I will say I personally am enjoying it. I do think the frog's definitely left a stain on the game for sure, I do think it's more for folks obtaining collectibles they weren't able to get back than, or even new players like myself leading into retail now. Overall though I am enjoying it but ofc things can always be better and much much more improved. Great video Preach, Lock It In 🔒

I'm enjoying it with what little time I have gotten for it. Sadly they keep nerfing each blast it fun before I get there. So I'm stuck in the shitty forced to grind it mode that sucks ass.

Got my tusks which is all I wanted, the levelling experience is ait too.

Got my tusks finally and I feel like I am playing dynasty warriors instead of wow so I love it.

I am one of those people who was about 1,5 hours every day to play WoW. I am spending all of my time in Remix. I am having a great time. I don't really care about all this nerfing and grinding etc. I am having fun at the moment and that's why I play. Retail is not giving me the satisfaction of power and power gain that Remix is currently giving me, so yeah, I doubt I'd last until the prepatch without Remix. That said, I totally agree that Blizz still has not learned how to run a 'live' game. The Helldivers 2 devs totally get it, they are doing great stuff engaging the community. Even though I do not play, I enjoy reading about it in my feeds. Blizz seem like a bunch of autistic kids trying to make the world fit into their little box.

Pretty much! It is sad how many want to grind bootlickers are commenting on this video. People want to blast not grind!

More like "Too soon, playerbase, too soon". You needed to become broken on day 89 of 90, not day 10.

@@Shiirow Yeah, the problem with having completely broken people on day 1 is every raid becomes "be a frog killer or don't get an invite" when it's supposed to just be a fun mode.

​@@raidwipe Except that because of the nerf and ineffectual rollback, every group run is just one frogger and nine carries.

@@God_is_a_High_School_Girl That's fine, as long as it's not 8 froggers and 2 carries. (Though I do agree - they should roll back everyone even further)

Wouldn't matter nearly as much IF: 1- Upgrade cost was not so insane. OR 2- Heroic / mythic raids dropped WAY more bronze than normal/lfr. Like 4x-10x more. Upgrading is so mandatory in later raids that skill means absolutely nothing, only ilvl will allow you to survive unavoidable damage. But you do not recoup that cost at all.

@@jbutler8585 Or another way to upgrade. Like 1%, 0,1% chances to get upgrades from running content. Or getting a stacking discount, like: For each hero dungeon you finish, you get a 5% discount on you next upgrade, stacking to 20.

That's really the problem

Yeah, but if they don't do anything, then people get so OP that we get, what we have today: there's no rares to fight because they die instantly. That shines a bright spotlight on the biggest two problems: Forced CRZ and gating all open world progression behind rare spawns.

@@Dhalin so the solution would be…speed up spawns. We are working with the bronze and infinites? Why can’t get a consumable which forces rare spawns within like 100yds for spawn

​@Dhalin bruh, just add faster spawn timer... how can you not see that?

@@doomnotron That won't fix it. If something dies before you can tag it, it's still going to die before you can tag it even if it spawned faster.

It's not fun for the majority of casual players if they get kicked and can't get groups due to not grinding frogs for a few hours, that's why it needs to be solved

Who could've seen this comming...

I mean, Blizzard has done this over and over and over at this point. Seems like you guys should kind of expect them to be lying about stuff like that at this point.

@@raidwipe Just make non frog farmer friendly groups yourselves; non frog farmers outnumber frog farmers.

​@@raidwipe But reducing the growth rate will only exacerbate the divide between those with the time to grind for hours and those who don't. Blizzard is actively making things WORSE for those without enough time.

I enjoyed my time in this broken mess, even without farming frogs. They made the game fun a power fantasy like it should be

BS. It's fine. Learn to do it right.

@@eboethrasher You must be crazy, I'm the strongest player on any server. Come by I'll show you.

God you people live for the drama. It’s fine. Is it the best it could be? No. But it’s fun. Bosses melt. People are OP someone solo’d one side of heroic spoils of Pandaria the other day.

lmfao yeah they fucked it up, thats why the only ones that are done with it are the people that tried to hardrush through it all with frogfarming. Everyone else still has fun and is able to solo heroic raids. And theres still over a month left. You guys are the biggest clowns lmfao "Boohoo they didn't let me finish the entire event within 3 days. How am I going to cry about not having content left within a week now?" EDIT: I now read your second comment, you're a grown ass man talking like a 14 year old in a CoD lobby. That is even more embarassing XD

they will, but in the last month or so as a hail mary of getting people to stay subbed

Level toons, who needs to upgrade gear? it isn't a dick measuring contest.

lol

The people who can 1 shot everything from killing frogs won't be playing in a month. I honestly don't see the point in nerfing any of it, it's meant to just be fun and OP

Let's define unbalanced nightmare, shall we? I don't think it's fair that people's lack of self control means that every dungeon has turned into a boost. It's boring as hell. As much as I can see the point and I wouldn't exactly mind an unbalanced nightmare, this is also a game which is supposed to be fun and if the unbalanced nightmare, as it were, is just boring, then what's the point? Also, I'm not talking about boring for the frogger, this is an mmo with group content, the fact that 1% of the playerbase is 10000% more powerful than 99% of the rest makes it incredibly boring to not grind frogs for hours (also boring). Also, if everyone was "OP and unbalanced" then nobody are, imagine a raid boss with a full group of froggers. It's gone in less than a second, you can just fill the group with dps. Blizzard would have to buff raids etc. To keep the integrity of the fact that it's a game, and then you are just back to square one.

@@omega1231 I think you are taking the game way too serious, it's not retail just a bit of fun. If you and all the others taking this seriously have nothing else to moan about in wow you should get a mirror

@@omega1231 I ain't reading all that.

I was frog pilled day 1, stay mad

The entire concept of osrs tho is your playing solo especially in leagues where there is no trading and your not forced to group up with people because you get so overpowered that even your average player can easily do difficult "group" bosses solo. Wow does not work the same way at all, your progression is entirely tied to group content even if you do no group content you will eventually hit a wall where if you want to progress you have to do group content. Remix was always labeled as a reliving of the old xpack but with extra powerful effects meaning raids and dungeons are a massive part of that and if people were extremely overpowered come a month in nobody would have cared but when people who abused frogs or other farms go into dungeons and raids they take away almost all of the fun for everyone else in there and instead of it feeling like a raid or dungeon your spectating someone else doing it.

OSRS devs are just built different. Also it's just not fair... They got God Ash.

@@Zemilia22 The OSRS devs likely would of rolled back or actually taken care of the exploit like Froggers or Valor cappers in Cata. And they certainly wouldn't of made an "event" that's suppose to be fun...A daily fest to feel strong. Even as the most grindy game in existence the devs tone it back on events like Leagues/Deadman.

in leagues people wouldn’t even care if stuff like frogs was nerfed because the game is fun without it. The reason people hunt for all these grinds is cause mop remix is boring and people are looking for any way to get their stuff and get out. People just want to get it over with. OSRS leagues is fun from the first minute you play and the levels are flying in

@@scoops2 Bang on the money bro

Even worse is the fact that micromanaging a pointless distraction like this actively takes time and resources away from not only the main game itself, but from the upcoming expansions. Not to mention the fact that people would probably rather just have a solid main-game to play - you know, the thing they paid for in the first place - rather than monthly distractions that are only there to try and pull you away and distract you from the flaws of the retail experience.

That frog boss should be stronger every time someone kills a frog...it would be hilarious to see a group of froggies trying desperately to outfarm exponentially growing frog boss

Ah yes, the Gates of Ahn'QiFrogs

this already exists, check out the isle of frogs in Krasarang Wilds, kill enough frogs an uber boss comes out and 1 shots everyone

Sounds like what cd project red did when people were grinding cows in witcher 3

@@MrSherhi These are the kind of people that would take it as a challenge and keep pushing it to see how far they can go for bragging rights

In a game designed around power fantasy, who would have guessed feeling OP would be fun. Clearly not Blizz

Torghast looked awesome on ptr until they did that and D4 in PTR was the same

Were you really having fun killing frogs for 3 hours a day? Seriously. Has WoW fallen into such a state that mob grinding for hours is what's considered the "fun" part of the game now?

Were you really having fun killing frogs for 3 hours a day? Seriously. Has WoW fallen into such a state that mob grinding for hours is what's considered the "fun" part of the game now?

​@@Davivd2 mob grinding has always been a thing. It's not the mob grinding part that's fun it's usually what comes after.

That sounds like complaints about Dark Souls lol.

​@@Subject_Keter don't see how this applies to dark souls at all.

​@@enderfawx3063 the games literally got no progression, your guy could just sleep in and exactly nothing can change. It all happened before abd yet the world just moves on. Very boring if your guy actions are "oh ya what you did didnt matter as it will fall apart in 20 seconds." Come on now.

why the fuck you would play one toon for the whole time is beyond me.

This^ i don't feel overpowered. I feel like a normal retail player grinding content I did several years ago.

level multiple toons and buy what you want. Why would you want to raid in a special version of the game that isn't permanent?

@@eboethrasheryou have to raid to “buy what you want”. The garrosh heirlooms and shoulders are the most coveted items

That’s the thing, you weren’t supposed to get ALL the rewards. Thats the fucking problem. Yall expected to get everything, and I mean EVERYTHING. It’s not intended unless you no life it.

@@edwardweaver6869 then fuck what was intended, who is the paying customer here?

@@netherialdreyrimani lol just cus you pay money doesn’t mean everything should be obtainable. Do me a favor, how many events in the past have you been able to get everything for without no lifing it?”

​@@edwardweaver6869hello Mr Kotick

@@enderfawx3063 I’ll ask again. Point out a limited time event you could get everything without putting forth any effort. Gamers have become so pathetically lazy it’s actually impressive. Miss me with your ad hominem attacks. At the rate I’m going I’ll probably be done in under half way through the event. So stop bitching and play the damn game. If your goal is to play the game to NOT play it; have you considered you don’t enjoy the game and probably should quit?

We'd still need at least 2 versions cuz I am not playing retail 😂

@@ahetzel9054 Dont worry, youll be playing (while be sub'd mind you) Dragonflight Classic soon enough.

Blizzard put in effort? Shit, you saw the effort they put into D4 right? Entire leadership needs fired an some people that are for the player instead of against. An the business model they are adopting too needs scrapped along with the leadership.

Yeah, but then the frog-grinders start insta-killing the rares like they're doing now, and the rest of us can't find anything to kill because the entire zone is always dead. Ooo, we can fight the occasional elite, maybe take an hour to find enough elites to get our piddly 250 rep hoping we can get Honored before the 90 days are up so we can finish the campaign... /eyeroll

@@Dhalin I think at this point blizzard should just up the speed on certain reps such as Timeless isle and the Isle of Thunder one and then boost peoples power lvls close to those who frog farmed. I think by now theres just so many overpowered players that we are losing out anyways. My lock struggles to get into normals sometimes and when i do like 5 out of the 10 people in there have over 5m hp. Idk the event is fun for me cause i played mop when it was current but being so far behind (well feeling so far behind) it just feels like itll be harder for me to go for the herioc raid title and if i chose to try go for the FoS for Mythic SoO garrosh for that title.

@@billjohnson2307 Just spam tab anything that does insta dmg in my case SWP

I agree. I largely stopped playing the game when I realized how long it would take to get to that op experience. I log in every day or two and do my dungeon/scenario/raid dailies for the bronze, but once you hit 70 and realize that there's no way to quickly or efficiently grind bronze to get all the high-priced cosmetics, it just becomes such a chore. I wish Blizzard could just let everyone get the rewards fast so that they could spend their time doing things they actually enjoy. For example, all the rewards for Plunderstorm unlock at 100k plunder. I played it until I had about 670-680k plunder because I *loved* that game mode-- but it would've been extremely miserable if you were forced into getting 500k plunder for all rewards even if it was doable.

Imagine getting this angry about a videogame. It's obvious who's having the brain damage here, get your life in order lmao

gluck gluck

I see it as players always got something to complain about. In game everyone is enjoying it from what I've seen but all I see on KZfaq is that it's a failure, it's bad. Hmm

​@@blackrose8418if you don't engage on a deep level with it it's fine, it's just leveling to some people that's fun. When you go beyond surface level you'll be disappointed.

@@Kevmoeman not really

​@@blackrose8418so grinding bronze very slowly to upgrade your gear is really fun? Even knowing that hundreds/thousands of players did what you are doing 50x faster? What's fun about that? Somebody could join your raid and do 1000x more damage than you, and have all the cosmetics, and that's fine with you?

@@Kevmoeman I'm not saying it's fun. Simply saying players like you always got something to complain about

Instant gratification vs delayed gratification

wanna log in and melt bosses for cool cosmetics.

@@Shiirow Like a transmog run? You can do that on retail

​@iyaramonk ah yes, play your stock character to farm for a 1% drop chance item? Here's your genius award - 🤡

@@XAn0nymousX0 Fair enough. I've never played for cosmetics.

Tbf this sort of thing has been an issue for far longer than 2 years

welp, you're not wrong

Yeah you are exactly spot on with why it needed to be balanced this way. If you make the easiest way to get power the post degenerate way, people will do that even if it's less fun overall. It'll then put off all the other players.

What? I was 100% prepared to play Remix for the whole 3 months. I was looking forward to it. Turns out there won't even be 3 months worth of content here. My gear is already max. I'm banking loads of bronze per day. Chances are I will have every single item bought out by week 5 or so, and I don't even particularly want every single item. If anything it would be nice if the pace were a bit slower.

​@@Prismatic_Rainwell not everyone wants to be forced to play for 90 days. Hell I did plunderstorm in like 2 days lol