Thank you for your comment Ron! Yes I do realise that the term 'western' is losing its precision nowadays as many cultures around the world are influenced by these originally 'western' musical concepts and ideas. I still think that as of today, there is still a discernible difference between western music and other musical cultures that the term hasn't entirely lost its relevance.

@@neilchanmusic If you wanted a music degree in Japan, Norway, Brazil, Italy, Indonesia, Spain, Russia, Canada, Australia, England, China, Germany, Poland, Peru or the United States, for instance, you would analyze the European composers' works using staff-notation and the Piano. Any major college, university, or music-academy. The only major country that is the exception is . . . ? Of course different countries/cultures have their own unique and wonderful musical styles and histories, but virtually everyone studies the same basic curriculum in order to have common ground and a harmonious musical language.

@@ronrobbins2737 That I have to respectfully disagree Ron, though I genuinely appreciate this discussion :) I think you're assuming that having an institution confer a music degree legitimises the music practice. There are many musical cultures that recognise musical achievements without the use of a degree. Since we're talking about carnatic music here, the point in which a carnatic musician reaches musical maturity is at his or her arangetram (first major performance). That is a huge event, and often means much more than any musical degree, and it is equally significant for the guru and the disciple. While there are many carnatic music degrees conferred by institutions in India, the music itself does not use western notation. It would be impossible to notate the nuances of carnatic ragas with the limitations of this notation system. Indian music aside, there are many other sophisticated musical cultures that do not use western notation. Examples include Balinese/Sundanese/Javanese gamelan, Shona mbira music, flute music in the Andes region, guqin music of china, mongolian long song and throat singing, the list goes on. Yes there aren't many institutions that confer music degrees for these musics, but that does not make them any less significant than western music. I also wanted to disagree with the notion of 'virtually everyone... having a harmonious musical language'. Music isn't a universal language. Amid the diversity of musical styles around the world, we cannot assume that we can understand another musical culture different from our own simply because we are musicians in our own cultural practice. We can appreciate the music as we appreciate the sound of a foreign spoken language, but we cannot understand it.

@@neilchanmusic Nice discussion! Yes, music IS the universal language; but Indian music, not so much: Wonderful jazz-schools and musicians from Spain to Nepal, Chopin competitions featuring pianists from almost every country, Bach festivals too numerous to mention, Jazz festivals from Tokyo, Indonesia, & beyond. Brilliant musicians from almost every corner of the world populating world-class symphony orchestras. As a music-teacher here in Southern California, I've had many Indian students learning wind-instruments. Struggling to learn trumpet/flute/sax, and even pop-singing, every single brilliant wonderful boy, girl, or man was at a great disadvantage by not having been exposed to "western music," piano training, or staff-notation, at an early age, growing up in traditional Indian families.

@@ronrobbins2737 This is exciting! Please don’t take it to mean that I am accusing you of being prejudiced in any way - I do not imply that - simply because we are all culturally biased (I mean everyone, including myself) in various ways due to our upbringings and personal lived expriences. I find your statement that ‘music is the universal language, but Indian music, not so much’ to be contradictory. You could be implying that Indian music isn’t really music, which would be absurd. It’s likely that you mean to say that western music is a universal language, while other musics are not. However, all of the musical examples you have mentioned so far all come from the western world: Chopin, Bach, pianists, jazz, symphony orchestras, trumpet, flute (assuming western flute), sax, pop-singing, staff-notation… these are all derived from the western art music tradition. I have personally taught carnatic music to professional western classical musicians and to students at world-renown conservatories, and they struggle tremendously to pick up the concepts. Much like how your students from an Indian musical background struggled to pick up 'western' musical concepts. This 'struggle' is of no fault of theirs - but simply that they are learning a musical language that is not native to them. I also found it challenging to learn carnatic music initially, but after 8 years of study I have gotten the ropes of it. I think you would be fascinated to learn and discover more about the diverse world of music out there, seeing as you're a music teacher yourself! It is my encouragement that you explore other musical cultures! It’s an exciting world for a musician to discover. There are annual Thyagaraja festivals all over the world (even in the United States), flamenco gatherings in Taiwan and Japan (amongst others), new-age Andean flute music buskers all over the world, west African drum circles… I wish I had another lifetime to study and perform all these musical cultures. I'm happy you came across my video too, and I hope I have impacted your musical journey in a positive way, even if we don't agree on certain points.

Yup, that's right! Happy to help.

Yeah man. It's hilarious how he sang the Indian classical part,

You're very welcome!

I would love to make a video on that! I would have to do more research to make a good one first though. Maybe I'll do some short videos on the topic before I tackle the long one. You can keep find my short videos on instagram, tiktok, and of course youtube shorts :)

Glad to be of service!

Thanks for listening, sending love from Singapore to India!

You're welcome!

Thank you too! It's a pleasure to share my knowledge with you.

Hi Hila, that is very kind of you, thank you! I appreciate it a lot.

haha, thank you for your support. I hope to grow my audience lots more!

@@neilchanmusic shared ur vid on all social medias I am on 😁👍

Thank you very much, I really appreciate that!

You're welcome! I'm quite used to the even-tempered tuning of western music, since I grew up with it. It doesn't bother me much, but it doesn't have the same impact as melodies outside of the even-tempered restrictions.

Glad you liked it! Enjoy listen to Classical Indian music!

That's a great idea, I'll try to do it sometime soon. Thank you Moon!

Thank you very much!

Thank you for your kind words :)

Hey Shmuel, for the vast majority of the time, pieces will stay in one raga throughout. There is a specific type of composition called a ragamalika where multiple ragas are performed in one piece, but these compositions are uncommon. Hmm, I'd love to touch on ragas but my training is in carnatic rhythm. It'd take another lifetime for me to study ragas to a level that I feel confident and justified to teach them to you. Then again, I could do an overview video that'll give you a taste of the characteristics of ragas without going in-depth. Perhaps I'll work on that!

@@neilchanmusic Great idea. Thanks

@@Mherkava Welcome!

👍 explanation! I’m only a novice, but someone talked about this on a KZfaq video, so sharing: Even Tamil movie songs employ these changes. For example, songs from an old classic “Apoorva Ragangal”(from Wikipedia): Two songs are ragamalikas, i.e. compositions having different verses set to different ragas.[3][43] "Yezhu Swarangalukkul" is set in Panthuvarali,[44][45] Kambhoji,[46] Sindhu Bhairavi and Ranjani.[47][48] "Athisaya Raagam" begins in Mahati,[49][50] and shifts to Bhairavi with the line "Oru Puram Paarthaal".[51]

Love from Singapore! The world's cultures are so wonderfully diverse, it'd be a shame to limit yourself to just what you're comfortable with :)

Lmao the technology you’re using is a result of not just capitalism but hyper-capitalism. Capitalism and imperialism is what led to the mixing of cultures. Also music is a capitalist profession. Do you think musicians should just give away their music? How will you hear about musicians if you can’t buy their records? How will they pay to make those records?

@@gordianknot6867 Music is a capitalist profession.Yes. But why? Musicians and non-musicians underwent a whole goddam change, under the industrial era, and majorly every profession lived at the mercy of these industrialists and imperialist vampires, in one way or the other. We are living in capitalist dwelling, now ofcourse. Talk about Indian music, it was culturally butchered, in the likes of these capitalists and its core essence was lost by late 19th century. I vehemently agree to what u refer as technology, the affer-effect of hyper-capitalism. That is a paradox, indeed to speak against capitalism on a capitalist outgrowth. But if what u talk about is monetary sustainance of musicians , hear you: Indian music dates long back to, 3500 BCE, the Dravidian Era, and not only musicians but life in general was but elixir. Music is for the people and by the people, and that it what gives it the confidence to sustain all odds. In a capitalist dwelling, it's obvious to overlook or be ignorant, to the systems, non-identical. All forms of art, Gandharva and Sangita, flourished in all its glory, as mentioned by Vyasa in our epic , Mahabharata. Music in India, was a godly passion, and unlike western culture, it was devoured in, with utmost discipline. Musicians were never at the mercy of labels and producers, as of now, and talent was what seperated men from lads.

@@fightback7623 I think the change you are referring to is the ability to record music and and sell it as produce. Tell all this stuff to jay Z, Beyoncé, mick jagger and see how they feel about giving up their wealth. Music gave the common man and woman a social ladder to climb, dirt poor people became rich artists and it bettered their lives, communism cripples culture the same way hyper greedy capitalists do too. Musicians aren’t at the mercy of labels, they can choose a label or start their own. That’s what’s happening now, indie artists are putting their music out on the internet instead. Being a musician is a self employed job, how you gonna advertise your music if you’re on the same amount as everyone else and cannot afford to? how are you gonna record the music, If you cannot afford to? How are people going to buy the music if they cannot afford to? how are they gonna attend a concert if they cannot afford to? And if they don’t have to pay for any of this stuff how does the artist make a living? They have to tour for free? The record producers have to record for free? The promoters have to promote for free? Well what if the amount the state pays doesn’t match the demand? Under communism everyone is equally oppressed.

​@@fightback7623 you look at the past with rose colored lenses.

Great to hear that Manav! Hm counterpoint is still very much bound by the rules of harmony in Western music! There are underlying harmonies at any point of the counterpoint melodies, so you are still restricted in that way both melodically and rhythmically. It's not necessarily a bad thing though, because harmonies are gorgeous!

If I am not wrong, I think it is already being done in Indian cinema music & western + Indian fusion music

It is a beautiful art form, it's been a pleasure studying and sharing it!

Glad to share what I know with you!

Essentially its having separate melodic lines singing in different registers. The soprano is the highest, followed by alto, then tenor, and bass is the lowest. Each line harmonises well with the others to produce an aesthetically pleasing effect.

@@neilchanmusic what is it called if one has to search for it on internet?.is it harmony or choir or mixed vocals..or what tutorials? Hope I have made myself clear 😊

@@shailendramassey1386 If you're looking for classical choir styles, you could search 'SATB choir', but if you're aiming for more pop style harmonies, you could search 'tight harmonies'. Hope this helps!

Definitely you can! But you need to understand both the raga and western harmony. Not all ragas sound good over certain chords. It’s been done before but not a lot. You should check out John McLaughlin’s work.

There are 10 thaats (parent raag), from these thaat raag references various different raags were developed.

Thank you so much for sharing! It sounds like an excellent book to delve deeper into the subject.

​@@neilchanmusic It definitely is. But people like you share great content, too. There is so much great music on this planet. Peace!

Hey Domenico, I seldom play nylon strong classical guitars, but that'd be interesting to listen to. Unfortunately I don't think I'm the right person to attempt it!

Glad to connect with you here, sending love from Singapore to India :)

Thank you :D it's great fun

Haha, thank you for your kind words. Well, sounding good doesn't necessarily mean 'correct' as far as the precise pitch and articulations in carnatic raga go. I studied carnatic vocal for a while, but not nearly long enough to claim that I can sing a raga accurately.

Music Culture could be there but music principles were not established first in Shastriya Sangeet... And our Music is not as detailed because it is an Oral pauranik Guru Shishya parampara... And not generalised... The only book where it's generalised is Sagiruddin Khan's book after he published and pass the knowledge that are intricate for upcoming generation which is not that ancient... I would say Churches played an important role of constant contribution in developing and funding of Western Classical Music and generalised the theories but here we can learn through only Gurus who are known as Legacies of the Pundits and Ustads... Basically it's like a PhD but nothing is noted and these valuable information are hidden or lost

@@supratikdas3734 there is difference between carnatic and hindustani music. You are talking about Hindustani music.

@@lindnerxyz haha, I think you don't know anything about Music. Ignorance is harmful.😑

@@supratikdas3734 you should listen, Chandrashekhar Astakam by Sound of Isha. The best example of Ancient Carnatic Music.

@@lindnerxyz i Think you are talking about Hindustani Islamic version of Indian Music. Ancient Indian music system is Carnatic Music. Which is very complex and deep. I think,you haven't heard any Carnatic Music.

I don't think one system is better than the other. Rather, they are quite different and each has it's strengths and weaknesses.