Brandon Khoo answers the question with a detailed explanation and demonstration.
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@canturgan8 жыл бұрын
The best drummers are the ones that listen.
@ewouthonig3718 жыл бұрын
You understand what it's about. Too many here think you're a good drummer if you can play 1/256's at 140bpm. On your bass pedals. They're idiots. And certainly no musicians.
@Malapropify8 жыл бұрын
They're athletes! :)
@YourMusicPress8 жыл бұрын
same with any musician
@canturgan8 жыл бұрын
+Mark Walters Yes.
@Malapropify8 жыл бұрын
Not really. Never broke a sweat playing flute....
@jx14aby8 жыл бұрын
"Forget all that fancy shit. Play like Ringo." John Lennon to Andy Newmark while recording Double Fantasy.
@paulnottherealmccartney85588 жыл бұрын
+Rush Ron Agree
@croja078 жыл бұрын
Unless you are keith moon
@Robbob99338 жыл бұрын
Have you even listened to The Who? Huge gaps in "My Generation". What Keith did not do was drum solos, he may have an extended bridge but It fit the song. To his fills, they fit the song also.
@0943408 жыл бұрын
Moon was good, but sometimes he overplayed IMO, and at times he was pretty sloppy.
@jrich7458 жыл бұрын
the good drummer (what he thinks) wreaked a good song,
@m4marcel7 жыл бұрын
He's right. Don't overplay.
@bucsfan25657 жыл бұрын
Marc Lois No there's that point towards the end of the song where you have to break the monotony and go off and pound the shit out of it
@saucyjackattak7 жыл бұрын
Ringo didnt "over play" cuz he didnt want to ...he didnt over play cuz he doesnt have any chops ...Give me a fuggin break
@spormlastname2677 жыл бұрын
dom anant which band are you in?
@saucyjackattak7 жыл бұрын
A better one than anything you have EVER played in, Junior
@spormlastname2677 жыл бұрын
dom anant which one?
@xxXthekevXxx7 жыл бұрын
True skill is the ability to be creative and come up with something that complements the music well.
@ninotomas96867 жыл бұрын
Nah dude, i can easily come up with a beat for any song but i dont consider my self a drummer. (im not fishing for compliments; this isnt about me in the first place) True skill is the ability to be one with the beat of the drum, to make every tap and crash and stomp count. True skill is not making a beat thats so good that people will only focus on the drums; true skill is the ability to make everyone go, "My gosh, this is such a good song, but i dont know why." True skill is the ability to get rid of the aspect of skill and welcome in the aspect of mystery; skill is subjective, but true skill is making everyone admit that when it comes to drums, because of you, there will be only one definition of it that everyone can agree on. True skill is the ability to unite people as one, and to unite them anonymously. Mystery is the number 1 fear of everyone in this universe; true skill is turning that fear into an inspiration.
@MultiSanchez19953 жыл бұрын
That sounds like an interesting point of view what have you created bro?
@neighbourhoodmusician2 жыл бұрын
What if you're a dep player? You just need to play the material you're given. You can still be a good drummer without needing to write.
@moosephilotus46718 жыл бұрын
Bad drummers don't call their mom on Mother's Day.
@Moonwalker69698 жыл бұрын
Aww man... who fucked up?
@Johnnywhamo8 жыл бұрын
Moose Philotus................LOL! nice one.
@elmonster35718 жыл бұрын
We're talking about bad drummers, not Satan
@snapperjessen8 жыл бұрын
bad drummers use their mothers as drums :)
@Johnnywhamo8 жыл бұрын
Zachary Goddard Or really how insightful Buzzy McBuzkill
@7101998GreenDay9 жыл бұрын
An immature drummer plays drums. A good drummer plays the song. Loved this video!
@baconfromhell6669 жыл бұрын
7101998GreenDay hey, im offended by that. I've been playing drums most of my life, they are a big part of me and my greatest passion, so when I play a song, sure I play the song, but I certainly also plays the drums, feel every damn hit
@johnjones36489 жыл бұрын
baconfromhell666 Grow up.
@kirjian9 жыл бұрын
baconfromhell666 you didn't get it
@7101998GreenDay9 жыл бұрын
***** That's why a time slot for a drum solo exists.
@ponyyak689 жыл бұрын
7101998GreenDay A-MEN!
@wildvideos56627 жыл бұрын
Well said! I hate when amateurs think that playing everything fast and complicated makes them better musicians.
@philw196420027 жыл бұрын
WildVideos I agree 100% but Ringo blows.
@lantz3577 жыл бұрын
Just saw one not two days ago. I fucking hate the kid and whoever her teacher is, she played a drum cover of I feel Good song by James Brown on 8th note double pedal. I am very furious that makes me want to punch the damn kid and whoever her teacher is for ruining a good classic song. And when the "so good" lyrics she just did a fill in on triplets totally ruining the song.
@philw196420027 жыл бұрын
People screw songs up because they really don't know how the song goes to begin with
@FurbyParade2267 жыл бұрын
Phil Whisenant Uh... "better" is subjective but, yes. It usually means they are in fact "better" if they A) are more coordinated, B) are faster, or C) both. Speed takes skill. And it is entirely aquired through practice. Durp.
@juanmanuelcorrea76737 жыл бұрын
There is a difference between a MUSICIAN, and an instrument player ;)
@rosiemurray26114 жыл бұрын
I love how he just trusts that playing the Beatles will prove his point, and he’s absolutely right too. Ringo’s clear, open sound is obviously wonderful and requires no explanation; it’s simply perfect.
@AndresTorres3d9 жыл бұрын
this man has something to say. awesome
@BrandonKhoo9 жыл бұрын
***** Thank you Andres! I try my best to keep it simple and explain it the best I can! Thank you so much once again!
@Robbob99339 жыл бұрын
Brandon Khoo I liked how you turned the question around. I bet many in this audience did not have high regard for Ringo, thinking he only play like the song "In My Life", but they could never duplicate his playing in "A Day in the Life".
@richardsantorsola57279 жыл бұрын
Brandon Khoo
@theo99528 жыл бұрын
+Robbob9933 Or in ''long, long, long'' ... the little Harisong jem, where Ringo's drums ''sing'' their own percussive melody...
@orbithesun18 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, what exactly did he say, other then the music should take precedence? Every music teacher I've come across gives that same advice. It's just common sense. What really makes a great musician is a good ear and a whole lot of practice. Even then there is no guarantee.
@0x7779 жыл бұрын
"All she does is keep the beat" Yeah, that's what a drummer has to do first and foremost. I remember Copeland saying something along the lines of "and now I'll show you something only a select few contemporary drummers can actually pull off anymore". And he played down a very simple but VERY precise 3 minute drum bit. And that's the sad truth: A lot of drummers today simply can't hold down a beat without a metronome plugged into their ears.
@lonewolf6049 жыл бұрын
0x777 Like who? I think we're just giving "famous" drummers too much credit. Ringo his praised because he was in a famous band. Take him out of the beatles and he's just an average drummer.
@samostig9 жыл бұрын
lonewolf604 He always played precisely what the song needed, never show-boated...whether he is 'technically' the best is irrelevant, as a musician he has a brilliant ear, and that is key.
@lonewolf6049 жыл бұрын
samostig And you could have said that about anybody who joined the beatles. And we're talking about a drummer in the 60's, technical drumming didn't really exist back then anyway.....He didn't NOT showboat because of necessity, he didn't showboat because he couldn't
@Mr.56Goldtop9 жыл бұрын
+lonewolf604 Technical drummimg didn't exsist back then? The 30s,40s, and 50s were the golden era of great drummers! Gene Krupa, Buddy Rich, Warren Dobbs, Sonny Greer, Louie Bellson, Joe Morello, Hal Blaine, and the list goes on. Ringo is an excellent drummer for his genre. He played what he needed to play, and played it very well. He's not Neal Peart, he's Ringo.
@dam09ify9 жыл бұрын
lonewolf604 Sorry I have to disagree with this statement. How do u know what any drummer was or wasn't capable of in the 60s? As Brandon rightly states in the video 'he served the song!' (And still does!:) ) IMO 'technical' doesn't have to mean fast tempos or complicated fills; in fact it should include having a good 'ear' as Ringo clearly does.
@BrandonKhoo4 жыл бұрын
Hey guys. 6 years on and I’m happy that this video is being shared and judging from the comments, there are many points of views. I appreciate all the comments and opinions. Some agree and some don’t agree, but this is exactly why music is so awesome, everyone’s approach and views are different. Imagine if everyone had agreed, this art form would be boring. Keep me coming guys. Love it!
@Bharathk4 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on Dave Grohl’s drumming in his Nirvana days? I’d always thought he was another great example of a technically incredible musician (who could do anything at will behind the drum kit), but purposefully played to the level of simplicity that fit their songs.
@BrandonKhoo4 жыл бұрын
@@Bharathk Love his drumming. He delivered what was needed. Not only did he support the song. He gave the song an extra boost, especially with his delivery in "tone" Imagine "Breed" without the 16th note intro on the snare! and imagine "Breed" with a snare that sounds like cardboard on that intro. It just wouldn't have made that song so great. The fill-ins on that song may not be planned. But it was definitely played with immense musicality, coming from a great guitarist and a vocalist himself.
@modmother3 жыл бұрын
brandon - this is one of my favourite videos ever - and just came back to revisit it again. i think about this example all the time and just want to show my appreciation to you for this demonstration. 🙇
@Walrus2863 жыл бұрын
This is simply my favorite MUSIC lesson ever. I’m a bass player and this has changed my entire perspective on how to approach making music, and it’s impacted how I listen to music. Scott Plouf’s work with Built to Spill is some of my favorite drumming ever. Power + simplicity.
@BrandonKhoo3 жыл бұрын
@@modmother Thank you for watching. I hope the message is clear. =-)
@shadow13327 жыл бұрын
a good drummer keeps the entire bands beat with the ability to know when to be simple and when to go nuts. Nobody likes a show off
@johnjones59777 жыл бұрын
I disagree with you on one point. I completely agree with Carter Bruford of the Dave Mathews Band. When asked about how he felt about being the timekeeper for the group he replied: "They're all professionals. They can keep their own damn time." True musicians should not rely on another instrument to keep time for them. That's lazy.
@Bluuu37 жыл бұрын
John Jones it's not lazy... it's the drummers job to keep the band together. I saw one Muse live video on KZfaq. He played new born, started way too fast so when the hi hat came in dom slowed him down to around the right time.
Joshua Burger "Showing off" is pretty subjective. Was Neil Peart a show off? What about Billy Cobham? Complex drumming can complement music depending on what's trying to be portrayed. Brann Dailor from Mastodon went ape shit on their debut record, but it made the album that much heavier.
@pedrosilvaproductions7 жыл бұрын
+John Jones In an orchestra you have someone right in the middle which keeps the whole people together. All of the members of an orchestra are all professionals. They know how to keep time. But it's harder to keep a harmonized group. Even if it's 3 or 4 or if its 40. You should not rely on other instruments ONLY. You should train your ear to have the notion and keep time. Put it like this. Imagine an army that goes in battle. If no one is leading they would not be battling as a whole army. They all know what to do, how do it, and what's the best strategy. But if someone leads and commands the troops, their attack will be much more effective and less prone to flaws
@BrandonKhoo9 жыл бұрын
With all that's being said guys, all I'm saying is serve the music to it's genre. If I'm playing a Pop song, I'll lay the 2s and 4s and serve it as it is, if I'm playing a prog metal song, I'll serve it as it is too. I'm not saying fast chops is bad, neither am I saying "just playing the 2s and 4s" is bad. All I'm saying is to serve the music. I hope everyone can focus on the positive side to this video rather than bite each other's head off. Let's all agree on working towards being better musicians in whichever instrument we play, I have personally taken a few steps back to review my own approach to my own playing many times in my career, and each time I point out something in my playing that I don't like and try to better myself, but in the midst of it all, I try to create my own style, identity and voice. Our musical journey lasts a lifetime and never ends. So please continue to work towards being better. :-)
@buddyclem73289 жыл бұрын
I agree, and I would also say it is the task for every musician in a group to blend together and compliment each other to create one piece of musical art. Every member of my band writes their own parts in a way that the end product is better than any one musician could have created on their own. Ideally the drummer is also part of the songwriting process and a full member of the band. Every band member counts. Keep on rocking.
@thecalling6679 жыл бұрын
***** I agree man!
@nepalimac17909 жыл бұрын
absolutely, dude! keep on, keeping the peace!
@arthurwashburn76249 жыл бұрын
exactly
@rio_mn9 жыл бұрын
I just learned something today. Thank you.
@HE3608 жыл бұрын
Anybody who is capable of keeping a good beat is a good drummer.
@danwrizzo8 жыл бұрын
Ya also gotta know who youre playing with, the style youre playing with thatll effect your dynamic contrast and what sound youre taking from the set
@samanderson77458 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Like when Brad Wilk played with The Smashing Pumpkins, great drummer for Rage Against The Machine, and both are bands I love, but damn, that was just awkward all around.
@narwok8 жыл бұрын
Not exactly but I would say that somebody able to keep a good beat has the potential to be a good drummer :)
@tommack93958 жыл бұрын
You need to be able to keep time, however you'll discover not everything should be "on beat" - i.e. jazz, bebop, fusion or funk (they're most always utilizing syncopation - anticipation or retardation) highly "Off-Beat"... 1 and a 2 and a 3 and a 4 and a - the beat may be 2 and 4 but the drums playing emphasis syncopated on the "a" of 1 and possibly the "and" of 4. The relevance really is "keep time" so meter and tempo are everything... i.e. 4/4 at 120bpm - maintaining such coming back from fills etc. I will tell you this, and is true as far as I may tell - a "band" is only as good as it's drummer. When a drummer cannot keep time he sticks out like a sore thumb and the band as a whole sounds bad. That is something not necessarily true of the other band members, when they're off a bit - it's far less obvious. Which brings us back to what Mr. Khoo's answer was - you play to the requirement of the song or piece. I'm just really a guitar player... my experience range from jazz standards through shred and metal, I've played with some great drummers and some bad too ... i.e. the most annoying thing is when you have some speed metal drummer who lacks tempo-sense ... he starts out on tempo and increases tempo coming back off every fill - but not in the piece - feels like he's racing to the end.
@gregnester60588 жыл бұрын
Timing is vital, as is knowing what is required from the song (setting the mood..). One aspect very often overlooked is how hard someone is banging on the drum. I've been fortunate enough to see some great ones live like Buddy Rich, Neil Peart & Lenny White. All time machines who knew (& know) their music intimately & could (can) play very soft or with authority when called for. All together that is what makes a great drummer.. The best drummers have all the preceding qualities, but never play a song the same way twice. Why..? Because they can.. ;D
@pianostudentsemper3 жыл бұрын
This is a $1000 lesson. For free. Thanks, Brandon.
@BrandonKhoo3 жыл бұрын
You are welcome. I'm glad to be able to have shed some light. =-) I wish someone had told me this when i was in my teens. LOL
@chrisdee50327 жыл бұрын
A good drummer is one that carries his own gear without fucking moaning about it!
@kemonitosexy7 жыл бұрын
Mr Muck lol
@jackik14107 жыл бұрын
drummers don't need a drum set to punch the vocalist, stomp on the ground, snap or just simply beatbox. and you try to carry that much. imagine having to carry 8 guitars.(drumset: 4 drums + 3 hats)
@Bombayshowtime7 жыл бұрын
Damn those drummers are princesses.
@Bombayshowtime7 жыл бұрын
tell that to my ampeg svt810. I let you carry that Ill carry that little drum
@VaughanDavies7 жыл бұрын
I'm a drummer but I drive a Bike.. can't move my gear on that.
@MihzvolWuriar8 жыл бұрын
Damn, I wish the world had more musicians like you, *to play what the music requires*, specially in heavy metal, I'm so tired of the "I play as fast as I hold in bed", and I feel I'm alone in this, everyone around me love it...
@Jzphh8 жыл бұрын
same. Fuck blast beats (well blast beats themselves arent bad its just overuse of them)
@Immorpher7 жыл бұрын
I like the typical modern metal fan do like blast beats. However it is sometimes disappointing when it is over used. The kick drum is the most abused in this case I think. One of my favorite bands switched drummers, and their next album was a continuous kick blast beat. To be fair the new drummer wanted to be a guitarist but the band only needed a drummer, so I don't think he was particularly inspired to take it easy on the kick.
@Jzphh7 жыл бұрын
Immorpher stuff like infant annhilator and all that 'grindcore' (?) crap where it's just constant blast beats is just damn annoying imo. They don't even have to be used sparingly, a great drummer could incorporate many blast beats into a song and not make it sound dull. If you've heard 'i' by Meshuggah then you'll know what i mean. Their drummer makes good use of blast beats throughout the whole 21mins. And by 'kick blast beat' I assume you mean just constant 32nd note kicks? Sometimes it gets so ridiculous it just sounds like a fart lol.
@Immorpher7 жыл бұрын
Yes indeed, I am talking about those 32nd note kicks. I don't completely hate them as I will use something like that in a new song. But some albums I have heard don't have breaks in them, so it is hard to appreciate when they are there. Just listened to the Meshuggah album and the drummer mixes up the kicks quite nicely!
@Augrills7 жыл бұрын
That's not how all metal is, though. Jimmy Bower from Down is a great drummer who doesn't do that. Tommy Buckley from Soilent Green is fast, but he does something totally different. Igor Cavalera sounds good to me. I don't like Bring Me the Horizon, but they have a good drummer.
@Editor_Hound8 жыл бұрын
Where are the "not quite my tempo" comments?!?
@LuckyFlesh8 жыл бұрын
Did you rush to that comment or drag?
@Editor_Hound8 жыл бұрын
Dragging, duh. Don't kick me out of the comment section, "Fletcher".
@MrMvpron228 жыл бұрын
dragging just a hair
@paulthoresen82418 жыл бұрын
In 2015
@leosousa74047 жыл бұрын
Whiplash is the best movie I have ever seen
@yetanothercsstudent4 жыл бұрын
Ringo kept it so simple in some songs he just held an umbrella.
@DMS_Shisui3 жыл бұрын
And in some he just rode an exercise bike.
@Memorex9963 жыл бұрын
Ringo is the Tim Duncan of drumming. The casual fan doesnt think much of Duncan but those who appreciate basketball know that his greatness in simplicity puts him as an all time great.
@chkz72138 жыл бұрын
The best drummers are the ones with cowbell
@Egang038 жыл бұрын
You said it
@chkz72138 жыл бұрын
ahhahahaha
@chkz72138 жыл бұрын
I'm complete.
@TKTnetwork8 жыл бұрын
I have a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!
@danielplainview28547 жыл бұрын
I gotta have more cowbell!
@johnalcock23498 жыл бұрын
The best drummer is the one that gets the most snatch.
@stan64888 жыл бұрын
yeah, not you
@seizethedayandlive8 жыл бұрын
ha! ha! you guys crack me up! ;-)
@thanksmisfortune8 жыл бұрын
Lmaooo yes
@jquiznos22838 жыл бұрын
answering the real questions here.
@minnielee33998 жыл бұрын
LOL
@WeaponsEducation6 жыл бұрын
Excellent way of explaining drummers.
@BrandonKhoo3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! There are 1001 ways of explaining this to a certain degree. also depends on what level they are playing at, also what genre and how they see music.
@Eleventhearlofmars3 жыл бұрын
Phil Collins is my favourite drummer, those 70s Genesis albums and brand x are just WOW. Gavin Harrison currently has the chops as well.
@richs52557 жыл бұрын
I just ran across this video quite by accident. I must say I could not agree with this guy more. Whether you like the Beatles or you don't; whether you like Ringo Starr or you don't, I've always professed that there is not a better drummer who could play Beatles music better than Ringo Starr did on every single song on every one of their albums. He was a master at coming up the with most stylistic drum parts for every one of their songs. No one could have done it better. Many people know he was not the most well-schooled drummer around and left a lot to be desired in the chops department. But every single measure he played was perfect for the song he was playing on at the time. He was one of the most creative participants and underrated musicians of the time even as he was playing with the other three virtuosos who comprised the Beatles. I don't know Brandon Khoo and I've never heard of him, but he hit the nail on the head squarely by making this analogy. I would imagine he is a superior educator who knows more about drumming than most of the big powerhouses who we all think so highly of. When he started to answer this question by mentioning the Beatles, I hoped he was going to make an example of how Ringo should be rightfully mentioned as one of the great drummers ever, solely for his work with the Beatles. To be clear, I'm not a huge fan of Ringo, but I'm a fan of all the great drumming he left for the world in conjunction with the Beatles. Hats off to Brandon Khoo, a master educator who knew exactly how to answer this question and did so while quietly exalting a master drummer of his time, Ringo Starr!!
@mikelegofan5 жыл бұрын
you are wrong, Joey Jordison is the best 😂😂😂😂😂
@amwinters5 жыл бұрын
The song RAIN shows some purrty good chops to me. Bad ass song
@andyllocomotive32538 жыл бұрын
I don't know anything about drums I'm just here
@proksenospapias93278 жыл бұрын
o hi there
@davydevilution72978 жыл бұрын
Yep, me too
@parepidemosproductions47418 жыл бұрын
Same. Twenty one pilots?
@liamlovesyoualot8 жыл бұрын
LMAO, the drummer from 21 Pilots is really trash.
@parepidemosproductions47418 жыл бұрын
+Dewey76207 we all are |-/
@andrewrosson60669 жыл бұрын
This guy knows what he's talking about. Good music is in the air. It's in the atmosphere. It stays there until a great musician hears it and plays it. Great musicians don't create music; They simply filter it out of the air that surrounds them.
@JoaoFernandes-jf8if9 жыл бұрын
exactly!!!
@FusRoDah29 жыл бұрын
DamageIncM It sucks when you are on the bus and you think of something great.
@andrewrosson60669 жыл бұрын
FusRoDah2 hey, notebooks.
@jaksonopolis9 жыл бұрын
***** Couldnt agree more. I find more inspiration for music just starting my day than i do trying just sit down and force things. Ive written more songs in my head before even touching guitars than i have any other way.
@jaksonopolis9 жыл бұрын
haha.. dont be stealing my middle name too!!
@TheVagolfer7 жыл бұрын
I can't play a drum solo for shit, can't do rudiments if my life depended on it, my drum rolls are uneven and Brandon Khoo is a thousand times better than I will ever be.......but I always seem to find the right groove for my bands songs. " It's better to be a good drummer in a band than a great drummer in your basement "........My eighth grade music teacher, Mr. Morton.
@MB-lz1lk7 жыл бұрын
TheVagolfer damn..
@spiinch_6 жыл бұрын
You may not be good at your rudiments and still are good in a band, but you should probably practise them anyway. I found when I began my drum journey I was alright, but when I started going to lessons and studying my rudiments properly I found my music flowed so much better than before I had practised my rudiments. You should know your rudiments and practise rolls and such, because they add to the ingredients that you use to do your drumming. You wouldn't make a cake without a recipe right? What your eigth grade teacher said is subjective advice, and I certainly wouldn't have taken it but it's probably because our styles differ, as unlike many I specialise not in rock or metal (I like jazz music haha). It doesn't make one any less of a drummer whether they've played in bands or can do their rudiments amazingly because both are important. You should be a great drummer in your basement and a great drummer in a band, not one or the other, because playing live is just as important as sitting alone and working on your technical skills.
@stevegregory77316 жыл бұрын
Yeah, there are some excellent drummers that have zero radio play (Gene Hoglan, Paul Bostaph, Dave Lombardo), & several suck ass drummers that are allllllll over the radio (AC/DC, Metallica). It's not just about the skill of one over another, but obviously the connections you have.
@flacidhouse3506 жыл бұрын
AC/DC and Metallica have much better drummers. You have no taste.
@stevegregory77316 жыл бұрын
+Flacid House "AC/DC & Metallica have much better drummers"...........than who?? A fucking toddler with a wooden spoon & a pan?? You've obviously never heard the drummers I mentioned. They fucking crush those douchebags in ac/dc & Metallica.
@bootlegapples7 жыл бұрын
The drumming Ringo came up with on that song fit that song and complimented the whole of it-it was "simple" but creative by leaving holes in spots-IE he accented it with spaces and gaps instead of fills-as most drummers do.
@Tac-08 жыл бұрын
ive played drums for over 11 years now ,and the one thing i say to EVERYONE who wants to start playing drums is Its not hard to play fast (blast beats,double pedal etc) its hard to play slow,with alot of feelings and precise. you have to go through the same thing when learning how to drive a car.. its REALLY easy to just press down the gas and steer the car on the freeway, but when you have to go from stopping to 50kmh constantly ..its actually alot harder. remember this,
@matakasper8 жыл бұрын
I play the guitar and its the same thing. All that tapping and shredding looks good, and afcourse it sounds good. But try playing that soulfull slow blues. That`s when shit gets hard. With fast playing you hit a bunch of notes that sounds good when played together. But when you play the slow soulfull notes every note can stand by itself.
@TheJohannes448 жыл бұрын
I've been playing for about 10 years now, and I can tell you, it's very, very difficult to play fast yet precise. If anyone comes to me saying it's easy maintaining a 200 bpm blast beat for 10 minutes I'd say you know very little about playing drums indeed. Sure, it's not complicated, but I've never seen a non-metal drummer maintain this speed for more than a few seconds.
@Tac-08 жыл бұрын
youd be surprised how many of the top metal drummers play wrong, which is just another evidence that playing fast isnt hard, even if you play sloppy you can get away with it. anyone can learn to play fast alot easier than playing the perfectly slow rythm songs. Ive never really practiced playing fast and i do it well. it just comes to you naturally with experience. so all the shit about jordison being a good drummer for example? i think he's average. most of his beats are intermediate at most ,but what makes him a good drummer is his music theory knowledge.
@TheJohannes448 жыл бұрын
tac0 That's why I specifically said playing very fast, yet precise is very difficult. I wasn't saying anything about what you could or couldn't get away with. Any style can be played sloppily. I don't like Jordison's playing one bit and that has nothing to do with what I said either. I say this just because Jordison's not the type of player I have in mind at all. If you're interested you can listen to "Invictus" by George Kollias. If what he's doing isn't difficult to replicate then I'm at a loss as to why no one seems to be able to do it. And it also doesn't matter how complicated or simple any particular beat is, it's about speed, precision, power, and stamina. Pretty much everybody can play a blast beat; that's not the point at all. I know from experience that trying to maintain blast beats at 200 bpm and higher absolutely wrecks your limbs. Sure, most players can do this for a few seconds, but the point is maintaining speed, precision and power consistently throughout an hour-long gig. If you don't practice playing this regularly, you will tire after 10-30 seconds and start falling behind.
@crimsun71868 жыл бұрын
A lot of drummers can play blast beats and double bass at 250+ bpm. Very few drummers can hold a steady beat at 12 bpm, as Derek Roddy demonstrated in his 12 bpm challenge.
@weathersytv35728 жыл бұрын
Following the music is definitely the first priority. That's something every musician needs to know. That's why when i learn or write a new song I start out with simple beats. doesn't mean you can't play the complicated stuff. It can add value to the song, but only if you know when and where to place it. Don't overdo it.
@pr0pov8 жыл бұрын
That is very well said, and it says it all about music.
@thirdgen3778 жыл бұрын
As the saying goes: "Sometimes less is more"
@Defensive_Wounds8 жыл бұрын
That is true, but less can also mean making it dull and generic.
@Bruce_Gruesome8 жыл бұрын
At some point beat blasting becomes generic.
@firelizard27 жыл бұрын
Meg White's seemingly telepathic connection to Jack White was incredible to witness live. Simple as the beats were, Jack is not a simple person to play with. Pretty incredible stuff.
@Thepunchdownking Жыл бұрын
Real
@denim987 жыл бұрын
Bad drummer drowns everyone and crashes every half a beat.
@JazzyJonas8 жыл бұрын
Any time someone tells me Ringo sucks, I ask two questions. 1. Do you like the Beatles? 2. What could you have done on drums to make their music better?
@richardeast33288 жыл бұрын
Your second question is great.
@07981848 жыл бұрын
Great questions!!
@pivasm8 жыл бұрын
I never touched a clarinet in my life, and I know Squidward sucks. So, the second question is bullshit. First is debatable, but also, probably, bullshit.
@WeWantYouToStay8 жыл бұрын
Ringo is very very bogstandard, doesn't matter how much money he makes
@robeads69138 жыл бұрын
You absolutely missed the point. He didn't say a word about how much Ringo makes - he was referring to his worth with regards to how he added value to the songs through artistic playing.
@kawabungadad89458 жыл бұрын
Despite playing fairly 'simple', Ringo has some crazy ass drum fills on some songs.
@johnbifulco7078 жыл бұрын
I totally agree. Namely come together. Iconic. But fun fact; in an interview Paul McCartney was asked if ringo was the best drummer in the work. He replied; ringo isn't even the best drummer in the Beatles. Lol!
@johnbifulco7078 жыл бұрын
World*
@DustyLinks8 жыл бұрын
No, that was a myth. He never said that. But Paul did do some cuts on the White Album, since Ringo quit when they recorded some songs.
@HabAnagarek8 жыл бұрын
E.g., Back in the U.S.S.R.
@duhhead108 жыл бұрын
I believe it was Lennon who said that Ringo wasn't the best drummer in the Beatles.
@zetybidnak7 жыл бұрын
A good drummer doesn't overwhelm the song with a beat.
@ClassicJukeboxBand3 жыл бұрын
The best drummers are the ones that can get the most possible amount of extra beats, strikes, fills and cymbal crashes in the shortest period of time. Here are some other helpful tips: Play as loud as you can. Especially in real small, echoey rooms. Be sure to play extremely fast whenever possible. Speed always adds energy to a song. Constantly change your beats. Add that variety, because the same beat gets boring after a while. Be sure to drink a lot, or get plenty of drugs in your system before playing. The old saying "I play better drunk or high" is true. Never take any criticism from you band mates or the audience. You are the drummer, and you know best. Try to play as many different fills and chops as you can. You want to show everybody possible how good you are. Never practice or prepare before playing a song or a gig. Half the fun is figuring out spontaneously what to play. Try to come up with a different drumbeat or style sometimes just before you play a song live. You will impress your band mates and the audience with your creativity. Never be consistent. Speed up, slow down, play loud, then quiet, skip a beat or go out of time, even during the same song. Variation is what makes you sound better. Make sure you have an attitude about your playing. Never take any crap from anybody. You are the professional drummer, and pros know what they are doing. Nobody is as qualified as you are in what your are doing... If you follow these steps, you will be inundated with more bands and gigs than you can handle... Maybe not...
@justinnaramor60503 жыл бұрын
Is this a joke? Or were you actually being serious? Well, your last sentence did say "or maybe not", so I suppose this means I should take it as a joke? ????
@ClassicJukeboxBand3 жыл бұрын
@@justinnaramor6050 It's totally a joke...these are the things I hate that drummers do...
@justinnaramor60503 жыл бұрын
@@ClassicJukeboxBand OK, that's what I figured :) hahaha!
@ekathe858 ай бұрын
The rest of the band members are spawns of Satan. Don't ever let them tune those instruments. Remember: there's no devil's pitchfork without pitch.
@arunashamal8 жыл бұрын
yea. a drummer who can keep the beat like a metronome is a hard find
@rjones68018 жыл бұрын
It's common knowledge that metronomes increase in speed as the audience increases...right?
@rjones68018 жыл бұрын
It's common knowledge that metronomes increase in speed as the audience increases...right?
@ColossalZonko8 жыл бұрын
? what ? are you high richard
@bloozedaddy8 жыл бұрын
not in Nashville...if you rush here you don't get work.
@alejandrotorres-py4wz8 жыл бұрын
and improvise tastefully over that metronomic quality. But at a minimum the drummer has to be like a clock
@-Vitalis-8 жыл бұрын
That's easy: 1) Anyone: good drummer. 2) Lars Ulrich.
@badumtss30678 жыл бұрын
Hey may be a bad drummer but he can sure as hell sue the fuck out of Napster
@jkrsun92188 жыл бұрын
Lars isnt that bad, he recently got a lot better and his simple repetive beats can be tough to keep for the whole song
@CosmicFuzzFM8 жыл бұрын
well he sure has bad taste in snare sounds (either that or he's too easily convinced by engineers/producers)
@-Vitalis-8 жыл бұрын
***** Butthurt in a nutshell LOL
@simonetanzi51038 жыл бұрын
+Jessi Krishka simple repetive beats?? his beats are mad! the main rhythms might sound simple, but you get lost at the first fill trying to follow him, meanwhile he still goes. And, to everybody: enough with this story! insulting Lars Ulrich is just another thing to be cool on the internet...
@khuret907 жыл бұрын
Best drummers are the ones with Humility...like Brandon Khoo
@Martin-zr2tb4 жыл бұрын
Best people 😂
@kempenglish7 жыл бұрын
A good drummer leaves after you pay him for the pizza.
@jackik14107 жыл бұрын
andy droid more like he's drumming on doors and spinning pizzas to throw them onto heated stone drums. his stick would be a little longer I think.
@sergiodrumeando6 жыл бұрын
SLAAAAAAYEEEEEEEEEER!!!
@JustHazardous4 жыл бұрын
@@greatbungblaster Shit, a terrible drummer would throat punch ole Kempwit
@five5x8 жыл бұрын
A good drummer knows how to serve the song, not himself.
@cjmahoney8 жыл бұрын
Also for those saying ringo or Meg white aren't "good," you're out of your mind and I'm thinking you're not getting a lot of session gigs. Take nick mason of pink Floyd. He admits himself that he's not the most technically proficient drummer. But can you imagine anyone else playing on dark side of the moon? He plays for the song.
@Lasse38 жыл бұрын
But on " The Wall " they had Porcaro, Toto's drummer playing the drums on Mother and many other tracks, in the actual studio album.
@cjmahoney8 жыл бұрын
+Hitashi son and appeice played on momentary lapse of reason. Which is why I mentioned dark side of the moon. :)
@cjmahoney8 жыл бұрын
+Hitashi son and appeice played on momentary lapse of reason. Which is why I mentioned dark side of the moon. :)
@Lasse38 жыл бұрын
Colin Mahoney And i mentioned The Wall, because that's the album Jeff Porcaro played on. .................................................
@mushroomjesus20688 жыл бұрын
Nick Mason is easily the best drummer of all time; Echoes Live at Pompeii is the best drumming I've ever heard. Buddy Rich couldn't even achieve the sound Mason has. To even mention Meg White in the same comment is appalling.
@WormtongueMaster7 жыл бұрын
a good drummer knows the word GENRE..
@Spenfen7 жыл бұрын
Just because two songs are in the same genre doesn't mean that they should have the same style of drumming
@JReyes-wh9wn6 жыл бұрын
THIS
@BrandonKhoo3 жыл бұрын
There are so many genres in the world. but very few drummers can pull off 90% of the genres, but there is one drummer, whom I think may have done it all, from Pop, to Rock, to Jazz, to Metal. His name is Vinnie Colaiuta.
@landonpeckham77523 жыл бұрын
@@BrandonKhoo I"d say Gregg Bissonette is also very versatile
@BrandonKhoo3 жыл бұрын
@@landonpeckham7752 I agree. ok, Vinnie and Gregg....
@Scotty-P3 жыл бұрын
What was the point of drums to begin with? They were primarily a military instrument, for maintaining rhythm, i.e, to keep the beat. Everything beyond that - as marvellous as it can be! - is an added bonus.
@mcmxi69823 жыл бұрын
lol. you are funny.
@tenpenny41898 жыл бұрын
When I first started I use to think to be a good drummer was all about the speed and complexity, with age & wisdom now I come to realize that it is yeah mainly what the guy said; appropriateness Is key. not to be a show off but having the capability to know that you can and add that flare into the song with.. appropriateness
@tenpenny41898 жыл бұрын
I'm grade 8 and simple beats are so therapeutic to me now
@stevieross14027 жыл бұрын
Rui Bonito How's it pointless?
@Claude-Vanlalhruaia7 жыл бұрын
Its not about the slow beat approach or the faster lane, its about what music you are playing. A slow up beat will not work well in hardcore metal genre and vice versa, and you have to choose your music before you even approach on your techniques. To me like this man in the video says its to serve the music you are playing and add your signature if you ever find one where its appropriate.
@NeutralAtJSP8 жыл бұрын
So wait, he's saying Ringo is good right? Cause that guy has such perfectly fitting drum lines
@SladeBallard8 жыл бұрын
He has perfectly fitting drum lines, as in, perfectly fitting the beats and tempo, not the song. He's drowning the whole song like that and it feels like a drum solo with background music. I thought his point was clear enough.
@NeutralAtJSP8 жыл бұрын
I meant, Ringo has such perfectly fitting drum lines. ;)
@gaddkeltner7 жыл бұрын
correct....his style fit the music to perfection
@billblackmon77047 жыл бұрын
You try it butthead and see where your lines end up.
@adboverture30807 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this, Thank You. As a Percussionist it made me think out of the box.
@HenryPerez_royal_hp7 жыл бұрын
If you really think about it, it takes a lot of finesse to play that beetles song on the drums, and I am not being sarcastic. there is a reason as to why Ringo is so successful! Have a look at my drumming idol Steve Gadd, same thing. He does the same thing over and over again, but dammit it work and it's really all you need!
@twist27237 жыл бұрын
Phil Rudd of AC/DC is another one.... less is more.
@HenryPerez_royal_hp7 жыл бұрын
Derek bates indeed!
@xreck5367 жыл бұрын
what is the song's name in 1:43 ?
@xreck5367 жыл бұрын
thank you! :)
@iamchillydogg7 жыл бұрын
Aiden Perez Because Ringo is left handed but plays a right handed kit.
@jambandbillyd8 жыл бұрын
So true and an excellent example of drumming that fits the song. Ringo did well at playing what his songs required. Music is sometimes best when it is simple.
@mickeye64288 жыл бұрын
Ringo isn't simple.
@jambandbillyd8 жыл бұрын
That's not what I wrote. I'm sure Ringo is very intelligent.
@mickeye64288 жыл бұрын
Jamband BillyD His Drumming isn't simple. His mind is. Ringo is actually fairly ignorant but he's so talented it doesn't matter.
@jambandbillyd8 жыл бұрын
I suppose one's opinion of simple vs complicated drumming depends on one's level of experience. Keep trying and maybe you'll be able to play this remedial drum part without training wheels.
@mickeye64288 жыл бұрын
Jamband BillyD I didn't see anything in this video I couldn't do. "In my life" was the most complex thing he played. It clearly isn't remedial.
@chrisdavidpham10 жыл бұрын
"What separates a good drummer from a bad drummer is how they approach the music" Amazing quote. Great words to follow to be a true good drummer.
@Mandilore897 жыл бұрын
This was a lesson I started to learn as a guitar player. I found that the best guitarists knew how to serve the song. They could be technically proficient but could also do it in a way that serves the song as well as knowing when to back off. From what I learned, you have to find that balance to know when to play simple and when to play complex.
@trumpetsphere7 жыл бұрын
Spot on explanation. I'm a professional trumpet player and you have given excellent advice and definition of what a "good" musician is to be. It's not about us.
@patrick-sprachenmusikstudi53519 жыл бұрын
I like Ringo as a drummer. He may not have the best abilities in the world to play crazy fast stuff but he has always a steady beat and knows how to play good fills. The example with "In My Life" showed his inventiveness, a nice drumsample that doesn't sound boring and serves excellently the song.
@lupang3359 жыл бұрын
+Mediantor also loved his playing in "The End"
@patrick-sprachenmusikstudi53519 жыл бұрын
***** Yes, he has the drive!
@nousernamesworking9 жыл бұрын
+Mediantor Don't forget Strawberry Fields Forever too. Love the drumming in that. Also, if you listen to the Anthology version, you get to hear a pretty awesome drum solo as John says "cranberry sauce" lol
@linkone118 жыл бұрын
+Mediantor I agree, been playing drums off and on for 45 years and I have borrowed more riffs from Ringo than anyone else. I've even made my 3 rules of Ringo drumming;1 keep the beat, 2 cue the chord changes, 3 do the fills. Follow that and musicians will be all over you
@slw598 жыл бұрын
+Mediantor Sometimes it's much harder to play drums on a "simple" song as opposed to going crazy fast. It's not a question of ability.
@Codgerism8 жыл бұрын
The best drummers are the ones that put out.
@jacobstravail8 жыл бұрын
calm down gramps don't have an MI
@existenceisrelative8 жыл бұрын
spring for some serious alcohol, and we'll see where things go.
@efesonugur41158 жыл бұрын
#dicksout4harambe
@caramonmajere4477 жыл бұрын
+Old Codger Your comment + your name = lolz²
@cinyarko3 жыл бұрын
This is a brilliant demonstration. It has the same enlightening effect that Victor Wootens video on "wrong notes" had on me. It's insane how obvious the advice sounds and yet many of us never thought about it that way.
@cinyarko3 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i9x7eNNyvsDOnHk.html that's the video I mentioned
@BrandonKhoo3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! many things are actually obvious to us. but we tend to not notice it because we are too near the element in itself. it took me many years to realise this... and im sure I've got much more to learn as well.. but Its the journey of discovery we should enjoy...
@bazzer1243 жыл бұрын
I think that in his entire career with the Beatles, Ringo took one drum solo and that was on the last side of the last album they ever made - Abbey Road. Technically, Ringo seemed like a fish out of water, a lefty playing a right-handed kit, but he was, without a doubt, the best (and perfect) drummer the Beatles could have ever asked for. Paul McCartney has said that from the first time he sat in on drums for them, they knew he was the perfect fit. His focus was always making the song better, period. Cheers....
@longrat67678 жыл бұрын
I suppose its about finding that middle ground - that sweet spot between serving the music and tastefully inserting your own character into the music :)
@connorferrand5278 жыл бұрын
That's it. That is abso-fucking-lutely it!
@longrat67678 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I mean, I know a drummer who is very capable but is so overly fixated on "serving the music" and the whole "less is more" thing that his playing is very tasteless and energetically flat because he's too scared to let his hair down, so to speak haha. Don't be like that guy but don't flood the music either :)
@HackSawSees8 жыл бұрын
If his playing is tasteless and flat, that's not serving the music either. Pretty much by definition.
@andreww97268 жыл бұрын
Got that right, Tomoko
@MonkyMonk7298 жыл бұрын
@ Jeremy Pl: There are actually more than a few clowns out there who will tell you with a straight face that Dave Grohl sucks. Yeah- sure he does, pal. And I suppose next you're going to tell me you're not a dipshit...
@ungoliath698 жыл бұрын
How do you know a drummer is at your door? the knocks keep getting faster.
@SirBelmerD8 жыл бұрын
You're mistaking it with a guitarist. A drummer keeps their tempo.
@brandonquod49108 жыл бұрын
+Belmer Fdez-Cid coming from someone who plays drums and guitat i can confirm drummers are much better at keeping a beat
@SirBelmerD8 жыл бұрын
Voila!
@XSimonEntertainmentX8 жыл бұрын
+Belmer Fdez-Cid As a guitarist I feel offended by this. Mostly because it's true.
@SirBelmerD8 жыл бұрын
Hahahaahahahah
@davidtangredi96507 жыл бұрын
You hit the nail on the head Brandon... sometimes restraint is harder than blasting away!!!
@BrandonKhoo3 жыл бұрын
Restraint is not crashing every bar. LOL I still sometimes forget and do it from time to time, and then when i listen back to the performance, i kick myself. LOL
@tomr5187 жыл бұрын
Im pleased he said meg white is a good drummer cos she really is
@Drummer_LJ5 жыл бұрын
She isn't a good drummer, she's a good "White Stripes" drummer. Her drumming is very clunky but perfect to assist Jack White.
@spartandrew86725 жыл бұрын
Honestly she wouldn’t make it in another band nearly as good
@marc79705 жыл бұрын
She wouldn’t make it in any other band
@Munedawg4 жыл бұрын
THe's the next generation of mo tucker.
@TheMusicalElitist3 жыл бұрын
No she isn't.
@z3idd8 жыл бұрын
Problem is though: Meg White can't hold the fuckin beat
@tylerwalker70848 жыл бұрын
Well, yeh. But, I think the point of this was that most people's perception of good and bad is skewed. She's not good, but she's not good for a different reason than what the person in the audience stated.
@z3idd8 жыл бұрын
the13asterd yea true
@_JellyDonut_8 жыл бұрын
Yeah but she can rock a show, that's gotta count for something. Plus she's fun to watch, although I'll admit that may just be because she has big juggs that bounce while she plays.
@Hay4n8 жыл бұрын
I'd say that her off beat playing helps make the white stripes sound the way they do. The sound they always went for was really raw, 'childish' sounding. And the out of time playing adds to that sound in my opinion.
@Jethromcsheepherder8 жыл бұрын
she is replacing Neal peart in rush
@EattherichBuddy9 жыл бұрын
There are bad bands with good drummers, but no good bands with lousy drummers.
@JoshLikeCrazy9 жыл бұрын
Metallica
@EattherichBuddy9 жыл бұрын
JoshLikeCrazy Heavy Metal may indeed be the exception to the rule, for many. I used to like Metal too but broadened my tastes as age crept up on me. I think it was Count Bassie who said there are only two types of music, good and bad. I have never seen a good dance band with a lame drummer or a hot Latin act with lousy percussionists but I have seen great blue grass, country and folk acts with no drummer at all. Now I am just confused, thanks Josh. Cheers!
@pacun19 жыл бұрын
JoshLikeCrazy why is he a bad drummer for metallica?
@billystark38169 жыл бұрын
pacun1 cause he sucks
@pacun19 жыл бұрын
oh no reason behind, just cause? really, thats how u back up a comment?
@ryforce37 жыл бұрын
"Serve the song, serve the music." I love this! As a (VERY) amateur drummer myself, this is exactly how I've always felt about it. "Good" drumming is neat every now and then for a solo, but not when it's overkill. I also consider Ringo one of the greatest around - and not because of his flash. Ringo served the song. And so many of The Beatles' songs would not be the same without him.
@inscrutablewut7 жыл бұрын
Technical ability =/= skill
@xfsoz20117 жыл бұрын
inscrutablewut you're not completely right. Technical skill is definitely very important.
@themanguy21104 жыл бұрын
Abraham Shelly But having a lot of technical skill without knowledge of when to use it does not necessarily mean that you are a good drummer.
@randywoolum26488 жыл бұрын
I personally think Ringo is one of the most underrated drummers in history. Listen to the drummers of the 50's, then listen to Ringo's drumming on the early 60's Beatles stuff such as "Please Please Me", "She Loves You", "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" etc. IMHO He's the real father of solid rock drumming. Keith Moon was soon to follow, but he was on the complete opposite end of the field than Ringo.....Moon was much more wild, and showey, and sometimes IMHO overplayed. Then about 5 years later came John Bonham, and he revolutionized, not so much solid rock drumming, but technical power rock drumming. Then about 5 years after Bonham came AVH with "Hot For Teacher", and that began the whole double bass, speed playing style drumming, then after that started coming the double bass thrash metal drumming, along with a resurrection of the Bonham style power drumming with the Seattle Alternative/Grunge music.....I know there were countless other amazing drummers during that timeline, but I'm mentioning the ones that really left a mark in the different generations of music. Neil Peart is definitely a mention, but I don't see where he created a certain style, he was just so fucking quick and right on the money with his fills and beats. I haven't yet really seen a drummer who plays like Peart.....Peart is one of a kind. Same with Steward Copeland.....he was amazing at his off meter reggae style drumming. Both Peart and Copeland are absolutely amazing, but they're on their own because I've not really seen anyone else copy their style too much.......Then Meg White came out, and everyone puked lol
@terrythekittie8 жыл бұрын
That was Brandon Koo's point, that Ringo played economically and tastefully according to the Beatles song at the time, in this case, 'In My Life', George Harrison was the same when he played guitar....I might have misread his (Brandon Koo's) audience, but when he played drums wildly to 'In My Life' some in the audience seemed to think this was better, when in fact it was drowning the song .
@CribNotes8 жыл бұрын
I don't think so. I think they were applauding and laughing cause he perfectly demonstrated his point.
@2TUFSS8 жыл бұрын
I can't fault your analysis on Ringo or Peart, but Alex Van Halen did not pioneer double-bass drumming in any context, he was a follower not a leader. Double bass drumming was used in a rock context since the days of Ginger Baker and Ian Paice in the 60s and early 70s, and achieved (relatively) mainstream popularity with Phil Taylor's warp-speed performance on Motorhead's Overkill album in 1979. From then onwards, it was employed by many metal drummers, even before Metallica, Slayer and other thrash bands hit the scene. Plenty of British speed metal bands of the early 80s had fleet-footed drummers, and it was these bands which inspired thrash, leading to Metallica's debut in 1983.
@randywoolum26488 жыл бұрын
+2TUFSS But I'm referring to drummers who did something that was put on the map. AVH's "Hot for teacher" intro is more well known to the world than any double bass from Ginger Baker I personally don't recall any Cream song that was all double bass like hot for teacher. I don't recall too many songs from the early 80's and prior that were. Not saying there wasn't, but I can't recall them.
@2TUFSS8 жыл бұрын
Ian Gillan (Deep Purple) did it with "Fireball" way back in 1971, Phil Taylor (Motorhead) did it with "Overkill" in 1979, Les Binks (Judas Priest) did it with "Exciter" in 1978. They all enjoyed huge popularity at the time and arguably did more to popularise the technique than anyone else. Countless legions of metal bands, some well known now, others not so well known, adopted the technique after hearing Les playing that double-bass intro on Exciter. It truly was a landmark moment. Van Halen was a great hard rock band, but in terms of drumming technique, they were playing catch-up. Eddie, as the musician who revolutionised rock guitar, was the innovator in that band.
@cjmahoney8 жыл бұрын
When I was a young drummer (10-25 or so) I used to emulate Neil Peart. And I couldn't get a gig. Now - I do my best to keep it simple, lock in with the bassist and play groove and feel... I now have my pick pf gigs in NYC. don't be a hero.... just play a tasty part that fits the music and you'll always get a job as a drummer
@Trickshot728 жыл бұрын
Wisdom born of experience, that's the best there is. Thanks for your insight, brother.
@jonathangwynne19177 жыл бұрын
It is great to be able to play like Neil Peart. The more sticks in your bag, the better. But as a wise person once said - knowing what notes to play is important but it is just as important to know what notes NOT to play.
@xreck5367 жыл бұрын
what is the song's name in 1:43 ?
@johnnhoj67497 жыл бұрын
In My Life from Rubber Soul.
@braedensteele31842 жыл бұрын
Ringo could do whatever you asked him on the Beatles. And he could do it perfectly. He easily could have been a lead drummer on another highly successful band and be the vocal point of the music, that’s how good he was. But the Beatles asked him to be the anchor for their music, and he obliged and is a key reason they are so amazing all time
@BrandonKhoo2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree. He put the music before himself.
@ZinsWorld5 жыл бұрын
I don't know why but I still go back so much and re-watch this because it's such a good point and message
@r.broderick22229 жыл бұрын
Best answer ever. Too many young drummers think it's all about who can play the loudest, the fasted or has the best chops....sad.
@alexz27029 жыл бұрын
Ringo star's not even the best drummer in the beatles!
@ape8579 жыл бұрын
um, well he did play most of their songs except a few as well as being with them when they became huge. I would say he is their best drummer, they even let go of the best guy because he wasn't good enough.
@elmud9 жыл бұрын
ape857 Alex Z was citing a John Lennon's joke.
@JohnAllanification9 жыл бұрын
Lukeblueslover and he was hurt for knowing that he was losing his band. i think that Paul was the person who'm really disrespected Ringo ( hey jude/white album session's).
@liennto9 жыл бұрын
Lukeblueslover Apparently John never said that. It was just some comedian in 1983.
@RSBAND089 жыл бұрын
liennto No that's a direct quote from John when he was asked about Ringo winning an award as best drummer from some magazine.
@juanmanuelcorrea76737 жыл бұрын
This guy is totally on point. I really love how he explains that the job of a MUSICIAN is to play what the song requires. If I were to point out an example, I'd choose the song Californication by Red Hot Chilli Peppers. You have this very mellow-chill vibe and style kind-of-song. Now someone that thinks a "good" guitarist is that playing like a virtuoso with exotic scales and techniques would think that a good solo is fast and exotic blah blah blah. But this song's solo is considered one of the best in rock-funk history for a reason. IT MATCHES THE SONG.
@Marius-vw9hp7 жыл бұрын
The drums for White Stripes is perfect.
@flacidhouse3506 жыл бұрын
Perfectly shitty maybe. If it is their goal to make the world's worst drum tracks as some sort of modern art experiment then well done.
@nickparadies3506 жыл бұрын
Flacid House congratulations, you missed the entire point of the white stripes music and of the video
@JulezNDrumz9 жыл бұрын
I love your video! It says it all!!!! ALSO, what kind of snare is that, specifically?
@BrandonKhoo9 жыл бұрын
Julian Simons Hi Julian! It is a Mapex Black Panther "Blade" snare drum!! Thank you for watching!
@icanhasfreecat9 жыл бұрын
Brandon Khoo I like those Black Panther snares. My favorite snare in the world however is the one I heard in Scorpion's Still Loving You, that snare sounds friggin powerful and clean.
@ifihadsmesumchicken62768 жыл бұрын
+Leo SigloXX thank the sound man
@jacobstravail8 жыл бұрын
and you're not a good drummer
@DavidGamero8 жыл бұрын
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@9999plato9 жыл бұрын
A good drummer plays in the pocket. Thats the most important thing. Period.
@kaboomeow9 жыл бұрын
As a metal drummer, even I say this is truth.
@superchanneljim9 жыл бұрын
Zach Johnson As a drummer you should say this. A good metal drummer plays in the pocket too.
@jonp48469 жыл бұрын
Pocket awareness (along with other attributes) is what I love about cats like (in no particular order) Billy Cobham , Rod Morgenstein, Will Kennedy, Omar Hakim, Dave DiCenso, Harvey Mason, Mark Walker, Larry Finn, Tom Brecthlein, Kim Wakefield and Steve Michaud, to name a few...
@aaroozz9 жыл бұрын
im not entirely sure if i understand this..how am i suppose to play in a pocket? what kind of pants are going to be big enough for my drums?
@TheProgGuy9 жыл бұрын
John Bonham, not the most technical player in the world, but one of the best. He can really feel a beat and play in the pocket. One of the best rock drummers in history.
@mypenisisunbelievablysmall56506 жыл бұрын
Well said, you don't have to do blast beats every two seconds to be a good drummer
@SeanLaMontagne7 жыл бұрын
One of the most helpful videos I have ever seen on KZfaq related to improving your playing.
@holygroove29 жыл бұрын
Bold statement "The singer will try and make you think that they are the most important part"... they are important because they have the lyrics, but they are are one part of the whole picture. Very well said.
@BrandonKhoo9 жыл бұрын
Nothing against singers. I love them but in a band, everyone plays and "Equal" and important role, if one member doesn't, the song falls apart, than that defeats the purpose of being in a band. Thank you for your kind words.
@Jamminn55510 жыл бұрын
Beautifully presented and said, Brandon! And with fun humor as well.
@BrandonKhoo9 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@bellbrass Жыл бұрын
Still coming back to watch this - the lesson here is pure gold.
@markuschelios68917 жыл бұрын
Good drummers don't shit up the music with their bullshit.
@flacidhouse3506 жыл бұрын
If only good guitar players could learn this.
@Timliu926 жыл бұрын
Flacid House Unfortunately guitar players, from my experience, are the most guilty of this. I have met a number of guitarists who think they are 'making the songs better' by adding a ton of unnecessary Malmsteen-esque speed licks into a tune that requires a lot more finesse and subtlety. Some of them even diss the original guitarists of those songs for 'not playing at their best'. Seriously, when will some people understand that you are serving the music and not the other way around?
@gamer2639 жыл бұрын
I think people missed the point of this guy's answer. A good drummer is someone that does not show off their skills or tries to be the star of the song. A good drummer is someone that will lay off the throttle and play stuff the song calls for. Simple grooves lock down a beat which is always important. If you have a drummer that tries to play complicated and fast beats, the whole band will be thrown off and the attention goes to the drummer's skill, not the song. It is the same thing for the vocalist, guitarist and bassist. Having a guitar player that tries to show off during a song will shift focus from the song to the guitarist. Simplicity is key to making memorable songs, progressions and grooves.
@jw114329 жыл бұрын
Having done the band thing, I can 100% emphatically agree with this. Drummers, in my experience, have a tendency to serve their ego rather than the songs. I've gotten bored playing dropped D rhythm power chords, but it was what the song required. Every drummer I've played with always had to play the damn songs like they were expecting Danny Carrey to be listening for a critique post-performance.
@danielz9059 жыл бұрын
I try not to do that but it's just so much fun :p
@DumpThump9 жыл бұрын
jw11432 Drummers are worse than guitar players. So annoying. Critiques on every little piece of everything.
@darrylcobb98579 жыл бұрын
Darp Barpson The only thing worse than Guitar Players are singers. Drummers are generally the only ones with jobs.
@OhFishyFish7 жыл бұрын
How to tell a good drummer and a bad drummer? One played in The Beatles and made the world as we know it today. The other one doesn't do much more than write shit about the first one on the internet.
@timvermeersch83447 жыл бұрын
OhFishyFish Very good !
@electric_alex7 жыл бұрын
you mean how to tell a famous and not famous drummer right?
@TheLuismaBeaTle7 жыл бұрын
OhFishyFish ringo's a mediocre musician bro
@magicallamas7 жыл бұрын
TheLuismaBeaTle Ringo when compared to his band mates was a mediocre musician, he was playing with the Beatles! As a drummer, he's one of the best of all time. Even John said he was the heart of the group!
@Moreion7 жыл бұрын
+america dolly To be fair, John also said that Ringo wasn´t even the best drummer on the band XD
@gregmoore53207 жыл бұрын
Thank You Sir. Well said. As a drummer, I think people have a misunderstanding of what my job is: I'm a time keeper, and a compliment to my fellow musicians. The band isn't built around me.
@cristiansosa15129 жыл бұрын
Nicko McBrain. The perfect combination between skills, technique, and approach. Though I'm not going to say he *is the best*.
@pbaker71609 жыл бұрын
There is no best. Could you imagine Nicko playing on a record for an artist like Jill Scott or John Legend? Never. I would say there is probably a "most versatile" drummer and that would be Vinnie Colaiuta hands down. He can play anything from traditional jazz to death metal and do all styles flawlessly.
@cristiansosa15129 жыл бұрын
Paul Baker "Though I'm not going to say he is the best."
@metallicarocks9119 жыл бұрын
Nicko is a great drummer, but I think Gavin Harrison takes the cake for my favourite drummer.
@gabridish9 жыл бұрын
metallicarocks911 y no Bonham?
@metallicarocks9119 жыл бұрын
Gabriel Freire He was quite innovative for his time.
@fuckingkidsthesedays8 жыл бұрын
well said. another perfect example would be john densmore
@DMSProduktions8 жыл бұрын
Yes, Amazing drummer, really kept The Doors humming!
@bradwakey90Ай бұрын
I’ve been watching KZfaq videos for 14 years or whatever it is, and this is my favourite video. Perfectly explained how to not “over drum” a song. Many drummers should take this advice!
@jalphabet57 жыл бұрын
Great lesson. It's not about speed or tricks, it's about the music, the song. If you can't accomplish keeping time, you're not a drummer.
@joshmartins5608 жыл бұрын
Phil Rudd..great drummer...Ringo Starr..great drummer...Dave Grohl..great drummer..they all play what is right for the song! They don't play to impress other drummers.
@azraygun9 жыл бұрын
Thank you Brandon Khoo...You are exactly right.
@BrandonKhoo9 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and appreciating Raymond! :-)
@colinwhite67193 жыл бұрын
Nicely put. You always serve the song. If it needs to be busy, fine, but if needs to be simple, you do it.
@BrandonKhoo3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for getting it Colin. =-) There are some how missed the point completely.
@SuperStig237 жыл бұрын
It's really easy, ask the drummer to bring a basic (Ringo-Steve Jordon) type kit to the audition, if they won't go to the next guy, IMHO the larger the kit the worse the drummer, double bass drums and a wall of Cymbals and toms is usually a red flag that the guy just want's to make a lot of noise,Of course there are fantastic drummers with huge kits and they REALLY know how use them but those type of players only do lucrative studio work or play on tour with big artists for $ thousands a day.
@sixstarhorizon2956 жыл бұрын
SuperStig23 Yep. Having a huge drum kit can be very good if you can use every single little thing to its fullest potential. But if you cannot make a basic 2 tom kit with a single bass sound good, you are a shitty drummer.
@TheBoundBowman3 жыл бұрын
Nick Mason?
@theRealAV8r9 жыл бұрын
Yup, I knew you were going to say this, and I agree 100%. This lesson was taught me by a mentor of mine. Serve the music, not your own ego. This is especially true for us rhythm section players (I'm a bassist). Our FIRST duty is keeping time, the fills and fancy stuff is dictated by the needs/wishes of those in charge of the music. Could be a producer, vocalist, whatever - serve the music. Worst drummer I ever worked with absolutely dominated everyone, and worse, he sped up when he got excited.
@MultiUnreal9 жыл бұрын
theRealAV8r Kim Deal had the same approach. Serve the song, not yourself.
@nathandrums09 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more man. I've got a friend (we go to a youth group together) and we're both In the band, and the pastor talked to us both, and the pastor described me as a pocket drummer. Which means I play stuff way more simply, the my friend got described as a crazy drummer who pretty much Overdoes everything lol , plus he has a huge ass ego when it comes to playing drums, (he plays guitar too) he once told me I needed to start using a metronome during one of the practices.. And I was busy that week so I didn't get to practice the songs a lot. But when he plays it's always off time and I just find it funny that he told me something he should be doing lol
@theRealAV8r9 жыл бұрын
A7XfoREVer2013 Funny how the guys with big egos never see their own flaws, even when told. Known a few myself lol
@nathandrums09 жыл бұрын
Yup! Couldn't agree more lol
@zararity9 жыл бұрын
theRealAV8r Been there, done that, sacked them!
@cyborgagent610 жыл бұрын
Best way to explain the point of the video: The best ways to tell a good one from a bad one? Technique. Technique is EVERYTHING in the drumming world. Yes playing fast is a plus, but that doesn't make you the best drummer out there. Speed means nothing if there is no technique to it, meaning double bass is nothing without a good beat to follow, so don't go and believe someone who plays double bass is a god. Some out there think "Oh well Joey Jordinson is nothing but speed and should watch this video". Not true. For those who REALLY know about Joey, know that his speed may be what he's known for, but Joey actually has TONS of technique and was also a percussion instructor for a while. Why he doesn't show it more often? Slipknot's riffs. The way Joey plays is basically the only way to match up to Slipknot's songs, even though Joey shows a lot of technique in a good bit of their songs. Why people assume otherwise is idiotic. Trust me, I thought the same thing before. Main point is don't waste your time trying to be a really fast drummer. Practice technique over EVERYTHING in drumming. Playing style and technique is the absolute number 1 thing.
@Mr.Bob_Dobalina10 жыл бұрын
A good drum song by Slipknot with Jordison I think would be Confessions, not a great song but the drums Joey does in that song is awesome I think.
@cyborgagent610 жыл бұрын
Trever Dancer I think Joey is outstanding on all of his songs, although I hate that sometimes when he played solos, he got carried away with speed. People think he's all speed but he's FAR from it
@murlinevans372210 жыл бұрын
Joey is not my thing but I appreciate he brings the heat to that music that no one else could. My problem is his double Bass licks sound like wet tampons slung against a drumhead at high speed. That's another issue. But yes, he has loads of technique. There's a fine line between a drummer stating his "voice" and adding that to the music and knowing when to GTF out da way. If you're playing with John Lennon, Paul McCartney and George Harrison or Keif Richards and those cats, why screw everything up with your latest rudiment based-32-note tom to hat fill?
@cyborgagent610 жыл бұрын
***** I never hear any sluggish double bass from Joey unless it's his most recent live concerts, because ever since the last album he just didn't care, that's why he left the band. Lets just hope that his replacement is amazing
@murlinevans372210 жыл бұрын
He will have to to be. And the doubles aren't sluggish at all. I just never dug that "speed metal" double bass "clicky" sound is all. It's okay, like I say, it fits the music. I don't play double b so I can't do that shit. I forgot what this post was about?? Technique? For arguments sake, would you say Keith Moon had more or less than Joey? I would say he was probably weak on technique, but had superb musicality. But you're right, it's a big limitation. I only realized the importance of such things when I became bored out of my skull around age 30 with the kind of myopic drumming I was doing. Then it was like - "Ah! That's how they do that!" I've seen Joey warm up before a show and he's a serious musician, i just wonder if he's an equally badass jazz cat or can funk up the place and make people want to dance. I think that's the real test. Only other drummers analyze drummers and their "technique" to this extent. Bottom line. Does the drummer make you want to fucking dance? Bang your head? I think the former is the mark of a more mature, rounded and powerful player........but....I.....digresss.......
@stefanoliessi87227 жыл бұрын
Brandon makes a very good solid point. As I was beginning to drum I learned that the difference between a good drummer and great drummer was knowing when to "shut up" (not play) ergo... play for the music.
@longde7 жыл бұрын
"In spite of all things, the Beatles could really play music together when they weren't up tight, and if I get things going Ringo knows where to go just like that and he does well.", Lennon, 1971. Brandon Khoo is giving a tremendously important advice on this fine video. The drummer must be a musician that serves the song and that knows how to 'glue' the drums into it.
@MonkyMonk7298 жыл бұрын
Aww man, I was curious what your answer was going to be to the Meg White question. (Although I'm pretty sure it was going to be the same answer you gave for Ringo). I'm not a huge White Stripes fan by any means, and I can understand why people might consider her a "bad" drummer if they only focus on her technique and simplicity. But I think she is fantastic and I admire her approach. She plays with a unique, child-like, primal, almost reckless energy that I think serves their music beautifully.
@globalmonkey0078 жыл бұрын
Meg is a shit drummer. She can't keep basic time, she has no groove, and at best she has the technical skills of an average junior high school drummer. Jack is the great equalizer because he can make even a shitty drummer almost sound on point because he is so awesome.
@gw88138 жыл бұрын
You sound like Jack White is your friend and Meg hurt his feelings. "Cheer up, Jack. You don't need her bro, you've got me!"
@atlashorne56558 жыл бұрын
honestly, I think meg DOES have skills - if you listen to White Stripes songs, the drumming, while simple, goes well with the vocals and bass and guitar, and thats what matters. She played drums in a way that worked for the songs, ergo she is a good drummer. Complex? no. Do I think that she could do more complex drumming? I dont know. But I know it was not neccesary for the White Stripes, and that her contribution was just fine. I cannot stand people who focus on technique and complexity rather than the actual functionality. If its simple, but it works, why change it?
@tbcass8 жыл бұрын
globalmonkey007 A bad drummer is either one that can't keep time or plays stuff that is wrong for the music. Meg White is not a shit drummer because she can keep time. She's not a great drummer because that's all she seems capable of doing.
@hellNo1168 жыл бұрын
exactly... she is not playing for megadeth for instance... you dont need to play like you are in a thrash band if you are not in a thrash band (lars may vary). also ac dc's drums are simple noone is giving them a hard time. (yeah i know they are more complex than seven nation army he refers to in the video, i am not deaf.
@sighermike10 жыл бұрын
I never have paid attention to Ringo's beats but watching you play this made me realize how genius the drum parts on this song are. Assuming Ringo actually played them. You know the Beatles and guest musicians who were never credited on the albums. But your message is solid and very well spoken. Everyone should learn this one point. No single part is better than the sum in a song.
@ronfowlermusic9 жыл бұрын
Uh, no, Ringo is definitely the drummer on that song. All those rumours about Ringo not playing on their records come from people that just refuse to accept how good he is. You could name the Beatles songs he doesn't play on on one hand.
@ramirreyes64149 жыл бұрын
***** Well Purdie, from what I read is said to have played on an early American release of early Beatle songs BEFORE Ringo became their official drummer and on a Sgt. Pepper cover by the Bee Gees. Ringo's sound is so distinctive of him and if it was Purdie or some other drummer on a Beatle track, it would have sounded different in terms of the feel, the timekeeping between the beats and the fills (unique to every drummer). Purdie's sound was more funky and uses ghost notes on the snare with left hand plus the high hat groove which gave birth to the famous Purdie shuffle, very different to the Ringo sound evident throughout Beatle recordings. Ringo is 74 so he is not the drummer he once was. He is also reported to have had an arm surgery so I could understand why he's easing himself a bit while he performs now. Not convinced of Ringo? Listen to a song called "I'm Gonna Sit Right Down and Cry Over You" that The Beatles covered in 1962. Also watch and listen to The Beatles' performance at Washington DC in 1964. Ringo used to be a beast.
@ronfowlermusic9 жыл бұрын
Ramir Reyes if the legendary Purdie played on ANY Beatles recording, it would have been the stuff Pete Best originally played on - stuff they recorded with Tony Sheridan for Polydor in Germany. The only EMI session Ringo didn't play on was the first one, for Love Me Do/P.S. I Love You - and that was only because George Martin had heard Best's playing and already decided to use a session man for the first recordings. Ringo played on everything else, other than a couple things like Ballad of John and Yoko - that was just John and Paul as a duo.
@ramirreyes64149 жыл бұрын
***** Its not "air drumming". He is still hitting the real drums, only that he isn't doing much of the tricks anymore and his sound gets buried on the sound mix with the other drummer's sound being imposed louder. However, he is still the drummer for studio recordings of his latest albums such as "Y Not" which he did some great stuff like with the song called "Time".
@ramirreyes64149 жыл бұрын
Air drumming is not hitting the drums and not making any sound at all. The drums on the album tracks of Ringo still has the distinctive timing and sound of him, particularly on the fills and the high hat Its unique to every drummer. Had it been another drummer or a sessioner on those album drum tracks, the fills and the timing between the notes would have been different. Also the drums I hear were not that technical and precise with some off beat and loose 60's grooves which pretty much gives off Ringo character and signature. If it was another drummer on a Ringo song, the drums would sound more controlled, precise, technical and would have a different feel and taste between the fills even if the drummer was trying to imitate Ringo. His touring drummer, Gregg Bissonette praises his work on the Beatle days so he must have been that good before. If you haven't yet watched the 1964 Beatles performance at Washington DC, I suggest you do so right now.
@d.e.b.b57885 жыл бұрын
I just watched another video which said, one of the most important things a musician can learn, is when NOT to play. It made me understand a great deal about how great songs were made.