How Can Catholics Say There's No Salvation Outside the Church?

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18 күн бұрын

Can someone be saved outside the Catholic Church? Trent Horn ‪@TheCounselofTrent‬ explores the Catholic doctrine of salvation and the distinction between denominations and apostolic churches.
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@jaymoret7418
@jaymoret7418 15 күн бұрын
There's no salvation outside of Jesus Christ. And He's the head of the Catholic Church.
@ChrisumChrisumChrisum666
@ChrisumChrisumChrisum666 9 күн бұрын
Jesus is a mushroom
@sandragambrel9721
@sandragambrel9721 22 сағат бұрын
And, He's the head of His body, of which we are all members of when we confess Jesus as our Lord, and Savior. How many members have to gather together to make a "church"? Two, or, three? When two, or three, are gathered together, in His name, He is there with them.
@jaymoret7418
@jaymoret7418 21 сағат бұрын
@@sandragambrel9721 I appreciate your fallible interpretation and understanding. I believe it's incorrect. Our Lord can work outside His Church. But that's not the normal means of salvation.
@davidcole333
@davidcole333 17 күн бұрын
Bottom line is that Christ alone judges...and He can judge as he sees fit.
@jeremias-serus
@jeremias-serus 17 күн бұрын
Indeed and thus we should do all we can to have the highest chance for salvation for possible. Join his official and only Church ASAP.
@getrit3007
@getrit3007 17 күн бұрын
Evangelicalism vs Proselytization Definition of “proselyte”: a person who has converted from one opinion, religion, or party to another. Definition of “evangelical”: The term “evangelical” comes from the Greek word euangelion, meaning “the good news” or the “gospel.” Thus, the evangelical faith focuses on the “good news” of salvation brought to sinners by Jesus Christ. Disciples evangelize or spread the gospel. Pharisees proselytize or try to convince people to convert to their brand of religion. Evangelicalism is fueled by love for the salvation of the lost and obedience to the command of Jesus Christ to spread the Gospel. The act of proselytization, on the other hand, can be seen as nothing more than a superficial recruitment tactic reminiscent of the Pharisees. Pharisees, in today's context, are individuals who prioritize their religious brand of church over the proclamation of the message of the gospel of Christ. They take great pride in attracting converts from other faiths, viewing them as trophies of their success and proof they have the truth. However, these converts are never won through the method Jesus instituted - the gospel - but through a grand presentation of their church history, based many times on spurious spiritual experiences and historical grandizement meant to convince the ignorant and weak of God’s approval of them. Here’s how the Catholic Church attracts converts: To become Catholic, attend a mass and speak to a local parish about Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults (RCIA) classes. After 1 year of learning about Catholicism, you'll get baptized at Easter mass and be an official Catholic. Here’s how Jesus attracts converts: Jesus said, Mark 16:15 (KJV) "Go ye into all the world, and **preach the gospel** to every creature." Here’s how Paul attracts converts: 1 Corinthians 1:17 (KJV) "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to **preach the gospel**: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." Are you seeking converts to your religion or to Christ? God’s way is through preaching the gospel: Romans 1:16 (KJV) "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth!!!" Man’s way is through religion: Matthew 23:15, "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves." Which category do you fall into?
@cbooth151
@cbooth151 17 күн бұрын
"Bottom line is that Christ alone judges...and He can judge as he sees fit." Not so. Jesus judges by God's standards. As John 5:30 says: ""I cannot do anything on my own; I judge as I hear, and my judgment is just, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the one who sent me."
@in_defense_of_the_church
@in_defense_of_the_church 17 күн бұрын
@@getrit3007the problem with your idea of evangelization is that those in Scripture witnessed to non believers. What you’re trying to compare is attracting people to a set of beliefs that don’t come from the Apostles. You’re either inviting them to an established community such as a presbyterian community, a baptist community, a lutheran community, any of the other established communities, or telling them all they need is the Bible and a personal relationship and no need for a Church. All of which are not what the Apostles taught. You may think you’re doing wrong in that work but you’re actually contradicting the Word and God’s will displacing the flock and not holding to the Traditions of the Apostles, whether spoken or written.
@getrit3007
@getrit3007 17 күн бұрын
@@in_defense_of_the_church my idea of evangelization is preach the gospel! You’re making me not understand your point! What did Jesus preach? What did the apostles preach! I never mentioned any type of denomination. That’s what Catholics do. Do you not understand Jesus is the church. You think going to a catholic building is church and it’s full of pedophiles.
@apocryphanow
@apocryphanow 17 күн бұрын
Perhaps put the question in reverse. If no one needs the Church, why did Jesus create the Church?
@HaleStorm49
@HaleStorm49 17 күн бұрын
Perhaps it wasn't Jesus.
@andrewlailvaux1571
@andrewlailvaux1571 16 күн бұрын
The Church isn't a building it's everyone who has Faith in Christ regardless of interpretation of scripture.
@HaleStorm49
@HaleStorm49 16 күн бұрын
@@andrewlailvaux1571 One body, 40k blood types?
@andrewlailvaux1571
@andrewlailvaux1571 16 күн бұрын
@@HaleStorm49 1) Members of the Body of Christ are joined to Christ in salvation (Ephesians 4:15-16). 2) Members of the Body of Christ follow Christ as their Head (Ephesians 1:22-23). 3) Members of the Body of Christ are the physical representation of Christ in this world. The Church is the organism through which Christ manifests His life to the world today. 4) Members of the Body of Christ are indwelt by the Holy Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9). 5) Members of the Body of Christ possess a diversity of gifts suited to particular functions (1 Corinthians 12:4-31). “The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ” (verse 12). 6) Members of the Body of Christ share a common bond with all other Christians, regardless of background, race, or ministry. “There should be no division in the body, but . . . its parts should have equal concern for each other” (1 Corinthians 12:25). 7) Members of the Body of Christ are secure in their salvation (John 10:28-30). For a Christian to lose his salvation, God would have to perform an “amputation” on the Body of Christ! 8) Members of the Body of Christ partake of Christ’s death and resurrection (Colossians 2:12). 9) Members of the Body of Christ share Christ’s inheritance (Romans 8:17). 10) Members of the Body of Christ receive the gift of Christ’s righteousness (Romans 5:17). ;) What you got Catholic? Besides a lack of knowledge of scripture.
@GardenMinistry.
@GardenMinistry. 16 күн бұрын
​@@andrewlailvaux1571 Just as the Lord instructed Moses to build a Tabernacle in a very specific way, a heavenly temple with the Arc of the Covenant inside. So too does The Catholic Church house a Tabernacle, the centerpiece of every church, where The Real Presence of The Lord in the Holy Eucharist lies inside. The is the Sacrament instituted by Jesus in the gospel. We bow and genuflect in the direction of the Tabernacle every time we walk inside a Catholic Church. There are many Eucharistic miracles you can look up, where the bread literally turns into flesh and blood. The "church" isn't only a community, it isn't only a building. To Catholics, The Church is where The Lord is, in The Tabernacle, and with the altar of the sacrifice where we worship. It is Heaven on Earth. This is Old Testament meets New Testament, this is the fullness of the faith completed in Christ. Sadly protestant "feel good rock concerts" and "40,000 different bible study interpretations" will always miss the mark, and will always lack the reverence, true worship (sacrifice), and fullness of what Christ wanted His true Church to be through his Apostolic succession. I highly HIGHLY recommend a RCIA course in your local Catholic Parish to learn more about the significance of what The Catholic Church actually teaches, not from misguided preachers, but from the actual Church itself. There are so many stories about anti-Catholic preachers converting to the Catholic faith after learning the deeper truth, check out Scott Hahn and Jeff Cavins among many others.
@BillyJoeBob-hd9fm
@BillyJoeBob-hd9fm 15 күн бұрын
1CORINTHIANS 13: “If I have faith great enough to move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. There are in the end three things that last: faith, hope, and love, and the greatest of these is love.” Faith without love is not true faith. As Jesus said: "It is not those who call me "Lord! Lord!, but those who do the will of my heavenly Father." The will of God is that we love, for God is Love. "This is my commandment, that you love one another. By this will everyone know that you're my followers, that you love one another."
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb 17 күн бұрын
THE DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.”
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 17 күн бұрын
Yes, that’s correct. However, how many current day Protestants can honestly claim not to know the Truth of His One True Church which they have knowingly rejected?
@vSwampFox
@vSwampFox 12 күн бұрын
VERY FEW are those. Matt. 7:13-14
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb 12 күн бұрын
@@vSwampFox POPE BENEDICT XVI: While Catholic believe the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit and that it is true, “one cannot take individual biblical quotes or passages and say each one is literally true.” “It is possible to understand the sacred Scriptures as the word of God only by looking at the Bible as a whole, a totality in which the individual elements enlighten each other and open the way to understanding. It is not possible to apply the criterion of inspiration or of absolute truth in a mechanical way, extrapolating a single phrase or expression.” Catholic News Service, May 2011
@BillyJoeBob-hd9fm
@BillyJoeBob-hd9fm 12 күн бұрын
@@vSwampFox And certainly, you are among those very few! LOL
@vSwampFox
@vSwampFox 12 күн бұрын
@@Catholicity-uw2yb while the Holy Father is correct in this statement, the entire statement is not fully true. It is indeed entirely possible to be inspired, of an absolutely truth, from a single phrase or single scripture. So claiming it impossible, is simply not true.
@johnflorio3576
@johnflorio3576 18 күн бұрын
Non Salus Extra Ecclesiam. Ephesians 4:4-6. There is only one God, only one faith, and only one baptism.
@br.m
@br.m 17 күн бұрын
Yes and Roman Catholics are outside of the faith. Gone off script and taking captive with empty philosophy and tradition of men.
@markgraham2312
@markgraham2312 17 күн бұрын
Nothing about the Catholic Church there.
@ironrex6979
@ironrex6979 17 күн бұрын
@@markgraham2312the Catholic Church is the continuation of the original Church Fathers tradition.
@MountainsBreath
@MountainsBreath 17 күн бұрын
@@markgraham2312where did you get your Bible from? Who canonized it? It’s the one true Catholic Church like it or not.
@markgraham2312
@markgraham2312 16 күн бұрын
@@MountainsBreath I got it from a store. It was canonized by the Christian Church in two church councils one in 393 AD in Carthage and the other in 397 AD in Hippo. What does: " It’s the one true Catholic" mean. What does "It's" refer to? I read the New Testament in its original Koine Greek, do you? Outside the Church there is salvation. It is the doctrine of the Catholic Church. Lumen Gentium, 16; Gaudium et Spes, 22; Ad Gentes, 7; Nostra Aetate, 1. With Vatican II the optimistic view of Karl Rahner has become clearly a matter of Catholic doctrine. Also consider: There are approximately 100 billion (100 x 10^9) stars in the Milky Way galaxy. Approximately 1/2 the stars have planets and the average number of planets orbiting a star are two. If the probability of developing life on the order of human beings is 1/50,000 then there are approximately: 100 x 10^9 x 1/2 x 2 x 1/50,000 = 2 million planets in our galaxy with life on the order of human beings. How will they ever know anything about Jesus Christ? How? Then take into account that there are about 200 billion (200 x 10^9) galaxies in the universe, which would yield: 200 x 10^9 galaxies x 2 million planets with life on the order of human beings = 400 quadrillion planets (400 x 10^12) with people on the order of human beings living on them. How is the Church going to get to them? Ever? Clearly, outside the Church there is salvation.
@silenthammer2900
@silenthammer2900 17 күн бұрын
"Unless you eat my body and drink my blood, you shall not have life within you." This is a clear statement of one of the requirements for salvation. However, immediately after Jesus died on the crucifix, He descended into Hell (Hades?). What did He DO there? It is believed that He released those awaiting Heaven, but were denied because Jesus Christ had not existed -- as a MAN as well as God -- and therefore His Salvation did not exist on earth yet. God is not a MAN. He is a Being we can not grasp with our human minds. Whatever is His Will is being carried out now, in the past and in the future. Amongst His characteristics is His COMPASSION, and He does not HATE anything He created. And the choice for salvation is mainly by humans, ourselves. Salvation is AVAILABLE. We CHOOSE salvation or we reject it. The Catholic Church has The Means for us to "Eat" and "Drink" of Him, and it is available to ALL people. So, given that fact, those who choose to reverently and adoringly do so, not refuse it, will be Saved. We will all sin, in some way. We will probably carry some of those sins into death. But as long as we are not inherently EVIL people, we will not be condemned for eternity. We will be offered a time and circumstance to forgive ourselves -- "clean up", as it were -- and don the spotless wedding garment. Praise Be The Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Peace be with you!
@mr.e8432
@mr.e8432 6 күн бұрын
I don’t have my copy of the catechism on me right now, but I’m pretty sure it acknowledges that even non-believers can be saved. The amount of disinformation nondenominational Christians have about Catholicism is staggering.
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb 6 күн бұрын
ST. TERESA BENEDICTA OF THE CROSS (EDITH STEIN): “It has always been far from me to think that God’s mercy allows itself to be circumscribed (limited) by the visible Church’s boundaries. God is Truth. All who seek truth seek God, whether this is clear to them or not.”
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb 6 күн бұрын
THE DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.”
@rhwinner
@rhwinner 18 күн бұрын
If you're not at the supper of the Lamb in the Holy Eucharist, if you deliberately absent yourself from the flock of Christ, if you cut yourself off from the Body of Christ, if you withhold charity for your Brothers in Christ and hurl invective and slander, and accuse of being in league with Beelzebub, then your sin is very dire indeed.
@mikewilliams6025
@mikewilliams6025 18 күн бұрын
Yes. And it's just as dire for Catholics as it is for Protestants.
@TimSpangler-rd6vs
@TimSpangler-rd6vs 17 күн бұрын
@@mikewilliams6025 I have eternal life.
@mikewilliams6025
@mikewilliams6025 17 күн бұрын
@TimSpangler-rd6vs me too, brother! Thank you, Lord!
@Diesel_Mountain
@Diesel_Mountain 17 күн бұрын
@@rhwinner tell that to everyone around the world being persecuted for their belief in Jesus Christ yet don't have a brick and mortar building to attend. All the Chinese and North Koreans and beyond who don't participate are less in your eyes because they aren't loyal to your organization. That's terrible logic, and if you think God will punish for that, one of us doesn't know the Lord Jesus as we think we do.
@jpstahl2939
@jpstahl2939 16 күн бұрын
Here is the question I have then. Is someone saved by obeying God and avoiding sin or are they saved through faith in Jesus? My answer is that a person is saved through faith, then they are a new creature that desires to obey God and avoid sin, but it was that faith that brought the person into the kingdom of Light. Col 1:13-14
@francismarion6400
@francismarion6400 15 күн бұрын
There's no salvation unless you accept Francis's authority.
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 9 күн бұрын
' Romans 6:23 says, 'For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. ' 'Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved' (Acts 4:12).
@MaranglikPeterTo-Rot
@MaranglikPeterTo-Rot 17 күн бұрын
Thank you Catholic Answers. And a special thanks to Trent Horn. Gracias ❤️
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb 18 күн бұрын
ST. POPE JOHN PAUL II: “The universality of salvation means that it is granted not only to those who explicitly believe in Christ and have entered the church. Since salvation is offered to all, it must be made concretely available to all. But it is clear that today, as in the past, many people do not have an opportunity to come to know or accept the Gospel revelation or enter the Church. The social and cultural conditions in which they live do not permit this, and frequently they have been brought up in other religious traditions. For such people salvation in Christ is accessible by virtue of a grace, which, while having a mysterious relationship to the Church, does not make them formally part of the Church but enlightens them in a way which is accommodated to their spiritual and material situation. This grace comes from Christ; it is the result of his Sacrifice and is communicated by the Holy Spirit. It enables each person to attain salvation through his or her free cooperation.”
@donreinke5863
@donreinke5863 17 күн бұрын
Propaganda, courtesy of JohnnyPaul2
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb 17 күн бұрын
1 JOHN 4:7-12: Beloved, let us love one another because love is of God; everyone who loves is begotten of God and has knowledge of God. The person without love has known nothing of God, for God is love. God’s love was revealed in our midst in this way: he sent his only Son to the world that we might have life through him. Love then, consists in this: not that we have loved God, but that he has loved us and has sent his Son as an offering for our sins. Beloved, if God has loved us so, we must have the same love for one another. No one has ever seen God. Yet if we love one another, God dwells in us, and his love is brought to perfection in us.
@chronos401
@chronos401 17 күн бұрын
Starting when the Apostles were alive, various men appeared pushing their own brand of Christianity. This has continued up through today. The Bible instructs us to test the spirits, prophets, teachers, doctrines, and Gospel to see if they're from God. If they are not, do not listen to them. The vast majority have not done so. That's why Catholics and other denominations have lost sight of the real goal. The original church, if it survived, has had the responsibility for spreading God's Word worldwide, seeking conversions, and bringing back lost sheep. Early disciples risked their lives doing this.
@carakerr4081
@carakerr4081 17 күн бұрын
Thank you for this excellent explanation 🙏
@ElectricBluJay
@ElectricBluJay 17 күн бұрын
It appears there is salvation outside the church after all. There appear to be exceptions to the dogma of salvation through water baptism as well. Is there any condition for salvation in the Roman Catholic Church that is strictly non-negotiable?
@vinciblegaming6817
@vinciblegaming6817 17 күн бұрын
All people who have heard the gospel learned the gospel from the church. This is the meaning of CCC 166: Faith is a personal act - the free response of the human person to the initiative of God who reveals himself. But faith is not an isolated act. No one can believe alone, just as no one can live alone. *You have not given yourself faith as you have not given yourself life.*
@southernlady1109
@southernlady1109 18 күн бұрын
Jesus Christ established His One Only True Apostolic Catholic Church, Clergy, Doctrine, Sacraments & Teachings, with His apostles, in 33AD, before His Passion. He appointed them leaders, Peter as Head, gave him The Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven(His authority, power, Doctrine). He taught and prayed for everyone to be His One True Church, His Bride, receiving His Sacraments, Doctrine & Teaching. Jn 1:42, 21:15-17, Mt 16:18-19, 10:1-4, Mk3:14-19, Eph 2:19-22, 1 Cor 12:28, Acts 20:28, Lk 22:28-32, 1 Pet 2:6-9, Eph5:22-33, Rev 22:17 He taught we’re to remain in His Church, Doctrine or we DO NOT HAVE HIM. 2 Jn 1:9 He taught we’re to receive His Sacraments or we will never enter Heaven. Jn3:5, 6:51-59, 1 Cor 11:23-29, Jn 20:21-23, 2 Cor 5:18-20, Mt18:17-18 a few. Jesus commanded us to defend His Church & Faith. Eph 6:10-18 Jesus rebuked the Pharisees and Scribes for making their own versions of His Church, Doctrine and Teachings, like all 44,000 other Christian Churches & other faiths have done. They can’t receive His Sacraments. They don’t receive His Doctrine, Scripture, Gospel or Sacred Traditions; they receive heretical men’s versions of Gods. That’s like telling God you think your way is better. Mt 23:1-39, Lk 11:37-54 Remain in His Church, Doctrine & Gospel-Jn 10:16, 17:20-26, Eph 4:4-6, 2 JN1:9, 2 Thess3:6-16, Rom16:17, Heb 13:9, Gal 1:6-9, 2 Cor 11:3-4 Sacraments-Jn 3:5, Act 22:16, 2 Cor 5:18-20, Jn 20:21-23, Mt 18:17-18, Jn 6:51-59, 1 Cor 11:23-29, Eph 1:13, 2Cor 1:21-22, Mt19:4-6, Col 3:17-19, 2Cor5:20, 1:25-29, Lk22:28-32, Jm 5:16, Lk10:34 are a few pertinent verses.
@donreinke5863
@donreinke5863 17 күн бұрын
His church ceased to exist once mere men corrupted it.
@southernlady1109
@southernlady1109 17 күн бұрын
@@donreinke5863 Gods Catholic Church (His Bride) will be raised into Heaven on the Last Day. He said the forces of hell will not prevail against His Church. Instead of trolling videos to slander Gods Church, you owe it to yourself to learn about the only Church established by our God and Savior Jesus Christ. Why are you trolling Catholic videos?
@chronos401
@chronos401 17 күн бұрын
Waves of Catholic hierarchy created their own manmade versions of the church, doctrine, and teachings. Starting when the Apostles were alive, various men appeared and pushed their own brand of Christianity. That's why scripture instructs to test the spirits, prophets, teachers, doctrines, and Gospel to see if they're from God. The vast majority have not been doing this. Here are some examples: Jesus said to repent (turn away) from sin. Your hierarchy changed that into just confess, the more the better but at least once a year. The Apostles created a list of sins to avoid and required all transgressions be confessed right before receiving the Eucharist. Your hierarchy changed that to only mortal sins without providing a list of them nor venial ones. 1 Timothy 3 states the bishops, priests, and deacons must be married men with children and meet other criteria. Your hierarchy imposed a celibacy requirement then marriage ban beginning in the 11th and 12th century, respectively. Early Christians fasted with no food every Wed and Fri from sundown the day prior to sunset the day of. Your hierarchy changed fasting to only two days per year and the person is allowed to eat a full meal and two partial meals during that period. On and on and on.
@southernlady1109
@southernlady1109 17 күн бұрын
@@chronos401 100% FALSE! Your opinion & interpretation does not negate Gods truth. Why are you trolling Catholic videos?
@philkasouf256
@philkasouf256 17 күн бұрын
Hey, lots of bible verses to ponder, Here''s a couple of more to consider , that you may not like. 1Timothy 4:1-4
@willing_spirit6830
@willing_spirit6830 17 күн бұрын
It's probably not acceptable for an apologist to say "I don't know", but it would have been a more satisfying answer. God works through everyone, so pretty irrelevant to the question of how he could be a canonized saint? Could Saint Gregory of Narek have had invincible ignorance?
@fredjasper7378
@fredjasper7378 17 күн бұрын
There is no salvation outside the Church...done....sorry Luther heresy followers and fantasy landers
@jaykwonzzz
@jaykwonzzz 17 күн бұрын
There's a lot of comments on this video that seem to be making salvific claims. If you think you know who will be saved, then I suggest you examine your relationship with God and the Church.
@danielcigolea7221
@danielcigolea7221 17 күн бұрын
So are you saying the whole Catholic faith is wrong because they make the claim that they know who is saved?
@jaykwonzzz
@jaykwonzzz 17 күн бұрын
@@danielcigolea7221 The Catholic church never makes a claim to know who, without error, is saved. They have doctrines that outline salvation, but even Pope John Paul II said when discussing baptism by implicit desire, "Since Christ died for everyone, and since the ultimate calling of each of us comes from God and is therefore a universal one, we are obliged to hold that the Holy Spirit offers everyone the possibility of sharing in this Paschal Mystery in a manner known to God." This is saying that salvation is available to those who do not know Christ because Christ died for all of us, but he also makes sure to say that everyone is offered the possibility...in a manner known to God. The idea that any earthly entity can say for sure who is saved and who isn't is anathema to Catholicism. Take the sacraments: the Church and its followers are bound by them, but that doesn't mean God is.
@danielcigolea7221
@danielcigolea7221 17 күн бұрын
@@jaykwonzzz There are videos of priests at mass teaching that salvation can only be attained inside the Catholic church. Therefore, they indirectly say they know for sure who is saved and who is not. If this is not orthodox doctrine I am not sure why are they still priests or why are not corrections being made. I often hear people excusing this type of things (on various subjects) by saying 'this is not official doctrine' but they continue to preach it as true. That does not make any sense.
@baldwinthefourth4098
@baldwinthefourth4098 12 күн бұрын
We know that those outside of the Church are damned because that's what the Church explicitely teaches.
@jaykwonzzz
@jaykwonzzz 11 күн бұрын
@@baldwinthefourth4098 No, that's not what the church "explicitly teaches". More bad theology. The Church teaches that "there is no salvation outside The Church", but the explicit nature of what that means is only known to a degree. Define "in communion with The Church". This is why the very concept of baptism by desire exists. We know some ways to salvation, but not every way. Likewise, we are held by the sacraments, but God is not. Again, you should really analyze your relationship with The Church if you feel comfortable in making salvific claims.
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb 11 күн бұрын
ST. POPE JOHN PAUL II: “By forgiving his executioners, Jesus showed he is not the accuser of the guilty but rather their advocate and intercessor. Jesus’ words of forgiveness - “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do” - were spoken in circumstances of the greatest hatred and cruelty. Jesus forgives His adversaries immediately, even as their hostility continues. Jesus is the defender, not the accuser of the guilty, because He knows that many can be less guilty than it appears, or one thinks. For this reason, he taught his followers not to judge others. The mercy Jesus asked for His executioners is extended to all humanity.”
@martinmartin1363
@martinmartin1363 17 күн бұрын
The Catholic Church has the sacraments to attain for catholics entry to heaven and the beatific vision and without them there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church The best Protestant denominations and other religions can hope for is eternal purgatory and they only have this option because of the sacraments of the Catholic Church
@samuelotache9239
@samuelotache9239 16 күн бұрын
Everything you said is false teaching. We are not saved by being a member of a church and sacraments. We are saved by faith alone in Christ. Y
@martinmartin1363
@martinmartin1363 16 күн бұрын
@@samuelotache9239 If you have faith alone and nothing else you are not doing God’s will you are doing your own will and this is the sin of Protestantism
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 16 күн бұрын
@@samuelotache9239Faith alone is unbiblical & by rejecting grace received via His Sacraments esp baptism Jn 3:5 & His Real True Presence Jn 6 53, you are disobeying Jesus & putting your salvation at risk.
@samuelotache9239
@samuelotache9239 15 күн бұрын
@@geoffjs you say that because you don't know the scriptures. You have been indoctrinated with false teachings. Work based salvation is unbilical. It is another gospel. We are not saved by Faith+Works . We are saved by faith. Works are a necessary product of salvation not the cause of it. I suggest you repent and surrender your life to Christ.
@samuelotache9239
@samuelotache9239 15 күн бұрын
@@martinmartin1363 before you do they will of God, you need to be saved and you are saved by faith alone. Faith+Works is another gospel. I suggest you come out of religion and surrender your life to Christ
@WordofGodinmyheart
@WordofGodinmyheart 18 күн бұрын
Catholic:- There is no salvation without Catholic Church Protestant:- Are Catholics Saved ? Crazy World 😅
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 18 күн бұрын
Essentially, Jesus est His One True Church which is the pillar & foundation of Truth 1 Tim 3:15 which codified the Bible in 382. Those with invincible ignorance, such as never hearing about Christianity or Catholicism can be saved by God in His mercy. However, those who knowingly reject the teachings of His Church put their salvation at risk. Think how many times that that has happened since the reformation!
@classicalteacher
@classicalteacher 18 күн бұрын
There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church because Jesus Christ is the head of the Catholic Church and there is no salvation outside of Jesus Christ. God planned His Church at the beginning of time for the salvation of His people. The Catholic Church has the fullness of faith. The Catholic Church has the Eucharist and all theSacraments.
@classicalteacher
@classicalteacher 18 күн бұрын
Also if 95% of Catholics are in mortal sin from the use of contraception, 95% of Catholics are going to hell. What chance will prots have to attain heaven?
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 18 күн бұрын
@@classicalteacherYour point is valid, however, I doubt that it is 95%
@TimSpangler-rd6vs
@TimSpangler-rd6vs 17 күн бұрын
@@geoffjs No such thing as invincible ignorance
@watchyoutb
@watchyoutb 18 күн бұрын
I would need to read more on this teaching but to the less read up layperson it's one of those things which feels a bit difficult to fit together. I'd want it to be a bit simpler - "you need to be a member of the Catholic Church". But then the talk of people being members of the "invisible" Church etc., those that sincerely seek the truth, muddies the water and it gets more complicated and more difficult to get to grips with. Not many people are going to actually read enough to get a unified understanding. Maybe I'll get around to it one day.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 18 күн бұрын
You don’t need to read much to understand the basics. Essentially, Jesus est His One True Church which is the pillar & foundation of Truth 1 Tim 3:15 which codified the Bible in 382. Those with invincible ignorance, such as never hearing about Christianity or Catholicism can be saved by God in His mercy. However, those who knowingly reject the teachings of His Church put their salvation at risk. Think how many times that that has happened since the reformation!
@watchyoutb
@watchyoutb 18 күн бұрын
​​@@geoffjs thanks. So I guess the crucial part is "put their salvation at risk" is different to the dogma "no salvation". I'm thinking of good people who refuse to become Catholic, they remain another denomination with full knowledge. That's surely rejecting Catholic teaching
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 18 күн бұрын
@@watchyoutbOnly God can & will each person’s heart. However, I know fractious Protestants who are ill willed towards the CC & reject papal authority as well as His Real Presence in the Eucharist Jn 6:53 & regard baptism Jn 3:5 as optional thereby disobeying Jesus. I don’t think that it will go well for them because of that disobedience Lk 12 27-40
@masterchief8179
@masterchief8179 18 күн бұрын
For the Catholic Church, “Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus” doesn’t mean (and it has never meant) that every individual outside of the formal/ full membership in the Catholic Church is necessarily damned. What damns someone in the eyes of an All-Benevolent God - who is also the Lord of Justice - is culpability in mortal sinning. What does it mean? That non-Catholics (and in some cases even formal Catholics can be accountable for those) are responsible either for their own deliberate acts of schism and/or heresy, either for their culpable/ vincible ignorance. _“(…) one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [i.e., Protestant ecclesial communities] that resulted from such separation and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers. _*_All who have been justified by faith in baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church_*_ (….)”_ (CCC, § 818). That doesn’t mean one can be saved elsewhere but being part of the Catholic Church. It can mean to be mystically united to it, with different degrees of perfection. It won’t jeopardize the salvation of a pious Orthodox old lady in the countryside of Bulgaria or a humble Baptist mom of four children that lived their Christian life the best they could (and not to antagonize with us as a way of identity), meaning that, according to our theology, they are supposedly personally guilt of the sin of division/ schism or that they are culpable of heresies for the simple fact that they were born outside of Catholic community: it is simply to flirt with the heresy of Feeneyism. That’s not Catholic dogma, my friend.
@TimSpangler-rd6vs
@TimSpangler-rd6vs 17 күн бұрын
@@geoffjs How do you know the Church is the Pillar of truth?
@thinkingtogether5328
@thinkingtogether5328 10 күн бұрын
How do we know that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church? Probably this is, what Jesus promised: "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven* (*but only those who belong to the Church)."
@mariacisneros6114
@mariacisneros6114 18 күн бұрын
🙏
@blaiseaimee7098
@blaiseaimee7098 14 күн бұрын
How come Trent keeps saying "Church Catholic" instead of "Catholic Church"? I didn't get the memo.
@catholicdoomer
@catholicdoomer 17 күн бұрын
I am a former Protestant and I thank God now I have the sacrament of reconciliation. Can protestants have an act of perfect contrition in the moment of their deaths and be saved? Yeah, sure, but this act seems to be RARE. The contrition we make in the confessional is very often imperfect, but it's enough for us to be perfectly cleansed from sin. And Protestants have to ask God forgiveness for have been so anti-Catholic for their entire lives - which is often the case. So, I see they can have a shot, but I think the vast majority won't make it. And I say this being the only Catholic in my Protestant family. The thing I ask the most in my prayers is their conversion. I also pray a lot for my ancestors who had perished and might be in purgatory...
@catholicdoomer
@catholicdoomer 17 күн бұрын
I also think if Jesus decided to build His own Church upon the apostles, that means the is the safest way to be saved. It has to be the safest BY FAR. I also think those Churches who still have valid sacraments can provide a way that is safer than protestantism, but not as safe as Catholicism. Again, if Jesus thought it was important to give the keys to Saint Peter, it has to make some difference...
@catholicdoomer
@catholicdoomer 17 күн бұрын
Finally, protestants still have valid baptisms. The problem is to remain in state of grace for the rest of your life without sinning mortally even once. But that means their still have better chances than non-Christians, in my modest opinion.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 17 күн бұрын
Well put, yet so called, Bible believing Protestants disingenuously claim that confession is not biblical which it is Jn 20:23 They say that neither is purgatory in the bible which it is 2 Maccabees 12 36-49 and I Corinthians 3:11-15 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved 1 John 5 16-17 reference to deadly (mortal) sin & non deadly sin (venial) sin Luke 12 27-40 the four servants are treated differently, the faithful one gains Heaven, the second Hell & the other two, purgatory
@henrybenjaminstoneking238
@henrybenjaminstoneking238 16 күн бұрын
@catholicdoomer No Protestant can be saved, you need to learn the real Catholic Faith and depart from the novus ordo false Church These lies were made to appease Protestants (Vat2) and so this is now a Communist and Protestant false church inside Catholic Church properties So do not believe the soft lies, and stay with the hard truth of LORD JESUS I am glad you need confession and appear to have departed from the fallen protesters You are correct, protestants travel to the end of the Earth to try to convert Catholic people, and this is an evil work, and GOD finds this so disgusting I dont think we can imagine HIS ANGER I do not mean to cause you confusion about the Catholic Faith, but vatican 2 is not Catholic, as it is built on several heresies that already existed A real pope MAINTAINS and PROTECTS the Faith, and would never attempt what these false popes did with Vatican 2 Dogma that must be believed for YOU to be saved: Outside of the Roman Catholic Church, there is NO SALVATION If you do not believe this, then you are outside of the Body of Christ yourself I have relatives too, and they are all most likely damned, and there is nothing your prayers can do about it. We want to make it to Heaven ourselves and we cannot go back and relive the lives of our fallen relatives for them This is very common among Asians as well, to basically worship your ancestors, and this is to prefer them over GOD and TRUTH We can make it to Heaven if we desire it, and fight hard for it, otherwise we will be with our relatives in Hell, and who benefits from that? This was their choice to be damned as a protester of GODS Church; and they did not take their life seriously enough Sacraments given to False Catholics are as worthless as attending a protestant church, they are mere condemnation, and that is all they are I have fake Catholic relatives and also protester relatives, but I only have one real family The BODY OF CHRIST and this is who loves me, and this is who I am loyal to there is no such thing as GRACE coming to those outside of the BODY OF CHRIST because Grace only comes from GOD, the HOLY GHOST being inside your Soul Since your Baptism is one of the novus ordo, I would redo it, and only use the false Church for confession Do not bother attending Mass because the liturgy gives no Grace and their words are designed to lead you astray These tough times should be over soon, and you will be a real Catholic under a real Pope But a Baptism into the novus ordo is the same thing as a protestant baptism, it is NULL on its face A covenant between you and GOD cannot be built on ANY lies If you did not know they were lies, then GOD knows this But once you commit to the real Faith, then you should redo the Baptism and commit to following all the teachings of JESUS and the real Catholic Church You can have anybody Baptize you, and I would not recommend the liars inside the Church properties for this special event We can use them for confession merely because they occupy Church properties' and so we need to use our Church for this Since I have departed from the evil protestant communist novus ordo church, I have not mortally sinned anyway It is very frustrating to deal with these sick souls inside our Church, and so it tends to make one fall into despair, and this makes us fall into sin Work hard on the streets to fight against abortion, and spread your love for GOD among people with your good works this is living the Faith more than going to Church all the time anyway
@samuelotache9239
@samuelotache9239 16 күн бұрын
@@catholicdoomer you are right in everything you said but in reverse. Substitute Catholic for where you said Protestant and Protestant for where you said Catholic .
@coldforgedcowboy
@coldforgedcowboy 18 күн бұрын
@Catholic Answers you should have probably brought up Feeneyism when answering this question as it would have helped a lot.
@rschiwal
@rschiwal 17 күн бұрын
There is no salvation outside Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church is the bride of Christ with the fullness of salvation, but Jesus covered this topic repeatedly in his parables. There's the parable about the different servants getting different talents, and about the field workers working all different hours but getting the same pay in the end. As faithful Catholics, we are assured of our salvation, but we cannot expect a greater reward than others. To those who are given more, more is expected. In the parable about the talents, the faithful servant with the most return was given more responsibilities. In the parable of the unfaithful steward, the servants who abused his power was cut to pieces, the servants who offended the master but didn't know what his wishes were got off easier.
@christsavesreadromans1096
@christsavesreadromans1096 5 күн бұрын
There’s no salvation outside the church either.
@racksityentertainment
@racksityentertainment 11 күн бұрын
Am I the only one thinking this? Few humans with authority having the ability to canonize and call some chosen humans « saints » is opposed to the biblical revelation, since in the book, all brothers and sisters are saints. That’s why apostle Paul called members of the churches saints, it’s not a title for some exclusive people. It’s supposed to be the reality for all believers on the path of sanctification.
@staceywebster7765
@staceywebster7765 17 күн бұрын
Remember who the first church was, I hear people say your catholic not christian
@apologist1
@apologist1 9 күн бұрын
If one finds themselves in heaven, they will be Catholic, and it will have come through the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church Jesus setup for that very reason.
@dann285
@dann285 16 күн бұрын
Pope Boniface VIII's bull Unam sanctam of 1302 ] In it, declared, "We are compelled in virtue of our faith to believe and maintain that there is only one holy Catholic Church, (he means ROME) and that one is apostolic. This we firmly believe and profess without qualification. Outside THIS (he means ROME) Church there is no salvation and no remission of sins". The bull notably extends what had been ecclesiastical dictum into relations with temporal powers. ( Because the Pope is the king of the world) "We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff". Which is ABSURD. Ohh and WICKED. As far as Vatican 2, the 'one true" Church" has always spoken out both sides of her mouth for temporal and spiritual power and gain. Not to mention the laundry list of other contradictions that faithful Catholics both knowingly and unknowingly spin because Peter is the rock. Always goes back to the claimed authority of Rome. ALWAYS. Here is a question "5 For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you- 6 if a man is blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of [b]dissipation or insubordination. 7 For a [c]bishop must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, 8 but hospitable, a lover of what is good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled, 9 holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict." How many of the successors of Peter ( dear lord) were anything but these qualifications, yet they were the successor to Peter?? No, homosexuals , drunks, adulterers' fathering children with prostitutes', and murderous thugs who dont let their own family get in the way. dont qualify. Spin it as much as you want. "“The Church recognizes that in many ways she is linked with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety [e.g., Protestants] or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter [e.g., Orthodox].” And at the same time do not hold themselves subject to the ' Roman Pontiff" ??????? Say what?
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb 2 күн бұрын
ST. TERESA OF LISIEUX: “It is not because I have been preserved from serious sin that I lift up my heart to God in trust and love. I am certain that even if I had on my conscience every imaginable sin, I should lose nothing of my confidence, but would throw myself, my heart broken with sorrow, into the arms of my Savior.” ST. POPE JOHN PAUL II: : “Eternal damnation remains a possibility, but we are not granted, without special divine revelation, the knowledge of whether or which human beings are effectively involved in it. The thought of hell and even less the improper use of biblical images must not create anxiety or despair... The concept of hellfire, the fiery furnace and the unquenchable fire of Gehenna need to be interpreted as symbolic language... The risen Jesus has conquered Satan, giving us the Spirit of God who makes us cry, ‘Abba, Father!’” (Rm 8:15; Gal 5:6).
@andreysaiz8208
@andreysaiz8208 17 күн бұрын
St. Cyprian (d. 258), who explicitly stated that there is “no salvation outside the Church” (Epistle 72, #21). Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, Constitution 1, 1215, ex cathedra: “There is indeed one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which nobody at all is saved, in which Jesus Christ is both priest and sacrifice.”(Lateran IV, 1) In 1302 Pope Boniface VIII said: We declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff. (Unam Sanctam) Pope Clement V, Council of Vienne, Decree # 30, 1311‐1312, ex cathedra: “Since however there is for both regulars and seculars, for superiors and subjects, for exempt and non‐exempt, one universal Church, outside of which there is no salvation, for all of whom there is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism…” Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.” Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given 9 away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.” In 1442 the Council of Florence (1442) stated: It firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the catholic church, …, cannot share in eternal life… unless they are joined to the catholic church before the end of their lives. (Cum Cantate) Pope Pius IV, Council of Trent, “Iniunctum nobis,” Nov. 13, 1565, ex cathedra: “This true Catholic faith, outside of which no one can be saved… I now profess and truly hold…” Pope Benedict XIV, Nuper ad nos, March 16, 1743, Profession of Faith: “This faith of the Catholic Church, without which no one can be saved, and which of my own accord I now profess and truly hold…” Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos (# 13), Aug. 15, 1832: “With the admonition of the apostle that ‘there is one God, one faith, one baptism’ (Eph. 4:5) may those fear who contrive the notion that the safe harbor of salvation is open to persons of any religion whatever. They should consider the testimony of Christ Himself that ‘those who are not with Christ are against Him,’ (Lk. 11:23) and that they disperse unhappily who do not gather with Him. Therefore, ‘without a doubt, they will perish forever, unless they hold the Catholic faith whole and inviolate” (Athanasian Creed). Pope Pius IX In an allocution (address to an audience) on December 9th, 1854 he said: We must hold as of the faith, that out of the Apostolic Roman Church there is no salvation; that she is the only ark of safety, and whosoever is not in her perishes in the deluge; we must also, on the other hand, recognize with certainty that those who are invincible in ignorance of the true religion are not guilty for this in the eyes of the Lord. And who would presume to mark out the limits of this ignorance according to the character and diversity of peoples, countries, minds and the rest? Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council I, Session 2, Profession of Faith, 1870, ex cathedra: “This true Catholic faith, outside of which none can be saved, which I now freely profess and truly hold…” Vatican II said: This Sacred Council… teaches that the Church… is necessary for salvation… Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved. (Lumen Gentium, 14).
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 17 күн бұрын
Well stated! Modern people try too easily to deny the necessity for salvation of His One True Church, thus putting their salvation at risk. There is no such concept as once saved, always saved, a Protestant heresy!
@henrybenjaminstoneking238
@henrybenjaminstoneking238 16 күн бұрын
Vatican 2 is not a sacred council and you should know this Unfortunately, most the men quoted as popes have serious issues with their papacy and therefore are more than likely NULL as teachers We had a HUMANIST invasion that started very early on, and by the time of Jerome and Augustine, the Church was almost entirely in their feeble dirty worldly hands But we do not need them, because it is obvious from the facts First, you need the HOLY GHOST inside of your Soul to be saved Otherwise, your Soul is in a state of Death, and so how could you pass through judgment? Also, how could a man with demons inside his soul, like all pagans and protesters have-die and go to Heaven? Impossible "Unless you believe that I AM HE, you will die in your sins" LORD JESUS So there is no way you can get Absolution on this Earth outside the Catholic Church, so you will die in your mortal sins, and be condemned for them As the Word states so many times, you need to make deals with your adversary before it is too late or read the parable of the 10 virgins If you die outside of Grace, then you will be shut out So we have the Word of GOD to show us that we cannot be saved outside of the Roman Catholic Church But the novus ordo and Vatican 2 are protestant invasions of the real Catholic Church, so you need to sever yourself from these lost people and their lies and deceptions and live the real Faith on your own until we get a real pope in there to clean it up
@MarvelGamer2023
@MarvelGamer2023 16 күн бұрын
Well said
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb 12 күн бұрын
ST. TERESA BENEDICTA OF THE CROSS (EDITH STEIN): “It has always been far from me to think that God’s mercy allows itself to be circumscribed (limited) by the visible Church’s boundaries. God is Truth. All who seek truth seek God, whether this is clear to them or not.”
@andreysaiz8208
@andreysaiz8208 11 күн бұрын
@@Catholicity-uw2yb Hello, are you saying this statement or opinion supersedes the provided magisterial sources?
@mitchellscott1843
@mitchellscott1843 18 күн бұрын
With all due respect Trent really didn't answer the question as it pertains to Protestantism.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 18 күн бұрын
Knowingly rejecting His One True Church by whoever, puts one’s salvation at risk esp disobeying Jesus iro baptism Jn 3:5 & His Real True Presence Jn 6 53 which are necessary for salvation.
@SaintJoseph911
@SaintJoseph911 18 күн бұрын
Yeah he kinda talked around that one
@thomasbielinski
@thomasbielinski 18 күн бұрын
He did
@thomasbielinski
@thomasbielinski 18 күн бұрын
Minute 1:05
@brandonp2530
@brandonp2530 18 күн бұрын
He did answer the question
@quadrga
@quadrga 10 күн бұрын
Catholic church has not given clear direction on this. The comment section is all over the place. Catholics quote Catholic documents and Catholic statements like protestants quote scripture...and like Protestants, they don't agree about what they mean and provide their own interpretation of said quotes. Popes clearly do not agree on this issue. Recent Popes, who assumed the head of a church that no longer wields the sword and sways kings are far more irenic in their approach. When the church still wielded power over the nations the tone and interpretation of salvation was very different.
@JW_______
@JW_______ 17 күн бұрын
Many words, in this case, were used to not answer the question rather than to answer it.
@EA-lo1bi
@EA-lo1bi 16 күн бұрын
This title of the video is misleading because there is ONLY salvation IN Christ, not the church. “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭6‬:‭23‬ The word “through” in this passage is not in the Greek manuscripts, it’s the koine Greek word “en” which is defined as: in, on, at, by, with. If you just study scripture, these questions will be answered. The gospel during this dispensation is clearing laid out in 1 Cor. 15:1-4.
@stevecatlin5609
@stevecatlin5609 17 күн бұрын
depends how you define "church". Church as the People of God..... Catholics are incorporated, other Christians belong, others (non- Christians) are related (Lumen Gentium no 9.) to this Church as People of God.
@henrybenjaminstoneking238
@henrybenjaminstoneking238 16 күн бұрын
@catholicdoomer did Saint Paul die to give you an invisible Church or a visible one? are you calling Saint Paul a liar or an idiot for giving his life for you to have the Catholic Church? All of these denominations are protestant ones, so how could they be inside the Body of Christ? How can you be against something and inside of it at the same time? How could a pagan be inside the Body of Christ? That would mean that JESUS did not need to die for our sins, as we would have Grace as a pagan anyway Where is Saint Peter buried? Why did he give his life for you to have a Church if there is no physical church? Are you calling him an idiot? You quote the antiChrist Paul 4 over JESUS who died to give you HIS CHURCH? There are always false shepherds and you need to discern, currently you are at best another protestant inside the Vatican 2 sect unlawfully occupying the Catholic Church properties If you believe Satan and his minions over GOD, you will be lost "By their fruits you will know them"
@tombrown7654
@tombrown7654 11 күн бұрын
THANK GOD The ''Standard'' Isn't Idolatrous-Abomination > > > FROM HEAVEN - JOHN 3:3
@BillyJoeBob-hd9fm
@BillyJoeBob-hd9fm 12 күн бұрын
ST. TERESA BENEDICTA OF THE CROSS (EDITH STEIN): “It has always been far from me to think that God’s mercy allows itself to be circumscribed (limited) by the visible Church’s boundaries. God is Truth. All who seek truth seek God, whether this is clear to them or not.”
@in_defense_of_the_church
@in_defense_of_the_church 17 күн бұрын
I’ll start by admitting my ignorance in what the Church’s formal documents say about this and I’m willing to submit to what Holy Mother Church has decided about this but as for now in my ignorance I hold the thought that apologists and many Catholics are afraid to stand firm and draw a hard line on this topic. Yes, being charitable is a must but it’s like we try to blur the line so that others don’t get offended. Our Lord is not bound by an institution and He is not bound by the Sacraments but is He bound by His own words? I believe we hold to the truth that God does not contradict Himself. Yes as the parable of the workers teaches that He can do what He pleases with His money/salvation, God has also said things like Matthew 7:21 and Luke 6:46. Why did our Lord start an ecclesia if it wasn’t His will that all who believe should come into it as in John 17:21-23? Those Christian clubs may have bits and pieces of the truth but if I or any Catholic today left the Church to teach half truths and some errors She would excommunicate us not support the decision bc we still hold on to some truths. Why would it be any different for groups that broke of a few centuries ago and even more with groups breaking off even more recently. Islam in a vague sense does contain some truths but we don’t hold to the belief that whether a person is Christian or muslim makes no difference. Half truths and schisms are not God’s will per Scripture. Why share the faith and defend Holy Mother Church just to go back and tell those outside of the Church that being in or out isn’t that serious? We, as Catholics, don’t even believe in us having an infallible certitude of our own salvation and we let non Catholics believe that hey they may potentially, possibly, because God is so merciful, bc they hold to some truths, may find salvation in their rejection of the Church and Her doctrines and dogmas. Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus! Not because we think we are better than others but because it’s our baptismal obligation to share the truth so that those who hear it may accept it and who hears the words of the Apostles hears the Lord and the One who sent Him and those who reject the words of the Apostles reject our Lord and the One who sent Him. Our yes should be yes and our no should be no. “That which is over and above these, is of evil.” Matthew 5:37.
@mitchellosmer1293
@mitchellosmer1293 9 күн бұрын
FACTS: Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope. Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intecessor. Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead. Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship. Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest" Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins. Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church. >>>> CHRISTIAN The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one", >>> A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
@in_defense_of_the_church
@in_defense_of_the_church 9 күн бұрын
@@mitchellosmer1293 wow you really got us there! Solid arguments and you definitely know what you’re talking about 😂 You forgot two or three. Christ never taught that people were to read a Bible. Christ never taught His Apostles to write books for a future Bible. Christ never taught He was sending Ellen degeneres white to give further prophesies.
@vSwampFox
@vSwampFox 12 күн бұрын
No protestant can escape the condemnation of being outside the church. The very essence of Protestantism, is that you are aware of it. Therefore you fall outside the Grace argument. The select few, very narrow exceptions, don't apply to anyone who claims to be protestant, and denies the authority of the Church. Even through their own ignorance, this won't be excusable.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 11 күн бұрын
Wake up Protestants, your presumption of the assurance of salvation is both false & the sin of presumption Phil 2:12. No where in the bible is once saved always saved written! As many Protestants believe that baptism is optional, when Jesus says the opposite, how can you assume salvation? Likewise with Jn 6 53, His Real True Presence is essential for salvation Jn 6:53
@robertrazon8009
@robertrazon8009 17 күн бұрын
This is the statement from Fr. Joseph Iannuzzi that might also helpful in that question. Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus in Latin that was an old teaching and it's stated as follows in English, outside the church there was no salvation. Now back in the day when that was proclaimed, many misunderstood it, to mean outside of the Catholic institutional Church no one can be saved but the church never stated that it didn't define the church until recent years so it gave a statement under the inspiration of the holy spirit that was later explicated still under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, later the church would Define that statement as referring to all the baptized in Christ by Blood, Desire or Sacrament. We find this in Lumen gentium article 16 of the second Vatican Council that anyone can be saved provided they're baptized by Sacrament or desire or blood. You didn't hear this baptism of Desire or blood before the second Vatican Council in its explicit form but thanks to the Holy Spirit we now have a better understanding of what that statement now means. When it the church stated that outside the church there in no salvation it meant, that outside of the church through from which comes baptism no one can be saved. Now what is the church? all the baptized in Christ that's the church. it's not just the hierarchical Catholic Church rather it's all the baptized. If you are not a member of the body of Christ you're cut off from eternity so there's no salvation outside the church the mystical Body of Christ that's a fact, and to become a member of that mystical body you have to be baptized either by Sacrament or by desire or by Blood. In Regards to Baptism, historically, the Church has taught that the graces of baptism can be received not only through the administration of the sacrament itself (baptism of water) but also through the desire for the sacrament (baptism of desire) or through martyrdom for Christ (baptism of blood). Recent doctrinal development has made clear that it is possible for one to receive baptism of desire by an implicit desire. This is the principle that makes it possible for non-Christians to be saved. If they are genuinely committed to seeking and living by the truth, then they are implicitly committed to seeking Jesus Christ and living by his commands; they just don’t know that he is the Truth they’re seeking (cf. John 14:6).
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 17 күн бұрын
What about the necessity for salvation of receiving grace via His Real True Presence in the Eucharist Jn 6 53
@henrybenjaminstoneking238
@henrybenjaminstoneking238 16 күн бұрын
He who quotes Vat 2 is a liar This is from the father of all lies Satan Nobody I have ever met outside of the real Catholic Church has any interest in the Truth They choose the world over Truth I have been fighting for Truth inside the Catholic Church properties, and all I see are pagans of all stripes, Hindus, Ashkenazis, Buddhists, Satanists, Protestants, and all the other lost souls- fighting AGINST TRUTH and against a real Catholic Church, and against their own salvation, and against others being saved What great works these are and I am sure GOD is very impressed! There are no GOOD PEOPLE outside of the HOLY GHOST because, as LORD JESUS states :"Only GOD is good" and also "If you who are evil know how to give goof things, think how good GOD will be in giving gifts" So we need to understand that we are all evil without GOD in our soul, and therefore in a state of Death Baptism is important and needs to be done by those willing to fight for TRUTH, as the SPIRIT of GOD must be worshipped in "Spirit and Truth" If you are Baptized into the lies of Vatican 2, then you are mocking GOD by lying to HIS FACE, and your Baptism is Null (except as maybe a condemnation) This means that if you are missing some truth or clinging to lies, then you will not have the HOLY GHOST within your Soul, and you are therefore still in a state of Death and destruction There is only ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH It is a physical Church and a mystical BODY If you die without the HOLY GHOST inside of you, you will go to Hell with all the pagans If you die with the HOLY GHOST, then how could you not go to Heaven? You only get Graces from the HOLY GHOST being inside your Soul So you will die as just another EVIL BASTARD, and be condemned without the help of the HOLY GHOST Look around you, look at the fruits of Vat 2, and you should be ashamed for even mentioning it But you are still blind, and therefore "The blind leading the blind, both will fall into the Pit" LORD JESUS
@JesusRulez-l3j
@JesusRulez-l3j 11 күн бұрын
@@geoffjs And what about this: MATTHEW 25: 41 Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘You who are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels, 42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, ‘Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not take care of you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment but the righteous into eternal life.”
@soteriology400
@soteriology400 18 күн бұрын
John 3:8, the spirit goes wherever it pleases.
@masterchief8179
@masterchief8179 18 күн бұрын
That’s one of the few things you’ve said that is true, my friend. The Holy Spirit’s action is innefable: that’s EXACTLY the reason why elements of sanctification can be seen outside the visible boundaries of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. And through the oneness of baptism, we can even call members of heretical and schismatic communities brothers in Christ, even though there are imperfect levels of participation and unity, without entering in the discussion of personal levels of culpability in mortal sinning through obstinate heresy and schism, for instance. A good old Baptist lady who was born in a separated community surely has much less culpability than some who militate, filled with unconfessed hatred and ideological anti-Catholicism, against the Catholic Church online.
@br.m
@br.m 17 күн бұрын
@@masterchief8179 Bla bla bla. Jesus is the way. Not Roman Catholicism.
@masterchief8179
@masterchief8179 17 күн бұрын
@@br.m You are saying you follow Jesus your manner, not His. Your design, not His. Because Jesus didn’t handle Bibles to the Apostles and said “go to garages and megachurches teaching this book, making self-appointed leaders in the interest of the community at the exchange of a salary”: he founded a Church on the apostles’ fundament and chose one of them to be the rock upon which he would build it, name-changing this apostle’s name to Cephas (or “rock”), and He taught the gates of hell would never overcome it, and He said to the Church - the apostles and those who succeeded them, since they are not granted physical immortality - that she (= the church) should convert all nations, until the end of times, and baptize them in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. That’s it for me.
@br.m
@br.m 16 күн бұрын
@@masterchief8179 That's not true. You wrote lies to me. Someone lied to you and you believed them without investigating their lies. Jesus had the Old Testament. When Paul preached to the Bereans, what did they do? They checked all that Paul said against scripture... What scripture? See the first churches had the Bible. YOU are the ones appointing Peter as pope, in order to enable the papacy. Jesus did not make Peter pope over the others. If so then Paul should be highest rank, because Peter stood condemned before Paul. You really should read the Bible for yourself and see how much you've been led astray. Jesus said "you are brethren" and equals. Jesus did not exalt the Sons of Thunder. So why would he turn around and make himself a liar by exalting Peter???
@br.m
@br.m 16 күн бұрын
@@masterchief8179 By the way, Jesus led them on a detour to Caesarea Philippi to make that speech for a reason. He was preparing his disciples for his death. The "gates of hell" is what the pagans named the place at Caesarea Philippi. There is a huge rock and a big hold in the ground called "the gate to hell" and Jesus was saying the gate to hell will not stand up to him and his church. He was NOT saying any of the stuff you claim. He was NOT saying the door to hell is going to try to come off its hinges and chase the church and break the church down.
@southernlady1109
@southernlady1109 17 күн бұрын
Jesus said He’s the living bread, the bread He gives is His FLESH, unless we eat His Flesh & drink His Blood, WE WILL HAVE NO LIFE IN US.If we eat & drink of Him UNWORTHILY, WE WILL BE LIABLE & BRING A SENTENCE AGAINST OURSELVES FOR NOT DISCERNING IT TO BE THE BODY & BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST, OUR GOD & SAVIOR. Jn6:51-59, 1Cor11:23-29 The Transubstantiation occurs when the Priest blesses the bread and wine transforming into The Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ. There’s Eucharistic Miracles happening around the world. Pope Francis witnessed one when he was an Archbishop in Brazil. Scientific studies proved the Blessed Eucharist is LIVE human heart tissue from the left ventricle (responsible for pumping blood and life through our bodies).
@marteld2108
@marteld2108 17 күн бұрын
Christ established the Catholic Church for a reason…to lead souls to Heaven. Paraphrasing V2….Protestants can be saved if they are sincerely ignorant of the Catholic Faith. And I stress “IF.”
@henrybenjaminstoneking238
@henrybenjaminstoneking238 16 күн бұрын
This is a lie from Hell along with all the other lies of Vatican 2 Why would GOD save somebody who is fighting against the Church that JESUS died to give us? GOD has nothing but rage for these people, and it is their choice to be AGAINST GOD'S CHURCH Is masturbation not a mortal sin? Vat 2 says it is not Do Muslims worship the same god? If you do not believe the DOGMA "Salvation only comes through the Catholic Church" then you are no longer Catholic We are in the end times counter Church (Revelation 18), and this invasion started very early in Church history The Humanists, like Augustine, Jerome, Origen et al were in the Church in the 2-300's; and watering down the truth at that point So you always needed to discern, and until we have a lawful pope, you cannot trust these men, and this should be very obvious with Bergoglio in there now You would need to have the HOLY GHOST inside of your Soul at your death to be saved, and then you pass through judgment If you do not have the HOLY GHOST inside of you at your death, YOU WILL BE DAMNED The only exception would be those under the age of reason The Church and the Word of GOD is all over the world, and there are no excuses for any adult
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 16 күн бұрын
@@henrybenjaminstoneking238 Jesus founded His One True Church Mt 16 18-19 that became known as Catholic or Universal in 110 which codified your bible in 382. His Church is the fullness of Truth 1 Tim 3:15 & has existed for 2000 yrs, in spite of sinful men, proof of its divine origin No organisation, such as Protestantism can survive without hierarchy & a unifying authoritative interpreter, the fruits being confusion, division & scandal of 000’s of sects, resulting from personal interpretation, which is not of Jesus who willed unity Jn 17 11-21 No Protestant has ever been able to explain why personal interpretation, if guided by the Holy Spirit has resulted in 000’s sects proving that either the Holy Spirit is wrong or more likely, Protestantism! There are none so blind as those with a darkened intellect which the Holy Spirit obviously isn’t enlightening!
@diestrom.5880
@diestrom.5880 16 күн бұрын
‭Romans 1:16-17 LSB‬ [16] For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. [17] For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “But the righteous will live by faith.” Keep in mind that the protest is all about doctrinal development that you people are adding to the gospel, anathematizing believers of Christ that do not accept it. (Marian dogmas, papal infallibility, icon veneration, idulgences and purgatory and so on). Accursing people with a doctrine never once told by the Apostles. Where Paul said that those preach a new gospel either by them or an angel from heaven should the one be anathematized. And I don't know how do catholics define gospel. I believe it takes a book to define the Gospel for them. 🤦‍♂️
@Harbinger290
@Harbinger290 16 күн бұрын
I hope everybody who loves Catholicism will watch this documentary. It’s called (CODE OF SILENCE) it’s free on KZfaq! I pray you enjoy it!!
@antholianmartyr4860
@antholianmartyr4860 17 күн бұрын
Thank you, Trent! Can you please respond to sedevacantists Diamond brothers and their objections to you regarding this and other topics?
@j.knight9335
@j.knight9335 17 күн бұрын
He won't because he can't.
@JiII_S
@JiII_S 4 күн бұрын
Catholic Truth addressed the Dimond brothers. There's no need for every Catholic apologist to keep addressing those heretics. Just go look for the video...
@j.knight9335
@j.knight9335 4 күн бұрын
@@JiII_S "Catholic" Truth was refuted in a response video. Amazing how dishonest people are. You're too afraid to look at their materials for yourself.
@kyriakosaronis4872
@kyriakosaronis4872 13 күн бұрын
Absolutely there is no salvation outside of the Church BUT which Church? Jesu's Church not just any so call church. Jesus built his CHURCH: One Holy Catholic(not roman) And Apostolic Church. Theosis is the daily strife of a believer to get closer and closer to God. Salvation is not one thing and you are saved, it is a daily and life long process.
@DadoMac
@DadoMac 17 күн бұрын
Mark 9:38-41 - Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us. Sadly, they split because they are against His church. There was a joke among protestants that in heaven there's a place surrounded by very high walls. Inside according to them are saved Catholics who think that only they (Catholics) would go to heaven. They can not see the other saved denominations outside of the walls. On the Catholic perspective, the walls are to prevent the non-Catholics to realize what the REAL heaven is.
@philippechappuis8706
@philippechappuis8706 4 күн бұрын
The Catholic Church is not the universal Church Every true believers not matter what denominational background makes up the body of Christ which is the Church of our Lord Jesus Christ Being a catholic does not mean you are saved neither being a protestant Salvation is only in the Name Jesus Christ for He alone is the Way the Truth and the Life. Selah Shalom
@getrit3007
@getrit3007 17 күн бұрын
Hilarious!!! Evangelicalism vs Proselytization Definition of “proselyte”: a person who has converted from one opinion, religion, or party to another. Definition of “evangelical”: The term “evangelical” comes from the Greek word euangelion, meaning “the good news” or the “gospel.” Thus, the evangelical faith focuses on the “good news” of salvation brought to sinners by Jesus Christ. Disciples evangelize or spread the gospel. Pharisees proselytize or try to convince people to convert to their brand of religion. Evangelicalism is fueled by love for the salvation of the lost and obedience to the command of Jesus Christ to spread the Gospel. The act of proselytization, on the other hand, can be seen as nothing more than a superficial recruitment tactic reminiscent of the Pharisees. Pharisees, in today's context, are individuals who prioritize their religious brand of church over the proclamation of the message of the gospel of Christ. They take great pride in attracting converts from other faiths, viewing them as trophies of their success and proof they have the truth. However, these converts are never won through the method Jesus instituted - the gospel - but through a grand presentation of their church history, based many times on spurious spiritual experiences and historical grandizement meant to convince the ignorant and weak of God’s approval of them. Here’s how the Catholic Church attracts converts: To become Catholic, attend a mass and speak to a local parish about Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults (RCIA) classes. After 1 year of learning about Catholicism, you'll get baptized at Easter mass and be an official Catholic. Here’s how Jesus attracts converts: Jesus said, Mark 16:15 (KJV) "Go ye into all the world, and **preach the gospel** to every creature." Here’s how Paul attracts converts: 1 Corinthians 1:17 (KJV) "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to **preach the gospel**: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." Are you seeking converts to your religion or to Christ? God’s way is through preaching the gospel: Romans 1:16 (KJV) "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth!!!" Man’s way is through religion: Matthew 23:15, "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves." Which category do you fall into?
@henrybenjaminstoneking238
@henrybenjaminstoneking238 16 күн бұрын
SAD! You use a man, Saint Paul, who died to give us a Catholic Church, to promote the Satanic lies of protestantism instead Where is the body of Saint Peter buried? He also gave his life for you to have a physical Church this Catholic religion is the ONLY BODY OF CHRIST and all the men of the New Testament gave their lives for you to have it What is your problem tthen? why are you so biased against GODs Church? :like all protestants, you want to keep sinning and also glorify your own ego instead of serving GOD
@honahwikeepa2115
@honahwikeepa2115 8 күн бұрын
By ignoring the word of God.
@teddubois6055
@teddubois6055 13 күн бұрын
0:45 😂 -Side door Christian.
@cdmcintyre1854
@cdmcintyre1854 14 күн бұрын
Churches can have doctrine that say lots of things BUT God makes the rules NOT any denomination. I don’t believe most churches doctrine completely. Most churches have some things that I think are wrong. My opinion is the SDA denomination is the closest to total truth than any other, and my opinion is the Catholic is WAY OFF BASE!
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 11 күн бұрын
You couldn’t be more wrong, given that Jesus est His One True Church Mt 16 18-19 that has existed for 2000 yrs, in spite of sinful men, proof of its divine origin. Neither has she officially taught error during that time as she is protected by the Holy Spirit.
@cdmcintyre1854
@cdmcintyre1854 10 күн бұрын
@@geoffjs That’s your story and you’re sticking to it. SO I am also sticking to my opinion. USA is a nation of Freedom, SO there it is!
@Cammed5point3sierra
@Cammed5point3sierra 9 күн бұрын
He’s just yapping 😅
@wesleysimelane3423
@wesleysimelane3423 9 күн бұрын
Catholicism = Revelation 17
@kingbaldwiniv5409
@kingbaldwiniv5409 15 күн бұрын
That response did not answer the core of the question, although my fellow ASU alumnus did make a great point about individuals having valid sacraments, therefore receiving sanctifying grace. You can't cite V2 as some sort of consequential piece of evidence when it made no extraordinary magisterial pronouncement and only had the authority to double-down on something previously established. It not logical.
@pierreschiffer3180
@pierreschiffer3180 17 күн бұрын
Great job at utterly nullifying an established dogma of the Holy Church, buddy! For someone searching for the reason for the Church dying in our time: look no further.
@analog_joe
@analog_joe 17 күн бұрын
To quote Katy Perry: "You are hot then you are cold, you are yes then you are no...."
@markelmore66
@markelmore66 17 күн бұрын
John 14:6. Romans 10:13. Ephesians 2:8-9. Romans 10: 9-10. Funny I don’t see “Catholic Church” or any church in those verses… but hey! I guess you Catholics have the monopoly on God so I guess it’s the Hell Express for me…. How stupid of me to trust Jesus and take him at his word…
@andresgomez4216
@andresgomez4216 13 күн бұрын
Trent horn is a clown tbh
@jefferymartenson2633
@jefferymartenson2633 17 күн бұрын
Lol no salvation outside the church turns into “salvation sometimes outside the church” Weak vatican 2 rubbish.
@markgraham2312
@markgraham2312 17 күн бұрын
Trent Horn is very well informed and his scope reaches far. The Catholic Church since Vatican II no longer states outside the Church there is no salvation. It is quite possible for a non-believer to be freely saying yes to God’s self-communication in an implicit way even though the person concerned might think and say that he does not believe in God or in Jesus Christ. A Marxist woman might reject Christian faith as an opiate, yet in her faithful commitment to the poor of history, there would exist a fundamental yes to the mystery at the heart of life. A tribal man may never have come across the Gospel in any meaningful way, but in his love and respect for his traditional ritual, there would be an implicit and salvific faith. Karl Rahner, the greatest theologian of the 20th Century, describes this situation as that of the “anonymous Christian.” It is possible for a person to have an implicit saving faith and yet not be a Christian at the level of explicit concepts and language. The concept of the “anonymous Christian” has been criticized for various reasons. Some think it removes the motivation for missionary work. This objection ignores the fact that implicit faith, while it is salvific, still needs to reach its goal which is explicit faith in the liberating good news of Jesus Christ. Others say that the language “anonymous Christian” is self-contradictory, others still that it is a patronizing expression to use of those who freely choose not to be institutional Christians. It is important to remember, in connection with this last point, that this theology is meant to help Christians account for the salvation of others from within their own framework. While the terminology may be open to criticism, Rahner’s basic theological position is well justified. He has argued for a massive shift in Christian thinking from a pessimistic stance with regard to salvation of those outside the Church (“outside the Church no salvation”). Rahner’s positional is validated in the documents of Vatican II, where it is clearly and unambiguously taught that God’s saving grace is not limited to the confines of the visible Church, but reaches out to all men and women (Lumen Gentium, 16; Gaudium et Spes, 22; Ad Gentes, 7; Nostra Aetate, 1). With Vatican II the optimistic view of Karl Rahner has become clearly a matter of Catholic doctrine. In Gaudium et Spes it is written: All this holds true not only for Christians, but for all men of good will in whose hearts grace works in an unseen way. (31) For, since Christ died for all men,(32) and since the ultimate vocation of man is in fact one, and divine, we ought to believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner known only to God offers to every man the possibility of being associated with this paschal mystery.
@CanditoTrainingHQ
@CanditoTrainingHQ 17 күн бұрын
Catholic Dogma by definition never can be contradicted in the future. To say "since Vatican II no longer states outside the Church there is no salvation" is false, as development of doctrine isn't the same thing as no longer stating a dogma. It just adds detail to what constitutes salvation within the church, as you explained accurately. It may seem like semantics, but it's very important to keep the principle clear. It's also important to emphasize that your atheist marxist example would be incredibly unlikely to be saved, especially if explicitly rejecting Christianity as an opiate to the masses (active opposition rather than ignorance) while being educated on God/Jesus which increases the burden (higher knowledge = higher burden due to consenting to repeated mortal sin). I'm sure you know this as well, but also important to emphasize communism has been repeatedly rebuked by the church even if one already accepts Jesus. There is no implication from being a marxist that someone cares about the poor. Often times its the opposite. I know you mentioned simply the possibility, so nothing technically wrong. Given the totality of church and Biblical teaching, some things are possible and very very close to 0 still. V2 doesn't take precedence due to recency, all councils are true fully. Only God knows with 100% certainty anyways.
@markgraham2312
@markgraham2312 17 күн бұрын
​@@CanditoTrainingHQ "To say "since Vatican II no longer states outside the Church there is no salvation" is false, " is false. Rahner’s positional is validated in the documents of Vatican II, where it is clearly and unambiguously taught that God’s saving grace is not limited to the confines of the visible Church, but reaches out to all men and women (Lumen Gentium, 16; Gaudium et Spes, 22; Ad Gentes, 7; Nostra Aetate, 1). With Vatican II the optimistic view of Karl Rahner has become clearly a matter of Catholic doctrine. So you are wrong. Here's some of the text: All this holds true not only for Christians, but for all men of good will in whose hearts grace works in an unseen way.(31) For, since Christ died for all men,(32) and since the ultimate vocation of man is in fact one, and divine, we ought to believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner known only to God offers to every man the possibility of being associated with this paschal mystery. Catholic teaching was changed. Pius XII condemned the statement: "Outside the Church, there is no salvation," and so do the documents of Vatican II, which I have read. Many of the Church's teachings have changed: toleration of slavery, opposition to democracy, freedom of speech, and freedom of the press. Toleration of polygamy is repudiated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which I have read. "It may seem like semantics, but it's very important to keep the principle clear," you are wrong. You worship the Catholic Church as God, which it is not, has never been and never will be. "It's also important to emphasize that your atheist Marxist example would be incredibly unlikely to be saved," wrong. You don't get to decide who is saved, God does. Read: 1Cor 4:4. It is God alone who judges, not CanditoTrainingHQ. "if explicitly rejecting Christianity as an opiate to the masses (active opposition rather than ignorance) while being educated on God/Jesus which increases the burden (higher knowledge = higher burden due to consenting to repeated mortal sin)," -- mumbo jumbo! I never stated anything about communism. " There is no implication from being a Marxist that someone cares about the poor. Often times its the opposite. " -- that again is not what I wrote. How do you calculate probabilities? Do you have an advanced degree in statistics? "all councils are true fully. " -- false. Have you read the decrees of the Ecumenical Councils? I have. Some are abhorrent. Your view is very narrow. There are approximately 100 billion (100 x 10^9) stars in the Milky Way galaxy. Approximately 1/2 the stars have planets and the average number of planets orbiting a star are two. If the probability of developing life on the order of human beings is 1/50,000 then there are approximately: 100 x 10^9 x 1/2 x 2 x 1/50,000 = 2 million planets in our galaxy with life on the order of human beings. How will they ever know anything about Jesus Christ? How? Then take into account that there are about 200 billion (200 x 10^9) galaxies in the universe, which would yield: 200 x 10^9 galaxies x 2 million planets with life on the order of human beings = 400 quadrillion planets (400 x 10^12) with people on the order of human beings living on them. How is the Church going to get to them? Ever? Clearly, outside the Church there is salvation.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 17 күн бұрын
I disagree that Karl Rayner was the best theologian of the 20th century. He was too much of a modernist & was not in the same league as Cardinal Ratzinger who, as a mystic, was light years ahead of Rayner!
@markgraham2312
@markgraham2312 17 күн бұрын
@@geoffjs You are wrong. Ratzinger was an incompetent theologian who believed in halleluiah and ignorance here we come. Oh, it's Rahner, not Rayner. Too much of a modernist? What does that even mean? A theologian has to deal with the time in which he lives and the issues of the day. Ratzinger was not a mystic. Rahner was a mystic. Do you even know what a mystic is? Ratzinger was a conservative fundamentalist, obsessed with sin. Not that everything he said was wrong. But he turned a blind eye to the sex abuse scandal in America and stated it was a uniquely American phenomenon. A completely untrue statement. And I stated that Karl Rahner was the greatest (not best) theologian of the 20th century.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 16 күн бұрын
@@markgraham2312You have the right to be wrong! Benedict will be canonised whereas Rahner won’t be canonised!
@bmike410
@bmike410 17 күн бұрын
Sola Catholica
@TimSpangler-rd6vs
@TimSpangler-rd6vs 17 күн бұрын
'More perfect or less perfect". You do realize this is impossible right?
@br.m
@br.m 17 күн бұрын
This is Catholic Answers. Try Lutheran Answers, they will be right about most things
@enderwiggen3638
@enderwiggen3638 17 күн бұрын
When it comes to your obedience to God, you are not perfect. So it’s a spectrum … some people are more obedient to God as are churches. The less perfect is a acknowledgment that the other churches do not practice all that was taught but practice some
@TimSpangler-rd6vs
@TimSpangler-rd6vs 17 күн бұрын
@@enderwiggen3638 "He has perfected forever those being sanctified"
@enderwiggen3638
@enderwiggen3638 17 күн бұрын
@@TimSpangler-rd6vs so you claim to be perfect when Christ himself said there is no good except God? This is why protes get so much wrong about their position with God
@MichaelAChristian1
@MichaelAChristian1 17 күн бұрын
​@@enderwiggen3638He paraphrased scripture. None good but God. This corruptible puts on incorruptible. Jesus Christ has perfected us by one offering. No way to get around perfect and claim more imperfect things needed. That's the point being made.
@mikewilliams6025
@mikewilliams6025 18 күн бұрын
I follow Jesus Christ and His one church, which by His mercy includes Catholics and Protestants, Orthodox and Pentecostals. All of these groups have drawn lines too narrow in some aspects and too broad in others. I praise Him that neither Trent, the Pope, Joel Olsteen, nor I, nor any committee, council, or creed are the ultimate adjudicator of the fold of God but our Lord. See you all in heaven.
@hacker4chn841
@hacker4chn841 18 күн бұрын
They all make competing claims about who Christ is and what means Christ provided for our salvation. Christ is the Truth and prayed that all his followers be one "as [he] and the father are one". There can only be one truth, and therefore one church.
@joeterp5615
@joeterp5615 18 күн бұрын
How do you know the churches/denominations you mentioned are part of His one church? And how do you know what lines are too broad or too narrow?
@TimSpangler-rd6vs
@TimSpangler-rd6vs 17 күн бұрын
@@hacker4chn841 Jesus is the WAY. Not Catholicism or my church
@TimSpangler-rd6vs
@TimSpangler-rd6vs 17 күн бұрын
@@joeterp5615 It's just silly wordiness
@br.m
@br.m 17 күн бұрын
Not true. Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Pentecostals and most "protestants" are outside. Not inside. They are outside, along with Charismatics, Mormons, Adventists, Muslims... They are all outside, gone astray, taken captive by empty philosophy and tradition.
@user-fi1pe4dg3u
@user-fi1pe4dg3u 17 күн бұрын
They can’t say it because it’s not true. Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Jesus. Not the catholic religion.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 17 күн бұрын
Yes, but Jesus did say that baptism is necessary for salvation Jn 3:5, likewise with His Literal Real True Presence in the Eucharist Jn 6:53
@henrybenjaminstoneking238
@henrybenjaminstoneking238 16 күн бұрын
The Body of Christ is what you are baptized into- and so your protestant Baptism, like the false Catholic Vatican 2 Baptism, is completely Null, and an abomination in GODs Face JESUS stated, "You are Peter, the Rock, and I will build my Church on you. and the gates of Hell will not prevail" What are you protestants missing with this very easy message from LORD JESUS? You prefer to sin boldly and lead others Souls to Hell under the guise that you are a Christian, which is a lie There is only one Christian Church; and if you die outside of this physical Church, and the mystical BODY of CHRST, you have no HOLY GHOST, and you will perish forever with all the pagans go see where Saint Peter is buried and come back and talk more nonsense Peter gave his life for you to be saved, have a physical Church, and you are choosing the lies of Satan instead
@HaleStorm49
@HaleStorm49 17 күн бұрын
For a long time....Fear and coercion were a vital component of religious authority. It doesnt work anymore and the math never did.
@henrybenjaminstoneking238
@henrybenjaminstoneking238 16 күн бұрын
Really? why does Satan always try to soften the Truth that JESUS gave us then? Youi trust Satan more than JESUS? "Life and death are before you, stretch out your hand to the one you prefer" The Catholic Church thrives on TRUTH, as this is what makes a man Spiritual "GOD must be worshipped in SPIRIT and TRUTH" JESUS what Math are you talking about? The almost 100% of souls who go straight to Hell after their death, even after JESUS did everything possible for them to be saved? Softies have always invaded the Catholic Church and tried to make Catholics weak and pagan, and that is what we have today. So you are lost in blindness and choosing lies and sin over TRUTH and you will be condemned for it
@robinconnelly6079
@robinconnelly6079 17 күн бұрын
Not a bad answer (as a protestant). Sounds like I'm going to heaven (that will be nice). I can see you are struggling with the question, and that's cool. You have a heart. Some people in the comments are not so cool. The parable of the sheep and the goats is all we need to know the truth. Theres no mention here of papal authority or anything like that, no sacraments, nothing. But the Catholics will be happy to see that its kinda works-based. Here's a thought. Do you really think that God was stupid enough to make salvation so complicated that you have to tick all these boxes, mass, baptism, confession, being a member of a Catholic church, accepting the Popes authority and on and on... to be saved? I mean, I even heard one Catholic commentator say that if you dont believe the doctrine that the Virgin Mary was taken up bodily into heaven, you're going to hell. I mean... Huh? No. The sheep and the goats embodies so much of what Christianity really is. It's actually really deep. It's talking about TRANSFORMED PEOPLE. People who's hearts of stone were replaced by hearts of flesh. They "had love" in the words of Paul. The goats didn't. Many of them were religious but, like the pharasees, they didn't get it. Its such a simple story. "Jesus died on the cross to save me from my sins". Even a child can understand it. And that little story and having faith in it does something amazing. It opens the door to the Holy Spirit and he does a miraculous work in the soul of the believer. That's the key to the transformation. Popes, authority, dogmas... All that stuff... how is a child or perhaps a low-IQ person expected to understand all that? But the simple story of the Gospel... Thats all we need. Jesus comes in. Jesus changes the heart. Even a child can understand repentance and live it out and be a child of God. And the Bible says all of this. Theres nothing I have said here that's not biblical and theologically solid. I don't even like the word "Protestant". That term is ancient history. For the time of Luther. But the more I listen to these Catholic videos, the more concerned I become and the more Protestant I feel I need to be.
@bibleman8010
@bibleman8010 17 күн бұрын
why did Christ make sacraments then for you to brake the and claim your saved😁😁
@carakerr4081
@carakerr4081 17 күн бұрын
I agree! As a Catholic Christian God looks at the heart ❤. God bless you ❤
@carakerr4081
@carakerr4081 17 күн бұрын
With that said as a former non Catholic Protestant I believe the fullness of the faith lies in the one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. The Catholic Church is amazing! Highly recommend practicing Christianity within the Catholic Church it’s wonderful! ❤
@thailorconley6933
@thailorconley6933 17 күн бұрын
Thank you for your kindness. As a protestant, I may not agree with some Catholic practices, but I have never doubted that Catholics are real Christians who love And follow Jesus with all their hearts. I also really admire the discipline and love for Christian history that so many of my Catholic brothers and sisters hold. God bless you, I can't wait to meet you in Heaven ❤.
@agnesbarber4035
@agnesbarber4035 17 күн бұрын
That is the beauty of the Catholic Church. You can believe in Jesus and the church he established and we should all trust him at that level of simplicity. For those who are more intellectually able, there are many depths that one can learn about in the Catholic faith. But ultimately it comes down to believing in Jesus and his mercy as we are all sinners.
@williamgunn3853
@williamgunn3853 17 күн бұрын
Use Scripture challenge: Impossible
@Sixpenny2480
@Sixpenny2480 17 күн бұрын
Its all throughout scripture? You can only be saved by Christ. If you dont follow the doctrines of Christ you have no God 2 john 1 9. If the Catholic church is the church Christ founded then what does it mean to not be part of it?
@williamgunn3853
@williamgunn3853 17 күн бұрын
@@Sixpenny2480 Again, use scripture instead of jumping to conclusions. "It's all throughout scripture" yet you can't provide any references (That would be known in the world of debate and logical fallacies as a hasty generalization). You're landing on the assumption that Christ founded the Roman Catholic Church despite their egregious doctrine and perversion of the unmerited gospel of faith and grace. (Go ahead and pull James 2 out of context (disregarding verse 10) even though in the apostolic and infallible witness of scripture, James would not contradict Paul on Justification and is speaking about demonstration, not about reconciliation to God). Salvation is by grace, through faith, in Christ, according to scripture, to the Glory of God. I'll insert some helpful verses (the full counsel of scripture is typically helpful to learn and study before attempting to correct and make claims without any evidence). (Titus 3v5, Eph 2vv1-10, 1 Pet 1vv18-19, 1 Tim 2v5, 1 John 2vv1-2, Heb 8vv1-7, Rom 3vv22-25, John 19v30, Heb 10v14, Heb 7v27, Acts 4v12, John 14v6, 1 Cor 15vv1-4, 27-28, Eph 1vv20-22, Rom 1vv16-17, Gal 1v9, Rom 10v9, 3vv21-26, 11v6) to list a few. I would suggest you take a peek at these verses and allow the Holy Spirit to remove your self-righteousness and pharisaical spirit. You must be born again.
@Sixpenny2480
@Sixpenny2480 17 күн бұрын
@williamgunn3853 You should google who started the Roman Catholic church. We can even see the book of Romans was written to the church of Rome. Can you name one earlier church? Surrounding faith alone. I'm assuming you mean sola fide. John Calvin said faith alone saves but faith is never alone. One of the reformers himself. As you've already mentioned James 2 then you would know that the only place in which faith alone appears is James 2 24. None of the other verses say faith alone. You can even see that faith is never alone. It's actually from your own interpretation you pit James and Paul against each other. You would also pit John 15 against Paul ad well. Surrounding interpretation of scripture. It is not for personal interpretation 2 Peter 1 20. You should rely upon the church Matt 18 17, 1 Tim 3 15, You should also not reject the apostolic authority Luke 10 16, Matt 18 etc. So you have multiple problems here. If Christ founded the Catholic church you are against his doctrines. For my first piece of evidence I will use Romans 1 7 and I will also go to the early christians. Ignatius of Antioch was a disciple to John the Revelator and Peter. He stated this "Wherever Jesus Christ is there is the Catholic church".
@antoniolinhares7871
@antoniolinhares7871 17 күн бұрын
how can Catholic church be saved when they go by traditions and not by Scripture alone
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 16 күн бұрын
Because sola Scriptura is not biblical & Protestants don’t receive His grace via His Real True Presence in the Eucharist which is necessary for salvation Jn 6:53
@Dee-nonamnamrson8718
@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 15 күн бұрын
How can they say that, wspecially when the orthodox church preceded Roman Catholics.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 15 күн бұрын
Wrong, they split from the CC in 1054!
@user-uu8bs8tg1k
@user-uu8bs8tg1k 15 күн бұрын
I was never saved in a catholic church.. i will not live my life filtered through a corrupt church that teaches mary worship or interssion. This is blasphemy. Or purgatory with is a lie from hell itself.
@JesusRulez-l3j
@JesusRulez-l3j 11 күн бұрын
The pope is God! POPE BONIFACE VIII: “We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. WHAT THEREFORE CAN YOU MAKE OF ME BUT GOD?”
@macdan22
@macdan22 17 күн бұрын
No salvation outside the church is just another lie told, just like the immaculate conception, just like papal infallibility and unjudgable. Imagine putting limits on Gods ability to save. The pride and arrogance of it is appalling.
@danielcigolea7221
@danielcigolea7221 17 күн бұрын
Well, I think you are way too against the Catholic religion that you reject even the partly-good things they say. Let me explain: everyone that belongs to God is saved, and they form the Church; no one else is saved. So, it is true there is no salvation for those outside the Church. Note that I did not use the word 'Catholic' in my explanation because it is not needed.
@bibleman8010
@bibleman8010 17 күн бұрын
nothing like naming it and claiming it right you Fundamentalists can't help it they believe the earth is really flat. They are the only Christians in the world who believe they can committ 10 ax murders a day and still get a one way all expense paid trip to heaven; cuz that's what pastor Dodo tells them.🤢🤢
@macdan22
@macdan22 17 күн бұрын
Quite an assumption, seeing I am Catholic. Even in your explanation you are doing what those who push these lies do. They twist, bend and insert to make what they are pushing more easy to swallow. They aren't just saying "those who belong to God" For the record, every single human being from Adam to the final day belongs to God but not everyone will be saved. They say no salvation outside the Catholic Church, just how some Eastern Orthodox says there is no salvation outside of their church (I call them out on that nonsense too).
@danielcigolea7221
@danielcigolea7221 17 күн бұрын
@@macdan22 OK, tell me what did I bend, twist, insert to get to the conclusion I presented. Call me on my nonsense specifically, don't write a novel without saying anything meaningful.
@macdan22
@macdan22 17 күн бұрын
I guess maybe work on your reading comprehension. I already did that. Twice in 3 lines worth of text. Hardly a novel but let me bullet point it for you to make it easier. "I think you are way to against the catholic religion,..." - I told you that was quite the assumption seeing I am Cathholic. "everyone that belongs to God is saved..." - I said "For the record every single human being from Adam to the final day belongs to God but not everyone will be saved."
@andrewlailvaux1571
@andrewlailvaux1571 16 күн бұрын
Just another false catholic teaching can add it to purgatory, praying to Mary and the saints and needing to be purified before entering Heaven all completely unbiblical.
@henrybenjaminstoneking238
@henrybenjaminstoneking238 16 күн бұрын
The Bible is from the Catholic Church so maybe you are the one who is unbiblical
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 16 күн бұрын
It is biblical to pray for intercession Purgatory The concept of Purgatory does exist in Scripture which is very clear when it says, “But nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]” (Rev. 21:27). Hab. 1:13 says, “You [God]… are of purer eyes than to behold evil and cannot look on wrong…” How many of us will be perfectly sanctified at the time of our deaths? I dare say most of us will be in need of further purification in order to enter the gates of heaven after we die, if, please God, we die in a state of grace. Purgatory can be supported by II Maccabees 12:39-46, we discover Judas Maccabeus and members of his Jewish military forces collecting the bodies of some fallen comrades who had been killed in battle. When they discovered these men were carrying “sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear” (vs. 40), Judas and his companions discerned they had died as a punishment for sin. Therefore, Judas and his men “turned to prayer beseeching that the sin which had been committed might be wholly blotted out… He also took up a collection… and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably… Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.” This may be why Luther removed Macabees from his bible & was tempted to do the same with the book of James Luke 12 35-48 servants rewarded/punished in varying ways For some Protestants to say that all sin is sin and to not differentiate between mortal sin like adultery and venial sin like stealing a dollar is illogical & a poor understanding
@andrewlailvaux1571
@andrewlailvaux1571 16 күн бұрын
@@geoffjs Not to people who are dead lol that's expressly forbidden and before you try tell me the saints are alive in Heaven i'll just correct you in advance. Everyone who has lived their life on Earth and died is considered dead Biblically. Ever read the verse that says "The dead IN Christ will rise first" Trying to communicate with the deadis necromancy in reality.
@andrewlailvaux1571
@andrewlailvaux1571 16 күн бұрын
@@geoffjs and we do not need to be purified as we are presented blameless. Jude 1:24-25 English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy, to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. " 21Once you were alienated from God and were hostile in your minds because of your evil deeds. 22But now He has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy, unblemished, and blameless in His presence - 23if indeed you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope of the gospel you heard," So whats the condition,continue in the faith.Purgatory is Catholic fiction.
@geoffjs
@geoffjs 16 күн бұрын
@@andrewlailvaux1571 I never said pray TO the dead but FOR the dead ie prayers of intercession which are biblical, pls try to be fair minded! 1 Tim 2 1-5 I urge you, first of all, to pray for all people. Rom 8 35-39 Death cannot separate Mk 12 26-27 God of the living Jas 5 16-18 Prayer of a good man Rom 12:5 Communion of saints Rev 5:8 Purgatory The concept of Purgatory does exist in Scripture which is very clear when it says, “But nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]” (Rev. 21:27). Hab. 1:13 says, “You [God]… are of purer eyes than to behold evil and cannot look on wrong…” How many of us will be perfectly sanctified at the time of our deaths? I dare say most of us will be in need of further purification in order to enter the gates of heaven after we die, if, please God, we die in a state of grace. Purgatory can be supported by II Maccabees 12:39-46, we discover Judas Maccabeus and members of his Jewish military forces collecting the bodies of some fallen comrades who had been killed in battle. When they discovered these men were carrying “sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear” (vs. 40), Judas and his companions discerned they had died as a punishment for sin. Therefore, Judas and his men “turned to prayer beseeching that the sin which had been committed might be wholly blotted out… He also took up a collection… and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably… Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.” This may be why Luther removed Macabees from his bible & was tempted to do the same with the book of James Luke 12 35-48 servants rewarded/punished in varying ways For some Protestants to say that all sin is sin and to not differentiate between mortal sin like adultery and venial sin like stealing a dollar is illogical & a poor understanding
@stephenbailey9969
@stephenbailey9969 17 күн бұрын
Church (Greek, ekklesia=assembly of people) The people who belong to Jesus are his church. The denominations are historical and cultural artifacts of this age. When Christ returns in glory, and this age is over, all will be one and the artifacts forgotten. To recognize this is to listen to the Spirit's call today: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, free nor enslaved. All are one in Christ." So, what is to be done? "Love one another as I have loved you."
@bibleman8010
@bibleman8010 17 күн бұрын
What Holy Scripture has said Christ's Church would be: How Christ's Church has conformed to Holy Scripture: It will be founded by GOD: Psalms 127:1, Matthew 16:18 It was founded by GOD. It will be highly visible: Isaiah 2:2, Matthew 5:14 It is highly visible. It will have the authority: Matthew 18:15-18, John 20:21-22 It has the authority given to it by Jesus Christ. It will have a Father Figure: Isaiah 22:20-25 It has a Father Figure, as GOD always had for His people. It will be a Theocracy and not a Democracy: Eph 5:23-24 It is a Theocracy. It is governed from the top down. The blueprint for it is described in the book of Acts. It is blueprinted in the book of Acts. It will have priests, deacons, Bishops: Acts 6:1-6,14:22,20:28 It always has had priests, deacons, and Bishops. It will have Apostolic Succession: Psalm 109:8, Acts 1:20-26 It has Apostolic Succession. It will offer sacrifice every day in every place: Malachi 1:11 It does offer sacrifice every day in every place. It will be guided by the Holy Spirit: John 14:16-17, 16:12-13 It is guided by the Holy Spirit: Acts 15:28, Rev 2:7 Truths of GOD to be revealed to it over time: John 16:12-13 Truths of GOD have been revealed to it over time: Eph 3:10 It will be the Pillar and Foundation of Truth: 1Timothy 3:15 It is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth. It will be the guardian of truth: 2Timothy 1:13-14 It has been the guardian of truth for almost 2000 years. It will uphold Apostolic Tradition: 2Thessalonians 2:15 It upholds Apostolic Tradition. It will have Church councils: Proverbs 11:14, Acts 15:1-29 It holds periodic Church councils: Acts 15:1-29 It will be attacked from the inside: John 6:70 It has been attacked from the inside. It will be attacked from the outside: Matthew 5:10-12, 10:22 It has been attacked from the outside. All who fight against it shall be confounded: Isaiah 41:11 37,000+ Protestant sects is proof that they are confounded. It will be found in every century: Ephesians 3:21 It is found in every century from the day Christ founded it. It will last forever: Isa 41:10-11, 54:17, 59:21, Matt 28:20 It is still with us today from the day in which He founded it. There is only one Church in the entire world which matches all of the Scriptural requirements as listed above. Can your sect match even one of those requirements? That's very simplistic. In my view, to believe in Jesus is to believe He existed, He's the Son of God and God in the flesh, never sinned, is our only savior and He did and say things in truth out of LOVE, NECESSITY AND with a PURPOSE. That said, we have to look closely to his deeds, particularly about establishing a Church. Why did He instituted such a thing? What was the necessity for that and the purpose? So that we don't ever loose sight of his true teachings. And what did His Church taught? Well, all we have to do is analyse all the primitive documents from the first centuries and come to the conclusion what Church today teaches the same things as the early church (and there's only one that corresponds: the Catholic Church). In conclusion: to believe in Christ is to believe and hold fast to His Church. To believe in Christ and reject His established Church is a dichotomy/contradiction. Even Christ identifies Himself with his Church (Acts 9:4; 22:7; Lk 10:16; 1Tim.3:15)
@stephenbailey9969
@stephenbailey9969 17 күн бұрын
@@bibleman8010 The Church is the people. who belong to the Lord Jesus. Denominations are historical and cultural artifacts. They are part of this age. In the age to come, there will just be God and people.
@bibleman8010
@bibleman8010 17 күн бұрын
@@stephenbailey9969 guess your against what scripture says typical servant of Satan
@bibleman8010
@bibleman8010 17 күн бұрын
@@stephenbailey9969 guess your against what scripture says typical servant of Satan "I write these things to thee hoping to come to thee shortly, but in order that thou mayest know, if I am delayed, how to conduct thyself in the house of GOD, which is the Church of the Living GOD, the pillar and mainstay of the truth." 1Tim 3:14-15
@stephenbailey9969
@stephenbailey9969 17 күн бұрын
@@bibleman8010 'Church' is the English translation of the Greek ekklesia, which means "assembly of people". The Church is all those who belong to Christ. Denominations are cultural and historical artifacts, useful tools which the Lord uses to take his message to the world. They are the gift wrapping, at times mangled and muddied by the acts of fallible men. But the Lord Jesus is the eternal gift. We are one in him.
@KFish-bw1om
@KFish-bw1om 17 күн бұрын
That's the corner they've painted themselves into. When you make the Pope your god. Then you have no choice but to say that. Any Roman Catholics who are saved, are saved in spite of, not because of, the teachings of the Roman Catholic church. That's the really sad thing about it.
@Sixpenny2480
@Sixpenny2480 17 күн бұрын
No one makes the pope God so thats an immediate lie. However the pope is a successor of Saint Peter whom Christ gave authority too. Matt 16 18 to 19, Luke 22 32 etc. This was done by the laying of hands as Paul did to Timothy. Your denial of him is as a denial of the apostles Luke 10 16. The Roman Catholic church was there from the beginning. The church of Rome is in scripture. Ignatius the disciple of John the revelator and Peter tells us " Wherever Jesus Christ is there is the Catholic church". Hope this cleared up some issues. God bless
@Justyouraverageguy172
@Justyouraverageguy172 17 күн бұрын
That’s just the straw man propaganda you have been fed all your life and didn’t come to on your own. Matthew 16:17-19 and Isaiah 22 make clear that there is real authority in the Catholic Church Jesus gives and Protestants exist to keep themselves separate from Catholics not united to them both theologically, Scripturally, and logically. Catholics have more in common with Eastern Orthodoxy and Anglicans than we do with Protestants.
@danielcigolea7221
@danielcigolea7221 17 күн бұрын
@@Sixpenny2480 "The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." Pope Pius V “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty" Pope Leo XIII "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." Pope John XXII
@Sixpenny2480
@Sixpenny2480 17 күн бұрын
@danielcigolea7221 1=The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." -Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous," attributed to Pope Pius V. Slight problem he wasn't the pope when this quote was attributed to him. 2= But since We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty, who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth, and now that Our advanced age and the bitterness of anxious cares urge Us on towards the end common to every mortal, We feel drawn to follow the example of Our Redeemer and Master, Jesus Christ, who when about to return to Heaven, implored of God, His Father, in earnest prayer, that His disciples and followers should be of one mind and of one heart: "I pray...that they all may be one, as thou Father in Me, and I in Thee: that they also may be one in Us
@Sixpenny2480
@Sixpenny2480 17 күн бұрын
@danielcigolea7221 The third one is attributed to misunderstandings. However the correct title is holy Father.
@donn07
@donn07 17 күн бұрын
Any doctrine which says salvation is by works or by being in a catholic or Presbyterian denomination is from HELL
@br.m
@br.m 17 күн бұрын
Why do people still include Roman Catholicism in a discussion about Christianity? They are a whole different thing way way over there. Catholics can say whatever they want, that doesn't change the fact that they are wrong.
@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039
@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039 17 күн бұрын
If that were true, then Christianity didn't exist until your church came around 1,500+ years after Christ?
@br.m
@br.m 17 күн бұрын
@@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039 My church does not exist it never have or ever will. I'm a Christian, a believer in Jesus. Roman Catholicism does not believe in Jesus. They just use the name in vain as they worship themselves and exalt themselves and try to save themselves. Works, penance, purgatory.... Good grief
@Sixpenny2480
@Sixpenny2480 17 күн бұрын
@br.m Wherever Jesus Christ is there is the Catholic church= Ignatius of Antioch disciple to John the revelator and Peter.
@Sixpenny2480
@Sixpenny2480 17 күн бұрын
​@br.m surrounding your other claims. Yes the Catholic church believes in Christ. Its all throughout the bible the church compiled. Faith alone is only mentioned once in scripture its James 2 24. John Calvin once said faith alone saves but faith is never alone. Penance is all throughout the OT and NT see 1 Cor. 9:27, Matt. 6:17-18 and Joel 1:13-14. Surroundinf purgatory the problem is sin attaches to beleivers Heb 12 1 yet we can see in Revelations sin cannot enter heaven. God bless
@ironrex6979
@ironrex6979 17 күн бұрын
Because it’s the real one not made up years later or crazy gnostic bs
@jondahl3173
@jondahl3173 17 күн бұрын
If you understand that the Catholic system is built on non-biblical principles, and most of the Protestant system has adopted those principles, it adds depth to the arguments. And will help you understand Revelation 18 and the call to come out of the Babylonian system and not partake of "Her" plagues. This call by Christ is to everyone. You are not safe within any denomination, especially the Harlot system of worship, which has been correctly identified as Roman Catholicism for hundreds of years.
@Sixpenny2480
@Sixpenny2480 17 күн бұрын
Wherever Jesus Christ is there is the Catholic church. Ignatius of Antioch disciple to John the revelator and Peter
@bibleman8010
@bibleman8010 17 күн бұрын
What Holy Scripture has said Christ's Church would be: How Christ's Church has conformed to Holy Scripture: It will be founded by GOD: Psalms 127:1, Matthew 16:18 It was founded by GOD. It will be highly visible: Isaiah 2:2, Matthew 5:14 It is highly visible. It will have the authority: Matthew 18:15-18, John 20:21-22 It has the authority given to it by Jesus Christ. It will have a Father Figure: Isaiah 22:20-25 It has a Father Figure, as GOD always had for His people. It will be a Theocracy and not a Democracy: Eph 5:23-24 It is a Theocracy. It is governed from the top down. The blueprint for it is described in the book of Acts. It is blueprinted in the book of Acts. It will have priests, deacons, Bishops: Acts 6:1-6,14:22,20:28 It always has had priests, deacons, and Bishops. It will have Apostolic Succession: Psalm 109:8, Acts 1:20-26 It has Apostolic Succession. It will offer sacrifice every day in every place: Malachi 1:11 It does offer sacrifice every day in every place. It will be guided by the Holy Spirit: John 14:16-17, 16:12-13 It is guided by the Holy Spirit: Acts 15:28, Rev 2:7 Truths of GOD to be revealed to it over time: John 16:12-13 Truths of GOD have been revealed to it over time: Eph 3:10 It will be the Pillar and Foundation of Truth: 1Timothy 3:15 It is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth. It will be the guardian of truth: 2Timothy 1:13-14 It has been the guardian of truth for almost 2000 years. It will uphold Apostolic Tradition: 2Thessalonians 2:15 It upholds Apostolic Tradition. It will have Church councils: Proverbs 11:14, Acts 15:1-29 It holds periodic Church councils: Acts 15:1-29 It will be attacked from the inside: John 6:70 It has been attacked from the inside. It will be attacked from the outside: Matthew 5:10-12, 10:22 It has been attacked from the outside. All who fight against it shall be confounded: Isaiah 41:11 37,000+ Protestant sects is proof that they are confounded. It will be found in every century: Ephesians 3:21 It is found in every century from the day Christ founded it. It will last forever: Isa 41:10-11, 54:17, 59:21, Matt 28:20 It is still with us today from the day in which He founded it. There is only one Church in the entire world which matches all of the Scriptural requirements as listed above. Can your sect match even one of those requirements? That's very simplistic. In my view, to believe in Jesus is to believe He existed, He's the Son of God and God in the flesh, never sinned, is our only savior and He did and say things in truth out of LOVE, NECESSITY AND with a PURPOSE. That said, we have to look closely to his deeds, particularly about establishing a Church. Why did He instituted such a thing? What was the necessity for that and the purpose? So that we don't ever loose sight of his true teachings. And what did His Church taught? Well, all we have to do is analyse all the primitive documents from the first centuries and come to the conclusion what Church today teaches the same things as the early church (and there's only one that corresponds: the Catholic Church). In conclusion: to believe in Christ is to believe and hold fast to His Church. To believe in Christ and reject His established Church is a dichotomy/contradiction. Even Christ identifies Himself with his Church (Acts 9:4; 22:7; Lk 10:16; 1Tim.3:15)
@jondahl3173
@jondahl3173 17 күн бұрын
@@bibleman8010 When the individual believer obeys God's Torah Law, then you have the beginning of an apostolic church. Catholicism has; it's own Law, it's own festivals, it's own "covenant" which is no covenant, it's own doctrines separate from true Bible teachings. And it is self confessed to stand in the place of God, and has it's own mediatrix, Mary the queen of heaven. We just happen to know that mediatrix under several names, Semeramus, Dianna of the Ephesians, and Ishtar to name a few. These are all historical facts, beyond contestation. What God's church looks like is Torah obedient Yeshua (Jesus) followers who cut ties with all these pagan things. Catholicism has claimed to change God's times and law, a prophecy fulfilled of the book of Daniel chapter 9. I've read the claims of Thomas Aquinas' work, various papal leaders, read several quotes from Catholic catechisms on the matter of both the 7th day Sabbath change, as well as the change of God's appointed times of Leviticus 23, new covenant theology as a replacement for Everlasting Covenant theology which is Biblical. To me, it's downright terrifying to have seen all this and watch the uninformed go down the wide path whistling Dixie as they head to destruction.
@Catholicity-uw2yb
@Catholicity-uw2yb 6 күн бұрын
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