HOW AIRLINERS BECOME MILITARY TRANSPORTS- The Evolution of Military Aircraft and Civilian Airliners

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Celebrating Aviation with Mike Machat

Celebrating Aviation with Mike Machat

Күн бұрын

Military airplanes have been adapted as commercial airliners throughout history and visa versa. This video shows ten aircraft that ultimately changed aviation history, many of which are still flying today!
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@bosoerjadi2838
@bosoerjadi2838 2 жыл бұрын
I realised why Mike's presentations are so special among almost all KZfaq aviation channels. They usually tell a story and at best try to make the pictures somewhat relate to that story. Mike tells us a themed story based on his personal knowledge and experience, revolving around the pictures he shows AND he explains what we see on each picture and what makes that picture interesting.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the great comment, thanks!
@donaldstanfield8862
@donaldstanfield8862 2 жыл бұрын
@@Knight6831 Great info, thank you!
@Slickboot21
@Slickboot21 2 жыл бұрын
If only we could get UFO coverage like this. : )
@kennethcrowther2277
@kennethcrowther2277 2 жыл бұрын
@@Knight6831 of course the Lockheed L1011 Tristar tanker transport wasn't a British plane, although admittedly they were the only ones to use a military variant, which I guess is what you meant. I like your comparisons between British ideas as they related to aircraft the US produced. One slight correction: the RNZAF did fly the Bristol Freighter as a military transport and supply drop aircraft, and Safe Air of New Zealand also operated them as civil transports, so the Br.170 did see service both ways.
@mikejeffrey3706
@mikejeffrey3706 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact...The Royal Canadian Air Force was the first air force in the world to use jet powered transports with the Comet 1.🇨🇦
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Great point, thanks!
@donaldstanfield8862
@donaldstanfield8862 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome, I've never even heard that!
@ddegn
@ddegn 2 жыл бұрын
The Comet is still one of the most beautiful airplanes ever made.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@donaldstanfield8862
@donaldstanfield8862 2 жыл бұрын
It really is, it seems all Dehavilland aircraft were distinctive, in my humble opinion.
@jetsons101
@jetsons101 2 жыл бұрын
Hmmmmm A five hour "Mike Machat" video? "Why not" Could you imagine changing all the spark plugs on the R4360, remember two plugs per cylinder for a total of 56 and not EZ to get at, LOL. The Pan American and TWA 707's were flying art. Great information and spot on narration. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with up. Stay safe Stay strong
@ddegn
@ddegn 2 жыл бұрын
I've wished several of his videos were five hours long. I'd love a five hour video on all the different types of ejection seats with their various timing requirements.
@Tordogor
@Tordogor 2 жыл бұрын
I am all for it!! 👍
@dougsguitarlounge7927
@dougsguitarlounge7927 2 жыл бұрын
Great episode Mike, of course the KC-10 is my favorite. I worked on them in building 84 and the flight ramp at MDC long Beach. Just a beautiful bird!
@lucytillman5463
@lucytillman5463 2 жыл бұрын
The Connie is at the top of my list as it was the most sleek and elegant that I observed in my youth. During Operation Skyshield in 1961, I got the up close and inside tour of a TWA Connie at Greater Cincinnati Airport. Also, liked its long nose gear strut and the resultant on ground attitude. Thank you for your knowledgeable presentations. Mike Tillman
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the comment, thanks, Mike!
@stephenrickstrew7237
@stephenrickstrew7237 2 жыл бұрын
It’s amazing how many planes found a second life .. The Connie beautiful even with its Radome .. the Comet And those space age clean lines .. the 707 still looks and is modern …. But I just can’t say no to a Lockheed Electra with a pair of Torpedoes… Thanks for another superb episode …..!
@donaldstanfield8862
@donaldstanfield8862 2 жыл бұрын
The Electra is always fascinating with those forward-swept wings and fat props!
@stephenrickstrew7237
@stephenrickstrew7237 2 жыл бұрын
@@donaldstanfield8862 not bad for a passenger plane I wonder how many ships they sank with those torpedoes … they were used as bombers as well … quite an interesting story
@joeschenk8400
@joeschenk8400 2 жыл бұрын
The B 707/KC 135 has always been one of my favorite aircraft. I always look forward to your videos and they never disappoint. Thanks.
@martinpennock9430
@martinpennock9430 2 жыл бұрын
You are the best! Thanks so much for the video. I had no idea there were so many! I knew there were some, like the KC130, KC10, C47, etc., But never dreamed of the sheer number. Again, thanks for all you do! As always, God bless you and your family. Take care! 👍👍😊😊🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏🙏
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks and glad you enjoyed the video!
@martinpennock9430
@martinpennock9430 2 жыл бұрын
@@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 You are most welcome! The 707 was the first airplane I ever flew in. Once I was convinced the wings did move a bit in flight, it was great. Yeah, I had to have a window seat. Once again, many thanks! 🤣
@alexlloyd2259
@alexlloyd2259 2 жыл бұрын
KC-10's have now started to be retired with several already making their way to 309 AMARG at Davis-Monthon AFB.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that information. Hard to believe it's been 40 years since I saw the first KC-10 fly at LGB!
@zodszoo
@zodszoo 2 жыл бұрын
Sad to see this retirement happening. I worked them at McGuire when they started arriving there in '94. Great platform.
@ejharrop1416
@ejharrop1416 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video and remarkable to think that they were all designed on drafting board,s, with slide rules and had one chief engineer. Amazing achievement and effort. Thank you
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Great point, thanks!
@paultiffanyrutherford5898
@paultiffanyrutherford5898 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!My grandpa owned a lodestar and wow what memories!!!!We chewed gum because our ears hurt if we didn't!
@sski
@sski 2 жыл бұрын
So well done! I love the history ride. The visuals were great between the photographs and paintings as you told the story of each aircraft. I always knew that the KC-135 came 'before' the 707, but I didn't know it was a whole year gap between the two. How about that. I learned something. Thanks, Mike!!
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the video, thanks!
@captainclone1367
@captainclone1367 2 жыл бұрын
Another point that was missed was the 707 had a different diameter fuselage from the C-135. The C-135 had 5 abreast seating where s the 700 has 6 abreast. FYI the DASH 80 was even smaller with 4 abreast seating.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
@@captainclone1367 That point is mentioned in the video at 16:35. Thanks for watching.
@captainclone1367
@captainclone1367 2 жыл бұрын
@@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 Right, my mistake I missed it. I worked for Boeing as a structural engineer for 33 years, retiring in 2010.
@donaldstanfield8862
@donaldstanfield8862 2 жыл бұрын
@@captainclone1367 That's awesome, what a great time to have been on the Boeing team, I hope they iron out the issues we all know of and continue to pioneer new products in aviation! What do you consider as Boeing's greatest accomplishment during your time there? Did you get to help with the 747-8?
@fucqtheworld
@fucqtheworld 2 жыл бұрын
I know you limited the number of airplanes on your list, but the Douglas DC-9 was also spun off as the C-9 Nightingale, and several VIP US Government versions.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Great point, thanks, and yes, I should have had an "Honorable Mention" category with the DC-9-30CF into the C-9A, C-9B, and VC-9C at the top of that list.
@CraigLYoung
@CraigLYoung 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@Shamrock100
@Shamrock100 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video from Mike. A minor point of correction: the Avro Lincoln was a larger development of the Lancaster and was a bomber, not a transport.
@maxsmodels
@maxsmodels 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Mike
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Max!
@Robutube1
@Robutube1 2 жыл бұрын
Mike's presentations are never less than intriguing and most often, like this one, absolutely fascinating. Where he gets the pictures he uses to illustrate them must surely be an industrial secret 😁.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Great comment, thanks! My photos were acquired from numerous sources throughout my 50-year career in aviation - well over 100,000 images total.
@Robutube1
@Robutube1 2 жыл бұрын
@@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 The narrative is, of course, important but your picture selection is highly additive and I often watch a post more than once. Thanks for your efforts Mike!
@priceyA320
@priceyA320 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike. Thanks for the Air NZ 737-200 photo. I first saw one of these in ‘69 when they were with NAC, New Zealand’s domestic airline at the time, before it merged with Air NZ in the 70’s. I was 4 at the time but later went on to pilot 737-300s with Air NZ and now A320s. Loved the smoky noisy -200s as a kid.
@donaldstanfield8862
@donaldstanfield8862 2 жыл бұрын
They're so tiny and cute, absolutely love the engine sound, I call them "wing rockets!"
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Great story and congrats on your airline career. Appreciate your watching the channel!
@jimmbbo
@jimmbbo 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff, Mike... According to a friend of mine who flew KC135s in the 80's, when the USAF re engined the KC135 with CFM 56s the airplane could finally lose an engine on takeoff at max takeoff weight and actually climb to safety...
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Neat story, thanks!
@NotMe-hm2zd
@NotMe-hm2zd Жыл бұрын
Dude bravo!! What another great vid from a great channel! Absolutely love the slideshow presentation with location and timeframe info mixed with some of you're own past endeavors.
@bertg.6056
@bertg.6056 2 жыл бұрын
An excellent presentation, Mike. Thanks for keeping and even exceeding your high standards.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bert - appreciate the comment.
@cozysouth
@cozysouth 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Thanks!
@PopsP51
@PopsP51 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the excellent video Mike! I'd like to see more on the same topic, I'm sure there are even more interesting military/civilian aircraft use stories. Since my first airline flight was on a DC-10, Detroit to Phoenix, back in 1976, I was very keen on the KC10 when that came about under the Reagan administration's rebuilding of the Armed Forces in the 1980's. I don't know if I'd say that's my favorite, but it comes close. Take care!
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the comment, thanks!
@donaldstanfield8862
@donaldstanfield8862 2 жыл бұрын
@@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 Yes, indeed, more, please!
@johnplaninac9980
@johnplaninac9980 2 жыл бұрын
As always a very interesting video. And again the photos are great.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks John!
@stuartwren5526
@stuartwren5526 2 жыл бұрын
Great presentation. Thanks Mike 🇬🇧
@waynebrumley2315
@waynebrumley2315 2 жыл бұрын
once again job well done! thanks
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Wayne, appreciate the comment!
@davidshell1738
@davidshell1738 2 жыл бұрын
Good morning Mike☕️ Watching a new presentation from you is a great way the start the day! I worked at Continental Airline LAX in the eighties and at that time they had a KC10 check contract. Pretty cool to see a DC10 side by side with a KC10 in the hanger. Thank you for another great episode Mike!
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Great comment, and glad you enjoyed it!
@GeeBoggs
@GeeBoggs 2 жыл бұрын
VERY interesting and nicely done.
@findo12
@findo12 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike. Yet another impressive presentation. Great insight to these airliners. I’m currently wallowing in all this nostalgia.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the comment, thanks!
@schanche1965
@schanche1965 Жыл бұрын
LOCKHEED L10-11 TriStar military transport/ tanker conversion by Marshall of Cambridge for British RAF was an amazing story all by itself and should probably have been way up your list as a very successful civilian to military conversion
@B1970T
@B1970T 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@ronjon7942
@ronjon7942 Жыл бұрын
The Comet is such a beautiful aircraft. If only there was a retro market for classics like her.
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman 2 жыл бұрын
*Great video...👍*
@garfieldsmith332
@garfieldsmith332 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mr. Machat for another interesting history about aviation. Never knew that so many military aircraft found new life in other areas of aviation. And I still love the old DC3 in any configuration.
@mikejeffrey3706
@mikejeffrey3706 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Mike, just a big thanks for these great videos you are producing. They have brought back fond memories of Saturday mornings with house filled with the smell of fresh polystyrene and Testors cement, and hanging out at the end of the runway at CFB Trenton. Thanks again!🇨🇦
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
My pleasure, and glad you're enjoying these videos. Appreciate the comment, thanks!
@paultiffanyrutherford5898
@paultiffanyrutherford5898 Жыл бұрын
Mike,you are so awesome!!!
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the comment and glad you like the channel!
@glennweaver3014
@glennweaver3014 2 жыл бұрын
Great presentation Mike with an interesting group of beautiful aircraft. I love them all, but the 707/KC-135 series and military and civilian Constellations top my list. Excellent work as always.
@billevans7936
@billevans7936 2 жыл бұрын
We flew home on a Flying Tigers Airlines 707 from Okinawa-Tachikawa - Travis in '66...cool seeing that aircraft..
@rieger.design
@rieger.design 2 жыл бұрын
always a pleasure to listen to one of your lectures
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the comment, and thanks for watching!
@chuck9987
@chuck9987 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video. Incredible selection of photo's and the script and delivery were flawless. Thanks!!!! BTW, is the aircraft official/unofficial "nickname" video still in the works?
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chuck, and yes, the aircraft names video is a few weeks away. There will be plenty of surprises in that one!
@jeffzimm1320
@jeffzimm1320 2 жыл бұрын
When we were driving from LA to NYC, we saw some KC-46s out of McConnell doing touch-and-goes at Eppley Field outside of Omaha. I was wondering why they weren't going over to Offutt, but it was cool to see the 767 airframe in the dark ghost gray color. Another great video, Mike!
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Neat story Jeff, thanks!
@pjotrtje0NL
@pjotrtje0NL 2 жыл бұрын
Love this video! Just a small error: the E-6 is the US Navy TACAMO, the E-8 is the Air Force’s J-STARS (instead of the other way around)
@tgmccoy1556
@tgmccoy1556 2 жыл бұрын
Knew an retired Northwest captain. He had a memorable departure out of Seattle . Loaded. As they were -slowly climbing out over the sound, they did a precautionary shutdown of an engine. Then they had a prop runaway. Shut it down heavy ,they decided to turn around slowly and restarted the original shutdown. Which now didn't seem as bad. So, dodging shipmasts they made it to,Boeing Field. He loved the 707 BTW.
@johnmorykwas2343
@johnmorykwas2343 2 жыл бұрын
Just ordered the book.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks!
@Slickboot21
@Slickboot21 2 жыл бұрын
Did you ever have a lay-over in Hawaii and wished you'd stayed? We can all dream. Thanks for more than I knew before.
@erictaylor5462
@erictaylor5462 2 жыл бұрын
18:40 I grew up in Fairfield, Ca. Travis was just down the road. I've been on that base many times. In fact, the Lt. Commander of the base was my Scout Leader, Col. Steve Smith. I really liked him a lot. He was a good man.
@pavelavietor1
@pavelavietor1 2 жыл бұрын
Hello I worked for flying tiger cargo airlines at ATL in the 80s thanks for the memory.Saludos
@PatrickLipsinic
@PatrickLipsinic Жыл бұрын
Note on the KC-135. The oldest flying KC-135 still flying, serial# 57-1419. It is this oldest flying aircraft in the US military inventory. Even oldest then the oldest B-52 flying as the current ones flying were built in the early 60's.
@Jon.A.Scholt
@Jon.A.Scholt 2 жыл бұрын
The DC-3/C-47 combo, I thought should've been the top of the list. Besides being the classic post WW2 airliner it also served so many roles in the war. When I saw the video title I was sure it would be tops, but as Mike said there are tons of aircraft that qualify and many who were excellent in each role. I'd love to see a part 2 sometime!
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment, and yes, your point about the DC-3 is quite valid. However, I went with the 707 as number one because of its enduring impact on the design of so many other aircraft that came after, including every Boeing jet airliner flying today. Interesting that both the DC-3 and 707 cut travel times by 50% from their respective predecessors, the Ford Tri-Motor, and DC-7/Constellation!
@allangibson2408
@allangibson2408 2 жыл бұрын
The DC-5 should have been on the list too. Every single DC series aircraft from DC-1 to MD-11 had military use.
@philipcollura2669
@philipcollura2669 2 жыл бұрын
Born in 1948, living very near JFK all my life, I can relate to so much of what you present. I can recall TWA's hangar 14 with Connies and 727's parked together during the prop - jet transition. BTW, I purchased the Round Engine book a few months ago. It's one of my favorites.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Greetings to a fellow Long Islander (I lived in Rockville Centre), and many thanks for buying Craig's book. Great having you abord the channel!
@kennethcrowther2277
@kennethcrowther2277 2 жыл бұрын
Another one is the early Double bubble fuselage production Curtiss C46 Commando. That was a pretty cool big workhorse that saw some South American service as a civil airliner as well as being a civil freighter all over the place.
@psmith2234
@psmith2234 Жыл бұрын
A lot of of people doing aircraft history would leave us to think that Boeing"s B-50 bomber was basically a B-29 with bigger engines and vertical tail. But they miss a key advance in airframe technology, the switch from 2024 aluminum to the stronger but more difficult to fabricate 7075 alloy . . . which also went into the Stratocruiser a subsequent airliners. The engineers took justifiable pride in this accomplishment, and if any are still alive to watch these videos, they would surely appreciate hearing about it. Some machinists of the day who had worked with 7075 were a bit hesitant and skeptical about the advisability of trying to build airframes of the stuff. Maybe an old metallurgical engineer will remember stories about this.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 Жыл бұрын
Terrific point and excellent comment, thanks!
@kennethcrowther2277
@kennethcrowther2277 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure you know this already Mike, and didn't have time to make mention, but the de Havilland Comet also had military service as a transport and Sigint intelligence gathering aircraft in pure Comet form, as opposed to the actual combat Nimrod aircraft with its lower extension double fuselage accommodating the bomb bay. Great episode. Really great coverage of such planes with the exception of my favourite, again British, Vickers VC10 and Super VC10 MRTTs with their beautiful rear-mounted four RR Conway turbofans. Beautiful long serving aeroplanes albeit with not very many produced. I forget the exact number but I think it wasn't much more than 10, if that. However, they served Britain's military aviation needs for around 40 years, already being 10+ year old airliners when first converted for military transport use, and around 20 when first adapted as military AR tankers in the early 80s, They served concurrently with L1011s and Handley Page Victors as RAF air tankers, and with L1011s, Bristol Britanias, and other smaller aircraft as military airliners.
@andersonnettleship845
@andersonnettleship845 Жыл бұрын
I’m happy that my favorite family of airliners was included in your list, The Convairliners Perhaps you can do a video or even a series of videos about them as they have a long history in both civil and military service that also includes test, research, firefighting as well as many airframes converted to Turboprop Power (a 240-21 fitted with 2 Allison T-38 engines became the first Turboprop Airliner to fly in the USA) with 160 340 & 440 models receiving the Allison 501 d-13 or T-56 Powerplants and being designated CV-340A or CV-440A, unofficially these were known as the CV-580 thanks to the marketing department of the original (and best) Frontier Airlines 6 C-131 airframes were Stretched almost 16’ to become CV-5800 with more powerful Allison 501 d-22 Powerplants a reconditioned and “Zero Timed” airframe, and a full glass cockpit. All 6 CV-5800 aircraft are still in service with many CV-580 and other models still making their operators money.
@KKEM641
@KKEM641 2 жыл бұрын
The 707/KC-135/C-137 series will also have a special place in my heart as well, since the first plane I flew on was a 707. But it also have so many variants just in the USAF with also the EC-135 Looking Glass, ALCC (air born launch control centers), and others, also the RC, OC, and WC-135 as well. A note -- 135 was the "old" 717 while the 137 was the 707. One famous thing about the -80 was when Tex Johnson rolled it during a demo.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Great comment, thanks!
@donaldstanfield8862
@donaldstanfield8862 2 жыл бұрын
Where did your first 707 go?!
@KKEM641
@KKEM641 2 жыл бұрын
@@donaldstanfield8862 KCI to SFO (Kansas City to San Francisco, 1979 on TWA.
@captainclone1367
@captainclone1367 2 жыл бұрын
The proto type XC-97 had R-3350's on it. It was made from a B-29 by converting the fuselage to a "double bubble" design. Which by the way is a patented Curtiss Wight design used on the C-46. When Boeing designed the 377 commercial airliner they used the B-50 with the R-4360 engines.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this information.
@ergodoy7741
@ergodoy7741 2 жыл бұрын
The Lockheed L1011 deserves its own segment, pretty please?
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Good suggestion, thanks!
@petesheppard1709
@petesheppard1709 2 жыл бұрын
Fun video! I think, though that for Number 5, the Lockheed Hudson would have been a better example of military adaption than the Ventura, since the Hudson was pretty much just a Super Electra with a gun turret and bomb bay.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Good point, thanks!
@mjw1955
@mjw1955 Жыл бұрын
You mentioned the JT--8D as being the first high bypass ratio jet engine; I believe that distinguishment should go to the PW JT-9D.
@timnell207
@timnell207 2 жыл бұрын
The Flying Tigers 707 has three pylons of one type and one is different. Can anyone chime in as to why?
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Good observation, and those involve the air intakes for the engines' turbocompressors for cabin air and pressurization. Depending on fuselage size of the various 707 models, there were either four, three, or two pylon air intakes. If the airplane had three, the left outboard pylon was shorter. If two, then both outboard engines had the shorter pylon.
@johnpinckney4979
@johnpinckney4979 2 жыл бұрын
Somebody else has probably mentiond this farther down... But, wasn't the Boeing 727 America's first tri-jet?
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, absolutely. The DC-10 was America's first wide-body tri-jet one year before the Lockheed L-1011. 'Should have worded that better in the narration, and thanks for watching!
@atilllathehun1212
@atilllathehun1212 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Just on e nit-pick. The Lincoln was not a tanker but an enlarged version of the Lancaster bomber.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, and converted to an oil-carrying tanker for the Berlin Airlift. 'Should've clarified "tanker" as not for inflight refueling.
@super20dan
@super20dan 2 жыл бұрын
you left off the vickers vc10 which was long serving in the RAF as a tanker after failing as a pass jet
@iamTexan
@iamTexan 3 ай бұрын
19:03 YAY AWACS MY BELOVED
@jtwilliams8895
@jtwilliams8895 2 жыл бұрын
How can the Vickers VC-10 not be included in this list? That would be my favorite, along with the Electra/P-3. Shout out to the Il-62
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Good point, thanks!
@mikejeffrey3706
@mikejeffrey3706 2 жыл бұрын
One more Canadian fun fact then I'll shut up. In the late 50's early 60's Canadair developed 3 civilian airliners into military aircraft for the RCAF. 1) the Doulgas DC-4 into the Merlin engined C-4M North Star, 2) the Bristol Britannia into the CC-106 Yukon and the CP-107 Argus and finally 3) the Convair CV-540 into the CC-109 Cosmopolitan. I'm just a Canuck whose proud of our military and our aviation industry🇨🇦
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Great information thanks, and as I mentioned at the beginning of the video, there were many such aircraft from many nations as well. Much great aviation history from Canada!
@oxcart4172
@oxcart4172 2 жыл бұрын
707 is so beautiful! I'm gutted that the RAF have just retired the E-3
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, did not know that, thanks!
@ditto1958
@ditto1958 2 жыл бұрын
Used to be KC-97 tankers in Milwaukee I wish I had known back then that they were based on the B-29/B-50
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
A great airplane, and we had them at Van Nuys in the California Air National Guard. Thanks for watching!
@claycountybrian5645
@claycountybrian5645 2 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Clay County, Missouri ! ANOTHER GRrrrr-8 video, Mr. Machat !! just a quick "chicken or egg" question Was the Boeing 367-80 series re-named the "707" because of the N number (N70700) ? Or was it given the N number because of the model designation ? Asking for a friend Thanks again ! And keep the AWESOME videos coming ..... whenEVER you release them It might take me a day or two ...... but I watch 'em ALL ! 282 thumbs UP !
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the question, and "367-80" was actually an early variant of the Boeing Stratocruiser, used as code to avoid any suspicion of a new jet program. The airliner version of Boeing's prototype Jet Transport was called 707 right from the beginning, hence the N-number and '707' painted on the tail of that jet in 1955.
@viksaini
@viksaini 2 жыл бұрын
The Curtiss CW-20 airliner is missing from the top 10. As originally conceived, the CW-20 would have offered more passenger capacity than the DC-3 and in a pressurized cabin, but WWII intervened. Unpressurized freighter versions of the CW-20 are very well known for their military service. They are the C-46 Commandos! Commercial service for the CW-20/C-46 would come in earnest after the war, but no new CW-20s would ever be built for the airlines.
@randytaylor1258
@randytaylor1258 2 жыл бұрын
Just a thought -- wasn't the B727 Whisperjet the first jet tri-liner, before the DC10?
@viksaini
@viksaini 2 жыл бұрын
@@randytaylor1258 The Trident flew first, but the 727 entered service before the Trident.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
@@randytaylor1258 Yes, and that line should have been "First tri-jet widebody" without the pause, sorry.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
@@viksaini Yes, and that line should have been "First tri-jet widebody" without the pause, sorry.
@viksaini
@viksaini 2 жыл бұрын
@@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 Thanks Mike. I get it now.
@oat138
@oat138 2 жыл бұрын
The E-6 Is the navy Tacamo. The E-8 Is the Air Force J-STAR!
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Yes exactly. Good catch!
@CK-wd4ex
@CK-wd4ex 4 ай бұрын
As far as I know all KC-10s are retired, former KC-10 Crew Chief
@stuartlee6622
@stuartlee6622 2 жыл бұрын
The 727 was America's first trijet. You should know that.
@timoverton9972
@timoverton9972 2 жыл бұрын
Great presentation. You swapped the E-6 and E-8. The E-6 is the Navy plane and the E-8 is the USAF J-STARS.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Yup, sure did. Good catch!
@cmdredstrakerofshado1159
@cmdredstrakerofshado1159 2 жыл бұрын
Hey you forgot the Connie was one of the original airforce ones used by both president Truman and Eisenhower. 😉
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, correct, although President Truman had a Douglas VC-118 (DC-6) named "Independence" for his home town in Missouri. Ike actually flew on two Air Force Connies (749 and 1049) named "Columbine" for the Colorado state flower. Thanks for watching!
@cmdredstrakerofshado1159
@cmdredstrakerofshado1159 2 жыл бұрын
@@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 Yes your right about Truman he flew in a C54 /DC 6 that was customized for FRD it that a electric power wheelchair lift built-in. It was Eisenhower who flew Connie. 👍 But both designs had there beginnings as military planes that be civilian transports👍. Great video I love to see you do a video/ videos of history of the great Aviation magazines Wings and Air power I saw enough of your art Grace it's pages back in the day I really miss them . Again great video
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
@@cmdredstrakerofshado1159 Many thanks!
@Dog.soldier1950
@Dog.soldier1950 2 жыл бұрын
We have a great deal of confusion about the different organizational names of the US Air Force prior to 1947. I have some interest because my grandfather served in France 1917-1919 with the 95th aero squadron of the USAAS. Signal Corps 1907-1918, U.S. Army Air Service (USAAS) 1918-1926, U.S. Army Air Corps 1926-1941, U.S. Army Air Force 1941-1947, U.S. Air Force 1947-date. Sadly today’s’ s Air force seems to have forgotten that it’s history begins in 1907 not 1947.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Great information, thanks! (1941-1947 was actually U.S. Army Air Forces and my birthday is 16 SEP 47 - two days before the U.S. Air Force was formed.)
@fucqtheworld
@fucqtheworld 2 жыл бұрын
Army Signal Corps
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
See comment above - missed it by three years!
@erictaylor5462
@erictaylor5462 2 жыл бұрын
Considering that it is still in use as a freighter *AND* passenger liner in some parts of the world, I think I would have put the DC-3/C-47 above the 707/KC-135. In fact, the DC-3 has even been refit with turbo prop engines. That is 85 years of service, and still counting. The 707/C-135 "only" has 59 years of service. And I'm willing to bet when the last 707 airframe makes its last landing, the DC-3 will still be going. But hey, like the Dude said, that's just, like, my opinion, man.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the comment, thanks Eric, and I thought about that very fact. The 707 won out, however, because as the DC-3 was to propliners, the 707 provided the aeronautical DNA for just about every modern jet airliner flying today. Amazing to me that a 737-900ER uses the same basic fuselage as the first 707-100 series, yet carries more passengers over longer range, and with two engines (and much less noise!). Thanks for watching!
@erictaylor5462
@erictaylor5462 2 жыл бұрын
@@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 The more passengers is likely due to the tighter spacing of modern airline seats. When I fly, I usually fly with Southwest, but a few years ago I was asked to care for a friend's elderly mother. I flew from Oregon to Indiana via Denver on a Horizon Airbus. I'm an amputee and if I don't have room and have to bend my knee to much the top of my prosthesis hits the back of my knee. This becomes quite painful after just a few minutes. I asked the flight attendants to change seats, explaining why I needed a new seat, but they refused to let me change, even though suitable seats were available. When I changed planes in Denver I asked the gate agent if I could change my assigned seat and she refused, even when I called the Airline's customer service and explained why I needed a different seat. The CS agent asked to speak to the gate agent who told the person no, hung up and handed the phone back to me saying, "Nice try" I suspect the flight attendant spoke to the gate attendant, but when I called CS back they said someone was already on the way to help me. Two people showed up with a TSA agent and spoke to the flight gate agent then the security guard and the gate agent left and one of the other people took over. The Gate agent snarled "Thanks a lot" at me as she left. I suspect she was being fired. But I don't see it as my fault or my problem. The new gate agent reassigned my seat to an isle seat on the left side of the plane. I had never been treated so rudely on any flight ever. I have no idea what that flight attendant had against me. I wasn't rude or anything. I even said please! In any case, I'll never travel with Horizon again, neither will me friend. Maybe some people reading this too.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
@@erictaylor5462 Sorry to hear about that experience, and yes, air travel has descended well into oblivion today.
@erictaylor5462
@erictaylor5462 2 жыл бұрын
@@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 I never did much airline travel when I was a kid. Mom and I used to fly back to Michigan until I was about 9. My Grandmother's sister passed away and Grandma came out to California to live with us, and after that there was no more airline travel until I was 16 and my family went to visit Europe. Dad was a pilot so all the flying we did was in small planes. When I was 16 the Family flew to Europe via Pan Am. I remember the 747 was a bit old and run down looking, but it got us there and home just fine. I didn't do any more airline travel until I was grown and could afford to do it. I was shocked at how different it was. Pan Am was long gone by this time. The airlines seemed a lot less luxurious. I got to go aboard the very first 747, though I was only 2 weeks old, so I don't remember it. We didn't fly in it though. I think it was at an airshow. I grew up next to Travis AFB so we always went to airshows. Dad is a bit of a wing nut, so am I frankly. You mentioned Travis, you would have gone right past my elementary school and my high school. They both backed up to Air Base Parkway. Dad's last station in the AF was at Travis, and he decided he wanted to raise his family in Fairfield.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
@@erictaylor5462 Neat story. I flew through Travis deploying to Japan in September 1967 and returned in 1969. Take care.
@MaxKrumholz
@MaxKrumholz Жыл бұрын
E3 and E8 we do Israel in One little Buisness Jet E3C ERA END
@scootergeorge9576
@scootergeorge9576 2 жыл бұрын
DC-3 to C-47
@erictaylor5462
@erictaylor5462 2 жыл бұрын
20:00 That is a fantastic picture. I hope you weren't pilot flying.
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, and that was taken during an Air Force Art Program Assignment with the 92nd Bomb Wing outr of Fairchild AFB. Telephoto shot from the jump seat, hence pretty grainy.
@erictaylor5462
@erictaylor5462 2 жыл бұрын
14:20 The Japanese operated C-47s in WWII. I read a book by a Japanese Fighter pilot written in the 50's. One of the pilot's friends was shot down flying a C-47. It surprised me that Japan would be operating American planes while in a war against the US. But I guess they got the transports before the war, or got them from airliners. I think it would have been weird for the Americans to be attacking an American aircraft.
@allangibson2408
@allangibson2408 2 жыл бұрын
The Japanese (Nakajima) BUILT a DC3 version (the Showa/Nakajima L2D) during WW2 (they got a license before WW2). The Nakajima built aircraft had two additional cockpit windows behind the standard DC3. A wooden and a steel version was also built in Japan. So did the Russians as the Li-2. (You can tell an Li-2 by the turret behind the cockpit, a smaller left hand side door and the shutters on the engine intakes for ultra cold operation.) The Germans also operated DC-2s and DC-3’s during WW2. The Japanese built 487, the Russians built 6,157. The Li-2 was replaced by the tricycle geared Il-14 in Russian service.
@erictaylor5462
@erictaylor5462 2 жыл бұрын
@@allangibson2408 The DC-3/C-47 was an amazingly successful design. Possibly *THE* most successful in aviation history, considering they are still being operated to this day, some with turbo-prop engines.
@allangibson2408
@allangibson2408 2 жыл бұрын
@@erictaylor5462 Douglas thought the DC-5 would be better - that’s why they started the production line for it as a replacement. WW2 got in the road. The DC-5 production line got converted to make the DB-7 A-20 Havoc/Boston… Fokker (Douglas’s agent in Europe) liked them so much that they built their own slightly enlarged turboprop version after WW2 (the F-27 Friendship). The US navy used them as the R3D-2 and Army as the C-110…
@erictaylor5462
@erictaylor5462 2 жыл бұрын
@@allangibson2408 The history of technology is filled with ideas that were thought to be better. Some were, some were not. Often, some other ideas were even better than the other ideas.
@allangibson2408
@allangibson2408 2 жыл бұрын
@@erictaylor5462 Tail dragger airliners ended with the DC-3 and Fw200… The loading problems just isn’t worth the hassle unless you are getting the aircraft basically for free - and they were selling surplus DC-3 aircraft after WW2 for less than the cost of the fuel in the tanks. The Fokker F-27 Friendship ensured no new DC-3’s were built because it was so much better an aircraft in every way. The DC-3 was good for its day but it’s day was 1937. Only the military needs of WW2 ensured it continued to be built (like the Fw-200 and Ju-52). The DC-5 was a much better aircraft (and I got taught to fly by a guy who flew every DC series aircraft from 2 to 11 (except the DC-4E)).
@moelll
@moelll 2 жыл бұрын
No C-54/DC-4 or DC-6/C-118, eh?
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Great point and certainly significant aircraft. This episode was my "Top Ten" picks for commercial to military aircraft, so I'll add those in "Part 2" sometime. Thanks for watching!
@radiosnail
@radiosnail 11 ай бұрын
There was 60sanother derivative of the Avro Lancaster. It was the Avro York. It took the wings engines and tail of Avro Lancaster and mated it to the top of a sqaure cross section fuselage. The tail had an extra central rudder. Used as both freighters and passenger transporters. There is one on display at Duxford. On the subject of Comets, the RAF took some as transports. There was a Comet MkIII in RAF colours at Duxford, they also had a Comet IV in Dan Air colours. The museum asked the RAF to take their Comet away for restoration. The RAF used it as a fire hulk. The Comet Iv is still there, last time I saw it, it had been repainted in BOAC colours nd is indoors. Our climate is cruel on airframes. Comment almost finished. There was another transport partly derived from the Halifax. The Handley Page Hastings had th Halifax III's wing and engines underneath a more capacious fuselage. They served into the 60s. There was a civilian version called the Hermes. My aunt (and everyone else) survived a crash in one at Southend Airport. I'll stop now. Thankyou fora very interesting video.
@brucewelty7684
@brucewelty7684 2 жыл бұрын
Boeing 367-80... you might have said 1G rolled out. I know you pronounced Orion like a Murican but there was NO "eye" in Greek.
@n7565j
@n7565j 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact, Col Richard Graham wrote that the Blackbird used to have to light 1 afterburner during refueling due to the slow high speed flight characteristics of the 707 tanker, but that all went away when the DC-10 tanker came online, she was actually much faster and able to keep up with the hot rod Blackbird :-) What a fun video!!! Thank you :-)
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the comment, thanks!
@jacobhill3302
@jacobhill3302 2 жыл бұрын
The DC-3 was so good the Soviets and Japanese copied it
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782
@celebratingaviationwithmik9782 2 жыл бұрын
Very true!
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