How can this timber yard go off-grid, it uses so much power?

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This timber yard in England has changed from running huge diesel generators all day every day to a huge lithium and Victron Energy system. Using a combination of solar and generator the owner has significantly reduced his costs and the system has kept up with the large power requirements of the machines as well as the house.
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00:00 Introduction
00:34 What is the power for?
01:08 They relied on diesel generators
01:59 Business History
02:36 Victron Energy installer & distributor
03:08 What power loads are there?
04:21 Equipment installed
05:22 Run-through of equipment
05:53 Does it work?
06:10 What about in winter?
07:01 Home installation
07:49 Future for the family
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@billyork9588 7 ай бұрын

I went off grid onto solar 7 years ago. Benefits are that I have sufficient reliable power without interruption. As I live in South Africa the benefits are enormous and with the spiraling cost of Eskom power the system was paid off within 4 years. Even if I have to replace the entire system the components of the system have become cheaper but less available due to increased demand for cost effective reliability and would be worthwhile. It is a really great feeling to be self sufficient when everything around you is falling apart! In my opinion solar is the way to go - less disruptive than wind generators and less maintenance.

@Fester_ 8 ай бұрын

Wowza. I heard my brother say that 30 or so years ago and have never used it before. Wowza.

@garyburchgb 8 ай бұрын

This is amazing, done a 1kw solar system in a full time converted horsebox home with victron kit. Would love to do these large installs as a job and see it come together!

@matt635d8 8 ай бұрын

Beautiful site . I’m glad I can see fronius there not just DC mppts . Beautiful

8 ай бұрын

WOW!!! Beautifull instalation. OFF GRID systems are a future of provide energy. Connected with LiFePO4 intelligent ESS must works great and long term. Congratulation.

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Thank You 🎉

8 ай бұрын

@@Smartrician Your welcome 😉

@gundelfish 8 ай бұрын

Phantastic! It's amazing to see that a whole business can be run on solar with Victron! Just this year I 've installed Victron in my own house. Several MPPTs and three MP IIs (three phase) combined with Pylontech batteries and all connected to a Cerbo. It's all running great and is capable of island mode, just in case.

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Awesome 🎉🎉

@kevxsi16v 8 ай бұрын

Cool setup same batteries I have used for my install. These BYD batteries (despite being China) are really very very well made. I am currently running 7 of them.

@ahalhalahalhal9701 6 ай бұрын

China make better stuffs anyway does uk Even make anything?

@CharlieRunnalls 7 ай бұрын

I love this!!

@crazytown5460 8 ай бұрын

Outstanding

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Thank You 🎉

@paulaspinall919 7 ай бұрын

Amazing video. It was fascinating to see how it all linked up and fulfilled the factory needs. Reducing your dependence on fossil fuels is a big plus, not knowing where the artificial prices will go next. Amuses me that oil producing countries control the volume of oil pumped to maintain high prices for the users. High prices for oil provide a much more fertile development environment for green solutions. ROI 4 years! No brainer. Thanks for an excellent video.

@whoguy4231 7 ай бұрын

Amazing ... Take my hat off to you ... Sustainability one house/factory at a time 👏

@Smartrician 7 ай бұрын

Thank You 🎉

@elimgarak1127 7 ай бұрын

Until you need to recycle the solar panels. Then the dream comes tumbling down.

@whoguy4231 7 ай бұрын

@@elimgarak1127 Not really ... The glass is recyclable, same with the aluminium and silicon ... It's just a matter of having the will to do it as they did with lead acid batteries.

@Smartrician 7 ай бұрын

Everything is recyclable, even the lithium batteries.

@messervices6904 8 ай бұрын

Nice system with hight quality 💪

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Thank You 🎉

@h2ouxb 7 ай бұрын

What a fantastic set-up! I'm at the start of a new build and also run a sawmill, but not to this scale. I'm very interested in what you could do for our farm.

@tillthiemann6448 7 ай бұрын

This is the Solarpunk future we want.

@CMP72 7 ай бұрын

Brilliant video! Great to see the true potential with Victron products on a large scale! I have used Victron products many times now and love them can't wait for my next project which I'll be using Victron inverters, chargers and battery's for an off grid container home! Let me know if you'd like to help out with this Victron energy! I would love some factory support !

@patty2Strk 6 ай бұрын

Victron ❣

@hali1337 Ай бұрын

Brutal!

@Ale55andr082 8 ай бұрын

it would be nice if victron introduced its own line of "server rack style" batteries with integrated BMS (like Pylontec, SOK etc).

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

You never know what’s around the corner 🎉

@Ale55andr082 8 ай бұрын

@@Smartrician I hoped so, Victron has a very complete product line, from inverters to fuses. It would be the ideal completion

@VarkaTheDragon 8 ай бұрын

That would require Victron to develop and release a new product before it becomes out of date!!

@John15293 7 ай бұрын

Or as the narrator would say. Victwon server wack.

@hoogmoog 7 ай бұрын

We're designing, building and operating some really big Victron systems here in Scotland. If you need a system for your business, get in touch.

@Smartrician 7 ай бұрын

That would ace! Send me your details and would love to past on any work in your area too :)

@bilbottles1339 8 ай бұрын

This is awesome and goes to show how excellent and scaleable Victron solar is - amazing I have Victron easysolar on my off grid property in Australia at an incredibly small fraction of this set up and it is the best energy decision i ever made.

@VictronEnergyBV 8 ай бұрын

Great to hear!

@Burwains_Energy 8 ай бұрын

Amazing install! When you combine a professional installer with Victron products, the sky is the limit!

@VictronEnergyBV 8 ай бұрын

Danny will be pleased to read this comment! Thanks for watching. And yes we agree.

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Thank You! Totally no limits, unlimited power 🥳

@salvadorblascogonga8204 7 ай бұрын

Maravillosa instalación como me gustaría poder trabajar en estas instalaciones y con estos materiales.

@Smartrician 7 ай бұрын

Thank You 🎉

@MrEuan616 8 ай бұрын

Great work TekiDan!

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Thank You 🎉

@reedmurungweni2091 8 ай бұрын

Wow this is absolutely amazing!!!!!! what a solution

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Thank You 🎉

@peacheszinserling 8 ай бұрын

🎉🎉its absolutely amazing victron and when we had it. it worked beautifully fullstop..simply Amazing 🎉🎉

@sunroad7228 7 ай бұрын

“In any system of energy, Control is what consumes energy the most. No energy store holds enough energy to extract an amount of energy equal to the total energy it stores. No system of energy can deliver sum useful energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it. This universal truth applies to all systems. Energy, like time, flows from past to future” (2017).

@Smartrician 7 ай бұрын

There’s always loses, energy in Vs energy out, but £ in £ = happy client

@simonyapp 8 ай бұрын

You are amazing Danny Good on you

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Thank You 🎉

@margarita8442 8 ай бұрын

good install, big $$$$

@clivelee4279 8 ай бұрын

When you say the sawdust logs have more heat than coal , do you mean weight for weight , ie more BTU’s per lb’s in favour of the logs ? Thank you , a most interesting video.

@colcent_solar 8 ай бұрын

This is nice😊 ,fan from Nigeria

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Thank You 🎉

@kentneil7100 13 күн бұрын

Mega impressive solution but would have been nice to know the cost and savings

@bramcoteelectrical1088 8 ай бұрын

😊❤well done danny

@mattiafrancescobruni8318 8 ай бұрын

Real nice setup, is the BYD batteries the Blade type? Wonder how much space a setup like this will take per kW

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

They are LVL BYD 15.4kW usable per battery

@Helloverlord 7 ай бұрын

0:41 worth mentioning timber yard was off grid even before they opted for PV panels...

@alanblyde8502 8 ай бұрын

Way to go congratulations, is imagine there would be cloudy day in that part of the work World unlike Australia but hats off to you👌🇦🇺

@mflo1970 8 ай бұрын

El pensamiento del señor ,de poner su grano de arena es muy importante, buena elección, enhorabuena 🎉🎉

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Thank You 🎉

@darlyncom746 8 ай бұрын

VERY WONDERFUL

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Thank You 🎉

@user-gw6ik7mk8p 8 ай бұрын

What about wind generator? That would work in summer and winter as well.

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Yes sure he would like to add one in a few years

@SlackersIndustry 8 ай бұрын

would have been nice to see how much it cost to install everything and how much he was saving, how long til it pays off

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

around 4 years to pay back at todays prices, still have another roof to install more PV.

@billtudor1953 8 ай бұрын

I don't know why this was suggested to me. But is there any consideration of switching some of the power hungry machines to DC motors? Would it be worth while for the lower conversion losses?

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Nice idea, but the machines are special ones and the batteries are too far away for dc cabling.

@markb3787 8 ай бұрын

Congratulations It’s a dream come true 🔱

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

It is awesome 🎉

@djsykez 8 ай бұрын

@victronenergy genuine question, do you have any retailers / service providers in New Zealand ? I'm looking for a similar size system in a up coming project

@Smartrician 7 ай бұрын

Take alook on the Victron Website installer map.

@martinburnette8229 7 ай бұрын

Would you be willing to share cost for various stages of your project thank you Martin

@Smartrician 7 ай бұрын

Each install has own requirements, I could give you a quote for your own needs if you'd like.

@user-ee9gk8re6m 4 ай бұрын

Does the battery include a warranty?

@Smartrician 3 ай бұрын

Yes sure, 5 years as standard but can be extended 🎉

@josef12011976 8 ай бұрын

Hi, is there a System Diagramm too? Why are the froniu used? BR

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

They are fresh AC, in the video it is explained.

@sisenis4460 8 ай бұрын

@2:57 you also have Lynx BMS, why do you have it, does it works with non-Victron batteries? I mean does it keep contactor closed?

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Hi yes, this is for use with Victron smart lithium batteries, has disconnect built in to BMS

@sisenis4460 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for reply, but why you use Lynx BMS in this system if you have Byd battery BMS? Is it just for having Lynx Distributor fuse status in Cerbo or VRM?

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

There are 2 systems, the main system is BYD with no lynx BMS each battery has own disconnects. The house system has Lynx BMS and victron batteries.

@tujuprojects 8 ай бұрын

In Finland a typical saw burns down when the economy slows and somehow they lit up at the same time. With that much high current wires all over the changes are even better.

@carlthor91 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the informative video.

@getubelogin 8 ай бұрын

So how long will it take to pay for itself?

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

With today’s prices approximately 4 years

@pedrosmits 7 ай бұрын

Why not use the waste product to produce electricity? Instead of running the small generator at night in the winter.

@Smartrician 7 ай бұрын

Good idea!

@sisenis4460 8 ай бұрын

Nice project! But how did you use Lynx Distributor which has max current 1000A DC, but your Quattros in peaks can take 1500-2000A DC?

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Used a ring bus configuration, you can’t see on video well, the lynx are back to back with 15 x 2 120mm links cables going through the wall, on simulation with any 2 phases running at 18kW per box the amps are never over 1000amp in any one place on the bus, batteries have own disconnects built in.

@davidking1501 8 ай бұрын

Huge fan of Victron gear but have to considered alternative non-lithium-based battery modular systems like the companies Redflow zinc based battery system. In the future for larger installation, you may want to consider German manufactured based AllTech batteries when the 60Kwh plus modules finally come into production

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Something to look at in the future for sure! Thank You

@zergounkhalid5804 8 ай бұрын

I would be interested to know how the 6 inverters were connected, whether they were connected in parallel in series, or whether each 3 inverters were connected separately

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

3 x 4 in Parallel

@5885ronny 8 ай бұрын

Hallo 👍👍👍

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Thank You 🎉

@donlatinohits 8 ай бұрын

The budget for this project will be off the roof

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

ROI is 4 years 🎉

@GrantGoddard-b9e 22 күн бұрын

What would be the approximate cost for a set up this size please? I too run two timber yards in West Wales Thanks

@GrantGoddard-b9e 22 күн бұрын

@@Smartrician rough price on a system like this?

@donlatinohits 8 ай бұрын

Omo... This is heavy.

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Awesome 🎉

@ooglek 8 ай бұрын

Cool! How much did the whole system cost, and what's the time for ROI?

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Each site has it’s own cost and one price doesn’t suit all sites, client confidentiality we can’t disclose their install price. ROI is 4 years at todays prices. Feel free to ask us to quote your site anytime.

@ooglek 8 ай бұрын

@@Smartrician OK, what is the per kWh price of electricity in say July 2023 in England for this site, and how much electricity is the site generating per day/week/month on average, and over what time period is that average? Can you give me a quote for exactly what was shown in the video?

@tomkelly8827 8 ай бұрын

I thought they would use steam power from their wood waste

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

The owner has steam engines too and wants to play them to use excess solar at weekends to heat the water

@w3bb0y 8 ай бұрын

Curious how this will keep the factory running in winter though

@dank9561 8 ай бұрын

Likely they would run the smaller generator overnight to recharge the batteries, which would then run the factory during the day without needing to turn the bigger generator on.

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Yes thats right

@25566 8 ай бұрын

it won't they said so in the video, they still to maintain the generators for winter..

@user-en3uv9te5e 8 ай бұрын

Always, start with an complete overview of energy needs and alternatives, how and where all that energy is flowing: Motors and the equipment they drive account for 63% of the total energy consumed in the industrial sector. The purchase price of an efficient DC FOC Controlled motor only accounts for 0,5% of its total lifetime costs. The remaining 99% is electricity (and a small fraction for maintenance). Companies that develop and implement a motor efficiency program generally uncover a cost savings of 43%.

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Good advise Thank You 🎉

@25566 8 ай бұрын

so they still need the generator in winter...

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Yes sure

@callumcurtis15 7 ай бұрын

But that doesn't really matter in this case because they will be using all the energy created by the solar panels thanks to battery storage, So the ROI should be about the same as having enough panels to get through the winter if not actually better because they would be overproducing in the summer .

@Smartrician 7 ай бұрын

@@callumcurtis15 and changing to electric forklifts and EVs next year to charge when factory closes at 4pm and weekends when closed

@Kosmonooit 8 ай бұрын

Do the gensets go via the Quatros?

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

Yes sure

@dudeleboski2692 8 ай бұрын

I wonder how much that eat someone back?

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

4 years payback at todays prices

@slipperyslope5364 7 ай бұрын

That is a joke that solar companies didn't want to take the Job, if you have enough solar real estate then your power is limitless. Storage is no problem either, at $ 96k a year electric bill, it is easy justification for an investment in a large battery bank

@VictronEnergyBV 7 ай бұрын

Steve was paying more like $130k US a year. (£2K week)

@Smartrician 7 ай бұрын

Other installers just didn’t know about Victron Equipment and its capabilities.

@normyanke2515 7 ай бұрын

looking at publicly available solar data for UK, it appears solar works at full output maybe 10% of the time. Unless local grid electricity is extremely high priced, I mean really high, this will just be a waste of money, unless there are government subsidies involved. For six winter months average solar will be something like 3% of the time, providing peak output equivalent. So what about the other 97% of the time, and the BIG bill for solar equipment.

@VictronEnergyBV 7 ай бұрын

I guess you missed the point that the woodyard are not connected to the grid?

@Smartrician 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for you comment, we don’t compare to any data on the web, this install works, over 80% of the power is now provided from the sun. Instead of 100% diesel. 🎉

@normyanke2515 6 ай бұрын

impossible, in winter solar capacity factor for the UK maybe 3% over six months. You cannot run this mill and charge the huge batteries with intermittent, unreliable, weak winter sun, stop fooling people with this nonsense. @@Smartrician

@edc1569 8 ай бұрын

Surely you could get a proper grid connection, UK is tiny.

@Heimbasteln 8 ай бұрын

Yeah, its insane that they have been running generators for all this time. However I bet it isnt worth it to get a grid connection now.

@whattheschmidt 8 ай бұрын

@@Heimbasteln They just proved it's obsolete. It would be interesting to know how many days they have to use the diesel generator still.

@Heimbasteln 8 ай бұрын

@@whattheschmidtGood question. They do have the advantage now that they charge the batteries with the generator, so they can at least use the generator at the most efficient load.

@dank9561 8 ай бұрын

If the property is in a rural area the local DNO probably told them the local substation can't support running a sawmill and gave them an eye watering price to have the local power grid and substation upgraded.

@WindyJAMiller 8 ай бұрын

Yeah this isn't a house we are talking about. Locality makes a massive difference with the cost of connection. You then also have the ongoing cost of purchasing electricity. I appreciate the cost of diesel needs to be factored in when comparing the options.

@timlucas4014 8 ай бұрын

Why did he say he used 400 KVA with all the equipment going ,, and then Victron said up to 130 KVa... Big differance I must be missing somthing here

@networkingdude 8 ай бұрын

Because generators are usually twice the size of the load.

@kayakingphotos 8 ай бұрын

Starting surges are pretty heavy with mill machinery like that. Even with a soft starter, in the mill I work at, starting currents can be 4 times full load running current. And it might be taking 30-45 seconds getting up to speed.

@timlucas4014 8 ай бұрын

So 2 * 130 is 400 Ok got it @@networkingdude

@timlucas4014 8 ай бұрын

The total of 180 KVA inverters have to handle the Inductive loads also with the simular limitations as a Gen@@kayakingphotos

@Norfieldeng 8 ай бұрын

Issue with title, it was off grid to start with! Now it has uninterrupted off grid with Solar added to the mix?

@VictronEnergyBV 8 ай бұрын

What language are you seeing this?

@Norfieldeng 8 ай бұрын

English. I would use the term off grid as being without a connection to take national power grid and reliant on another source like generators which was the starting point. Interesting all the same and quite simillar to a local window factory based on an old farm and run on generators that has done simillar.

@Smartrician 8 ай бұрын

They did have single phase 60amp in the beginning, but as the buisness grew, an upgrade to 3 Phase 250amp was so expensive being in the country side, it was cheaper to use red fuel. Then a few years ago law was made to only use white fuel with the extra taxes.