did you have a cleaner release with the shorter span?

Mike is fantastic! One of my favorite people!

I've heard he is one of, or these best in the business. I may need to give him a visit.

Sometimes mine too! Always learnjng

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Not really semi like mine. I actually thought more people would start trying it in the 2000’s when I was really playing well. But several do dig in slightly past the crease. To try and increase rev rate

not generally. It helps as the pad of your finger will be touching the insert, as opposed to the nail pushing against back of hole

@@BeefandBarnzy ok. Thanks. I don't have any issues with that. I don't use any pitch in the fingers. So been wondering if a little pitch was to get more lift or not. Enjoy your alls tips an authenticity!!

The lateral in the fingers are to make sure the holes don't meet at the bottom. They must add up to at least 3/4 of an inch. Other than that, lateral in the fingers is mainly for comfort. Chris, have always respected your skill set. Even with your semi, I didn't know you were that short. I know you are famous for keeping your thumb super tight, but opening your hand just a bit more as you age is definitely the right thing to do. I used to be 1/4 forward and an 1/8 to the palm with a 4-3/16 span, and I backed off on the forward a bit and got rid of the lateral because when I was getting to the bottom of the swing, I couldn't create much of a flat spot and it was killing my fingers. I'd love for you to get Norm to show his grip. Last I heard, he doesn't touch the holes off of the press, and I like my holes sharp too. Fingers are easy, but I want to see how he does his thumb.

@@jasonromeiser5026 unless your fingers can bend 90° easily at the first joint, you should have some reverse. Due to lots of factors, my fingers barely bend 40°, so I use 5/8 reverse in the fingers. If you put your hand in the ball and your nails are pushing against the back of the hole, you need some reverse.

Yeah, I'm not understanding this. I don't even like mine to go as deep as the first knuckle, if they go in deeper I feel like I can't get lift.

Pretty sure it somewhat helps your rev rate. You will have more control over your release with tips that go slightly past the first knuckle. So it's easier to maintain a good rev rate with less stress on your fingers

wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/images/6/64/Coke_can_overlay_for_thumb_pitch.pdf I'm right between index and middle finger and that's 0 lateral. How do you naturally hold a pencil or grip objects with the shape you make bowling? I also hold my pencil with thumb between the index and middle which isn't proper writing technique, but how my hand naturally grips with the thumb joint. Lateral pitch in thumb should be based on anatomy and where your thumb ends up with the coke test or pencil, not the type of roll you are trying to achieve or earliness or lateness the ball let's go of your hand; that can be controlled by span length or forward/reverse thumb pitch. Lateral is purely comfort based or to prevent excessive rubbing on either side of the thumb if adjusted incorrectly to your natural anatomy. More stretched span requires more reverse in the thumb to clear the hole and shorter span requires more forward in the thumb to allow you to still be able to hold onto the ball with the shorter span and more relaxed grip. The way your hand naturally grips the coke can or pencil determines your lateral thumb pitch. I find the pencil test to be most accurate as that's what your brain and muscles/tendons have developed over time to allow the lightest grip possible on an object. Best fit I've ever gotten has been emulating the natural form your hand grips a pencil, but allows even finger pressure in the ball between the two fingertips and minimal thumb pressure. Do this test at 1:17 to verify you have the proper spans and pitches. You can feel the way it's tugging on your thumb as well to see if your lateral pitches are off. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rcqdlrZj0duplmQ.html

@@AyoMrB an arrow off the top of my thumb points well past my pinky when doing the coke can grip test for lateral. I'll check the other norm Duke test.

@@JAW_73 When you grip and hold a pencil, what fingers are you pointing to? Your thumb tends to follow the natural angle of the joint. Do you grip the pencil between you ring finger and pinkie with thumb supporting?

@@AyoMrB I'm going to pick up a pencil with my thumb and two fingers, middle and ring Thumb is in the middle of them. I'm not going to pick up anything with my thumb and pinky . No one ever is.

@@JAW_73 That's 1/4 right. Depending on your flexibility you could potentially go 3/4, but may develop rubbing inside the thumb. I pick up a pencil and support between index and middle and 0 lateral is perfect for me. Now knowing you are 1/4 right, you can experiment with spans and pitches to get a better fit that causes you to hang less. Hand size affects the results of the coke can test, but the pencil test I feel is more accurate using the same results sheet as the coke can since it's the grip you want on the ball based on your natural anatomy and soft grip. wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index.php?title=File:MorichFitting.pdf

There are so many options. You really need to chat with a proshop professional. Often if you feel like you need to squeeze, it’s often because your swing is a little late, causing you to be very steep. This makes you feel like you are going to lose the ball

not necessarily. Chris has always been that way. Its more about adding reverse, especially to fingers

Agreed. I actually have had a pretty good amount of flexibility. I originally shortened bc of elbow issues. It was overdone but I noticed Steelsmith dug in and he is our wsu idol so I did the same

That’s why the tight thumb hole. Eliminates the need to squeeze

Are you left or right handed?

@@JAW_73 Yo, J W, I'm right handed.

@@russellgilbert3453 Thanks. I'm right handed and 3/4 right with 3/4 reverse. 4 7/8 span. I tried left in my thumb and almost broke my thumb.

Switched to 15 a year ago

I apologize Rebecca, I must have misread the room so to speak. Taking pictures / signing autographs is the easiest thing we do. If someone asks, I’m always happy to oblige or at the very least - finish whatever is going on and then take one. My apologies

That would be a quick and brutal beat down if I’m bowling 2 handed also!

@@BeefandBarnzy please make it happen! KZfaq is about entertainment.

What area are you in? Find a knowledgeable/ experienced pro shop guy and he / she can get you fitted correctly?