How An Isolated Dim Bulb Tester Works (Current Limited Isolation Transformer And VARIAC)

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Erik's Electronics Workbench

Erik's Electronics Workbench

Жыл бұрын

In this video Erik discusses how an isolated dim bulb tester (current limited isolation transformer and VARIAC) works and how to electrically configure the main components. Are there certain configurations that work better than others? Let's find out. Also, what to watch out for when you buy certain types of isolation transformers that can pose a safety issue.
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@larrybud
@larrybud Жыл бұрын
Best video on YT for a dim bulb tester hands down.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Жыл бұрын
thank you!!
@SBWings
@SBWings Жыл бұрын
Hi Eric! I, too, have watched many of these dim-bulb/current limiting device how-to videos. Yours is definitely the most comprehensive. Most just show how to build one. Some explain why. Yours actually demonstrates how and why. Plus, your video is the only one I've seen that demonstrates the optimal order of isolation transformer, variable AC auto-transformer, dim-bulb/current limiting. As an aside, I was fortunate to pick up a pristine Heathkit IP-5220 Isolated Variable AC Power Supply. Internally, it uses the same order as you've shown. All I need to do is to plug in my dim-bulb into the IP-5220 and it does everything you've shown in your final configuration. Great video! Thanks!
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Жыл бұрын
Steven, thanks for the compliment and positive feedback. Your IP-5220 is a great piece of gear to have and will prove very handy on the bench.
@briang.7206
@briang.7206 Күн бұрын
Just discovered your channel. This ans. All my questions about how to set up a safe work bench.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Күн бұрын
I'm glad the video was helpful for you, thanks for watching!!
@thobiasmartin4768
@thobiasmartin4768 5 ай бұрын
And that's why you always get multiple sources of information folks. I've seen Mr Carlson's video about a build like that but he didn't go into detail about the order of the components. Thank you for your very detailed and easy to understand video I'm quite surprised that Mr Carlson didn't arrange it that way but there might be a reasoning behind it.
@danhorton6182
@danhorton6182 Жыл бұрын
Nice video Eric. One thing I want to add about the isolation transformer you generally buy that I see most people skip over in their videos. I have 1000w hospital grade Tripp Lite (I believe the hospital grade ones already have the neutral isolation), but to have a true isolation transformer you need ground isolation as well. The input voltage line’s ground is connected to the metal case of the transformer. Even if you disconnect the ground wires on the output receptacles, the stock receptacles (as do most) have their ground lug connected directly to the mounting tabs. So when that receptacle is screwed securely to the metal case of the Tripp Lite it is indeed still grounded to the main input ground. So you would either need to get plastic isolation tabs and use plastic screw, or what I did was replace the stock receptacles with special ones where the ground lugs are not connected to the metal mounting tabs. These receptacles are generally orange in color. So I have complete isolations from hot, neutral, and ground.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Жыл бұрын
Hi Dan, yes correct about the ground isolation and the special type of orange colored outlet. It might be a little hard to see in the video but the outlets I am using are that special type (orange color) with the isolated ground.
@danhorton6182
@danhorton6182 Жыл бұрын
Oh very good, I’m sure you knew about it, but thought I should mention it for those watching the video and not know they don’t truly have ground isolation without the new outlets.
@peterarsenault2671
@peterarsenault2671 4 ай бұрын
EXCELLENT EXCELLENT video. Yes, you certainly have the absolutely BEST isolation transformer/dim bulb/variac video done. Great job Sir. Thank you.👍
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the compliment! Glad you enjoyed the video.
@donnaankstitus7092
@donnaankstitus7092 3 ай бұрын
Putting the iso transformer first is best. In this configuration the variac does not have to supply excitation current to the iso transformer which depending on the size of the iso transformer can be mA to Amps.
@andrewconnolly8633
@andrewconnolly8633 2 ай бұрын
Hi Erik I qualified as an electrician now technician that was a great explanation of how to configure the tester 👍
@ovalwingnut
@ovalwingnut Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I got my "dim bulb fix" for the night... :) And that's the 2nd biggest transformer I've ever seen! Thank you for the (always) informative video(s).
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Жыл бұрын
Glad to know you enjoyed the video. The upcoming power supply repair video that is currently being made has a transformer in it that tops this one for size :)
@CosmicGecko
@CosmicGecko 7 ай бұрын
Thank you, this was the most lucid presentation about how to arrange the major components, and the pros/cons of each arrangement.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 7 ай бұрын
Glad to know you found the video informative, thanks for watching!
@Wes-tg5xw
@Wes-tg5xw 9 ай бұрын
The most comprehensive video l have found on the subject. Great job!
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 9 ай бұрын
Glad to know you found the video helpful!
@duroxkilo
@duroxkilo 3 ай бұрын
excellent work mr Erik, thanks
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed the video.
@musterionsurly
@musterionsurly 7 ай бұрын
Great video Erik, really clear.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching, glad you enjoyed the video.
@donlunn792
@donlunn792 9 ай бұрын
Absolutely excellent vid. I now know the optimal setup. Thank you.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 9 ай бұрын
Thanks! and glad to know the video was helpful for you.
@hunt555fish
@hunt555fish 4 ай бұрын
Great job on your explanation.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 4 ай бұрын
thank you!
@buddyhoover57
@buddyhoover57 6 ай бұрын
This is by far the best and most comprehensive discussion I've seen on this subject. I'm going the rearrange the components of my dim bulb test system to match your recommended setup. Isolation transformer to autotransformer to bulb to device under test. thanks!
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching and I'm glad the video was helpful for you.
@noneofabove5586
@noneofabove5586 11 ай бұрын
Very good explananation. I liked how you showed each configuration. I just wish I saw this 1week ago. As the incandesant bulb ban just went into effect.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the nice feedback. The phasing out of most incandescent bulbs has been in effect for quite a while. Personally I stocked up on bulbs for uses like this project but the bulbs are still available online if not at your local stores.
@garywilliam5203
@garywilliam5203 Ай бұрын
Very well done. Thank you
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@jacquesdubord6844
@jacquesdubord6844 6 ай бұрын
Very interesting video on this subject , you have explained it extremely well. Being a electronicien myself this is something I had learned when at CEGEP (school), and I used it all the time. Thanks
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the compliment and for taking time to watch the video. Glad you found it interesting.
@KissAnalog
@KissAnalog 5 ай бұрын
Great video!!
@jstro-hobbytech
@jstro-hobbytech 11 ай бұрын
Great video. Im buiding one now using a small variac and a 1 to 1 pyramid transformer. I havent decided how to wire it yet but im going to use a motor to turn the variac which has the same 3 amp ouput as the transformer. I also have an old hammond boat anchor 1kva which is earth connected on both sides but i havent found a use for it. I have alot of recording gear and i may use it when i record to avoid hum when tracking guitar.
@Uvisir
@Uvisir 2 ай бұрын
very very good video thank you
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@g.fortin3228
@g.fortin3228 Ай бұрын
great video.. I like your variac, mine shows voltage not amps. this is good.. glad to know my setup ( the 4th one) is good.. and I need to check inside the ISO and fix that !
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Ай бұрын
Glad you liked the video and thanks for watching!
@grahambambrook313
@grahambambrook313 22 күн бұрын
Hi Eric, interesting and informative video; thanks. I see the logic in arranging the items as you do on your bench and indeed i used to have mine configured in the same order but, quite frankly, I couldn't put up with the noise. Since moving house, I now have the space to move the 'lab', such that it is, from a very drafty, cold garage to a nice warm ground floor room in the house. Whilst setting up, I decided I needed to do something about the 'growling' noise emanating from my toroidal iso-transformer: it really is quite offensive and not the sort of thing one would want next to their ear for any extended period!! I it put the first in the chain originally since it is a 2kVA unit and my mechanical engineer's logic suggested it would be better to put the 50VA variable behind it. Anyway, long story short, when I started the new setup I reversed the positions and had the variac first in chain. Lo & behold, the horrendous 'growling' ceased. It does return to a degree when I give it full mains voltage but below about 90-95% full power it is almost unnoticeable now, though I do not have the bulbs in circuit yet. They have always been last in the chain. Any ideas as to what the cause may be? I surfed the 'net' for hours trying to find clues as to what aggitates the toroid enough to make it angry, though without noticeable success. It does seem voltage dependent but I am at a loss with this one. Any advice or suggestions would be much appreciated as I do not like being 'growled' at by 240 of His Majesty's finest volts. Keep up the good work. 👨‍🎓
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 22 күн бұрын
Hi, my guess is the impedance or matching between the transformers is not ideal and may be setting up some distortion on the AC waveform making the transformer growl or hum. And some transformers are just more prone to making noises. Even at no load, there is some current between your isolation transformer and variac. A properly sized/rated capacitor across the AC line between transformers (power factor correction) could possibly help correct this but the noise is not damaging to the transformer unless it is so extreme the transformer is running hot (could be indication of other problems too).
@grahambambrook313
@grahambambrook313 22 күн бұрын
@@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Thanks Eric, I'll get the maths hat on and give it some consideration. I guess all the loading it sees at the moment is inductive so there could be something in it. The toroid is double-insulated as it came from an out-door-functions company and has no earth reference at all. Having the variac first also means I can have the earth ground on its metal case connected.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 22 күн бұрын
@@grahambambrook313 It seems placing the bulb for current limiting last is the best option (as I show in the video) and the order placement of the transformer and variac is about a toss up with some advantages on each way. Arrange how it works best for you and the components you are using. Yes one transformer driving another is a very inductive load to the first transformer (or variac) although in my own set up I have not had any issues.
@grahambambrook313
@grahambambrook313 21 күн бұрын
@@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 👍
@BjornV78
@BjornV78 Жыл бұрын
Hi Eric, i have seen many video's the last 3 years about this subject, because i'm building for almost 3 years (due health issues) a project with a isolation transformer , dim bulb limiter, variac and electronic circuit breaker (own design) in 1 chassis, but this video is one of the best and comprehensive explanation on the different configurations that i have seen so far. From the beginning i had already the last configuration in mind to use in my own project, but now i have seen what effect of the other configurations are. Regarding the isolation transformer itself, did you do some modifications to lower the "ghostvoltage" from the secundary side to ground ? Grtz from Belgium
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Жыл бұрын
Bjorn, thanks for the compliment and I'm glad the video is helpful for you. The voltage that can appear from isolated secondary to ground is why I say the isolation transformer greatly reduces the shock hazard.. but it does not 100% eliminate it in all cases. The ghost voltage will disappear if you use a lower impedance AC voltmeter to test it (such as 1000 ohms per volt) so generally the current level of the ghost voltage is extremely small unless the transformer has a serious problem.
@jstro-hobbytech
@jstro-hobbytech 11 ай бұрын
I'm in the same boat. I even have the measurements for the drawn but I'm just now testing rotary encoders for the nema 23 which will 1 to 1 turn the wiper.
@soulrobotics
@soulrobotics 9 ай бұрын
I would like to add some protection. The lamp switch should be a 2A circuit breaker. Because, in case the switch is on and something bad happens, it is good to have an automatic circuit breaker. 2A is sufficient for many projects. I would also add an RCCB on the primary of the transformer (I choose your last configuration). If something fails in the transformer, I hope not! This RCCB would act before the home RCCB. Makes sense? I would also add a wattmeter, a PF meter, and a needle ammeter at the end, just to take note of the consumption of the radio or amplifier. For me, the needle is the best indicator for debugging these old junk. Nice video, risk is on me, but thanks for sharing.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 9 ай бұрын
Adding a fuse or circuit breaker is fine but make sure it is sized no larger than what the variac or transformer can handle. In other words the circuit protection needs to be the weakest link in the circuit.
@johnc.4625
@johnc.4625 25 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 23 күн бұрын
You're welcome and the donation is appreciated. Thanks :)
@johnc.4625
@johnc.4625 10 күн бұрын
@@EriksElectronicsWorkbench would love a video of you adding a digital meter with a torrid to the dim bulb I’m having a terrible time adding mine. It works but then the limiting function goes away and the mains won’t turn off with the mains switch.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 10 күн бұрын
@@johnc.4625 I will consider that as a future topic. From your description, if the current limiting is not functioning the bulb is being bypassed somehow. A voltmeter should only need to be connected across the load (would be the most useful location). Don't try to measure across the bulb or across the mains switch.
@terrynicklin417
@terrynicklin417 8 ай бұрын
Excellent explanation, thank you! I have been trying to find a definitive answer on this issue for a long time. I had arrived at the third set up myself, partly because I wanted to ground my variac, so it had to go before the isolation transformer, but I now believe your fourth set up is better. BTW, wouldn't the 'bulb always on' problem also apply to the first set up when using a low wattage bulb?
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 8 ай бұрын
Glad that you found the video helpful. Yes in the first configuration a small wattage bulb would glow once the variac is increased because of the small current that flows in the transformers even without a load on the isolation transformer secondary.
@nonsuch
@nonsuch 7 ай бұрын
Great video. I've always had my Isolation Transformer, Variac, and Dim Bulb in the 2nd configuration you've shown and I guess since I'm using a 300w bulb, I haven't run into the issue it potentially could have. However, you've convinced me to try out the 4th config and will soon when I clear out the work I have going on. One configuration you didn't touch on is: Isolation Transformer > Dim Bulb > Variac. Any thoughts on that config? Thanks for the tips!
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 7 ай бұрын
Glad you liked the video, thanks for watching! Isolation Transformer > Dim Bulb > Variac would function like the 2nd set up, just switching the transformer and Variac positions. Advantage would be the bulb, associated wiring, and Variac are isolated which adds safety. It should work ok but might have a some bulb glow even with no load on the Variac due to the current that always flows in the transformers (as mentioned in the video).
@ericklassen742
@ericklassen742 7 ай бұрын
Great video. What VA rating would br ideal to work on antique radios using non-polarized cords. Pretty=much limited to 5-tube am radios..
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 7 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the video. 300 VA would be a small size that would be good for 5-tube radios.
@Madmart54
@Madmart54 2 ай бұрын
Great Video Thanks! I’m in the process of changing all the old electrolytic’s in my HI-FI pre and power tube amps ( previously working fine) and am a bit anxious about switch on. What still concerns me is if I have a setup like this and say have a capacitor that decides to go faulty, is it still going to go bang all of a sudden even if I bring the voltage up slowly in stages-as there probably is still enough current flow? Also my amp has voltage regulation with 85V reference tubes so I assume the fun might not begin until I have the Variac at 85V and above? Many thanks for any knowlegeable answers 👍 Martin UK.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 2 ай бұрын
Glad you found the video helpful. The current limiting from the bulb will not prevent all types of faulty components from going up in smoke. It is most useful for faults in main power supply components or other power handling circuits in a device like an amp's output stage. The bulb is a visual indication of a problem so you can quickly cut the power if needed as well as a current limiter to prevent more serious damage from occurring like a power transformer being destroyed by a shorted filter capacitor. It depends on the circuit design if the regulated voltage circuit will have voltage present at low line voltages or if it suddenly switches in at a particular line voltage. You can monitor that regulated portion with a voltmeter to understand how it works. Double and triple check your work before power up as the dim bulb won't prevent damage to electrolytic installed backwards.
@BrentLeVasseur
@BrentLeVasseur 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video! As a noob hobbyist, my primary concern is a) not killing myself and b) not blowing up my oscilloscope. So this is very helpful. One thing I did learn, and correct me if I am wrong, is that using a powered differential probe is safer than using this setup because you can then still use the ground for the Oscilloscope, while isolating the probe connections from the scope, which in theory should allow you to probe a dead short on the test device without electrocuting yourself or blowing up your scope, right? Or is that wrong?
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 8 ай бұрын
Glad you found the video helpful. The isolation transformer's main purpose is for safety from the AC line which has a ground reference. Although the transformer can allow you to connect a grounded oscilloscope, that will essentially undo the isolation transformer safety by introducing a new path to ground on the transformer secondary. A dangerous shock hazard now exists. Differential probes are a good solution or using an isolated scope such as a Fluke Scopemeter will keep you and the equipment safe.
@BrentLeVasseur
@BrentLeVasseur 8 ай бұрын
@@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Thanks!
@soulrobotics
@soulrobotics 8 ай бұрын
Hi Erik. I've found a problem. When switching this large isolation transformer, I've noticed that sometimes the house circuit breaker trips. It seems that the inrush current plays an important role, especially when the power is turned on at a point other than when the mains is crossing 0V. I've been thinking about connecting an NTC in series and creating some kind of controller to power up the entire system. The controller should manage the NTC's temperature, include a bypass relay after a few seconds, control a contactor for switching on and off based on conditions, a crossing 0V detector, (arduino project)etc... Perhaps there is something already available in the market.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 8 ай бұрын
Yes if the transformer is switched on at the peak of the AC cycle you will have a very large inrush current and large transformers can have considerable inrush currents. You might try using a solid-state relay (SSR) that has zero crossing switching built in. Make sure to size the relay for the power draw of your transformer. I think the zero crossing SSR is the simplest solution.
@ekbanjosworld4926
@ekbanjosworld4926 10 ай бұрын
Excellent video ! I'm getting ready to build my setup, just like you did yours. I was thinking of adding a receptacle between the variac and isolation transformer with full line voltage so as not to have to use the variac all the time? I want to add an Amp and Voltmeter after the variac with the bypass switch as you did. My transformer is a beast ! Big Hammond 115v primary 782VA and 115VCT Single phase. I was wondering if I could just bond the ground and neutral together on the primary side, but not ground the chassis ? The primary side has three terminals. H1, H2 & H4. H1 & H4 = 125V from my 125V main. Which is how I'm going to wire it. H4 & H2 = 125V ? H1 & H4 = 242V on the primary side ? Secondary is 125V X1 & X3, which is how I am going to wire it, center tap equals 62.5V each side out of phase. It's an older model. A single phase. I could not find a schematic on it anywhere ! I tested it and everything works fine. I was confused at the 242V on the primary side center terminal? And what would be the effects of running it at 125V line as opposed to the 115V rating? Would ot do or possibly harm the trany ? Just a little more heat ? I don't plan on running anything that long that would saturate the filaments. I'm planning on putting a 6A fuse between the line and the transformer with a 5A fuse between the variac and transformer. Any advice or information you could tell me, much appreciated, thanks again for a great video !
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 10 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the video and found it helpful. An extra receptacle between the isolation transformer and variac can be handy, nothing wrong with doing that. It won't have the bulb current limiting though unless you add another series connected bulb with that outlet (assuming you are following my setup). As to grounding, if this whole project is in a metal box you should use a 3 wire cord and ground the box to earth ground but do not tie the box to neutral. Then use "isolated ground" outlets (which are orange colored) so the outlet's ground socket is floating from the earth ground. Without seeing the transformer in person it is a bit hard to say how the winding taps are configured. But it sound like you have sorted them to the correct voltages. I would not worry about the 125 vs. 115 volt operation, that is within normal specs of line voltage. If the VA rating is given at 115 volts you could back off the maximum load a little running at 125 volts to keep things safe. Short duration use really won't pose a problem. Just remember on the grounding issue that the isolated line side can't have any reference to the outside world.
@ekbanjosworld4926
@ekbanjosworld4926 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for your advice ! I'm not intending to use the DBT with the first transformer receptacle. Excellent video !
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 10 ай бұрын
Sounds like your setup will be practical and work well. I have a second isolation transformer setup with no series bulb and no variac. It is handy for times when you only need isolation and nothing else. @@ekbanjosworld4926
@user-su5sq5ib3i
@user-su5sq5ib3i Жыл бұрын
Can you explain how to reference a ground on an oscillscope since the bnc ring is connected to house ground itself. Thanks very much! I will be trouble shooting a NAtional NC183D
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Жыл бұрын
In situations where connecting the oscilloscope ground into the circuit poses a shock and/or short circuit hazard you need to use a differential oscilloscope probe or a battery powered oscilloscope that has floating ground connections. Never attempt to float the grounds on a traditional AC line powered scope by isolating it as this is dangerous and poses a shock hazard.
@SkyValleySpaceCadet
@SkyValleySpaceCadet 5 ай бұрын
would it make sense to have a isolation transfer before and after the variac?
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 5 ай бұрын
Hi, using the isolation transformer before the variac makes the variac isolated as well as the device you are working on. Any additional isolation transformer would not serve a useful purpose unless you had some unusual voltage conversion requirements (step up / down) beyond what the variac could do.
@rusty19481
@rusty19481 4 ай бұрын
Hi Eric, Any advantage to using this bulb tester on vintage transistor receivers/amplifiers and tape decks.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 4 ай бұрын
Using an isolation transformer is always a good idea. Generally bringing up voltage slowly and running solid state devices on low voltage is not recommend because the circuits behave differently than tube circuits under low voltage conditions. However there are times bringing up the voltage with a variac is useful during testing on solid state circuits so it's one of those use as needed situations. You can use the dim bulb portion (and a suitable rated bulb) for an initial power on just to see if there is something drastically wrong. I would not leave the dim bulb in during testing etc as the lower voltage will make readings and operation unpredictable.
@Gordonseries385
@Gordonseries385 4 ай бұрын
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@scottmelneal
@scottmelneal 9 ай бұрын
I’d like to see what the current does on the DUT when you short out the bulb?
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 9 ай бұрын
When the bulb is shorted it is just an isolation transformer and variac, so use with caution because there is no current limiting. It is important to be able to bypass (short) the bulb so you can apply full line voltage (when appropriate) to the device when testing.
@joezaffuto6575
@joezaffuto6575 9 ай бұрын
ISI DIM BULB TESTER VIDEO…I use the 4th and final version of the setup… I now own an oscilloscope and learning about ISO power. Question…does adding a GFCI or AFCI “after” the setup, add any safety? I can’t find any video demonstrating why the GFCI won’t work. Testers give false reading because most of us lift ground. The tester can’t send current to ground…so it won’t test correctly. What am I missing…or is the GFCI a redundant safety feature not needed? THANKS
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 9 ай бұрын
A GFCI monitors the current flowing in the hot and neutral circuits. If there is the tiniest of an imbalance in current, meaning current is taking an alternate path to ground, the GFCI will trip. An isolation transformer's purpose is to isolate from ground so a GFCI won't work in this application because the transformer secondary has no reference to ground. You could install the GFCI on the isolation transformer's primary side (i.e. the outlet on your workbench).
@tze-ven
@tze-ven Жыл бұрын
Your setup do not have a Residual Current Device (RCD) after the isolation side to mitigate potentially serious electrical shock to an operator. This can happen when testing DUT, the operator connects one of the terminals after the isolation to Ground (for some reasons) and then accidentally touch the other terminal. The most probable situation is that you connect GND lead of an oscilloscope to the DUT; and even if you connect light bulb load in series with the DUT, you may still get a serious shock if you accidentally touch any point that is live in the DUT. Perhaps adding MCB after the isolation is a good idea to provide extra protection in case of short circuit or an overload especially when the light bulb load is accidentally removed or intentionally bypassed from the test circuit.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Жыл бұрын
The addition of any extra safety devices is up to the end user and details are beyond the scope of the video. However installing a GFI outlet would pose an issue since the GFI outlet needs an earth ground reference. The purpose of the isolated supply is to have no reference on either line to ground. The current limiting provided by the bulb is in no way meant to be a safety feature to the user. There are inherent risks with this test setup, thus the disclaimer in the video.
@tze-ven
@tze-ven Жыл бұрын
@@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Fair enough. I brought this up because most modern home electrical systems have protection devices in place to protect home users and electrical appliances from electrical hazards. So there are protections before the isolation, but after the isolation those safety features are eliminated. Regarding the GFCI, I think you are referring to the voltage operated ELCB, which is now obsolete because it does not provide much protection to the operator. And yes, that device senses the voltage in reference to the Earth. But most modern device is an RCD whereby it detects the imbalance between the current flowing in the live line and the current returning in the neutral line and there is no Earth line involved. Actually adding some electrical protections is pretty simple. Just hook up a small 6A or a 10A RCBO (which is basically MCB + RCD) just after the isolation transformer. It may also protect the transformers from smoking due to inadvertent short circuit or an overload (in situation whereby the light bulb load is accidentally removed or intentionally bypassed).
@viyohepav6032
@viyohepav6032 10 ай бұрын
For the 3rd configuration (variac-transformer-bulb). If it is CT transformer on secondary ... than i should use 2 bulb, one for positif and one for negatif, am i right?
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 10 ай бұрын
It depends on how you are using the transformer. If you have individual loads on each side of the center tap and they each need different current limiting then yes a bulb on each secondary winding opposite the center tap would be useful. If the secondary windings are connected in series and a single load then just one bulb in series with the load. If the secondary windings are connected in parallel and one load then also just one bulb in series with the load. And last, you could put the bulb in series with the secondary center tap for common current limiting to either winding.
@soulrobotics
@soulrobotics 9 ай бұрын
a question: how you source your oscilloscope, RF generator, AC voltmeter, etc? with or without ground?.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 9 ай бұрын
All of my workbench instruments are plugged into a normal grounded outlet. It is bad practice and dangerous to float or isolate test equipment. If you need to use an oscilloscope and isolate from ground the safest way is to use something like a Fluke Scopemeter or differential scope probe. Most bench voltmeters and DMM's have floating inputs and are not a problem when working on isolation powered equipment.
@soulrobotics
@soulrobotics 9 ай бұрын
another question. Which is the best illumination? I always have filament bulb at 230VAC, but perhaps now are other options. The noise of the new LED bulbs is crazy...
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 9 ай бұрын
You can't use an LED lamp. It must be an incandescent bulb. Normally the bulb voltage is the same as the maximum line voltage. You are not choosing the bulb's wattage for how brilliant you want the bulb but rather based on how much current you expect the load to draw and how much current limiting you want. A low wattage bulb like 25 watts often limits too much current, and drops too much voltage on the bulb leaving little voltage for the load. A very large wattage like 500 watts won't offer much current limiting in most situations so you have to choose a bulb wattage appropriate for the load. If the bulb is glowing brightly you have too low of wattage for the intended load, or if the bulb wattage has been selected correctly, the load has a fault which is what we are protecting against.
@soulrobotics
@soulrobotics 8 ай бұрын
@@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Sorry, it was my fault. I changed the subject and the result to be more in line with the topic we were discussing. Of course, I know it should be a filament lamp as a series current limiter. I was referring to the illumination on your workbench and how people light up the area. LED lights generate a lot of spurious frequencies. In the past, I used a 220V 60W lamp, and that was it
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 8 ай бұрын
@@soulrobotics my work bench and the surrounding work area is illuminated by fluorescent lights. Some traditional ballast and some electronic ballast. Electronic ballast are electrically noisy. I also have an incandescent bulb overhead for times when I need light but must have the work area as electrically quiet as possible. Some videos are filmed with extra LED lights only to help with the camera exposure. LED lights generally are extremely electrically noisy.
@electronicrepairservice1705
@electronicrepairservice1705 5 ай бұрын
Good luck finding a suitable incandescent bulb. I was told they aren't being made anymore.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 5 ай бұрын
There's a lot of old stock still out there. I have several set aside for this test set up on my bench. They will last nearly forever since they only glow dimly.
@Tibetan1962
@Tibetan1962 3 ай бұрын
There are plenty still available, as specialty incandescents are still being made. I just bought a pair of 60-W yellow "bug bulbs" at my local Big Box store. These, plus rugged bulbs for refrigerators, etc, will be available for the duration.
@cajuncoinhunter
@cajuncoinhunter 2 ай бұрын
I just bought a pack of 4 .... 100 watt incandescent bulbs off of ebay for 8 bux ...... There's a ton of bulbs out there , buffet tables use the food safe ones that have unbreakable glass and the kitchens use them also.... Reptile owners need the old style bulbs for their pet iguanas and others ......
@andrewverran3498
@andrewverran3498 8 ай бұрын
Do microwave ovens have a suitable tranformer to use as an isolation transformer? Cheers PeaceFromOz
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 8 ай бұрын
No you can't use a microwave oven transformer because that type of transformer is a step up turns ratio. They produce a very high voltage on the secondary (vary dangerous too!). An isolation transformer is a 1:1 ratio so your line voltage on the primary is the same as the secondary voltage.
@andrewverran3498
@andrewverran3498 8 ай бұрын
@@EriksElectronicsWorkbench thank you .
@CollinBaillie
@CollinBaillie 5 ай бұрын
Logically it's obvious, but "for science" it would have been informative if, during the setup with the lamp in the middle, you had shown the voltage level on the Input of the isolating transformer also.
@dakata2416
@dakata2416 5 ай бұрын
TLDR: Isolation Transformer > Variac > Light bulb
@lmt200ish
@lmt200ish 8 ай бұрын
I have a nice iso transformer but no variac. I have been looking at a vac SC-10T from ebay that is a isolated variac but have not bought it because it seems everybody has seperate devices. I would like to know if the advatages and disadvantages of using a seperate variac and transformer vs a "all in one". I have a small bench so that would be one advantage for the SC-10T.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 8 ай бұрын
The SC-10T that I found on eBay does indicate on its schematic that it is both an isolation transformer and variac. (but for safety you should verify the isolation with an ohm meter if you buy it) If you connect an incandescent bulb in series on the output side you will essentially have the same arrangement as I use: isolation transformer->variac->bulb. From the provided advertising the all in one SC-10T should function the same as having separate components and a bit more space saving.
@lmt200ish
@lmt200ish 8 ай бұрын
@@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Thanks for the quick response. I am still watching your video and double checking my transformer for isolation.
@knyshov
@knyshov 7 ай бұрын
There's a video of the SC-10T taken apart. Once you disconnect the ground on its output, which is connected from factory, it's truly isolated.
@SteveHacker
@SteveHacker 2 ай бұрын
Someone please help me out here. I totally understand the dim bulb and the variac. They make total sense to me. Please help me understand the isolation transformer though. Now, I totally understand step-up, and step-down transformers, and so 1-to-1 also makes sense. I understand that the secondary side has to be COMPLETELY ISOLATED from the primary side; no connections between neutral, ground, etc. What I DO NOT understand, and what I can’t seem to wrap my head around is how this isolation makes me, my devices being serviced, or my tools (oscilloscopes for example) ANY SAFER… 120 volts is 120 volts, right? The secondary has 120 volts on it too, just like the primary, and if I grab one leg of that 120v with one hand, and the other leg of that 120v with the other hand, I AM going to shoot 120v through my heart, whether I am on the primary side, or the secondary side of the transformer. The secondary side isn’t magically turned into human-resistant voltage. It’s STILL DEADLY, so SOMEONE PLEASE explain to me how the isolation does any good. Ok, so I’m no longer connected to the breaker box neutral and earth ground (why can’t a 3-prong adapter/ground lift adapter plug do the same thing?), but I’m STILL dealing with that 120v on the secondary, so how am I any safer? This has boggled my mind for a while, and I know it shouldn’t…. but… it does… Thanks in advance for any insight…
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 2 ай бұрын
The isolation transformer does not protect the user in any way if you come in contact across the secondary. There is always that risk of shock. 120 volts from the isolation transformer is just as dangerous as from the wall outlet. But without the isolation transformer just one hand bumping a live point could inflict a lethal shock so the risk is at least reduced some with the isolation transformer. The isolation transformer can also make testing with a traditional grounded oscilloscope possible in certain situations although a full understanding of the circuit is needed and a shock hazard can still exist from exposed metal parts of the oscilloscope. A ground lift adapter won't isolate the item you are working on as the transformer is able to do. Keep in mind that vacuum tube equipment and devices like high powered audio amplifiers have high voltage DC power supplies in them so the AC line (isolated) is not the only shock hazard. It is best to follow the one hand rule and only probe or work with one hand near the live circuit as to minimize a shock going from one hand through your body and to the other hand. As always be safe and fully understand the safety precautions before working on a device.
@electrogrim
@electrogrim 2 ай бұрын
@@EriksElectronicsWorkbench I respectfully disagree. My understanding is that with no external reference the 120/240v exists across the load if you care to measure it there but there is no real live/hot/phase/whatever you want to call it, and no real neutral/common/wywtci. It's all arbitrary voltages that depend on where you measure it. Provided the device is properly isolated, if you should touch the notional "hot", you become the reference. You are grounded and the point that you touch becomes ground in the circuit. That's why it's so important not to have any other reference on the device. If you have, for instance, a grounded scope lead attached that will be a much better, as in lower impedence that you are and you will get a shock if you touch anywhere other than at that grounded scope. You can prove this safely. Imagine a 12v transformer with open output windings feeding a high resistance wire wound resistor. You could touch any part of the circuit with a voltmeter probe and the other probe to earth would give zero volts because the 12v has no other reference to ground. Now hard short that same point to ground and use the meter to measure any other point on the circuit to ground. You will get a voltage that varies between zero and 12v, depending on exactly where you put the test probe. The same thing happens with a mains isolating transformer. If there's no other earth reference you can touch any single point of the circuit.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 2 ай бұрын
@@electrogrim I think you misunderstood when I said "across the secondary". I mean across as in from one end of the transformer's secondary winding to the other end, you would be shocked. Voltage is always a two point reference. If you contact only one end of the secondary winding and everything is perfectly isolated then in theory you would not receive a shock.
@tbonemckone
@tbonemckone 2 ай бұрын
@@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Would the amp's power transformer typically have grounded connections? I assume that would defeat any protection that the isolation transformer provides when working on components fed from the secondary of the power transformer.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 2 ай бұрын
@@tbonemckone If the device has for example a chassis grounded center tap on the secondary of it's own transformer that would not matter as far as the protection from the isolation transformer. The primary winding side would not normally have a connection to the chassis.
@johnc.4625
@johnc.4625 25 күн бұрын
so I assume your secondary stage of the iso transformer has no ground reference , therefore the variac will have no ground reference and neither will the dim bulb and device under test. so besides placing two ground probes on the dut which can cause voltage potential if not in the same place, are their any other vunerabiltys , can yo be shocked by touching the metal casing of the Variac as it is not grounded or something of that sort. thank you.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 25 күн бұрын
Yes correct that the transformer secondary does not have a ground reference which is what the "isolation" is referring to. Since the transformer's secondary does not reference either side to ground, if a fault occurs, for example, in the variac making some part of it live to one of the isolated AC lines you would not be shocked because no return path exists from the user through ground and back to the transformer's secondary. This is also why you should not use a ground referenced oscilloscope on the isolation transformer's secondary (on DUT). If you introduce a ground path on any part of the transformer's secondary then yes a shock hazard will exist.
@johnc.4625
@johnc.4625 25 күн бұрын
@@EriksElectronicsWorkbench thank you for the detailed response I really appreciate that.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 25 күн бұрын
@@johnc.4625 Happy to help with questions and thanks for the donation. :)
@msouthwe1
@msouthwe1 18 күн бұрын
Could you please clarify what you mean about the ground referenced oscilloscope? Are you suggesting having the oscilloscope connected to an isolated supply and not a grounded mains?
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 18 күн бұрын
@@msouthwe1 AC mains powered oscilloscopes have the probe ground tied to chassis ground. You should not float an AC mains powered oscilloscope on an isolation transformer as there can still be a shock hazard if you contact a metal part of the scope and part of the circuit you are testing. In situations where the scope ground can't be tied to circuit ground potential the only safe way is to use an isolated ground scope like a Fluke Scopemeter or a differential scope probe.
@waynegram8907
@waynegram8907 Жыл бұрын
ERIKS, Why is the variac meter measuring "In rush current spikes", is the variac transformer or isolation transformer causing the In rush current spike? Transformers shouldn't cause in rush current spikes. The Test Set up Config#2 with the Current Limiting Light Bulb in the middle will light up at very low line voltage which means that the isolation transformers primary has "leakage current"?
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Жыл бұрын
Wayne, transformers will have an inrush current when they are switched on at the peak of the AC sine wave. The 1st configuration has the high current spikes at low settings of the VARIAC because of the arrangement of the components and how they interact. All transformers have some current flow in the primary with no load/no current on the secondary. This is normal. The no load current flow is *not* from leakage current.. i.e. breakdown of the insulation. Technically the no load current between two transformers can be brought to near zero with a capacitor in parallel between them but this is really not needed on the size of transformers and currents we are dealing with here.
@waynegram8907
@waynegram8907 Жыл бұрын
@@EriksElectronicsWorkbench When does a transformers have current flow in the primary with NO load on the secondary? The primary insulation is breaking down means there is "leakage current" flowing from the Top of the primary coil to the bottom of the primary coil. The Neutral wire on the bottom of the primary coil should be zero volts/zero amps. If it measures microamps uA or mA that is leakage current from the transformers eddy currents or transformers insulation. Try making a video lesson on how to test various transformers 1.) leakage current, .) in rush current, 3.) the transformers "isolation tests" how to test a transformers isolation
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Жыл бұрын
@@waynegram8907 An ideal transformer would have no internal loss and would not draw current if there is no secondary load but such is not the case in actual use. Transformers draw a small amount of primary current with no secondary load in order to establish the flux in the transformer core. Power up a transformer and leave it with no load on the secondary and you will find it becomes warm to the touch after a while which shows there is some small loss in the core. Yes, I will consider making a video on transformers, testing and so on.
@waynegram8907
@waynegram8907 Жыл бұрын
@@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Yes the small loss in the core is Eddy Currents which are from the magnetic field flux magnetizing the core material which the Eddy currents creates heat. When testing various transformers Losses in the video lesson would help out. When applying a Squarewaveform 20hz to 20khz to an audio transformer you will see ringing and harmonics because of the transformers wafers laminations materials and core wire insulation material used which will vibrate and resonance causing the ringing, hysteresis, harmonics to go over in the video lesson.
@TediChannel23Ja
@TediChannel23Ja Жыл бұрын
Nice Chanel
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@conwaynoel3715
@conwaynoel3715 9 ай бұрын
Having the variac feeding the IT will cause problems . At low variac voltages the primary of the IT will struggle to generate secondary voltage due to back EMF. Could you do a vid on the difference between a tech IT and a medical IT.
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 9 ай бұрын
The isolation transformer will work fine at low voltages but the slight mismatch between the variac and isolation transformer means you might have to set the variac output a little higher to compensate for the loss. But that setup would still allow setting any voltage out of the isolation transformer from zero upwards. I don't have a medical grade isolation transformer but typically medical grade means it has strict safety measures for ground faults, i.e a fault that could harm a person since the transformer could power a device directly attached to a person.
@exdafrianz3939
@exdafrianz3939 23 күн бұрын
Is there a simple analog soft start circuit?😅 plan to use for angle grinder
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench
@EriksElectronicsWorkbench 22 күн бұрын
If you want to limit the inrush current surge a single component can do this, called the NTC Thermistor, you can find them here www.mouser.com/c/circuit-protection/thermistors/ntc-thermistors/ you have to choose the proper resistance and wattage rating among other things. Keep in mind some motors cannot be current limited as they will not start up correctly and will overheat.
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