But it does get easier everyday.

In a show packed to the brim with meaningful statements on life, mental illness, and being a good person, that simple line, delivered by essentially a background character, is the entire thesis of the show.

i love this part

does it really?

@@ramshachowdhry3855 There is a series by the name 'The Bold Type'. In the pilot episode a girl who works for a magazine, asks her boss " Does it get easier?" to which her boss replied " The writing part? yes it does get easier. But the broken heart, it takes sometime". In BJ too, the side character Monkey said that in context of Running/Jogging to BJ. Work definitely gets easier but there is a different line of being broken from other series called Final Space. " We are all broken, it just depends how far are we willing to go to fix it."

but beauty of depression, if there is any, is that it's like the common cold for therapists, they deal with it so often that it's sure they will help almost any patient to eventually push through and improve their situation, at least a little, sometimes a lot. Always worth taking professional help, in all manners of life.

Existential dread is awful

That and, at one point, Bojack says, "What if I sober up and find out that I'm still an awful person?" After all, as long as he's drunk or whatever, he has an excuse to be awful. But sober, he would have to face being an actual rotten person.

As "obvious" as that may seem - that is a symptom of depression. Hopelessness, cycles of "why does it even matter? Why do I care?". And even though it may seem pointless and idiotic to pursue the idea of help, I encourage everyone to try it nonetheless. You may feel like below the great emptiness you feel there is more emptiness, but I assure you that is not true. And even if it was - it is emptiness that you can fill, that you can color and decorate however you want until it is no longer even close to "empty". But you can only do that if you try. If you try to get the help you need. Living with the emptiness is not better than trying to find a new perspective - its cant be. I wish you all the best and I hope everyone gets the help they need. Our current society sadly does not view mental illness as the plague that it is, but we're getting there slowly. Keep speaking up about it and we might just arrive at a better place soon.

So glad that they had that line.

I would recommend Bojack to anyone suffering, regardless of age. Thirteen Reasons Why not only limits itself through its intended audience, but sensationalises mental illness, rather than normalises it. Bojack has done bad things and happened to be Depressed, not using it as an excuse. Hannah gets martyred because of her mental illness.

Meh 13 RW is shit IMO

@@aliciajennison6322 u said it girl

Because Thirteen reasons why is like the misinformed man (or woman) that tried to do a work about something he or she didn't know about. To be honest with you, I don't think Thirteen Reasons was made to increase self aware, I only see a sick corporation taking serious matters and turning them into profit while misinforming people about certain subjects. While on the other hand, the story of Bojack was so thought even on the color palette to show how things are not what they seem (for example, bright colors and animals seem to be about happiness or something like that, while in reality is such a sh!#fest. I do like to see it as how Hollywood it is on real life. I can obviously be wrong about this).

13 RW glorifies revenge suicide and COMPLETELY broke the rules about portraying Mental Illness

Just curious. What would you say is the best written animated series of the 20th century?

TRUE theres no show like it. Each season I like. Witch is rare for me

@@mohsinuddin7049 the Simpsons. I think it was amazing during the 90s. I do have a soft spot for king of the hill even though it's a late 90s show and really shouldn't count. But as you saw in the video animated series were plentiful in that century and I haven't watched enough to bring a truly informed decision.

Mohsin Uddin king of the hill my man

My hero academia 🤷‍♂️

Indeed, never before had I actually heard a line of dialogue which actually summed up the struggles of living with a mental illness or condition.😥💔👏

Identity*

This is pretty much a rephrasing of Diane’s flipping over nothing quote.

😭😭😭 this made me so sad

Damn.

Same

First step is to recognize it then to do something about it so you can live happier

Seriously I didn't even recognize what I felt was depression I thought it was just who I am. The episode where in his head he's calling himself a POS the whole time hit so close to home

b payne same here lol it really feels like my brain is trying to kill me sometimes. Feeling depressed is easy but feeling like I’m worth something can be so hard at time

@@bpayne3602 That one was one of the best episodes of the show. It made me realise my self hating thoughts were something that not everybody has like I thought they were

i never thought of it like that. this is probably a coffee cup moment, but thinking of it this way adds so many more layers.

@@leticiakay6422 ikr i thoght of todd saying that art interpretation line lol

That's a really beautiful line. Maybe I should give this show a watch.

Are there any shows that do it better? I’d argue this does it better than any other show

@@andrew8440 13 Reasons Why Nah jk lol

@@andrew8440you’re the worst on fx

.... or anyone else are not a bad person too :)

yes thank you!

why would you say he is not a hero?

He's an antihero

I've been doing that for years. Pretend until the pretending stops being pretending. Good place to start.

i tried. didn't really work for me.

@@mkon29 it means there are still hopes for you 😇 😇

@@mkon29 it's not something that works right away or not. It's more about changing how your brain works. Being depressed all the time, frustrated, stressed, hateful, angry, it effects your mental state. For me anyway, you pretend to be happier and upbeat to slowly but gradually change how your brain is wired and how your reality is filtered so to speak. To use another analogy, your reality is reflected off of a mirror which is warped in a negative way. Your trying to slowly but steadily fix that mirror to reflect your reality in a more positive way. Hope that makes sense.

mollerbt my brain is too foggy rn to unpack everything you tried to say but i assume you’re trying to help so thank you

They actually didn't though. The creator only agreed to make this show with them if they would let him know in good time when they'd like it to be over. They suddenly wanted to cancel without any good reason, because they obviously don't watch the show, or else they'd understand why it would need a minimum of 2 seasons to actually wrap it up well. The creator and everyone else working on it had to fight tooth and nail to actually be able to make this last season. They know how complex this show is, and that it needs time to end properly. It's not going to be as good as it could be, because Netflix is greedy. Don't forget that Netflix cancelled this show. They are the reason why it's ending prematurely.

@@Zeverinsen Maybe, but were getting a season. Most shows just straight get canceled after they do three seasons so the fact we got six is crazy. They also announced that season six would be the last season when they announced the season was even being made. Maybe it isnt ideal but we are getting a lot more than most other canceled Netflix shows.

Making season 6 the final its really messy considering all the shit that happened in season 5

@@justanotherblackwhitemicke7817 We're lucky to be getting a season 6 at all. lol

@@RoseOfSharyn18 Imagine if it ended in season 5, what a disaster

Sadly, it's true in the case of some people who suffer from depression, as they either are in denial of their problem, or simply don't know how to deal with it.😥💔

Help me

@@trinaq What about people that just don't think that they can get better. I don't cope with dark thoughts because I just do not see a bright future.

@@lucaaz14 Things WILL get better. I know that at times, it doesn't seem that way, and appears to be too much to handle. But there's always someone who's willing to listen, and help out. Even in the pits of eternal darkness, there'll always be a light shining on through!💞

Golden Eagle Talk to someone, I know it’s hard but believe me it pays off

.....and i didnt get a free churro.

@@blackrosebandit Me either.

I'd argue it's one of the best shows ever created. I can't think of any other show that has handled such complex issues with such care and dexterity.

Contrary, and we all are thankfull it happened this show was truly a rock for me and i hope to many of you as well

I feel like Diane's character was depressed for the whole show. Depression isn't all about the lowest lows, when your whole life has been lived in that state you learn to cope. Her addiction manifests with the cigarettes and the sabotaging her own happiness or not allowing herself and sometimes those around her to be happy. But it wasn't as overtly obvious as Bojack's expression. Once she leaves Mr. PeanutButter she starts taking notice of the things she's pushed aside that pointed to how she really felt, and then she was able to start getting better.

Im Bojack Horseman, dont act like you dont know...

This is the only show that I do not skip the opening theme song or the ending theme song. Both of them are just so great.

Only the ones that made it can explain it the best....i dont mind

PTSD often causes depression along with anxiety. It's ok to say you're depressed.

I just felt you

I feel that but you must be honest with yourself in order to accept the ending. At least that's how i see it and how I'll move on but that part is on you

Nope Nadda to deny yourself the revelation of a story is to deny yourself your own revelation

I guess you could always mail Netflix and ask why the fuck they cancelled the show...

Why? They CANCELLED this great show for no reason, and broke their promises to the creator. Promises that were the very reason why he agreed to make it in the first place. I'll never forgive them.

@@Zeverinsen Tbf an experienced agent would have got it down in his contract

Severinsen I feel like this is a show that would be significantly negatively affected from it getting dragged out too long. And Netflix also has Neon Genesis Evangelion which shits all over Bojack so I’m content.

SEENABEAN If the network or streaming giant or whoever it is wanted to drag the show out past what the creator would have wanted, that’s one thing and I’d agree. But to cut the show short when the creator could’ve kept going and had a solid vision for their show, that’s something else altogether.

@@sprawlz6466 How does neon genesis evangelion shits over bojack?

Life is a series of learning and unlearning

But it can't go on forever, then it would be beating a dead horse. It said what it had to say, anymore would be overkill.

Born BredBermudian (first off my b for the long message trust me I’m not upset or anything I just type fast and prefer to make things clear Incase there are more questions or disagreements to elaborate on.) First off.. the episode is called “nice while it lasted” they could’ve picked a variety of different titles if it was their genuine ending if that wasn’t obvious enough, but no it wouldn’t have been beating a dead horse because they wouldn’t have had to implement an ending yet nor have their characters change their speed and watch things go downhill. I feel like we all knew this ending was coming. Also Netflix said Bojack would have 6 seasons over 2 years ago (almost 3 I’m excluding 2020) I’m pretty sure the show wasn’t even close to being beaten down in season 4. The creators said they were pissed because they believed their content was a fresh air of reality mixed into a cartoon character their audience can relate too. I’m not saying this should be some 10 season show, but I 100% could see this going until 8-9 seasons naturally before coming to an end. You can tell in season 6 things were just clustered. The show seems like it was supposed to end because well.. Netflix said so and that’s part of the editors, writers, and producers job to make their last season seem natural and coherent to previous seasons. In reality though it’s clear as day they didn’t want to end it and there are MANY indications to prove and that’s another reason why Dianne left especially for the duration and story line. It was to cause more distance followed by her marriage and in the end Bojack wanting to shoot his last shot, but knows it would be beating a dead horse because it’s too late. The show is over. They didn’t even have to age Bojack as hard as they did had there been more time. Season 5-6 work together, but that’s also when Bojack was told about their contract not being renewed because there weren’t enough watchers. You can even search it the creators didn’t want to end it, but what are they going to do tell Netflix to go fuck then selves and renew their Netflix only show? It was doomed... so they reflected that on Bojack. It was pretty clear for me tbh. I understand your point, but no way did this show need an ending at season 6 just when their audience picked up... yeah perfect time to end it just as more people are recognizing the show lol no it’s Netflix being a dick cutting everyone’s contract you can check on Netflix every month and watch how many more movies and shows are getting removed. Netflix people didn’t realize is going to become the online version of Disney - Nickelodeon except obviously for teenagers and older primarily with shows and movies. With Disney they own every single show and run everything the way they want. Nickelodeon was a show that wanted all shows to be only theirs, but they’re a little more flexible with accepting show contracts. Netflix is becoming a censored platform that’s going to practically only cater towards younger teenagers as that’s the prime audience right there plus they’ll grow up watching more Netflix. They don’t care about us 18+ people anymore because we’re not generating the numbers the 13-17 year olds are not even close especially new accounts. Bojack wasn’t a show that’s going to cut it for the new generation you should talk to one of them... they’re lost as fuck and they just follow trends. Trending shows are on Netflix... thus all teenagers try and or have Netflix. No teenagers care about Bojack unless you’re depressed let’s just be realistic. Sure there are exceptions, but that’s not good enough for Netflix nor my point. If the creators of Bojack decided to be a sell out and make their show more cheesy and cater towards kids and not care so much about character growth you’d see. This show would easily be ready for a season 7+ rn. I have mad respect for the creators because this is possibly one of the only shows I’ve ever watched where the creators are ACTUALLY in control of their production. It’s never that way and unfortunately Netflix gave it a shot and it failed so they’re never going to do it again. Every attempt that fails to meet their view count and income requirement they cut the show off and make another teenager drama bs show. They’ve been doing this since 2016 if you remember Netflix used to be a badass website... now almost everything is already made by them or they have a huge stake in. This isn’t Netflix anymore this is a company trying to grab kids attention with trash shows that have amazing production because gee... netflix can only afford it lmfao so they seem better than they are and they typically throw one or two more we’ll known actors in to grab and keep a kids attention. This show has hired both psychologists and sociologists for them to help explain how to cater properly towards their audience to generate the max income possible and by Netflix running their own show every successful movie individually will bring in tens of more millions that would’ve otherwise been vastly distributed. Netflix isn’t trying to be cool by making their own shows and movies. It literally makes them a FUCK LOAD of money so no shit they’ll cut every show soon enough. Bojack just isn’t one of those shows that made a fuck load so Netflix gave the creators atleast a two year head start about the shows future. Trust me you can see from season 4 you could connect VERY well to the characters. Season 5 it was more of you watching what’s going on. Season 6 was the reaction to everything that happened prior. Don’t tell me that’s how they wanted to end it after watching this show and how much attention to detail they’ve done😂😂I would give specifics because I can, but if you get my point then there’s no point for me to type more lol peace and love☮️unfortunately the truth about Bojack was it was almost doomed from the start Netflix just gave them a chance and thankfully they didn’t atleast blow it (it just wasn’t as successful with views and I get it. It’s a show with a horse as a main character that alone weirded me out for the show for 2 years). “You keep living, because what else are you going to do?”- Bojack Horsemen

Born BredBermudian that wasn’t the point of Bojack to say what it had to say. It’s to show their audience what they want to show and give them the best experience that’s relatable and real. Saying what you have to say implements an ending right after. That’s never been the flow of the show to just say what you have to say and move on. If that was the case I wouldn’t have made it passed season 1 with how shitty the show would be. They also 100% wouldn’t give a shit about character growth because why waste their time if they’re just trying to say what they have to say? You can literally see the love put into the show especially the first 4 seasons. Then you can see how dark it gets after they find out their show is over wether they like it or not on season 6 or by the second half of 2020 as that’s when new shows etc will come in. If anything they were sad they said what they had to say in the end because that’s also a lot of jobs gone right there lol. I’d be bummed af if I was 3-4 seasons into my own show then the corporation I signed with tells me long story short “your show is cut after season 6”.... how would you feel about your pride and joy being cut to someone else’s standards when both you and netflix is aware of the quality surpassing the expectation bar? Probably not too hot... that reflects on the show heavily.

ughh

Not anymore... Now its just 'Around' ):

They never said he doesn’t have any issues, they simply said he isn’t depressed. Massive difference

Is Tuca and Bertie set in the bojack universe?

Nah not canonically. The world is a bit more surreal and has plant people but I feel like there would have been room for Easter eggs and background crossovers if they were both running, ie via newspaper headlines etc

It got renewed by adult swim!

Marijn Stapert who knows better about their own show than them?

It's not made by netflix, just owned

@@soda8182 as I know, they own it and they give full financial support to it.

@Donald Trump they didnt cancel it dumbass

@@radiosilence1128 yes they did. The creator confirmed it in an interview months ago. He just made a deal that if they ever cancelled it, that they let him know so that he can end it properly. He wanted the show to last at least 8 seasons. For someone calling someone else a dumbass, you seem too lazy to do a quick Google search.

Big brain comment

ThankYOU, was looking for this

Slowly. One step at a time. One day at a time. And only in the moment to prevent it from getting to overwhelming. Best answer I can come up with.

Hadiya Irfan Sounds like something my dad is probably going through. He spent most of his teenage and young adult years breaking hearts, burning bridges and fighting with everyone. Now he’s all alone in a New York apartment, contacting me every so often to ask how I’m doing and if I can go visit him. It’s sad, but I don’t know if I want to reconcile with him anymore. I’ve grown up believing him to be a lost cause, just accepting that he’s never gonna change, and now seeing him trying to reach out is super bizarre.

Go to therapy and start small

No

It's a great show

Yes, I'd recommend it, it balances comedy and drama in a touching way, and addresses tough issues, such as depression and mental health remarkably well!😊💟

YES YES and yes

Depending on your humor you might have to fight trough the first season, but it’s definitely worth it! It‘s incredibly well written

How are you doing now?

You underestimate Rick's stubborness

lol Rick wouldn't hesitate on killing Bojack

“What is my purpose?” “You will never feel true happiness because you hurt everyone around you.” “Oh, my God...”.

@@odetad699 yeah like he killed the guy who used his toilet....

@Instrumentality1000 r/whoosh

Seek a therapist, nobody online can accurately assess this. Not even people that understand others. This is a medical check to do (and a very serious one, functioning depression exists).

It was supposed to be more than 6 seasons. Netflix cancelled it prematurely, just cause.

:(

And also with you