How Close Can You Install a Socket to a Sink?

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In this video Marcus is on site carrying out an electrical installation condition report EICR. During the inspection he comes across a 13 amp BS1361 socket outlet very close to a sink…
What code would you give..?
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00:00 - Socket close to a sink
00:33 - C2?
00:42 - Building Regulations
01:17 - No code?
01:34 - 300mm nope
01:57 - Safer than ever
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@adventuresofanathan
@adventuresofanathan 3 ай бұрын
More videos like this please, would love a video on extraction and ventilation for kitchen and bathrooms it gets very muddy.
@diggens15
@diggens15 3 ай бұрын
cross head countersunk screws used in socket
@simonb1996
@simonb1996 3 ай бұрын
Wood screws instead of 3.5mm machine screws?
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 2 ай бұрын
in the states, it is REQUIRED that there be a socket within 24" (about 30 cm) of the edge of the sink. essentially, there can be no counter space that is more than 24" laterally from a socket. of course, all kitchen sockets must be GFCI (RCD) protected.
@GSHElectrical
@GSHElectrical 2 ай бұрын
Great comment thanks 👍🏻
@over-engineered
@over-engineered 3 ай бұрын
NHBC’s drawing shows minimum 300mm between edge of sink and edge of socket, NOT edge of draining board. They clearly show the socket partly above the draining board and 300mm away from the sink part. Your drawing showed 300mm to the edge of the draining board. Interesting difference!?
@Mixolixplosion
@Mixolixplosion 2 ай бұрын
Imagine if the draining board is 10m long 😅
@John-ou4rm
@John-ou4rm 12 күн бұрын
0:44 If you go back to the building regs diagram at 44s it shows on the left of the draining board 300mm laterally to the closest socket. I think they're wrong because while BS7671 is not law, Building regs are definitely enforceable on the basis where any additional or new works CANNOT leave the area/circuit in a worse condition relative to current building regs. So, the sockets can stay if they were in prior to new regs, but you cannot install a new circuit or additional new sockets under the old regs. (Although I can think of how they contradict even that with the new heights of sockets and switches in existing rooms).
@over-engineered
@over-engineered 12 күн бұрын
@@John-ou4rm I’ve recently built a house and have a socket over 300mm away from the sink basin but less than 300mm from the edge of the draining board, per NHBC drawing, and it’s been inspected/tested and certificated to building regs.
@John-ou4rm
@John-ou4rm 12 күн бұрын
@@over-engineered They probably didn't care, but it's 300mm, the draining board area has water and is part of the sink as it drains into it. But evidently they didn't worry and probably didn't even notice it. Nb: I just did my electrical building regs qual last week !! Passed. But it's all in the onsite guide.
@over-engineered
@over-engineered 12 күн бұрын
@@John-ou4rm so are you suggesting that NHBC published drawing is wrong, as it clearly shows socket above drainer is acceptable as long as 300mm away from basin!? Just google NHBC socket above sink.
@herrtomas6729
@herrtomas6729 3 ай бұрын
1. The socket is 230mm laterally from the sink, however it is also 'up' the wall - so how far away from the sink is it actually? 2. Our employers' safety inspectors used to fail the old style kettle (with the removable lead) if the lead, when unplugged, could reach the sink bowl. We used to shorten leads in that instance.
@wisteela
@wisteela 2 ай бұрын
Also, the plug could come out of the old kettle, and land in water. I like how that tray is a perfect fit.
@sergiofernandez3725
@sergiofernandez3725 3 ай бұрын
Is that a wood screw on the socket half hidden by the plug???
@chrisardern4594
@chrisardern4594 3 ай бұрын
I may be w6here but is that socket actually screwed back with pozi wood screws?
@AndyK.1
@AndyK.1 3 ай бұрын
The blue tray looks the most dangerous thing
@GSHElectrical
@GSHElectrical 3 ай бұрын
Good point
@EdwardBretherton
@EdwardBretherton 3 ай бұрын
interesting question, so when you do your AM2 and the question comes up on the online exam you go 300mm and hey ho you pass , building regs are for all and should be followed, Put in comments box
@MrSJT
@MrSJT 3 ай бұрын
Even though it isn't in BS7671, there should be some references it should refer to or guidance notes for us to make an informed decision on. According to NHBC it's 300mm from the sink, not the drainage (although I believe it should be drainage), and 100mm from cooker switch to hob. Who is correct and where or what document or guide can I find the answer as your video shows different?
@MrJoysiq
@MrJoysiq 3 ай бұрын
That would be legal in Australia and New Zealand
@GSHElectrical
@GSHElectrical 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for your Thoughts 👍🏻
@mikebe2090
@mikebe2090 2 ай бұрын
Same as we can have a socket in the bathroom in NZ 👍
@Tony-fl3rl
@Tony-fl3rl 3 ай бұрын
And someone has used woodscrews on the socket instead of 3.5 mm set screws
@lumsdot
@lumsdot 3 ай бұрын
I have that kettle
@nocode1603
@nocode1603 3 ай бұрын
I'd follow the 300mm as shown in the on site gide
@user-bj5xr5ju4n
@user-bj5xr5ju4n 3 ай бұрын
you should always use at least ipx5 sockets in wet rooms. should be regulation
@dale76uk
@dale76uk 3 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, building regs DO NOT specify a minimum distance.
@protectiongeek
@protectiongeek 3 ай бұрын
It's the same with Building Standards in Scotland; deference to BS7671 as the principal guidance document.
@friwan
@friwan 3 ай бұрын
So you dont need to follow building regs?
@anthonyshaw3605
@anthonyshaw3605 3 ай бұрын
I'm 66 and I don't remember an electric kettle ever having a lead permanently attached to it. I remember the stainless steel kettles with an element that you could see in the bottom, but the lead on those unplugged from the connection on the back of the kettle. In this situation (where there is very little space around the sink) I would have put that socket slightly higher up the right hand wall and closer to the kettle. Get rid of the tray. Good video though.
@dale76uk
@dale76uk 3 ай бұрын
mine used to have an IEC lead
@posei3960
@posei3960 3 ай бұрын
Picture of a hardwired kettle, or it never happened. 68 and never seen one
@jon_273
@jon_273 3 ай бұрын
Should be coding those wood screws!!
@darrenwardell3079
@darrenwardell3079 3 ай бұрын
Beat Practice 300mm minimum between bowl or drainer
@johnxenofontos1058
@johnxenofontos1058 3 ай бұрын
It used to be 600mm away from the sink
@bertiesworld
@bertiesworld 3 ай бұрын
Yes, 'dangerous times' in the past young man, but you survived! And all (probably) without any RCD or any other new fangle device the manufacturers might dream up, in sight - all in the pursuit of total safety. Cynic? Maybe.
@protectiongeek
@protectiongeek 3 ай бұрын
While BS7671 may not expressly specify minimum clearances as discussed in the video, the Electricity at Work Regulations state - At Regulation 4(1) - All systems shall at all times be of such construction as to prevent, so far as is reasonably practicable, danger. and At Regulation 6 - Electrical equipment which may reasonably foreseeably be exposed to - (a) mechanical damage; (b) the effects of the weather, natural hazards, temperature or pressure; (c) the effects of *wet*, dirty, dusty or corrosive conditions; or (d) any flammable or explosive substance, including dusts, vapours or gases, shall be of such construction or as necessary protected as to prevent, so far as is reasonably practicable, danger arising from such exposure. Any person conducting an EICR and supplying test certification relating to installations at places of work would do well to highlight the EaW requirements and not rely solely on the guidance in BS7671 and its supporting documents. An incident arising from the circumstances demonstrated in this video (as an example) could lead to investigation by the HSE and/or the Police (depending in which jurisdiction you are located). Such investigation may highlight that the electrical installation has been tested but no comments made by the person in charge of the testing as to the construction of the installation (in this example, the proximity of the switched socket outlet to the sink). Any legal proceedings against the owner/operator of that place of work arising post-incident could, potentially, result in the person in charge of the testing having to answer some awkward questions!
@GSHElectrical
@GSHElectrical 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to add your thoughts 👍🏻
@tonyknight9912
@tonyknight9912 3 ай бұрын
It may not be against any regs but I view it as bad practice as you can be touching an earthed water pipe whist operating the socket with the other hand/arm thus creating a potential pathway across the heart.
@rowles13
@rowles13 3 ай бұрын
C3 all day
@tonywatson1412
@tonywatson1412 3 ай бұрын
Yip ...but it could be a toaster .. and you don't pick up ( uncouple ) that
@09weenic
@09weenic 3 ай бұрын
If socket has 30mA RCD protection = C3 If socket has no 30mA RCD protection = C2
@couleddie
@couleddie Ай бұрын
Absolute rubbish.
@davideyres955
@davideyres955 2 ай бұрын
Love building control no connection between planning and building control as the kitchen is too small to comply with building regs. Same for my place. Sometime the reality of the world escapes the people setting the regulations and those enforcing them.
@JohnDundee-el2ro
@JohnDundee-el2ro 2 ай бұрын
It is to close but when there is no where else to put it you will put there
@user-xk2fr3se3t
@user-xk2fr3se3t 2 ай бұрын
Installed by a L1 leaner, faceplate secured with wood screws! smh
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