can not wait for the Battle of the God´s eye. Presuming they do not change it in the show.

Ну блииин ваши слова аж до слез задели ❤😢😭

Mine too this devastated me. Idk why I'm even here rewatching it like it won't break my heart over again.

I think that dragons dont actually really care about other dragons, they probably care mostly about their rider only , seems like dragons basically become their riders trough some magic bond

vhagar was better. Actually, it was dumb they even showed Meleys having a fighting chance.

one of my favorite dragons in the show :( Im going to hate the hightowers soo much because of them disrespecting Meleys like this later in ep 5, but I am going to console myself with the fact that Vhagar and Aemonds death is going to be soo satisfying when it finally happens :D

@@nicholasbourcier Well it was stated in the books Meleys DID stand a chance against Vhagar by herself, but with Sunfyre there death was certain. The show changed things slightly but canon wise she at least had a shot.

You are correct but Sunfyre did burn Meleys a bit and who knows if the other lesser skilled dragons and riders can match Vhagar? What if Vhagar blows up Rhenyra or they do freindly fire? Too much Risk! Even if Vhagar dies it will take down atleast 3 dragons with it.

She knew flying off to battle that there was a chance she wouldn't return. All warriors do.

Syrax may have been of some help, but the other two would have been useless against Vhaegar, they are far too small.

@@nategraham6946 Only need one to snatch Aemond off the back!

@@CordlessJet549 In theory I would agree. But we have seen Vhaegar being surprisingly quick at snatching other dragons.

Vhagar was also Daemon's father's dragon

Vhagar is too old to apply the tactics but it has tactics that’s why it was survived a larger time in the battles.

Vhagar is the oldest and largest dragon left in the series for a reason, so contrary to what people wanna believe, she has skills. She has the brute force of size, the experience that comes with age, and also an understanding that both size and age don’t make her as agile. So how does she substitute? The same way aging predators do: ambush tactics. Caraxes and Daemon are a unique pair in that Caraxes has an abnormal physique for a dragon and Daemon is well… Daemon. They’re a devastating pair.

Stealth is a skill y’all don’t understand this

@@shizu2531 Vhagar maybe secretly plays with Skyrim

Yess

It's from the books, i don't know why in GOT Daenerys don't have the saddle

She learned to ride horses with her late husband so she was skilled to hang on

@@user-ho5rz2up3bher ass is battle hardened

​@AmiWhiteWolf that is really, REALLY not the same. She could have fallen off anytime when she rode them. The fact that she didn't is just bad writing. You cannot hold on with your puny hands on a dragon that is speeding up.

Facts

That's now how it happened in the books though, the two dragons teamed up on her

Und meleys war erschöpft und müde😢. Sie hätte gegen vahgar keine Chance gehabt 😢

There was alot of sand and smoke on the ground which could of given vhagar some cover to do a sneak attack, similar to how crocs ambush their prey, especially if she shot fire at her. But it still happened anyway due to vhagar’s experience and aemonds tactics

​@@schoolofgrowthhacking I hate showmakers when they change a part like this, she just spared Aemond when she knocked her to the ground, how the fuck Vhagar got behind of the castle, she literally couldve retreated to safety who tf was gonna catch the fastest drake in the realm 200 years old Vhagar ? SO MANY MISTAKES in single fight boom version is clearly better.

Nah , the next dragon battle will be in the finale of the next season , they mostly fought on land and sea . Blacks had the Tullys , Blackwoods , Arryns and the Greyjoy , Velaryon fleet . Greens had the Lannisters , Baratheons , Brackens , Hightower and the Redwyne fleet plus the Triarchy . They were even

Imagine being this stupid. The whole point of the story is practically slapping you in the face and you still miss it. Also, by that argument, we could say that this whole war is due to Arrax (whose fire attack on Vhagar, which Lucerys hadn't ordered, provoked Vhagar).

Nah... Up until Danny resurrected her 3 dragons with Blood Magic in the Game of Thrones, all of the dragons were extinct. That should tell you everything you need to know about being "even."

We are going to ignore that Daeron and Tessarion go with the Hightower army, we are also going to ignore the Lannister army and Baratheon. Rhaenyra's army is scattered and Daemon has not yet built it. While Criston already has a larger army. Team Black are losing the war and it's not just because of vaghar. They are fools lacking military tactics. If they wanted to win they should hurry up to build the queen's army instead of wasting time.

Arrax fired first.

This is very true and Rhaenys didn't saw it at all. It's like a plane just goes unnoticed behind a castle....

Vhagar is so big that she can probably sort of thrust herself that high sort of like a cobra.

She took to much time to return and there was a wall of smoke that hid Vhagar and the castle wasn't that far from her. What I wonder is how Vhagar took flight so fast, Maybe it was on the clift behind the castle, flying.

Vhagar maxxed stealth

@@danteabaddon even if there's a lot of smoke, the flapping of vhagars wings alone can clear up the smoke in no time

*Vhagar

Think from the point of Rhaenys.... 1)first of all she don't want to fly back to dragon stone like a coward. 2)She may feel that revenge for Lucerys that she controlled. 3) She came came to help the lord of Rook's Rest.(Still green's army and Vhagar is there. 4)Even if she went back to dragon stone in that situation....Vhagar may follow them back to dragon stone... There is Syrax, Vermax and Moon dancer and they are no match for Vhagar.. 5)Daemon and Caraxes are not there.... It is like pulling her other family members to the war immediately and it will be a total distruction of her house and her place......... If they fall, It will be a victory for Greens 6)She may think about her husband and love lord Corlys Valarion too......... He must be safe there... 7) All the council members of black council are there Dragon stone.. if they died... They may lose some of their allies

@@jithinraj1830 1) As I said, it was a brave, but poor choice. The only thing that matters in war is winning. 2) To get her revenge, she should have flown to King's Landing with Daemon as Daemon (correctly) suggested in the first episode. 3) She helped a lot. Ironically, by falling with her dragon on the castle walls, she ended up opening a breach that further helped the Greens win the siege. 4) Vhagar had no reason to follow. For all Aemond knew, in Dragonstone there could be other 4 dragon riders waiting for him. The whole point of his strategy was to take Rook's Rest to prevent the Blacks from landing on the continent, then leave for Harrenhal to gather more forces. Nothing more, nothing less. 5) Daemon and Caraxes were not there, so ... ? They could join forces later on.

​​@@davideiceman Their objective was to lure out a black dragon and kill it and not just take the castle! Vhagar would have burnt everything and utterly destroyed the castle anyways. The greens have an army but no ships so next they would go to harrenhall to cut off the other allies of blacks! If Rhenys backs down to Dragonstone, Vhagar the largest dragon could definately catch the dragon stone dragons and riders off-guard and it would be a time before they take flight! None of the other smaller dragons could stand a chance against Vhagar or do any damage to it, Even the riders were inexperienced. If syrax and Rhenyra went to battle, Aemond would do his best to target her. Vhagar is 2 times the size of any other dragon and can take on both syrax and Meleys effectively! Vhagar would utterly destroy dragonstone killing the blacks. If vhagar didn't follow Meleys to Dragonstone then it would be a good one, but Criston and Aemonds plan both in the books and the show was to lure out a Black dragon and take it down, so i doubt He (Aemond) will give Up Meleys so easily after the King fell and would not go empty handed. Rhenys didnt want to be a coward and tried to use her speed to damage Vhagar but she was ambushed

@@samanyupalthi My point is that Aemond would have never pursued Meleys to Dragonstone. If Aemond thought he could go straight to Dragonstone and kill the Blacks one by one, catching them by surprise, Cole and Aemond wouldn't have bothered to organize the ambush in the first place. Rhaenys could simply fly to Dragonstone and reach it safely - which was the smart thing to do. She didn't, and she was killed for it.

Thank you. I kept thinking if she just bailed after slamming Vhagar down into the ground and either A) came back with Rhenyra and Jace or B) just left, the blacks more or less win the engagement. They lose a small shore-side fort but the king, a good chunk of Cole's army and A FUCKING DRAGON are decimated. It tactically makes NO sense to continue fighting at all past Sunfyre's fall, but she really should have immediatelly bailed after the first skirmish with Vhagar. Especially since Daemon told her himself thathe needs her and it will take both Caraxes AND Meleys to kill Vhagar.

So happy to see more people saying this. As if we use 747s for stealth bombing 😂😂😂

It's not unbelievable at all, imo. Most large predators use ambush tactics, since they can't actively pursue nimbler prey. Lions, bears and sharks are huge, and it's frightening how well they can hide. It's really not crazy to suppose Vhagar, an ancient war dragon, would be a cunning hunter. Striking from above or below, hiding behind obstacles and minimizing noise while flying are all tactics you'd expect from a highly intelligent predator.

@@samg.5165 in this scene it was very unbelievable :D c'mon how did she even have time? Vhagar is supposed to be super,super heavy and thanks to that very slow and clumsy :D

@@HK-gm8pe I don't want to overanalyze the scene, but here I go. Meleys was leaving, then turned back to search for the other dragon through a huge cloud of smoke. At that point, Rhaenys was looking in every direction (including up at the clouds), meaning that she expected Vhagar might already be in the air. Vhagar didn't have to be the first to get up, nor did she need to be faster than Meleys. She only needed to glide low behind the cliffside until her prey flew into her trap (or simply left). I'll admit the timing was very (un)lucky, and Vhagar was in a near-perfect position to strike, but much weirder things have happened in this show.

She didn’t know that. To leave vhagar like that is to give her the chance to follow her home. If she does that its game over for the blacks

​@@XxDeathxX509bro I don't know what you thinking, if Vhagar comes to Dragonstone, it's game over for Greens. Rhaenyra doesn't want to commit her sons for the battle against Vhagar, but if Vhagar comes anyway, they will also go fight. That means there will be too many dragons, Vhagar will have her hands full trying to deal with Meleys while syrax nips at its heels. Aemond is dead guaranteed and Vhagar probably brings down one or two dragons before it also goes down from the wounds Meleys and Syrax inflict on it. That means Daemon will have Caraxes free, and the Greens only have Dreamfyre and Tessarion. Dreamfyre is useless since Heleana hasn't recover mentally and Caraxes will eat Tessarion for Breakfast. Aegon will take too long to heal up, Daemon would have taken out the Green armies. By the end, Aegon is finished.

There's always a dragon out there bigger then Vhagar.

@@chriswood1210 your mom doesn't count

​@@chriswood1210and they're all dead though.

Not bad for over 180 years old lol

I was thinking about it frankly!

Meleys was the most experienced together with Caraxes. She should have listened to Daemon and attack together. Vhagar would be dead and battle would be as good as won. But i respect her bravery.

She just became a martyr for Rhaenyra's cause

They changed the fight from the source material. After Aegon and Sunfyre went down, she should have 100% went back. That would have given her a chance to team up with Deamon & Caraxes. In the books, once the fight started... there was no way for her to get away. All three dragons fell at once, only Vhagar got up unscathed. They changed it to where Aegon was taken out with no damage to Meleys... you 100% go back to Dragonstone after that.

It’s a shame for the lord in Rook’s Rest but Rhaenys already basically won the war by taking out Aegon. So I agree she should’ve left. I seriously think however that we’re supposed to interpret Rhaenys as very honourable and that she won’t abandon an ally no matter how irrelevant to the overall war they are. It’s also why she didn’t take out all the greens and start the war in season 1. She just doesn’t do underhanded things.

Can you think of another way to rally the troops. Just like Colsons death got the Avengers together

99% of people didn't notice that vhagar broke Meleys leg when she grabbed her. I've been trying to point it out on other channels to make people aware of it. Vhagar tried to drag meleys down to the ground, knowing meleys would be unable to take flight again with her broken leg.

Good spot. I didn't notice that, but you can see its dangling and kind of floppy

Вдвоем они бы спокойно убили её и Эймонда, даже в соло Деймон справился

​@@hlzaa421 Difficult, he admits he won't be able to take vhagar down on his own

Vermithor is my favorite for sure

Vermithor was a let down in Fire and blood

You saw what the rookie did

She is idiot then 😂

Жаль что Деймона с Караксесом не было рядом! Очень жаль Караксес разорвал бы ему крылья!

What if he doesn't? what if they decide to do something different from fire and blood.

​@kylemma33 nah they're going to follow the books bc they know how season 8 of GOT turned out. Stick to the script and give the fans what they want

That won’t be till season 4 probably the beginning of

Cringe

She should've just withdraw and get a back up.

she should call for reinforcement (Syrax). They stood better chance if it was 2v1

I mean, can you blame them? These are as close to gods that they can see with their own eyes. Now, I'm not saying dragons are gods per se, but the soldiers are still human, after all. They would be awed by this. Completely. In a way, it's similar to armies stopping to watch two champions fight. There are even examples of that happening in history.

Green didn't come out unscathed, Aegon especially became useless after this battle that is if even he survived

​@@AnakinGozie77 The army was shrunk too and the defeat of the King in the first ever dragon battle he faught wont do him any good! Thats why as shown in the trailer, they are parading Meleys to rise morale and to give Aegon the kill.