lol sidequest always thought that was a platform for games on the oculus quest

Rand was written off the show, she was forced out and essentially fired after being sexually assaulted by one of the execs/producers who she resisted . I dont believe she ever revealed who it was. Everyone knew about it at the time. The scene in the Motion Picture after the transporter accident, Kirk turns to Rand and says "It wasnt your fault, Rand"... since years ago women, because of what they wore or said, were the ones to be blamed for such sexual assaults. She never recovered from what happened in hollywood, she was essentially black listed.

Yeah I always get chills when I watch that scene

That's what the Chris Pine version tried to do

And now he's nearly a 100 and has just been to space.... again..... but for real

I guess it's knowing who wrote and directed the scene is what makes it come off as a bit weird for the character.

It's also odd, when you consider that growing old was one of the themes in the previous movies.

I enjoyed them a lot as a kid too. I wonder if they hold up.

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People hate on Shatners acting but honestly his portrayal of Kirk is the main reason Star Trek ever lasted past the 1960s. Don't bite the hand that feeds you :\

All you’d have to go off of is the first half of the original series’ first season, The Motion Picture and the first two seasons of The Next Generation.

That's Gene Dead'nburied.

The short of the Long will be: "Star Trek has evolved and grow best WITHOUT the input of Gene Roddenberry. Often reflecting the mindset of cultural sensibilities of the time, Star Trek has striving to be of that time. The current generation of Star Trek TV an Movies continues this but mostly could be easily accused of being 'too smart for its audience'. The subtleties of character development and arcs, thematics and general storytelling are easily lost on audiences who may know older episodes by heart but are frequently incapable of watching and comprehending anything new. Or is attacked for politics not connected to the show simply to argue. But if anything, in 20-30 years, this generation of Star Trek will be a time capsule of just how out of touch the audience is with Star Trek, forgetting it is entertainment and not bias confirmation."

I was kind of upset with Kirk just pulling the rug out from under Deckers feet as Captain. Star Fleet would make that decision , not Admiral Kirk. I know Admiral Kirk was given the Enterprise by Admiral Nogura, but Star Fleet would have notified Captain Decker.

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The character is diminished by being coopted by an egoist with little interest in fleshing it out.

He wants to shag that guy from Game of Thrones?

Let the mountain come for Captain Kirk.

I always thought it was a great idea but assumed it wouldn’t be any good.

YES! THANK YOU

That's a very good observation :)

@@RowanJColeman Thank you =) Also I saw a few comments on ST 2009 when it released that he wasn't the bar fight type. Hey remember Picard? Remember how he got stabbed in a fight he started? Bullshit lol.

You make some excellent points here. But I am with you, I didn't enjoy the reboot movies, mostly because they were to focused on CGI effects and action over character and solid thought provoking stories. But the difference of Kirk having a dad in one universe and not in the other would have an effect, which is why Pike becomes his surrogate father. However my biggest gripe is that because they insisted on telling Kirk's story from before he joined Starfleet they left themselves with no other way to get him into command of the Enterprise for the next movies other than promoting a Cadet to Captain. It looked ridiculous on screen and makes no sense what so ever and shows the lack of real planning that went into this ... or the fact they simply didn't care and rammed the stupidity through figuring no one would care, lol.

No more JJ Trek. No more. Please.

Yes, it has been stated that the average age of a human in Star Trek by the 23rd/24th centuries in the Primary timeline is around 150 years. Dr. McCoy for an example is still alive by the time of Star Trek TNG at 137 and in beta canon sources is alive beyond the time of Star Trek Nemesis at over 154.

I'm planning on some in depth mini-documentary style Retrospectives in the near future to max out your Trek video enjoyment :)

Well my TOS Retrospective was 50 minutes long and my TNG Retrospective will probably be about 90 minutes haha

@@RowanJColeman I do love the TOS retrospective. But that 90 minute TNG retrospective sounds super dope!

To do that, he would need to mention the classic show, which he doesn't seem to be familiar with.

I have a Lore Evolution planned on The Daleks.

@@Blartyboy I've actually become more familiar with Classic Who recently :)

@@RowanJColeman Well then, by all means, exterminate!

A Whovolution, if you will.

I read the Return. Seemed forgettable. Haven’t read a trek book since.

I'm planning on some in depth mini-documentary style Retrospectives in the near future. Perhaps those will peak your interest too :)

I love Star Trek, but I really love Stargate.

@@7club795 I don't know why I can't really get into Star Trek. It might be the "out manned, out gunned" desperate theme of Stargate that I like which is why Voyager was the most compelling Star Trek series for me so far (with the exception of the new movie trilogy).

@@KevinACarroll1996 I dont know if the out manned out gunned aspect of star gate actually holds any weight, a few humans with a fraction of their peoples resources consistently take down ancient empires and increasingly over powered enemies. They designed built launched and replaced a fleet of space war ships in less time than the entire might of the US navy and a sizable chunk of civilian contractors are able to produce a new class of incrementally advanced submarines! Theres zero reason whatsoever for this also, why is it we are fielding entire armies and armada, setting up outposts across multiple galaxies but its still a secret from the world??

@@DrewLSsix I think it's the initial underdog theme that gets me hooked for the later adventures. As you said, they build an entire space fleet very fast, but I overlook how unrealistic that is due to the sense of progress from Earth's first steps off world to becoming a major player in the galaxy. I don't know of many scifi properties that have that kind of progression (maybe that's because I have only seen bad scifi shows and movies).

Small bit of Trivia Rodenberry's Photo was used in the Star trek Enciclopidia under the name Captain Robert April(who was incharge of San Francisco Fleet Yards and the USS Enterprise being built there.) As for the Hornblower link, it has been done better in other SciFi one of the best is the Honor Harrington Series good books

@@StevenHouse1980 Not sure Harrington is really a good Hornblower analogue either, I think she's a bit too whiter than white as well. Perhaps the worst example of the Hornblower in Spaaace trope that doesn't really "get" Hornblower IMO is Nicholas Seafort in the novels by a chap called Feintuch.

That's actually a great idea. But I'll wait until Strange New Worlds comes out :)

@@RowanJColeman I can't wait to see how they expand on his story!

Its a bit bold to say that a person is incapablenof feeling something. Especially temporarily. And this isn't Kirk, not TOS Kirk, they make that clear right away. TOS Kirk probably didn't have the crisis of confidence that Beyond Kirk did because he didnt lose his father at birth. Still, the prime Kirk did have his own internal crises. So its something that is certainly built into the character.

@@DrewLSsix You make a good point, Prime Kirk had his father when he was growing up, I had forgotten that. However I still feel they did a sloppy job of giving the character depth. He is a maverick in the first movie, fighting authority because he believe his way is best and he is rewarded in the end by a promotion from Cadet to Captain (which in itself is absolutely impossible and so f**king stupid I wanted to kill the writer when I saw that on screen. But they HAD to do that so he was in command of the Enterprise in future movies. It just shows terrible planning on their part). Then in 'Into Darkness' they put him up against an opponent equally as much of a maverick, equally disdainful of authority but smarter and better than Kirk and Kirk comes out the loser almost. Fast forward 4-5 years for Beyond and he is bored with his life, this isn't a temporary feeling, he has obviously been feeling this way a long time, he says so in the film. So why did he lose the love of exploring, the desire for command of his own ship in such a short period of time? He applies for a position as Admiral, something Prime Kirk didn't want but it was forced upon him. So we have two divergent characters here. One who lived to command and explore in Prime Kirk, and one who got what he wanted and then got bored with it in Kelvin Kirk. Can that be put solely on the fact one had a father and one didn't? I'm not entirely sure it can. I think they just wanted to spice Kirk up a bit, change the dynamic for their Trek to make it different from what had gone before.

Aw, is your fragile ego under attack again? Its funny how people who assume they are superior are so rarely able to display any superior qualities lol.

@@DrewLSsix I would respect you more if you challenged my comment on kirk and Plicard, instead you judged me and my character like you actually know me.

no its not

@@jacquelinekemp4074 Very easy for you to say so without adressing Eddie Murphy's iconic 1983 performance. Have you seen it?