How Bridge Engineers Design Against Ship Collisions

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Practical Engineering

Practical Engineering

13 күн бұрын

An overview of vessel collision design with help from @RoadGuyRob
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@PracticalEngineeringChannel
@PracticalEngineeringChannel 12 күн бұрын
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@ryanchicago6028
@ryanchicago6028 11 күн бұрын
All the mainstream media is worried about now is this f'in flotilla!!! What's wrong with shipping
@Idkidkidk716
@Idkidkidk716 11 күн бұрын
Love your videos
@rapierlynx
@rapierlynx 10 күн бұрын
Would you do a video on the emergency replacement of the Crown Point Bridge between New York and Vermont? Your viewers might be interested in what it takes to replace a major bridge in a hurry - about 2 years from finding that fatal defect to opening the new structure! A quick search didn't find anything.
@mfulan7548
@mfulan7548 10 күн бұрын
How can this engineering channel on youtube not citing the sources for their video on its description? So incompetent.
@ScottDaviesProto
@ScottDaviesProto 10 күн бұрын
@@Idkidkidk716 Same!
@danielgetter5993
@danielgetter5993 12 күн бұрын
Grady, I studied vessel-bridge collision for my Masters and PhD under Dr. Gary Consolazio at the University of Florida. This topic is also my professional specialty as a practicing engineer. From that perspective, I wanted to let you know you did a excellent job explaining the topic and the AASHTO code requirements. I came into this video expecting to have comments or corrections, simply because the topic is esoteric and fairly complicated. But no, you have clearly done your research. Great job, and thank you for what you do. Daniel G.
@GronTheMighty
@GronTheMighty 11 күн бұрын
This is about the best reply a technical youtuber can ever get - thank you very much for giving it to Grady, and the rest of us too! :)
@alveolate
@alveolate 11 күн бұрын
as a specialist, what do you think of the lack of tugs to guide the dali past the bridge? iirc, there WERE tugs guiding the dali out of port; but they left some ways BEFORE dali reached the bridge... imagine if they just stayed along for just 15-30mins longer, they could've avoided the disaster. what size ships should have a mandatory requirement of tugs-past-bridge? how much would that cost? why didn't baltimore have that requirement?
@k53847
@k53847 11 күн бұрын
@@alveolate No, they couldn't. They ran some simulations on one of the few ship simulators and the simulation found that you needed bigger tugs than they used and they needed to be attached to the ship to counter the wind and current. The forces involved are huge.
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 11 күн бұрын
Sir, I have but two questions for you: 1. Does AASHTO also cover railway bridges, like the Big Bayou Canot Bridge that was struck by a lost bardge that caused the deadly derailment of Amtrak's Sunset Limited. It's the collision where the bridge sustained damage enough to the structure and tracks, but held up. The damage to the tracks caused the train (traveling at high speed) to launch off the tracks completely, crashing into the waterway below. 2. Did you get your PhD and can we call you "Doctor" instead of "Mister"? (Old Big Bang Theory joke.)
@johnsherby9130
@johnsherby9130 11 күн бұрын
The extra research someone like me (not an engineer at all just kinda nerdy) won’t notice often doesn’t get the recognition it deserves for channels like this. Glad to see his hard work being appreciated by experts and common folk alike!
@jessiebullock
@jessiebullock 12 күн бұрын
A two for one Practical Engineering AND Road Guy Rob video?!? What did we do to deserve such a treat!?
@apen2274
@apen2274 12 күн бұрын
Collab of the year
@bartsanders1553
@bartsanders1553 12 күн бұрын
I didn't even know about Rob. Gonna take a look at his channel.
@netposerx
@netposerx 12 күн бұрын
This is the third video in the past week that's had combined KZfaqrs.
@idriveastationwagon1534
@idriveastationwagon1534 12 күн бұрын
"What is this? A crossover episode?!" -Mr. Peanutbutter
@skeetrix5577
@skeetrix5577 12 күн бұрын
​@@bartsanders1553eh if your 12 years old he might be entertaining lol
@Imperial_Squid
@Imperial_Squid 12 күн бұрын
7:20 oh my god i never realised it's called a collision as in a co-llision because it's two things crashing into each other, and a-llision when it's one thing crashing into something stationary...
@sc1338
@sc1338 12 күн бұрын
Same! Learn something new everyday lol
@gus473
@gus473 11 күн бұрын
Words are fun! Hope you get hundreds of likes on that insight! 😎✌️
@Alan.livingston
@Alan.livingston 11 күн бұрын
I’m telling anyone who will listen and nobody I’ve talked to so far has even heard the word before
@hadinossanosam4459
@hadinossanosam4459 11 күн бұрын
Technically the division is al-lision, not a-llision, and col-lision instead of co-llision: these are from the latin prefixes con- (together) and ad- (at (!)/to/into), but got assimilated due to the l at the beginning of "laedere" (compare pronouncing "conlision" and "collision"). In Latin, conlido and collido are both valid, but only one of them made it into English And I'm glad I'm not the only one to get excited about etymologies of words I'd never thought about before :)
@Imperial_Squid
@Imperial_Squid 11 күн бұрын
@@hadinossanosam4459 yeah I was sure the exact history would be different but in my defense I'm a computers and stats guy not an English and history guy lol, but thanks for letting me know! I secretly love histories of language, it's really interesting to see what words cropped up where and why and what became popular, it's like a fossil record but for culture
@MattsAwesomeStuff
@MattsAwesomeStuff 12 күн бұрын
Road Guy Rob is among the most underrated channels. The guy basically works for minimum wage for his daytime job and makes videos for pocketchange in his spare time. His content really should be capable of supporting him as a career. I highly recommend people binge watching anything in his archive that they're curious about. Skip the livestreams unless you're super nerdy, they're a lot content dense and is more just hangin' out with Rob.
@applegal3058
@applegal3058 12 күн бұрын
I subscribed based on your recommendation and will binge his videos after work. Thanks 😊
@cwtrain
@cwtrain 12 күн бұрын
>underrated " You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
@jamesbizs
@jamesbizs 12 күн бұрын
@@cwtrainlook lol I normally would agree with you. But rob has 150k subs, to practical having 3.7 million. This, is one of the very rare times, something actually IS underrated.
@jamesbizs
@jamesbizs 12 күн бұрын
@@cwtraintho, I still wish KZfaq could ban the word.
@garcjr
@garcjr 11 күн бұрын
He definitely sets himself apart from other urban/transit KZfaqrs by doing interviews with transportation officials and going on scene.
@zonderafspraak
@zonderafspraak 11 күн бұрын
Grady, thank you for collabbing with Rob, he deserves way more attention than he gets. I am also not surprised that you are the first "big" youtuber to do so, as you have consistently shown yourself to be a kind and generous person. Thanks for being such a good example.
@aidanlevy2841
@aidanlevy2841 11 күн бұрын
I thought Not Just BIkes did a colab with him?
@tbird81
@tbird81 11 күн бұрын
​@aidanlevy2841 Not Just Bikes is such an insufferable ahole.
@zonderafspraak
@zonderafspraak 10 күн бұрын
@aidenlevy2841 I'm not aware of one? In fact, I'd be surprised if he had, I seem to recall that NJB having put Rob on blast once.
@PsRohrbaugh
@PsRohrbaugh 11 күн бұрын
Regarding Tugs, "What's Going on with Shipping" pointed out that much above 4 knots, tugs really can't do much to alter the path of a large ship anyway - there's simply too much inertia. Now you could force the ships to go slower and use tugs near the bridge, but this is a lot of extra cost and time on every single transit - for something that only occurred due to some sort of failure on the ship. His focus has been on identifying the root cause of the ship losing power in the first place, as there are many other locations such a failure could cause similar problems.
@Jpwarner88
@Jpwarner88 2 күн бұрын
This could have been entirely prevented with escorts. The fact that the pilots act like the shipping companies money is their own is the problem. Their egos took down that bridge.
@wgowshipping
@wgowshipping 10 күн бұрын
Thanks for the shout out!
@m1geo
@m1geo 11 күн бұрын
6:55 I always smile when I see people in camouflage and high-vis jackets. Like, do you want to be seen or not?! 😂
@pXnTilde
@pXnTilde 11 күн бұрын
Yes.
@ImieNazwiskoOK
@ImieNazwiskoOK 10 күн бұрын
Uniform is a uniform. Thinking of it maybe people in camo uniforms like the military are more often ordered to wear high visibility jackets and such, since by default they are very much not very visible.
@BnORailFan
@BnORailFan 8 күн бұрын
It's like when Harry Potter put on the invisibility cloak for the first time, only his head was showing.
@BariumCobaltNitrog3n
@BariumCobaltNitrog3n 7 күн бұрын
He does NOT want to be seen or stand out, but on that day he has to by law. He does not like being at work, he likes to be in the forest, killing animals.
@brianmiller1077
@brianmiller1077 7 күн бұрын
It's like a mullet hairdo - business in the front, party in the back.
@seattlegrrlie
@seattlegrrlie 11 күн бұрын
... the new bike path just ends at a gate... Yeah, that tracks with my bike riding experiences
@HebaruSan
@HebaruSan 11 күн бұрын
Single-digit casualties for such a spectacular disaster still amazes me. The early warning system and those cops turned out to be the real heroes.
@Look_What_You_Did
@Look_What_You_Did 11 күн бұрын
Tards tossing hero around. No wonder you country failed.
@bighammer3464
@bighammer3464 11 күн бұрын
What about the fact that everyone was asleep at the time. The earth spinning is the real hero
@Curt_Sampson
@Curt_Sampson 11 күн бұрын
@@bighammer3464 It seems to me that it doesn't matter how many cars were on the bridge at the the time the police blocked it; it would take about the same time for all the cars to exit the bridge whether the police had stopped entering traffic during the day or the night.
@BabyMakR
@BabyMakR 11 күн бұрын
Don't let @derrickmcadoo3804 hear you say that. They'll tell you how it was actually a devious terrorist attack and the media is lying to you.
@bountita4520
@bountita4520 11 күн бұрын
@@Curt_Sampson didn't he say in the video that the police closed the bridge too late for all the cars to get off the bridge? I'm pretty sure there were cars on the bridge when it collapsed. It's reasonable to assume that there would have been more cars during the day.
@mhyzon1
@mhyzon1 11 күн бұрын
15:40 Grady: “Back of the envelope” Animator: Here’s the front of an envelope! 😆
@NicholasMati
@NicholasMati 11 күн бұрын
To be fair, "back of the envelope" is such a common expression in engineering that it's kind of divorced from the original, literal meaning.
@drwagner14
@drwagner14 11 күн бұрын
@@NicholasMati and yet, to be fair, envelopes do have backs and fronts.
@WyvernYT
@WyvernYT 8 күн бұрын
I don't know why that wasn't caught in production. It's so much the kind of nerdy detail that people who watch this channel would notice.
@Pystro
@Pystro 7 күн бұрын
Fronts of the envelope are usually not used because they already have text on them, and on the back you only have to deal with the edges of the folder-over paper. But if you animate an envelope, you can create an envelope without text on the font (and then don't even have to deal with the paper edges getting in the way).
@theshuman100
@theshuman100 12 күн бұрын
3:06 well this just opened up a whole new reason for video game preservation. theres actual history there
@Satire-Gaming
@Satire-Gaming 12 күн бұрын
when the notre dame cathedral burned down they used the laser scans and recreation of the cathedral from one of the assassin's creed games to help rebuild it
@BertoLaDK
@BertoLaDK 12 күн бұрын
It was somewhat the same with Assassins Creed Unity, Ubisoft gave it out for free after the Notre Dame fire for people to be able to see their detailed digital version, probably the only time Ubisoft have done something positive.
@First-Name_Last-Name
@First-Name_Last-Name 12 күн бұрын
Ubisoft giveth, Ubisoft taketh
@brianb4501
@brianb4501 12 күн бұрын
They need to add the ability to pilot container ships on the next gta
@0dWHOHWb0
@0dWHOHWb0 12 күн бұрын
If anyone reading this hasn't been to the "stop killing games" website, I suggest you do it now if you're interested in the topic
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 12 күн бұрын
I learned some years ago that the best definition of a truss is "it supports loads with math instead of mass" they are great for cheap light support systems, and that is why building roofs and floors are made out of trusses. the drawback is that if you compromise any component of a truss, there is usually no redundancy to prevent failure. thus the logical way to prevent catastrophic failure of truss bridges is to avoid collisions; rather than to try to reinforce them to survive collisions.
@petermgruhn
@petermgruhn 11 күн бұрын
I think I will steal that for class.
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 11 күн бұрын
@@petermgruhn go for it.
@PracticalEngineeringChannel
@PracticalEngineeringChannel 11 күн бұрын
Love that phrase!
@appa609
@appa609 6 күн бұрын
You can overdetermine a truss. Then a single element failure will not be catastrophic.
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 6 күн бұрын
@@appa609 yes, you can build one so it is completely redundant. then it will weigh and cost twice as much, or actually more, since it has to support more of itself, as well. not an idea the bean counters will like, even if it does substantially increase the safety margin.
@joshw.2739
@joshw.2739 12 күн бұрын
The NTSB is one of the most pure and principled government agencies out there. They do one job and they do it incredibly thoroughly.
@daleolson3506
@daleolson3506 11 күн бұрын
It takes them way too long,and there have been many questions after some of there later findings.
@petermgruhn
@petermgruhn 11 күн бұрын
I thought it odd that he used the term "independent government agency".
@joshw.2739
@joshw.2739 11 күн бұрын
@@daleolson3506 their findings are not used to assign guilt they are used to inform policy change. The thorough process is a benefit and the time it takes does a not pose a major concern to the purpose of what they do.
@joshw.2739
@joshw.2739 11 күн бұрын
@@petermgruhn they are independent because they are under the executive branch but are not under any executive department and are largely outside of presidential control. They get to operate independent of any political or corporate motive and just do the one task they were made to do without fear of reprisal.
@piedpiper1172
@piedpiper1172 11 күн бұрын
@@daleolson3506Then fund them. You can’t get accurate, reliable work done quickly unless you’re willing to pay for the increased staffing that will require. We are at the business end of 50+ years of methodical defunding of our government agencies, all of which now struggle with woefully inadequate staffing. Then people complain they don’t move quickly enough and call to further cut their funding. Which, of course, only makes them work even slower.
@ebmusicman84
@ebmusicman84 12 күн бұрын
Honestly the thought that any structure should be able to withstand a direct hit by a ship that large is absurd to me.
@PhotonBeast
@PhotonBeast 12 күн бұрын
I doubt the idea is that it should not fail. Its likely more about reducing how catastrophic that failure is. It may include failsafe/safety measures for bridge and people (evac routes et so), figuring out how the bridge might be designed to collapse in a more safe manner (like crumple zones in cars), etc
@volvo09
@volvo09 12 күн бұрын
Yeah those are insane ships.... People that think a bridge is "too weak" or "should not have fallen so easily" really haven't seen a massive ship before. They can dwarf a city block of multi story factories as you approach them, they are massive. A bridge is like a toothpick.
@KakaCarrotCakeVideos
@KakaCarrotCakeVideos 12 күн бұрын
They should build protective pillars, so if the ship drifts it hits the dummy pillar instead of the main pillars.
@Shubham_Bahirat
@Shubham_Bahirat 12 күн бұрын
​@@KakaCarrotCakeVideos then you'll need multiple thick pillars and that will increase cost significantly all that for somthing that will not happen again for atleast 50yrs
@brianb4501
@brianb4501 12 күн бұрын
​@@Shubham_Bahiratthey recently dredged it allowing larger ships to pass and travel closer to the piers. Safety should have been included in the budget for the 50 year old bridge.
@robertlevine2152
@robertlevine2152 12 күн бұрын
Grady, I am a naval architect and marine engineer who spent my career working for oil company marine operations. I was involved with everything from the design and construction of tankers to oil spill response. In fact, our tankers docked at berths 78, 118, and 121 in Long Beach, requiring passage under, or docking next to the Gerald Desmond Bridge. A major point in the discussion of the ability to predict the size of ships when the Francis Scott Key Bridge was built is not valid. We operated three classes of tankers, all built at the Bethlehem Bethlehem Steel Sparrows Point Shipyard, where the Francis Scott Key Bridge is being taken for recycling. The ships were built from the late 1960s to the early 1980s. The tankers were 70,000 DWT, 120,000 DWT, and 265,000 DWT. The fendering and dolphins around bridge piers can be designed not only to guide ships away from the piers but they can be designed to ensure in an allision the ship suffers the damage. I can attest to this, having had to direct the installation of temporary patches covering holes after an allision. One of our tankers hit the Carquinez Bridge. There were two holes, one 10' × 100' and the other 10' × 200'. The bridge had the wooden fendering destroyed and suffered minor damage to the concrete. As for the loss of ship's power, it will be interesting to see the NTSB's findings on the loss of power and inability to regain to regain power. It will also be interesting to find if they tried the main engine in reverse, to stop the ship, or start it going ahead in an attempt to regain steerage. Bob
@KoeddkHD
@KoeddkHD 12 күн бұрын
Dali was definitely slowing down, i believe she was at 8 knots before losing power and according to Grady at 5 knots when it hit the pillar. But as you know it takes a good bit to slow those big ships down. I'm looking forward to see the report as well!
@ms.donaldson2533
@ms.donaldson2533 11 күн бұрын
I spent my entire life in Baltimore with an interest in local history. I saw that bridge everyday in my travels around and can remember the first time that my father took me on a ride over the new bridge. Until this accident, I knew Dali as an Italian painter, who's works included "The Broken Bridge and The Dream." I knew that Francis Scott Key was a founding member of the American Bible Society. I knew Pelosi's dad packed up The Dream on "The Exodus" and sent it sailing in 1947. I witnessed the day that they brought in the new cranes to the port that had inches of clearance under the bridge. My question is caused by coincidence - it is not everyday that a ship crash takes down an entire bridge and it's owner claims on it's website of it's incentives to create better ports for bigger vessels with larger shipments to arrive. It seems that bridge was in the way of their progress. That day felt like 9/11 all over again. The collapse happened and no matter what people see, they will only pay attention to what the news tells them. Baltimore burned down in 1904 because of one discarded cigarette - that too was just an accident. Much love from Baltimore - I can't wait to see how this story ends.
@TheEDFLegacy
@TheEDFLegacy 11 күн бұрын
I agree, Robert; I've seen the Dolphins on the replacement Florida bridge after its collision, and those things could probably handle the Dali no problem. I'd imagine that had the Francis have similar Dolphins installed, the bridge would probably still be standing. Brady is generally right though; cost and likelihood are two things engineers have to calculate, and back when this bridge was built, ships like the Dali didn't even exist.
@raygunsforronnie847
@raygunsforronnie847 11 күн бұрын
@@TheEDFLegacy Engineers run the numbers and make presentations to "officials" who then decide if the benefit sufficiently outweighs the risk to ensure their own reelection. Engineers have tried to stop a number of ill-fated things only to be overruled by management or agency agendas.
@filanfyretracker
@filanfyretracker 11 күн бұрын
I am curious how does a ship like that suffer such a total loss of power? That is should there not be multiple independent generators. I am thinking like how on a jet airliner each engine and the APU turns its own generator and hydraulic pump and so as long as you have one of them you have full electrical power and hydraulic power and the systems tend to be independent so a loss of one does not mean a loss of the others.
@gloweye
@gloweye 12 күн бұрын
Dutchie here. We design our water defense for 1 in 1000 to 10000 year events, depending on failure mode and related things. It's pretty recent that we first needed the Maeslandtkeering, which is several decades old, and is one of those structures.
@2Fast4Mellow
@2Fast4Mellow 11 күн бұрын
You're talking about the change of a (massive) flood, not the change of a large container ship hitting Maeslandkeering. When it is retracted, this is possible that a vessel hits the barriers. As long the keering is open, ships are allowed to enter the port, which is why it is an automated system. However take the following scenario: There is a very high tide and a MSC containership wants to enter the port to ride out the storm, meanwhile while is is approaching the keering the condition is met to start closing the keering, the container ship is told not to enter the port, but the captain ignores this instruction, and while the keering is closing it hits one of the barriers. Now, of course the change of this happening is very slim, but you cannot rule it out. However when they designed the keering they accepted that the change of such a scenario happening has such a low probability, they opted not to create a backup system for when the maeslandkeering fails for whatever reason. Based on the costs to create such a backup, they accepted this risk. However when a scenario as above does happen, people will get their pitchforks and demand blood from those who thought is was a acceptable risk. This is how it always goes...
@Tuning3434
@Tuning3434 11 күн бұрын
@@2Fast4Mellow Well a few things you should know, the Maeslandkeering closes off the Nieuwe Waterweg, and that waterbody is not really used for large water traffic (although there are cruise ships visiting the port of Rotterdam). All the major cargo traffic travels to the Europoort via the Calandchannel below it which has no barriers towards the sea. The majority of the traffic is river barge and or coastal vessels. That and the fact if only closed for real like 3 or 4 times in it's life time, and if it is, it will be in extreme weather conditions making it something else than 'just a tuesday'. I hope you also realize what a superhighway the Channel is? There is no ship able to even approach withing 200 km without being in contact with the international authorities, let alone allowed to enter the Eurogeul and Maasgeul (60 km into sea) without a pilot on board (large vessels get a pilot onboard even 75 km out, way before reaching the Eurogeul). Nothing is impossible, but your example is probably a lot less plausible as you think it is.
@derrickmcadoo3804
@derrickmcadoo3804 11 күн бұрын
This was a terrorist attack. Intentional. The question is, why did the media assure us it wasn't a blatant attack?
@JasperJanssen
@JasperJanssen 11 күн бұрын
@@derrickmcadoo3804mainly because it wasn’t an intentional attack.
@BabyMakR
@BabyMakR 11 күн бұрын
@@derrickmcadoo3804 pretty poor attempt at a terrorist attack. Given there are huge chemical storage tanks right near the water, beside the giant coal storage area, very poor indeed. But you go ahead and put your foil hat on and believe whatever you want to believe.
@jarodstrain8905
@jarodstrain8905 12 күн бұрын
I went to a great deal of effort trying to explain this math to people who were convinced that a ship at a slow speed didn't seem to be that big a deal impacting the bridge. I compared it to an average freight train to give people a reference for the energy. People could associate a freight train at 60 miles per hour with being an incredible amount of force, but they couldn't realize without the mathematics that it was only a tiny fraction of a percentage of the amount of energy of this vessel hitting the bridge. Physics is not intuitive, but it is inescapable.
@meisteryogurt1460
@meisteryogurt1460 11 күн бұрын
It also has to do with reduced mass. A container ship coasting at 5 mph may have a lot of kinetic energy, but in an impact with a human only a minuscule fraction of that energy will be transferred. It may make your nose bleed, but it would not be very dangerous. Meanwhile, a train going 60 mph will transfer a lot more energy to the human despite having much less kinetic energy than the ship. For structures that are heavier than the ship or effectively immovable on the other hand the picture flips, and suddenly the fact that the ship is n times more massive than the train matters again.
@appa609
@appa609 6 күн бұрын
Trains are bigger than you think. Some freight trains at 60 mph would have significantly more energy than this ship.
@noodlelynoodle.
@noodlelynoodle. 5 күн бұрын
​@@appa609a fully loaded freight train weighs at most about 50 million pounds, this ship weighs 232 million when fully loaded even with the huge speed difference in this hypothetical the ship is putting out like 32.5x as much force from the impact and that's if the entire energy from the train hit all at once which isn't how train crashes happen cause the cars behind the lead spread out when their energy is applied
@cvp5882
@cvp5882 5 күн бұрын
Kinetic energy can increase by either increasing an objects velocity, mass, or both. The amount of inertia these ships have is beyond many people's comprehension. It's beyond me and I would say that I have above-average experience in math/science and heavy industry.
@orien2v2
@orien2v2 12 күн бұрын
Guess it wasn’t truss-worthy
@TehVulpez
@TehVulpez 12 күн бұрын
20:19 I didn't know Calvin's dad was right about how engineers test bridges
@markedis5902
@markedis5902 12 күн бұрын
True, he was an architect so really should know
@russellg1473
@russellg1473 11 күн бұрын
@@markedis5902are equating architects to engineers? That will not earn you much goodwill in the company of either lol
@brighamshamrell4524
@brighamshamrell4524 11 күн бұрын
Calvin's dad was a patent attorney.
@Cyberguy42
@Cyberguy42 10 күн бұрын
@@brighamshamrell4524 I can confirm this
@ShuRugal
@ShuRugal 12 күн бұрын
@18:10 - another important note: While 2016 gave us the Panamax expansion which allowed large container ships like Dali to be practical, bulk freight ships in the 100 kiloton range have been around since the 1970s. This event could have happened at any point since the construction of this bridge, it was just more likely to be a coal, petrochemical, or grain freighter.
@mikefochtman7164
@mikefochtman7164 12 күн бұрын
WHew, can you imagine just how much worse it would have been a bulk oil carrier? At least those 'containers' were.. well... 'contained' for the most part.
@phantomkate6
@phantomkate6 12 күн бұрын
​@@mikefochtman7164Baltimore Grain Party. What a mess that would be!
@phillyphakename1255
@phillyphakename1255 11 күн бұрын
​@@phantomkate6maybe it ferments and turns to a superior drink than tea?
@SDSBBQs
@SDSBBQs 12 күн бұрын
As a Baltimore City resident and a fan of your channel I have been waiting for this video! Thanks you did NOT disappoint!
@ms.donaldson2533
@ms.donaldson2533 11 күн бұрын
Hey Hon!!
@SDSBBQs
@SDSBBQs 11 күн бұрын
@@ms.donaldson2533 I see what you did there... Truth be told I pronounced the T... I just live here I am not FROM here.
@RedHealerMatt
@RedHealerMatt 11 күн бұрын
@@SDSBBQs i grew up around the Baltimore area. Was wild waking up in the morning to find your partner's commute to work takes 40 minutes (assuming 0 traffic) more now.
@chibi013
@chibi013 11 күн бұрын
same!
@mvmlego1212
@mvmlego1212 11 күн бұрын
As a recent viewer of The Wire, I couldn't help but imagine Frank Sobotka rolling in his grave when I heard the news.
@JesseMcCall
@JesseMcCall 9 күн бұрын
Man...Rob and Grady make for one awesome team! I enjoy the energy dynamic that exists between the two!
@zimmejoc
@zimmejoc 12 күн бұрын
Nice to see a bike lane on the Long Beach bridge. Sad to see that it doesn't go anywhere. There's a difference between bike infrastructure and meaningful bike infrastructure. People use their car to get from point A to point B. I'd like to use my bike to do the same, but so much bike infrastructure goes from a point where nobody is to a point nobody wants to go to. Off topic I know, but Rob did talk about the bike lane, and covered how it was gated on one end, thereby rending it from potential usefulness to a point nobody wants to go to. That leads to feelings of money wasted as the bike path won't get used very much.
@RobertMilesAI
@RobertMilesAI 12 күн бұрын
Seems like a lack of joined up planning between architects/engineers/city planners. I'd design a bridge with a bike lane because it should have one, but what it joins up with is Not My Department
@petermgruhn
@petermgruhn 11 күн бұрын
They should have built it somewhere else.
@zimmejoc
@zimmejoc 11 күн бұрын
@@RobertMilesAI true, and they did say the bridge over in LA is old. If it gets replaced, I bet it has a bike lane. Maybe then the Long Beach bridge gate can open?
@mittfh
@mittfh 9 күн бұрын
For around a decade, the UK's Warrington Cycle Campaign ran a "Facility of the Month" feature, showcasing over a hundred examples of "excellence" in bicycle infrastructure design, such as cycle lanes that start / stop in random places, very narrow cycle lanes, shared or side-by-side footways + cycleways where the cycle part is either interrupted by sign poles or street furniture, has restricted headroom due to overhead signs, ends abruptly at a fence etc. Often, councils will take grants for installing bicycle facilities, but then "local authority logic" comes into play and the resulting infrastructure isn't fit for purpose (cue lots of Angry People In Local Newspapers moaning that cyclists aren't using the news infrastructure, and what a waste of money it was).
@TheClumsyFairy
@TheClumsyFairy 12 күн бұрын
15:40 Sir, that was the front of the envalope.
@GordonKindlmann
@GordonKindlmann 12 күн бұрын
“Back of the envelope physics” … and then writes in the front of the envelope. I mean, I don’t care, but for a few seconds all I could pay attention to was that being the front of the envelope, and then I saw the Practical Engineering stamp, hey can I buy Practical Engineering stamps? I’d buy those. Oh right where were we? F = ma ok …
@jensschroder8214
@jensschroder8214 12 күн бұрын
In Germany, the Autobahn bridge between Cologne and Leverkusen is being rebuilt. The bridge spans the Rhine river. There was no accident, but the bridge could no longer carry the load. The passage was closed to vans and trucks, and light cars were only allowed to pass slowly over the old bridge. In addition to the old bridge, the new bridge has now been completed. Trucks are allowed to pass through these again. Now the old bridge is being torn down and a second bridge is being built next to it. From the original 4 narrow lanes, the two new bridges will offer 6 wide lanes.
@alexanderkupke920
@alexanderkupke920 11 күн бұрын
What people not from this area need to understand are some small details about the German Autobahn Network. As with for example the Interstates in the US, this is the Network of the major roads for long haul traffic. Now traffic wise, besides having our own share of inland traffic, due to its size and position within Europe, some of the major transit routes unavoidably go across Germany. Lets say anything comming from Asia to the Port of Rotterdam in the Netherlands, the largest Port in Europe, or the second largest, Antwerps in Belgium going about anywhere in Europe will go across Germany in some way. Third largest Port is Hamburg in Germany by the way, creating its own share of traffic. Anything comming from the West, from Belgium or the Netherlands, or comming from Hamburg up north will more or less have to go through Northrhine-Westfalia, where mentioned bridge is located. Being the state with the highest and densest population in Germany (about a fifth of people in Germany live in this one of 16 states) and anything from Cologne through Leverkusen up north across the "Ruhrgebiet" being more or less one huge Metropolitan area along the river Rhine and Autobahnen being used for commuter traffic as well, anyone likely can imagine what is going on here. Traffic from Antwerps from example may meet the network just south of cologne, while traffic from Roterdam will hit the northern Rhur Area. But imagine the network around Cologne, including Leverkusen Next to it, being more or less the main hub for that traffic plus trafffic comming from Hamburg, to go south along the western border towards France and Switzerland, Southeast towards Munich to get to Austria, Tchechia and everything behind those, or just up north and northeast, Hamburg, Berlin, Denmark, Poland... So impact on traffic in case of any construction sides or unforeseen events like accidents around here is hard to wrap your head around. There are of course parallel routes, but those mostly are smaller sections of the Autobahn network with less lanes and thus a lot less capacity. I think the most undisturbed from those factors way to get Cargo up to Cologn and further down South along the Rhine is actually loading onto Barges in Rotterdam and shipping along the Rhine.
@eriklarson9137
@eriklarson9137 11 күн бұрын
@@alexanderkupke920 Lol at thinking someone will read all of that.
@alexanderkupke920
@alexanderkupke920 10 күн бұрын
@@eriklarson9137 Some people do, but feel free to skip ahead. I am fully aware, that in comments some peoples span of attention doesn´t go further than maybe three sentences. Others enjoy a more detailed addition. Some indeed do not care or want to read longer texts. No issues about that. If someone is interested in reading and getting something out of it fine. If someone doesn´t care, fine as well. after all this is just a comments section not more and not less..
@Delibro
@Delibro 2 күн бұрын
Why is that relevant to the topic of the video?? I'm German too, but if everyone in the world states what things was built in their country ...
@ericcarabetta1161
@ericcarabetta1161 11 күн бұрын
Road Guy Rob!!! Hell yeah!!
@jckgoldness
@jckgoldness 11 күн бұрын
Awesome collab with @RoadGuyRob!! I love that guy!!
@vernonthetoaster
@vernonthetoaster 12 күн бұрын
Baby wake up! Practical Engineering just uploaded!
@debojyotibhattacharjee483
@debojyotibhattacharjee483 12 күн бұрын
Babe: what ? Me: Yes. Now go and make the dinner but first get me some popcorn 🍿.
@mattblack6736
@mattblack6736 12 күн бұрын
​@@debojyotibhattacharjee483 errr, I feel like your imaginary wife in this scenario will seek divorce lmao
@debojyotibhattacharjee483
@debojyotibhattacharjee483 12 күн бұрын
@@mattblack6736 nice one 😂😂, if she is not interested then I will seek too.
@jamesbizs
@jamesbizs 12 күн бұрын
@@debojyotibhattacharjee483LOLOL keep pretending you’re single by choice. Not your choice tho….
@ToxicMrSmith
@ToxicMrSmith 12 күн бұрын
This thread is gay AF ngl.
@PaulCashman
@PaulCashman 11 күн бұрын
Last I heard, thanks to Sal Mercogliano's excellent "What's Going On With Shipping?" channel, is they're expecting the main channel in Baltimore to be reopened by the end of May. A portion of the main channel has already been reopened, with a 5-knot speed limit, wind-speed restrictions...and tugs must be attached to ships fore and aft while transiting the channel (not just escorting them). The salvage and recovery operation is truly enormous. Lots of practical engineering going on there!
@mattc.310
@mattc.310 11 күн бұрын
Nice to see the Road Guy adding some content to the video. Thanks for the colab. He has a great channel and goes into great detail on all things road and traffic with wit and knowledge. "What's Going on With Shipping" has been detailing the maritime side of things with some good channel suggestions as well. He's a good follow.
@gerryino
@gerryino 12 күн бұрын
22:40 I'm "happy" to see that it's not just Italy that builds bike lanes that go nowhere
@rogerstlaurent8704
@rogerstlaurent8704 11 күн бұрын
Dude you so dang Correct i am laughing my fanny off on what you said amd 100% true
@CarlosAM1
@CarlosAM1 11 күн бұрын
At least yall got bike lanes
@craftyukraine
@craftyukraine 11 күн бұрын
You’re going to be surprised of how many 20 meter bike lanes that start from nowhere and end up nowhere too are in Kyiv. The Mayor of this city (vitaliy klichko) is just a crazy gangster doing nothing practical, but everything for money laundering and corruption.
@kurtjustiniani1354
@kurtjustiniani1354 5 күн бұрын
As a seafarer myself and in Engineering Department of the ship, there are tons of backup machinery in case something fails. I'm talking about 2 pumps each for Lubrication, Fuel, Hydraulics, Air system and Cooling Water (Fresh water and Sea water), and each machinery has 2, meaning Generators and Main Propulsion have their own set of 2. Also all of those machinery have corresponding backup (Auxiliary) pumps which means even if 2 pumps fails (or the power fails) there's still smaller pumps capable of running the ship. There's also an Emergency Generator beside 3 Main Generators (really big ones) so an engine failure on 3 will still able to run the ship as all non-essential machineries like AC and normal lights are off to lower the load. Basically a ship is capable of sailing on Emergency Generator alone if worst comes to worst, theoretically. Now onto inspections, there are 3 port authorities that are somewhat infamous for how strict they are in the world, US Port Authority, Australia's AMSA, and Chinese Port authorities (they're getting stricter every year) not to mention EU countires and Port Authorities. To prepare for going to Port in US alone will cost the ship tons of drills, testing of machineries and cleaning. I'm talking about a month of preparation with minimum of 2 weeks, basically lot of overtime for all crew to test and drill for emergency (these authorities are no joke for us!) as failing for inspection means lots of trouble and more overtime for us to rectify said troubles. Overall my point is, it takes a lot, I mean a lot to cripple a ship. You need to be a bad Engineer to disregard all maintenance operation and it will still take months prior to this incident to f up the ship. I know nobody is perfect and those shipping companies that does wihtheld supplies for ship maintenance and crew living ain't gonna go to these 3 countries (US, Australia and China) and EU in the first place since it will cost them tons with their little budget and low profit and one peep of a seafarer about their living condition and these companies are now under special spotlight every time. They'll be going to more convenient deals that will not give them much trouble with convenient countries, and even then a skeleton ship is still susceptible to ITF (International Transport Workers' Federation) raid and charges, basically a seafarer police that will force companies to treat us better as well as making the ship more safer. TL;DR - It takes a lot to cripple a ship with bad machineries and poor company policies, my conclusion is, a cyber attack is easier way to cripple a perfectly good ship undergoing regular inspection of US Port Authorities and maybe other good Port Authorities. Also I heard Synergy is a somewhat good company.
@A_Pr0blem
@A_Pr0blem 11 күн бұрын
It's really fun watching this channel because I started watching before college and am now slowly understanding more and more of what is said. I just finished a grueling study grind for a statistics midterm and when you said "if you are familiar with a normal distribution" I went "don't Even get me started". It was really cool to hear about the application of a normal distraction as it relates to the probability overlayed on the bridge like that. It was extremely pertain to my current education.
@shaynesnellenberger9310
@shaynesnellenberger9310 11 күн бұрын
Also, as a utility worker, that has to foul railroad tracks often, i can say that any time a train is en route past our work zone, there is a clear order of operations that has to take place. 1st of all, we have a flagger, who places a restricted zone within a large area of our work zone, often up to 20 miles each way of our scope of work. This means that any train engineer who approaches that zone needs to radio, not only the tower, but also the flagger to get clearance to traverse that zone, often times at slower speeds too. This alows the flagger to activate our chain of egress operations, which are clearly written down and agreed upon by all workers that at any point throughout the day may be located in the rr row. This order of operations is determined based upon the type of work you are doing in the row. It will clearly state where equipment, and personnel need to get to, and how they get there, should a train need to move through the restricted area. And if at any point during the day, your scope of work changes, work stops, and a meeting is held to determine if changes to the egress plan need to take place. Believe me, it sucks to have to be so meticulous, it often lessens the amount of work that can get done in a given time, especially when your on a major trunk line, where you can have 15 or 20 trains or hyrail vehicles a day. But it ensures that rail workers, utility workers, car motorist at at-grade crossings, train conductors, and train passengers all go home to their families. Perhaps we should have a similar order of operations plan in place when working on high port traffic waterways. If they had, those construction workers would still be going home to their families. Im not putting blame on the crew managers or the companies that had them there, these things are often unimaginable.......until they happen. I would just like it if this horrendous loss of life could lead to better practices.
@glennmcgurrin8397
@glennmcgurrin8397 11 күн бұрын
Are you suggesting having all traffic stop on a bridge before a vessel goes under the bridge? The only cause of problem to the workers as I understand it was the whole bridge collapsing. Honestly they were almost certainly at much higher risk from passing drivers.
@shaynesnellenberger9310
@shaynesnellenberger9310 11 күн бұрын
Not necessarily vehicle traffic, as that can maybe be cleared out quickly. But the guy dangling from a harness painting pillars, he can't get off that bridge quickly. So if more constant communication is held between the port authorities and the work crew, then perhaps the guy dangling could get to a more egress ready position before a large vessel rolls through, incase something did happen
@shaynesnellenberger9310
@shaynesnellenberger9310 11 күн бұрын
@glennmcgurrin8397 also, cars are the number one danger on any construction project located adjacent to a roadway, your never going to get rid of that hazard, all you can do is put buffers between you and vehicles
@bobf1174
@bobf1174 7 күн бұрын
Excellent point
@germansnowman
@germansnowman 12 күн бұрын
Channel recommendation about this topic: “Casey Jones - Professional Engineer”. He is a bridge engineer and has very insightful commentary on this kind of thing. “What Is Going On With Shipping” is also great and handles the maritime side of things.
@genuinecve
@genuinecve 12 күн бұрын
He was also a rail engineer, unfortunately he passed away on the job...
@germansnowman
@germansnowman 12 күн бұрын
@@genuinecve I think we may talk about two different people.
@beachbum77979
@beachbum77979 11 күн бұрын
Sal from "What's Going on with Shipping" was the first person I looked to for the maritime side, which is why the bridge collapsed. Unresolved power failure alarms before the Dali left the dock? Tracking of course and speed? Currents, tides ebbing or flowing? How ships' systems work? Sal's videos answer lots of these questions. The questions about the power failure will be determined by the NTSB.
@nickwallette6201
@nickwallette6201 11 күн бұрын
And a hockey enthusiast.
@NicholasLittlejohn
@NicholasLittlejohn 11 күн бұрын
Awesome coverage and colab, Grady!
@rpm6085
@rpm6085 11 күн бұрын
I very much appreciate efficient, clear, concise scripts. Well done Grady and Rob. You pack in so much explanation (and humour) with no wasted words.
@jnattress
@jnattress 12 күн бұрын
Love what you do and always look forward to your videos Grady!
@mellissadalby1402
@mellissadalby1402 11 күн бұрын
Hi Grady! Excellent video on the subject. You're right that assist Tugs were not required in Baltimore for the ship transit under the bridge, but if they were, the ship would have needed to be moving at only 2-3 knots instead of 8 knots (like the Dali before it dropped its anchor)) for the tugs to have any hope of guiding such an enormous vessel in the event of a total power loss. As I'm sure you know, the mass of that beasty is astornomical, so each additional knot of speed greatly increases the inertia, and the tugs (even the big ones) only have just enough power to gently nudge such a large ship in any direction, so they would all need to be moving rather slowly for the limited power of the tugs to have enough time to actually have an effect on the ship, once it starts going awry. Incidentally, assist tugs cost $$$ and that increases shipping costs. I'm sure you agree. Just pointing this out for non-boat-nerds.
@slaveofjesus3878
@slaveofjesus3878 10 күн бұрын
To be fair, it really is time, and the horizontal speed of the escorted vessel, that are more the important factors here from a mathematics perspective. Then possible lateral currents (or wind) acting on the vessel and when that might start acting on the vessel are also key. I can't speak to the maneuverability of the tugs with the 5-knot forward speed though.
@rfehr613
@rfehr613 12 күн бұрын
I'm a bridge engineer who works for a firm in Baltimore. This video was a good explanation of the history and methodology of bridge design without getting too much into the fine detail. The general public really lacks a true understanding of the necessity for probability and statistics in bridge design. They cannot comprehend the magnitude of funding required to "design a bridge for the apocalypse". It's not a few grand more. It's not double the price. It's tens to hundreds of times the price of what we currently design. And with signature bridges like these in the video easily exceeding $1B to construct, it's easy to see how unaffordable apocalypse design really is. We don't have the money to spend $100B on every one of these bridges. No amount of money in the world could pay for that level of design. There are over 560k bridges in the United States, and 60% of them are over water. Many of the 560k bridges are in need of major repair or replacement. Although the vast majority of that 560k are much smaller and simpler bridges, it's still too costly to spare no expense in design. You always must design with a balance of risk and safety. I also just wanted to clarify robs discussion about load ratings of bridges. First, load rating a bridge is a routine procedure. It's done every time a new bridge is built as well as periodically throughout the bridges life, especially if the bridge is deteriorating or doesn't meet current code. As to meeting code, Rob noted that the bridge didn't rate for any design trucks, but he really should have clarified this statement. A "design truck" in bridge engineering terminology is a theoretical load. Current AASHTO LRFD bridge design code specifies HL-93 design loading, which is a combination of a theoretical fully loaded truck (HS-20 truck) AND a fully loaded lane of other vehicles acting simultaneously. Back when that old bridge was built, LRFD code didn't exist. The older code, called AASHTO standard specifications, called for a theoretical truck OR fully loaded lane. Furthermore, the weight of the theoretical truck has increased over time, so it may have been less than the current HS-20 truck back when that bridge was originally designed. My point to all this is to say that a bridge failing a load rating analysis says nothing about the condition of the bridge. Bridges fail load ratings all the time due to being older bridges that were designed to the older code. And a bridge failing to rate also doesn't make it unsafe. It just means that it may need to have a weight restriction and/or lane restriction for trucks. Any unusually heavy trucks will require a permit to cross the bridge anyway, and it is determined well in advance if those permit trucks are allowed over the bridge or if they need a detour. The driver will know this before he even leaves site with his load.
@Ujeb08
@Ujeb08 11 күн бұрын
just to respond to your first paragraph about how expensive it would be to build stronger bridges and protections; A simple solution is 4 parts (1) the costs to reinforce the bridge dolphins or whatevers, should be paid by the people involved in building these monster-sized ships. (from the designers, engineers and owners ). (2) All ships this big and operated in "tight spaces" (subjective) should be aided by tugs as insurance - again paid by the responsible parties mentioned above (deo). (3) the entire crew of these ships should be certified and tested periodically. (4) the ship's power trains and generators and backups should be inspected prior to every time traveled to "tight spaces". All of these costs should come from the $billions profits directly and indirectly to the "owners". NOT CONSUMERS!
@rfehr613
@rfehr613 11 күн бұрын
Again, your comments here show the lack of understanding by the general public. There is no justification for an international shipping company to fund transportation infrastructure in the US. It's not their bridge. It's not their land or waters. It's not their jurisdiction. Even if we attempted to force them to pay, whatever law we create would be unenforceable internationally. The best we could hope for is coordination of safety standards with the origin country. We only have the power to control how these ships navigate our waterways, and we already do this by mandating the use of tugboat or by requiring a US captain navigate the ship through the channel. The latter is what is done in the Baltimore port. As for practical solutions to avoid a disaster like this, we already have them well established. My original comment was only to rebuff the idea of 'designing for an apocalypse'. I did not get into standard design practices used today, which include the use of dolphins and fenders. Those channel devices are routinely used in new bridges over navigation channels, and they will most certainly be employed in the replacement of the Key bridge. Several other bridges in Baltimore already have these devices in place. I've inspected several of them. I would bet money that MdTA (the agency that owns the Key bridge) will be looking to outfit the remainder of their bridges with these devices to avoid another disaster. The Bay Bridge is likely their highest priority. Fortunately MdTA is fairly proactive, so I don't doubt they will do something.
@russellg1473
@russellg1473 11 күн бұрын
@@rfehr613i think the general public usually assumes the engineers know what they’re doing and therefore should not have to be familiar with bridge design principles, unless they themselves are engineers. Seems fairly reasonable to me
@rfehr613
@rfehr613 11 күн бұрын
@@russellg1473 you must be new to the internet ha ha. Everyone thinks they're an expert nowadays. I think that's how conspiracy theories are born 😆
@major__kong
@major__kong 11 күн бұрын
There's a price on your head. About $10M to be specific. I think that's the value the federal government uses for the value of a human life when designing regulations and making recommendations like the NTSB does to the FAA. If the NTSB had their way, everything would be built for Armageddon because they don't have to pay for it.
@greywolf6443
@greywolf6443 11 күн бұрын
The unexpected thing for me was, how fast that bridge kame down. You somehow expect that tomething so big and heavy collapses slowly (even though that logicaly doesn't make sens), but it took only a few seconds for everything to be over.
@user-tz2hz1sz2c
@user-tz2hz1sz2c 8 күн бұрын
I grew up in baltimore, and was devastated that such an important figure of my early life had been destroyed :(
@sevegarza
@sevegarza 12 күн бұрын
15:24 the power lines had more protection than the bridge lol
@Furious321
@Furious321 11 күн бұрын
At the risk of replying to a joke... the utility poles are nigh invisible in the dark, while the bridge is coated in street lights. I'd wager they're much more likely to get bumped into.
@chriscubingclips
@chriscubingclips 11 күн бұрын
those power lines are new. only installed in the past couple years, so they may have had higher standards about collisions/protection. previously there were power lines under the water in that area. police even stopped traffic at times during installation as to not have distracted drivers on the bridge while helicopters ran the power lines.
@Roc_ky
@Roc_ky 11 күн бұрын
Loved seeing Road Guy Rob here!
@lifelongpilot
@lifelongpilot 5 күн бұрын
By far the best, most polished video from this channel yet! Great job!
@swausgebouwen143
@swausgebouwen143 11 күн бұрын
I just had a lecture today mainly about ship + bridge collisions (among other things), and your video on the Hyatt disaster was shown.
@radudeATL
@radudeATL 12 күн бұрын
LOVE a good Road Guy Rob collab!
@ForTehNguyen
@ForTehNguyen 12 күн бұрын
the power lines near the bridge have fenders to protect against collisions but not the bridge itself
@janaldoson1542
@janaldoson1542 10 күн бұрын
This is one of the best documentary programs I watched on any platform. Thank you both!
@Borknesshas1
@Borknesshas1 11 күн бұрын
i had so many conversations about the Key bridge and tons of people saying "Oh, it should've been able to block it" which i had to keep explaining was crazy
@jamesisaac7684
@jamesisaac7684 11 күн бұрын
The same people would laugh at the engineers who quote the cost of the bridge after he designed the bridge to withstand a cargo ship hitting it.
@pufflonn
@pufflonn 12 күн бұрын
Omg!!!! Amazing video AND collab!!! 🙏👏
@JerseyAir
@JerseyAir 11 күн бұрын
I've driven on this bridge many times which makes it sad to see it go
@phlogistanjones2722
@phlogistanjones2722 11 күн бұрын
Thank you for the video Grady. I have been watching Sal @ What's up with shipping for information on the bridge collapse but it is especially welcome that you have done this. Your information approach and presentation is very easy for me to grasp and I can only say that you make everything clear and concise while providing enough depth that one comes away with a fine overview and quite a bit of detail Peaceful Skies.
@sheilam4964
@sheilam4964 9 күн бұрын
Thx for doing this, filming it and sharing it with us. Looking forward to more as you finish them.
@MrMartinSchou
@MrMartinSchou 12 күн бұрын
7:00 - Even if you DO get an engineer to explain why a massive ship slamming into a bridge pier can cause the bridge to collapse, you still get insane conspiracy theorists arguing that there's no way it could happen. Social media was filled with them right afterwards.
@kaiserruhsam
@kaiserruhsam 11 күн бұрын
there was no ship, the bridge just did that /s
@MrMartinSchou
@MrMartinSchou 11 күн бұрын
@@kaiserruhsam More along the lines of "there's no way that a ship can cause a bridge collapse. Bridges are massive! This was clearly a deep state plan! That's why there were construction workers on the bridge - they were there to help bring it down!"
@likebot.
@likebot. 11 күн бұрын
We didn't even need social media to spin conspiracy theories. Fox was on it right off, hyping for views by acting like ghost chasers "could it be this wild scenario? you decide" smh
@astrowuff
@astrowuff 12 күн бұрын
Long Beach resident here. Another important fact about our bridges is the support pylons are on land so it's much less likely to suffer a collision.
@cruisinguy6024
@cruisinguy6024 11 күн бұрын
Yes, that’s why Rob discussed that in the video…….
@alveolate
@alveolate 11 күн бұрын
don't tell the ships about this... or it won't be long before one of em goes CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
@pavanpatel4150
@pavanpatel4150 8 күн бұрын
Bridge engineer here (PE and SE too) and thoroughly enjoyed this video. Great job on explaining how risk is accounted for in design.
@ArcticonComp
@ArcticonComp 11 күн бұрын
Thank you for this video! As a maritime historian with a background in safety issues, the historical development of risk management, and port history this was such a treat and helps me explain these phenomena to people.
@bp-ob8ic
@bp-ob8ic 12 күн бұрын
Great as always, Grady. Thanks for looping Rob in. Something I just thought about, maybe an idea for a future episode ... What are the relative advantages for cable-stayed over suspension or truss bridges? I can think of several, but I'm not a CE, so there are probably more issues (cost, span, height, etc.) that play into that decision.
@louisvaught2495
@louisvaught2495 11 күн бұрын
Structural engineer here. At a high level, cable-stayed bridges are generally more economical than truss and suspension bridges for medium-length spans, which is why it seems like every new large bridge being built is cable-stayed. One of the reasons for this is that cable-stayed bridges are "balanced" on the piers, so you can construct them by building the piers first and then extending the bridge deck out from the piers in both directions. However, cable-stayed bridges are not a good design for short spans and long spans. Some eyeball math says the main span of the Gerald Desmond bridge in this video is on the shorter end of what's economical with a cable-stayed design.
@bp-ob8ic
@bp-ob8ic 11 күн бұрын
@@louisvaught2495 Thanks!! Also, they look cooler.
@martylawson1638
@martylawson1638 11 күн бұрын
I think in this case the advantage of a cable-stay bridge is the combination of span and boot-strap ability. I.e. the cable-stay bridge design makes it easy for the bridge to be used to build the bridge. So there would be minimum disruption to the shipping channel.
@gregknipe8772
@gregknipe8772 12 күн бұрын
you have the right chemistry for this work and I glad for it. thank you.
@rickfearman6827
@rickfearman6827 3 күн бұрын
Thank you for all of your explanations. There were excellent. I now fully understand the great complexities of designing a Bridge
@huntermccray4942
@huntermccray4942 12 күн бұрын
I didn't know Bill Burr was that interested in Civil Engineering.
@kurts7782
@kurts7782 11 күн бұрын
As someone from Baltimore that has crossed that bridge many many times, what a great video! Thank you so much for taking the time to put this together and giving us something positive to consider with the loss of such a great historic bridge and loss of life. I have appreciated your content for quite some time. I was pleasantly surprised to see your take on this incident that hits so close to home. Prayers to the families of those affected.
@bavondale
@bavondale 10 күн бұрын
nice to see 2 you tubers working together for a good vid
@coolmadmike
@coolmadmike 11 күн бұрын
Great collaboration between two of my favorite engineering channels!! Bravo!
@Hiya22
@Hiya22 12 күн бұрын
My two favorite creators collab on a video???? We truly don’t deserve such good content ❤️
@paulstewart6293
@paulstewart6293 12 күн бұрын
A few years ago a truck driver (40 tonnes 70 mph) near Pariis hit the pillar of a freeway bidge. It was the first time that a vehicule had brought down a bridge, closing both directions. The driver is no more. A 100,000 ton ship hitting a bridge is the same. No mystery.
@volvo09
@volvo09 12 күн бұрын
Years ago a Porsche hit the side of a bridge near my old house at 120+ mph... It left a burnt stain on the bridge.
@paulstewart6293
@paulstewart6293 12 күн бұрын
@@volvo09 And the driver? It's a funny old game innit!?
@volvo09
@volvo09 12 күн бұрын
@@paulstewart6293 yeah, he wasn't as lucky as the bridge...
@Magic-Conk
@Magic-Conk 11 күн бұрын
Great collab! I'd love to see more of this content!
@xymaryai8283
@xymaryai8283 11 күн бұрын
idk about that old bridge, but even to someone who doesnt live anywhere near America let alone Baltimore, the Key bridge is very iconic, it seems so strange its laying broken in the waters which it used to be so high above
@newworldredglobe
@newworldredglobe 12 күн бұрын
as soon as the bridge collapse I was immediately looking forward to see how you and road guy rob would cover the event, mind was blown when you collaborated on this video, hope you do more in the future!
@AlanTheBeast100
@AlanTheBeast100 12 күн бұрын
The "no tug" requirement is a competitive one - if a port requires tugs, the ship captain or operator will go to a port that does not require tugs. So ports do not require tugs to maintain their competitiveness.
@PedersonPantry
@PedersonPantry 12 күн бұрын
A collab I didn’t know I needed! Love RGR
@Glenn_AE6YT
@Glenn_AE6YT 10 күн бұрын
Glad to see our new bridge in your video. It was a real headache dealing with the years of construction, but it makes the crossing easier and safer for all. Take care.
@MegaOoga
@MegaOoga 12 күн бұрын
very cool to see a road guy bob feature
@m1stertim
@m1stertim 12 күн бұрын
bridge guy bob
@petermgruhn
@petermgruhn 11 күн бұрын
I had to skip through his segments.
@dhawthorne1634
@dhawthorne1634 11 күн бұрын
"Anyone can design a bridge that will stand for 100 years. It takes an engineer to design a bridge that will barely stand for that time."
@appa609
@appa609 6 күн бұрын
This is a misconception. The Engineer's goal is not to reduce redundancy it is to meet a list of goals including a budget and timeline.
@dhawthorne1634
@dhawthorne1634 6 күн бұрын
@@appa609 That's what the quote means. Anyone can break the bank to construct a bridge that will last. IT takes an engineer how to safely cut costs so that the bridge is in a constant state of barely standing.
@appa609
@appa609 5 күн бұрын
@@dhawthorne1634 A well engineered bridge is not generally "barely standing" it fulfills all project requirements including regulations on structural FOS. A typical road bridge might be capable of holding 3x the maximum design load.
@BillCraven
@BillCraven 11 күн бұрын
Adding to the love for @RoadGuyRob. Always entertaining and realistic about the engineering aspects of road design without taking a side.
@IntricateUniverse25
@IntricateUniverse25 11 күн бұрын
This is a colab I been wanting to see. I honestly thought it would never happen but I am glad you guys did. Congrats
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 11 күн бұрын
15:40 - Brady talks about "Back of the envelope math", but proceeds to do all his math on the front of the envelope. 🤣
@AnthonyLBarnes
@AnthonyLBarnes 12 күн бұрын
This is among my favorite videos you've ever produced and the two person perspective here really did a great job of creating speculative content that was still grounded and not reaching. I really appreciate the content the quality of this video thanks to both of you
@robertpierce1981
@robertpierce1981 12 күн бұрын
Grady thank you for covering this. The Key Bridge is 90 minutes south of me and I’ve traveled over it numerous times.
@obijuan42
@obijuan42 11 күн бұрын
Love seeing a Road Guy Rob cameo. As others have said, his channel is super underrated and worth checking out!
@veitforabetterworld7058
@veitforabetterworld7058 12 күн бұрын
7:20 technically a bridge is moving, you just have to push hard enough
@emary711
@emary711 12 күн бұрын
Would the existing dolphin have been enough to stop the ship, assuming it had hit it head on? I'm sure these "dolphins" are relatively expensive, but so is replacing a bridge and crippling an active port. If you ever get the chance it would be fun to see you do a back of the envelope design for a dolphin or series of dolphins that would've been sufficient to stop this cargo ship (assuming this existing one was not) and aprox. how much they would've cost... very approximate cost
@mittfh
@mittfh 9 күн бұрын
Aside from a head-on encounter, those dolphins seemed quite far away from the piers, enabling the Dali to slip between them and the pier. I wonder if there'd been dolphins between the existing ones and the pier (which may not have been possible to implement for hydrological / environmental reasons), would the ship have just ran over them and allided with the piers anyway, or could they have steered the ship left slightly, so potentially hitting the concrete base of the piers but not the steel itself?
@badman4life2rip
@badman4life2rip 11 күн бұрын
Been waiting to hear your take on this!
@coolpiehead1234
@coolpiehead1234 11 күн бұрын
Awesome video, I love that you brought on Rob, hope to see more collabs in the future! 🛣️
@neosenshi
@neosenshi 11 күн бұрын
Thank you for this excellent video. When people complain about why code wants us to do something I'll tell them "Code is written in blood."
@Krahazik
@Krahazik 11 күн бұрын
Most health and safety regulations too.
@slaveofjesus3878
@slaveofjesus3878 10 күн бұрын
That may be truth for most code issues, however, in the architectural field, much of the code revisions and additions over the last twenty years is more for other considerations, not life safety.
@jameshenner5831
@jameshenner5831 11 күн бұрын
that's a lot of pier pressure
@imnotthatmatt6524
@imnotthatmatt6524 4 күн бұрын
I could listen to Rob explain things for hours
@Dales_Workshop
@Dales_Workshop 11 күн бұрын
Thanks Grady. I knew you'd tackle this and do a great job, as usual. I've been waiting for this video since the event happened. I have high confidence that you present accurate information for us non-engineers.
@KevinD-wn7pd
@KevinD-wn7pd 12 күн бұрын
Layman's Terms: Bridges are designed to resist vertical pressures, not horizontal pressures. That is why earthquakes take down bridges... because of the lateral movement.
@petermgruhn
@petermgruhn 11 күн бұрын
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/www.fhwa.dot.gov/bridge/seismic/nhi130093.pdf
@paillette2010
@paillette2010 12 күн бұрын
That footage is hard to watch when you know people are in their vehicles as it submerges. Heartbreaking 💔
@rowanhensley3615
@rowanhensley3615 12 күн бұрын
The bridge was closed to vehicle traffic at the time of collapse.
@paillette2010
@paillette2010 11 күн бұрын
@@rowanhensley3615 Did you not read the news when it happened? Quote: BALTIMORE - Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge collapsed after its support column was struck by a malfunctioning cargo ship in the early morning hours of March 26, sending eight construction workers into the Patapsco River below, and killing six of them. Endquote Astonishing that people aren't aware of that.
@rocketman221projects
@rocketman221projects 11 күн бұрын
@@rowanhensley3615 There was a construction crew on the bridge when it collapsed. Six people died, some of them were in those vehicles.
@ScottStClair-dm6vk
@ScottStClair-dm6vk 11 күн бұрын
Bow overhang from centerline to me is what got the key bridge as well as inadequate protection around the bridge itself!
@malalexander3515
@malalexander3515 11 күн бұрын
An excellent tag-team presentation. Quite informative.
@victormanuelnavasbenavides2416
@victormanuelnavasbenavides2416 11 күн бұрын
One for the algoritm
@gmergmer-px4fb
@gmergmer-px4fb 12 күн бұрын
Ship goes brrr and bridge goes down
@First-Name_Last-Name
@First-Name_Last-Name 12 күн бұрын
Ship is stronk, bridge is brittle.
@Sugar3Glider
@Sugar3Glider 12 күн бұрын
If only the bridge had installed bumpers.
@GiantEnemyMudcrabz
@GiantEnemyMudcrabz 12 күн бұрын
well I think the problem here was that the ship stopped going brrr. Couldn't brrr itself from hitting the bridge.
@KodakYarr
@KodakYarr 12 күн бұрын
Ship stops going brrr and makes bridge go brrr instead
@floydwordsworth9175
@floydwordsworth9175 11 күн бұрын
I think the issue was more the fact the ship stopped going brrr XD
@leonardofontenelle3560
@leonardofontenelle3560 11 күн бұрын
22:24 saw the pedestrian way from below, was going to ask about a bike way, thanks for covering this part
@atavanH
@atavanH 8 күн бұрын
I loved that Grady waited before making a video on this. Really shows he’s engineer first, content creator second, by waiting to acquire in-depth analysis and information.
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