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I'd like to see a deeper dive into pokemon. Maybe a full hour going over these AI or another video going over later AI even if they don't cheat.

Gen 4-9 or maybe just battle stadium or whatever it’s called

​@@jeffwhite1334Battle Revolution for the Wii?

very "AI" like, am i right?

PRAISE AATTVV

It was Barrier, not Reflect.

ATV the legend

@@aminadabbrulle8252 As another Poketuber called it, "Dragonite breaking the sound barrier". 😆

Or Erika spaming wrap

I got softlocked in the Sabrina gym battle. My last pokemon was Kadabra, and I could not outdamage it's recover...

I had to struggle my mew to death 😭

Yeah Sabrina was actually the toughest trainer Bobby original eight in Agatha was the toughest of the elite four that Gengar of hers gave me nightmares

Hah, clever

Wtf

dont forget 'retroactive Potions'...

Best seen with Brock and his Full Heals. If your pokemon is faster and inflicts a status condition on his pokemon, even with a secondary effect like Twinneedle or Ember, Brock will use a Full Heal on it that exact same turn.

I think the ai works similarly in colosseum and xd

As a challenge runner once said about gen 1 ai, 'You're a dirty cheater cheater pumpkin eater'

cool

Lmao I did that once. It was too difficult for the player to avoid starvation, so I made it so that you have 1/3 chance of dying when the game checks and you’re out of food. It would’ve been smarter to just add more food to the loot pool, but it was late and I was tired.

It's like how Donkey Kong 64 requires the memory expansion pack to "fix" a memory leak

@@riotef2493 This really was a strange case, where the bug wasn't actually fixed, but slapping an expansion pak in the N64 managed to mitigate the issue so much that it's hardly noticeable, compared to someone having gone through the code and actually fixing the issue.

Only damage moves with higher power?

When I did the research for this video I was very surprised at how they overhauled the entire architecture for the AI from gen 1 to gen 2, and then did it again for gen 3

@@Abyssoft Change of processing power from GB to GBC and then GBA, or Game Freak just getting their shit together?

​@@musiikkimies9241 it wouldn't be processor power that allowed these changes. These are simple calculations that wouldn't stress a CPU. Plus, Gold and Silver could be played on a Gameboy along with the GBC

​@@devolov1 "Simple calculations that wouldn't stress the cpu." Remember this is gamefreak, they are historically terrible at space management. Even the more recent games have a ton of unnecessary files that could have been cleaned up to help the games run better. Or to fit more content into the games.

@@IGSA101You're completely missing the point. If its space issues then it isn't the limitations of the CPU. CPU has very little to do with the size, at least in this situation (and tbh, most of them. It's not the bottleneck lol)

There are a ton of examples like this I wish I coulď have included, but I only have time for so many

@@Abyssoft I thought I'd add this as everyone just assumes the super effective status move issue was fixed in gen 2. I thought it was too until I encountered this and looked through the decompiled code on github myself 😅

What's really silly is that Pokémon GO had the same bug at launch.

At first I thought you were going to mention type efficacy is bugged in Gen I(e.g. Psychic being resistant to the only Ghost-type move that doesn't have a fixed damage amount based on a Pokemon's level, rather than being weak), but what you've explained is something I wasn't even aware of. Kinda crazy learning stuff about games I've played to death over the past 25 years.

i remember in silver i chose apprnetly the worst starter the bayleaf dinosour pokemon and was so used to seeing "its not very effective" one hit next "its not very effective" one hit dead, to point i thught it was atualy reversed and "super effective" was bad, also diddent realize importance of stat moves till gen 3 or 4. just both me and my mom (she only played gen 1 and part 2) "s s hi h tty moves"

yeah categorizing healing moves differently than setup moves would have fixed this problem, use setup moves on turn 1 and then healing moves later

Also, setup moves are pretty useless when you'll OHKO anyway; best to attack first if attacking is an auto-win.

@@RedFoxtail26 that's really not an issue with the AI but with the game design. Even if the AI is bad the game would be at least a bit more challenging with changes to other elements. The opponents' pokemon are all weak and/or have bad moves compared to yours (partially because DVs, but also the pokemon themselves). A lot of trainers have pokemon that just suck in their level, in their stats, and they only have like 2 good moves in their learnset but gamefreak chose to give them really bad ones. Pokemon having ass learnsets was a general problem in RBY but you see it more in the pokemon opposing trainers have. If they actually had good pokemon even the poopy AI in the game could make it a bit more difficult, and even more so if the AI had been better programmed

@@door-chan I wasn't even phrasing that as an issue; I meant it more as another potential reason for the setup phase being turn two 😅

@@RedFoxtail26 if that was the reason why, then why would there be a setup turn at all? Every turn should be an attacking turn

false swipe gaming

I thought it was more of the game letting the player set up first so they get the advantage, like how in the first battle of every game the rival doesn't use the only status move it has at the beginning

I agree. Theres a good reason for it being turn 2, mainly for recovery. And programmers who make that mistake usually do it inconsistently and run into compile errors, never would happen over an entire project

Recover and rest aren't setup moves.

Not to mention gamefreak implemented breeding, shinies, radio overlay, bag management, held items. Gen 2 was the framework for modern day pokemon. 🐐

Not really. For all of the bells and whistles that gen 2 added, I think the RPG elements in the game actually took a massive step back. It's nearly unplayable with its embarrassing lack of new good Pokémon and terrible pacing.

​@@radaf4429They spent so much time on other features, but the core game is really undercooked, i agree.

@@radaf4429 None of that is the "framework," though. The game was poorly balanced (they must have had a REALLY dumb group of play testers), but they did add a ton of new mechanics that became core parts of the series.

@iang0th I'm willing to concede that. I would also point out though that a lot of the introduced mechanics were either not good enough to return or were really not great in their original capacity: -Pokegear calls are bothersome and do little to improve the game. -Pokémon happiness is cumbersome and a few moves and evolutions are not enough to justify its inclusion, especially where Umbreon and Espeon are concerned. -Held items and Berries were so underdeveloped that it really took until Gen 3 for them to really be a good inclusion. The only good held items were Leftovers, Thick Club on Marowak only, and maybe Mint Berry. I don't consider PSNCUREBERRY and PRZCUREBERRY to be even close to the system that would follow and supplant it. -Held item trade evolutions are diabolical. -Of the 6 each of Dark and Steel type Pokémon were included, only a handful were really that great, and the only moves at or above 80 BP were Crunch and Iron Tail, and most Pokémon couldn't learn them as stab. -Pokémon genders is a pretty sensible inclusion that was technically already in the game. Same thing with the creation of Special Attack and Special Defense. -The day/night cycle makes playing the game a less accessible. I don't want to have to wait until Friday to catch a Lapras, or, God forbid, get up in the morning to catch a Pokémon. -Breeding and shinies are genuinely good and more or less unchanged from their current state. Compare that with Gen 3, and you'll see that: -Double battles were introduced, with many moves interacting in interesting ways, especially when you factor in -Abilities, which added a whole new dimension of strategy to the game, and RSE supported it by giving unique ability-based strategies and drawbacks to Pokémon like Plusle and Minun, Slaking, not to mention moves like Skill Swap -A completely overhauled Berry system that gives them real names and appearances, which combine with -Pokémon contests, one of the best side modes in the series, which requires a considerable deal of preparation and strategy in its own right -A Battle Frontier which added real post game in for the first time. Not all facilities were winners, but most of them were -Diving and underwater exploration, which I find to be excellent And that's just a short list. I respect Gen 2 for kickstarting a lot of ideas that went on to be good things for the series, but in the form presented in the game, most of them weren't really anything special, especially compared to other gens.

10 year anniversary!

The bad match up thing is mostly for switches after you KO their pokemon, though mid battle switches do happen in certain situations.

They may have made hundreds of programming errors they couldn't patch until the sequels/re-releases (due to DLC not existing on their platforms at the time), but Nintendo/GameFreak definitely knows their way around their assemblers and compilers.

Twitch plays pokémon

@@vaiyt was 10 years ago.

​@@Jackpkmnso?

@@vaiyt The All Terrain Venomoth. Drove over those dragons and brought us victory

This is because if you have two potential abilities the AI 50-50s between the 2 and then stores the information later until you switch, even if it's smart AI. Also for some reason there's a bug with intimidate where it will force the AI to forget you have the ability even if it has already stored the ability.

@@niaxeno I've had it happen on a Ninetales and a Jolteon both of which only have one ability though Also they would resist the hits anyway so attacking them with moves of these types made no sense

@@tabbender1232 Agreed. I assume they have no knowledge what ability the pokemon should have, which makes sense, it would be a lot of extra code for the trainer to check every pokemon and their ability. Plus, it also gives the player a sense of outsmarting their opponent, which makes the 'oversight' actually add to the experience. Though there still are plenty of unintentional oversights left in the games, like how Zoroark royally fucks with the AI. It will spam Psychic until the heat death of the universe against a Crogunk that's actually a Zoroark, even after it shows to have no effect, cause it never saw the ability text.

Speak for yourself red/blue could be broken on accident how do you think missing no was so well known

I mean, the Gameboy is arguably a lower res, initially black and white, but technically more powerful NES. I dunno if we can credit the hardware for holding a rudimentary turn based RPG back too much.

@@bellowingsilence I mean NES RPGs also had really bad AI, on top of not being nearly as complicated as Pokemon (tech wise, not gameplay wise)

​@@nathanieljones8043 you dont think that a game with all that compressed data and no memory protection only having a few little quirks in the edge cases isn't impressive?

You can patch cartridges

Thought the same

In the data sheets he's in both categories, I assume that means there are instances of him with cat 1 AI and others where he has up to cat 3, this is an assumption on my part though.

One of my favorite parts of a video of this sort is excellent research and data sorting. Excellent work!

It did, videos where I have to animate graphics and data are always time consuming

God bless bro, it totally paid off the effort! ​@@Abyssoft

Yes, in gen 1, the AI moves after you. It can also "predict" your switches.

I'll look into it

@@Abyssoft Thanks a ton!

@@sagacious03 I rechecked the links, they should work now.

@@Abyssoft Thanks a ton once again!

nvm he either messed up in one area or another. either he messed up in milk drink on in the earlier area.

For gens 1 and 2 the lowest priority was selected (which I did say at the end of the gen 1 section) and gen 3 it selects the highest, which I also mentioned.

should of stocked up on food instead of toilet paper durring 2020. i been saying why ppl buying TP when no food to make dookdook with? like would see peaoples fridge, beer a LOT of beer, and toilet paper stocked in restroom, but no food, what good TP without food?

Not unless you use an X-accuracy beforehand, this makes the game skip the accuracy check and the 1/256 glitch that is required for the move rage to miss, making the battle truely a softlock with no hope of escape.

We couldn't figure out any text to work with this one, so we just went with an image

You'd have to ask the developers why they did that, all we know is that they did it that way, but I agree, dividing 256 by 4 gives 64, and instead of doing that they opted to slightly alter the probability so some are weighted slightly higher.

@@Abyssoft it's such an oddly low number of increased chance, too. Like, if it was so there was a weighted difference towards offensive rather than defensive moves I'd understand the reasoning. Anyway, excellent video, buddy. Found it really interesting. :) subbed.