How 922(r) Affects SKS Owners

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A discussion on 18 USC 922(r) and how it applies to private ownership of SKS pattern carbines in the United States.
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0:00 Intro
0:20 Disclaimers
1:22 Understanding 922(r)
6:36 Applying 922(r)
15:10 Does 922(r) Matter?
17:52 Outro
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@jeremiahjohnson3018 11 ай бұрын

I have to imagine the only reason the SKS is under scrutiny is because of it's popularity and the ability to accept a detachable box magazine.

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

I agree. It’s drives me crazy because with a little ingenuity, *anything* can accept a detachable box magazine. Its just that such magazines are readily available for the SKS.

@jrwatkins3872 11 ай бұрын

Still a relevant defensive carbine.

@daleeasternbrat816 10 ай бұрын

@@jrwatkins3872 Darth Vader wouldn't be caught carrying Anything that looks like an SKS. It's not high tech looking. The people who want to Disarm everyone don't like Any firearm that is really useful. They don't like the SKS just because it is useful. They want this country disarmed and have just realized that it Ain't Happening. Hell, this country is much better armed because of them. People go out and Buy the same exact guns they want to ban. Gun Control is a Sales Campaign! The best salesman are the Gun Ban People! Prohibition, Metrification The 55 MPH Speed Limit and Gun Control all fell victim to the American People's Middle Finger. Why is that Middle Finger so effective? Because we keep it Right Next to our Trigger Finger. This Ain't Australia. See The Difference?

@ROBERTMORAN-mv7eq 11 ай бұрын

Hey Tri 26, It's funny to me but I had to stop the video a couple of times just to make sure I understood what you were saying. I'm turning 65 next week, and things like listening all of a sudden isn't so clear, as it was 3 years ago. I enjoyed the video as usual, and It's amazing the stuff people really need to be aware of and not just blow things off. There are a lot of us SKS lovers out here and appreciate your knowledge and commitment for what you do. Thanks again.

@jerdog333 11 ай бұрын

Mr. Triangle 26, I can listen to you read lists of SKS parts all night! Haha. Thanks for this info! Really good to know

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

Much appreciated, friend!

@petermonck5448 11 ай бұрын

Excellent presentation 👏 Thanks 👍🙏😎

@MCsempfi 11 ай бұрын

Love your channel man!! Extremely informative on all SKS varieties. Please please please get a microphone for your shirt collar! I have a hard time hearing your videos alot of times while im working... Regardless, keep the info coming in! Love it!!

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

Roger that. I’ve gotten that feedback a few times, but this time I placed the order. Shouldn’t be a problem moving forward!

@whspioneer89 11 ай бұрын

Another great video.

@chuckmiller5763 11 ай бұрын

SKS is a great deer and hog rifle.

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

Sure is! Lots of guys I know took their first deer with an SKS.

@hoffmiermp 11 ай бұрын

Killed quite a few woodchucks with one back in the day under 200 yards.

@damnyankeerebelprepper1324 11 ай бұрын

Aside from the short length of pull, nothing wrong with standard configuration. It's a good rifle.

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

Absolutely. It's certainly my favorite configuration!

@dawsonschmidt3714 11 ай бұрын

Educational, informative, thank you law abiding citizen triangle 26. Now what to do about the true criminals in this country.

@user-wb7ez9ud4p Ай бұрын

It doesn't benefit the policy makers, no profit, no incentive 🤣

@stevezio99 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for this information. Have heard about 922r for years but never really understood it. As someone who never altered my sks's this should not affect me. That being said recently I have purchased gun smith special sks's and it is good to know what I can or should do if I replace broken or missing parts with US made parts.

@PinChE_LoCo 11 ай бұрын

Thank you brother.

@joesotelo9905 11 ай бұрын

Excellent Video and explanation, considering the subject and its twist and turns. Been a viewer/subscriber from way back. I don't remember if you ever told us anything a regarding this question I have. Can you explain to us the meaning of the Bear picture and the Corn Cobs.

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for supporting the channel, it means a lot. The bear: Honestly, I just really like bears. That particular picture was a graduation gift from my parents. The corn: A few years back I had the opportunity to participate in a Navajo corn harvest, it was a really cool experience, and they sent me home with some “strung corn”. It’s a great memory, and a nice regional symbol for the “Four Corners” area where I am from. No connection to the channel, just decorations that were already in my home that I used to try and spruce up the “set”!

@joesotelo9905 11 ай бұрын

@@Triangle26 Awesome, Thank you so much for taking the time to reply and sharing that. Four Corners, nice I'm in Phx. Your knowledge on the SKS is mind blowing. Thanks again for making these videos.

@moothemagiccow7923 11 ай бұрын

Cut n paste... "Awesome video as always"

@mikewithers299 11 ай бұрын

This for the Al Gore Rhythm. This is for Triangle 26. Awesome info. Im glad i kept my 59/66a1 original. Too many hoops to jump thru. Its all entrapment but they are the law, we are the peasants

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@keithheinz1724 11 ай бұрын

Amen brother.

@luked2767 Ай бұрын

922R is only for rifles being SOLD that hold over 10 rounds, it's why I like that zastava sells barreled receivers with no US parts, a semi AL trigger that's tuned is great and cheaper. Put on some milsurp wood, handgrip, nuzzle break and surplus mags. For example if I get something like a wasr or arsenal I'm going to buy a romy/bulgy FGC,piston, piston pin, muzzle device and surplus or imported furniture. US made FCGs don't play nice with an AK but a surplus with a tune and a spot if welding to get a short reset will be the best of all. New Romy wood is awful and I like laminated wood, I only want to use surplus mags. I did hear 1 guy got convicted but he made an open boot semi sten that could have been readily convertible. Posted about it and they slapped it on as an extra. The amount of rofrearm parts made outside the US is high even in ARs The rule only applies as I'm sure manufacturers wanted protection from imports. Unless you have or are doing a proper AK mag conversion it does not apply, don't even bother with the tapconstyle duckbil mags. Invest in smooth stripper clips and learn how to bottom load. With old used SKS rifles lasting forever it just goes to show how good chrome lining can make all the difference same with CHF barrels. If I have a rifle in a millitary calibersx unless the original or modern version does not have it then I demand it every time. Corrosive primers are much more reliable and can be stored for a very long time but even if not having a chrome lined CHF barrels is just so nicex I even prefer them on pistols also but not many have them. Not s fan of nitride and the US is one of the very few nations that uses button rifling more than CHF.

@xfirehurican 11 ай бұрын

Well explained! ☆☆☆☆☆ Sorta-kinda-but-not-wholly related. Is an Albanian bolt carrier: a) interchangeable with and, b) capable of functioning perfectly fine on a Russian or Chinese SKS?

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

Short answer: yes to all. The Albanian rifles were actually designed by the Chinese on request, and were designed to be issued alongside Type 56 Carbines. Aside from the furniture, the uniquely profiled Albanian components (carrier, firing pin, magazine, bayonet) were intended to be backwards compatible. There are even a few examples of mixed Chinese/Albanian guns in military service. Long answer: Albanian tolerances seem to be the loosest of all manufacturers, and sometimes the when mixing parts tolerances can stack just the wrong way. Cross compatibility is 100% in theory, but probably more like 95% in reality.

@xfirehurican 11 ай бұрын

@Triangle26 Many thanks for the detailed response. I have a spare Albanian carrier that I'll drop in one of my #'s matching Type 56's; give it a go at the range - and see how well it performs. (Hold harmless. It's on me!)

@brassferret7511 7 ай бұрын

love your videos Your knowledge is amazing, although age 79, I sometimes get overwhelmed by the scope and scale of your information. Let me ask a question about my SKS. It was imported about 30 years ago with the blade bayonet unattached. Now, if I understand your dating scheme correctly (I believe it to be a Letter Series gun), it was made in 1959, rendering it over 50 years old and thus placing it in the C&R category. Does that mean that I can now LEGALLY install the blade bayonet on the gun without running afoul of the ATF? Many thanks for your assistance.

@Triangle26 7 ай бұрын

Yes sir. It's a bit complicated - but the short version is that your rifle is 100% legal with or without the bayonet installed. Both configurations are exempt from 922(r). If the bayonet *is* installed, your rifle is in the configuration it was in at the time of manufacture (50+ years ago), and is therefor a C&R item. If the bayonet *is not* installed, your rifle is in the configuration it was in at the time of importation, and is therefor a "pre ban" item. I hope that makes sense. Let me know if it does not and I'll be happy to try and make it more clear. Either way - the takeaway is that based on the information provided, you can absolutely install your bayonet without running afoul of any US Federal Law.

@brassferret7511 7 ай бұрын

@@Triangle26Thank you so much for your assistance! May I abuse your good nature one more time and ask you if I'm really dealing with a Letter Series SKS here? I actually have THREE such guns, all imported around 1992, with serial numbers I51xx, L31xx and L37xx. The "I" and the "L" characters are not exactly perfectly formed as you would see them in the English Alphabet, but they certainly don't look like Chinese characters to me. And I don't think the letters are some kind of import prefix either. All three guns have matching numbers throughout, blade bayonets, the extended barrel lug feature and the 9 o'clock rear sling swivels that you described in your SKS dating video. However, I don't see any lightening cuts, although I'm not quite sure what to look for in that regard. So, are these actually Letter Series SKS's dating to 1959, as your dating video suggests, or is this an instance in which I'm being a bit too optimistic here? Thank you very much for your time and consideration.

@Triangle26 7 ай бұрын

@@brassferret7511 Based on that description, I have high confidence that the three rifles you are describing are indeed “letter series”. Thats a pretty specific combination of traits, and it would be *extremely* unusual to see any rifle meeting that description that did not also have lightening cuts. I think the most likely explanation is that the lightening cuts are present. I have a video called “Relative Quality of SKS Pattern Carbines (Part 3) - Chinese” which has some good pictures showing exactly the lightening cuts I am referring to. That comment is linked at the bottom of this comment, and the relevant section begins at the 10:25 mark. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sMmVdNWm3bfSaI0.htmlsi=AZTp6KSOsz4c8y6t

@brassferret7511 7 ай бұрын

@@Triangle26 I viewed the provided link. Thoroughly enjoyed it, too. It enabled me to confirm that my three rifles have the specified lightening cuts. Your other videos enabled me to verify that all of the other features that must be present to qualify the rifles as Letter Series rifles are in place also. I'm overjoyed to confirm this, and deeply grateful for your expertise and assistance. You "done good". And you have no idea how much I appreciate it. Thank you VERY much!

@toska3528 11 ай бұрын

Imagine if the ATF expanded 922(r) to include ammunition as an offending feature? Like, if they can't outright federally ban the use of 30-round magazines, what if they just made it so if you use more than 10-rounds of foreign import in your gun it would be a violation? Would you be shocked if such an idea was officially floated?

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

Dang - you gotta be careful throwing ideas like that around, they might just shoot you a job offer…

@toska3528 11 ай бұрын

@@Triangle26 lmao

@mikewithers299 11 ай бұрын

I say use 5 American rounds of 7.62 and 5 import rounds so you are compliant

@toska3528 11 ай бұрын

@@mikewithers299 what if the ATF considered the 2nd Amendment and offending feature to 922(r)?

@mikewithers299 11 ай бұрын

@@toska3528 I will consider atf an offending government. Oh wait, I already do 🤣🤣

@toddsevey4789 11 ай бұрын

Mine are all #,s matching 1956 ghost variant 5 digit serial # and a 1972 also all matching no modifications done i believe this new bill doesn't affect me they are %100 stock if im wrong pleas let me know so I can have a boat accident thank you

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

It's not a new bill, and no it does not affect either of your rifles. They are both exempt due to Curio and Relic status, you are good to go.

@toska3528 11 ай бұрын

I would like to know why my 1950 Tula SKS-45 can comfortably fit 11-rounds of 7.62×39MM in it's stock box magazine when it's only supposed to fit 10. Is this an inherent design feature with 1950 Tula's, is it a worn out spring?

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

I’ve seen that before. It is not specific to early Tula’s, it can be observed on pretty much any example. Sometimes it’s a sign of a worn spring, sometimes it’s a sign that the magazine isn’t seated properly, and sometimes it’s just the way the tolerances stack together. If you can fit 11 in the magazine with the bolt back, thats not terribly unusual. If you can fit 11 in the mag and still drop the bolt on the twelfth, that’s more concerning. Either way, if it runs reliably it’s probably fine.

@EricDodsonLectures 11 ай бұрын

Not to belabor the obvious... but how is all of this fixation on "sporting purposes" relevant to maintaining "the security of a free State," as described in the 2nd Amendment?

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

Terrific question. To continue to belabor the obvious: it doesn't. It directly undermines the explicit legislative intent of the 2nd Amendment.

@TheMedicOfficer 11 ай бұрын

You look like Chet the Goodsprings General Store shopkeeper from Fallout: New Vegas.

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

Had to look it up. You aren’t wrong, lol.

@mikewagers4512 7 ай бұрын

i have an old chinese sks. i was thinking about adding a synthetic stock. a scope. and removing the front sight. maybe add a muzzle break of some kind. ive been researching if it will still be compliant with 922 but still having a problem understanding all the regulations. i think the sks is the best semiauto ever built an like to dress mine up a little but dont want to break any rules.

@Triangle26 6 ай бұрын

Totally understandable. It is quite unfortunate that the laws are so abstract and impractical, because it is *much* easier to break these rules than it is to remain in compliance with them. As I mention in the video, generally if you change even one feature of your rifle, you will need to change quite a few other features as well - if your goal is to remain in compliance with this historically unenforced (yet very real) law.

@PinChE_LoCo 11 ай бұрын

Well said about the U.S. government. It's a shame we are all cowards to our duty.😅

@Rayven-gi3os 11 ай бұрын

I can safely say I’ve never and will never complied with 922r Granted I’m not an American but the non compliant sentiment is still there

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

Lol! It warms my heart to imagine the BATF pounding dirt, realizing that there are firearm owners they have no power over.

@Rayven-gi3os 11 ай бұрын

@@Triangle26 my collection (that has tripled in size because of you) is safe from the pooch poachers lol

@bigtrev761 10 ай бұрын

🇦🇺😎👍Great interesting content

@theoriginalOSOK 2 ай бұрын

I am completely in compliance with the law. FJB and FBATFE

@robertcassick8614 2 ай бұрын

What rifle is above your flag? I like it! My brother was with the 101st airborne in nam. 68 to 70

@christhejunglist 6 ай бұрын

Random question, Is the barrel threaded/unthreaded under the YUGO muzzle devise?

@Triangle26 5 ай бұрын

Yes! Threaded 14x1 RH.

@MaverickCompany 11 ай бұрын

Whew ok so does changing just the stock on something CNR do anything? How about changing the stock and adding a red dot?

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

Both of those things would technically negate Curio and Relic status, unfortunately.

@victorracel4140 10 ай бұрын

But but youtube legal council is best council

@ronlafitte6864 11 ай бұрын

I have a Chinese SKS that is all original. Can it be used as a home defense weapon?

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

According to US Federal Law? Absolutely. Your State & Municipal laws may vary.

@paperman9708 11 ай бұрын

What about the SKS-M or D?

@Cokehead_Drug_Addict_Zelensky 11 ай бұрын

First off, the SKS is fine without installing a bunch of goofy plastic parts. Secondly, there has been a grand total of *ONE* person charged with a 922(r) violation in the entire history of the law. It was the guy who owned Stag Arms who got caught making illegal full-auto guns and they just decided to throw that one at him, as well. I wouldn't waste even 2 seconds worrying about this dumb law.

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

Unlike the Federal Government (and you, apparently) - I am not in the business of telling people what they should or should not do with their firearms. This viewer-requested video explains what the law says, nothing more. What people do with that information is their business, not yours or mine.

@robblinnbailey583 11 ай бұрын

It doesn't matter what the law says if it's never been enforced/unenforceable. Why bother wasting your breath "informing" the viewer that asked if it has 0 bearing

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

@@robblinnbailey583 Why bother? 4K views in 10 days. 99.6% like to dislike ratio. Dozens of positive comments and new subscribers. Enough ad revenue to pay for a family meal out. Thanks for your your feedback.

@robblinnbailey583 11 ай бұрын

@@Triangle26" I make money from thing therefore I smart and knowledgeable" I will check back on your channel in 6 months when you're getting 500 views per video

@Cokehead_Drug_Addict_Zelensky 11 ай бұрын

@@robblinnbailey583 This is the type of video that insufferable Reddit users will refer to when lecturing you about why you deserve a 10 year federal prison sentence for taking the cheap and ugly plastic Tapco mag out of your AK build and replacing it with a surplus Bakelite one.

@The_Warrior526 11 ай бұрын

That's why my Saiga has Tapco parts. That being said I replaced the Tapco Birdcage with my Tapco Slot muzzle brake. lol.

@daleeasternbrat816 10 ай бұрын

It's not like this is a safety, crime or Law Enforcement issue. What it is, is a Banana Peel people slip on when they don't know it's there. Obscure and unknown laws like this should be repealed or amended . This kind of law does not save lives or make streets any more safe. The useful purpose is? I am more than inclined to "keep my GM car All GM!"

@Triangle26 10 ай бұрын

I agree.

@sidviscous5959 7 ай бұрын

maybe we should bring back bayonet charges . . . just sayin' . . . they're excitin'

@MaverickCompany 11 ай бұрын

🤫

@mistermediocre1566 11 ай бұрын

OMG after Canada failed to ban SKS, it's US's turn...

@keithagn 11 ай бұрын

The SKS will be banned soon up here in Canada. Bill C-21 will soon be passed by the Senate. The Liberals have a majority there, as well as in the House of Commons

@AxelReyes-bl9fz 11 ай бұрын

THANKS AGAIN BROTHER.👍🇺🇸🇵🇷🐘

@TacticalXmen 11 ай бұрын

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@ishnifusmeadle 7 ай бұрын

Geez. Poke the bear hahah

@mococaboy17 11 ай бұрын

922r is unenforceable

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

In many cases, but certainly not always. There are literally thousands of videos on KZfaq in which American citizens identify themselves, and then explicitly detail the assembly of 922R non-compliant firearms. In some cases they literally go part by part, and include footage of assembly. If the ATF ever decided to enforce 922R, it would be extremely easy for them to prosecute such people. Again I am not telling anyone what to do, but simply pointing out that "unenforceable" and "historically unenforced" are not the same thing.

@thomaskent4816 8 ай бұрын

hey dude first of all you say your not a lawyer but just by your use of the english language alone you should be complaments aside can you explain c&r rules when we can purchase 50 year old weapens only and yet we can puchase a cz 82 which we all know is made in 1982?

@Triangle26 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. You ask a great question, and I'll do my best to give you a good answer: A firearm *does not* need to be 50 years old to receive C&R classification. That is just a catch-all rule, which automatically gives C&R status to every firearm 50 or more years old. Now, the ATF also publishes a "C&R List" (linked at bottom of post), which includes a few firearms which they have determined to be C&R eligible, despite not yet being 50 years old. These selections are fairly arbitrary, but the intention was to recognize that some newer firearms are of primary interest to collectors, rather than intended for sporting or defensive use. The CZ-82 is one of the firearms the ATF has specifically listed on that published list (Page 9). In summary, if a firearm is 50 or more years old, it automatically receives C&R status, and *does not* need to appear on the ATF's published list. If a firearm is not 50 years old, yet primarily appeals to collectors, it *may* have C&R status, however it *must* be listed by name on that ATF document. I hope that helped! www.atf.gov/file/128116/download

@mrtreezz8251 11 ай бұрын

bro i bet you $5 that you stand on that couch (shoes on) when you hang them rifles

@ROBERTMORAN-mv7eq 11 ай бұрын

I'll bet 10 bucks he doesn't !

@Triangle26 11 ай бұрын

😂

@mrtreezz8251 11 ай бұрын

@@Triangle26 btw, love the content ,my guy. very informative.

@chrisferrell6159 6 ай бұрын

A sks without a magazine isn't a complete firearm . The floor plate of a magazine is a compliance part. I have heard that you can weld a yugo grenade launcher to it's barrel. When it's 1 peirce it's supposed to be 1 barrel. Us made magazine aren't that bad. Promag is good. Metal or plastic. Find what works for you.