How did everyone miss this?! Harrison+Icon Pro Audio 32Ci Review

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4 ай бұрын

The 32Ci mixer/USB interface uses classic Harrison transformer preamps and EQ for a high-end sound. It's got lots of features...and one little flaw that everyone missed but me.
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@Iconproaudio 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the review, Matt. On the whole, you emphasized the many positive features of the iCON Harrison 32Ci - the classic Harrison preamps and filters, the dual headphone outputs, the beefy gain structure and the unique design. Thanks again for all of that. As for the flaw that you discovered, we appreciate you pointing that out to us. We think the reason no one noticed this before is because the Bump button is used to return some low end presence after you've rolled off the unwanted lows. In practical terms, it's rare that anyone is going to sweep the frequency up to 1k or 2k where you need dial up the frequency to hear that feedback. It's more likely that the frequency of the High Pass filter will be set around 100hz to 200hz. That being said, it is a flaw, and our partners at Harrison are investigating the circuit to see if there is a way to eliminate this issue. Thanks again for the thorough review.

@MatthewHaines 3 ай бұрын

Thanks! And as I said in the review, it's a very professional, well-thought-out device! :)

@mrearcandy220 25 күн бұрын

I’m an audio professional and that’s exactly what I was thinking. I can’t think of any scenario where I would high pass that high. in fact, when I heard that the issue was consistent with the Harrison channel strip, it gave me confidence in the product; that Harrison didn’t take shortcuts while claiming that it was the same technology/electronics.👍🏼👍🏼 Much respect for that, Harrison. Great review and great attention to detail @MatthewHaines

@maailmanalku7271 4 ай бұрын

To me that issue with the filter is actually almost like a plus: it means there is an actual circuit in this device and not just off the shelf DSP filters that you could create with your stock EQs. But it truly is amazing that no one noticed that before 😂

@MatthewHaines 4 ай бұрын

Yes, I love that it’s an analog circuit. Same reason I love my UA Volt 176 because of the analog limiter before it’s converted to digital.

@withRUfUS 3 ай бұрын

Maybe it’s just your unit that has this issue ? Im seriously considering purchasing this unit and it’s between Audient iD24 and Harrison icon ? Decisions decisions.

@grandtrunk7087 3 ай бұрын

I’ve been eyeing this interface for the past couple of months

@MatthewHaines 3 ай бұрын

@@grandtrunk7087 Over all, I recommend it!

@MrSteelypan 3 ай бұрын

You’re making great videos Matt. I’m a broadcast pro from the UK and I enjoy watching your content.

@MatthewHaines 3 ай бұрын

Thanks very much! I'm glad you're enjoying them.

@thorstenweimar1190 2 ай бұрын

Great review! Thanks a lot 😊! Do have numbers for latency? Especially Round trip latency? Thanks Thorsten

@MatthewHaines 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching! I don't' have any latency specs on it, sorry. I checked the documentation and their website. I'd suggest contacting Icon directly and see if they have something for you.

@withRUfUS 3 ай бұрын

It’s come down to the icon or the Audient iD24 ? I really like the icon and leaning towards purchasing it. Thanks for your review. By the way I haven’t found any other reviews so thank you.

@MatthewHaines 3 ай бұрын

I am glad you found it helpful! The ID 24 is cheaper than the icon but you don’t get the EQ and you also don’t get the additional line inputs. I haven’t had a chance to check out the ID24 myself though, so I can’t really compare.

@withRUfUS 3 ай бұрын

@@MatthewHaines yeah its definitely more attractive all around. Cheers

@withRUfUS 2 ай бұрын

In the end the tech’s who help me figure out how to get to the bottom of my issue’s with downloading the icon i/o pro software, I’m very grateful. I almost gave up on this because the unit is great on its own but now that I have this software it’s way more amazing. WOW so, many features and plug-ins wow, just wow thanks again. Matthew and thank you to the guys that icon. If anyone’s having doubts about buying this interface, don’t. It’s amazing

@MatthewHaines 2 ай бұрын

@@withRUfUS I'm glad to hear you were able to get it sorted out! 👍

@richmille Ай бұрын

For recording just vocals the converters on this can compete for examples with the one on an Apollo Twin?

@MatthewHaines Ай бұрын

The Apollo Twin (at least the Mk II) has a mix of hardware and software emulation on the preamps. So I don't know if it could even be compared with the 32Ci (I don't have an Apollo to test directly). The 32Ci is transformer-based which is theoretically a different sound than a FET design. These preamps sound transparent and excellent, but I can't compare directly with the Apollo.

@richmille Ай бұрын

@@MatthewHaines thanks!

@sowseed777music4 3 күн бұрын

I'll be able to answer that question after I get my 32ci next week & compare to the twin x on the weekend!

@richmille 3 күн бұрын

@@sowseed777music4 ok pls let me know about it!

@withRUfUS 2 ай бұрын

I just picked up one and love it, it runs a little warm nothing to bad, but I couldn’t get my unit to reproduce what your unit did. And On my unit my channel 3 & 4 are panned left and right, which can be corrected in the box. Very clean & Very versatile unit. I also can’t get the icon I/O software to load, but I use GarageBand and logic and it works perfect for both.

@MatthewHaines 2 ай бұрын

That's interesting that you couldn't replicate the feedback. Icon and Harrison *could* replicate it, so it's not isolated to my unit. But they're analog circuits, so I guess there's some variation. Yes, it's a great piece of gear! Thanks for your comment.

@withRUfUS 2 ай бұрын

@@MatthewHaines also I couldn’t get the io pro software to install, I keep getting a message saying “ the icon loopback driver was not found on your system. Please install the driver then try again.” Not sure what im doing wrong? Thanks

@MatthewHaines 2 ай бұрын

I had the same problem. Turns out you have to have the unit plugged in and turned on when you install the software, otherwise the driver for it is not installed. The user guide isn't clear on that.

@withRUfUS 2 ай бұрын

@@MatthewHaines I wonder if there is there a way to correct it ? I have all of the plugins but the “mixer”wont load because of the loopback driver ?

@MatthewHaines 2 ай бұрын

@@withRUfUS reinstall the software while the device is plugged in and turned on.

@endlessnameless4369 Ай бұрын

Thanks for the review that screechy noise is a dealbreaker for me especially with artists sharing headphones. Enouth potential for errors without remembering to mute everything before twiddling the filters. I also find this product has a weird vapourware vibe in that icon provide such little detail in the manual or anywhere about the software features and how the plugins work for monitoring with reverb etc and latency. Even Harrison seem like they are fairly arms length from the product by the posts on the forum where they talk about the features based on the prototype they had a test of. Its all a bit undercooked in my view.

@MatthewHaines Ай бұрын

I understand what you're saying. I will say though that the 32Ci is a solid piece of gear. I was using it yesterday, and - feedback issue aside - it's very solid and functional.

@endlessnameless4369 Ай бұрын

Thanks do you know if you can add reverb vst to the aux channels in the software mixer for monitoring while recording? Also how do the pres compare to say an Audient or similar? The blurb from Harrison indicates nothing comes close at the price point.

@MatthewHaines Ай бұрын

@@endlessnameless4369 Yes you can add reverb without it being printed to your recorded track. The mic preamps sound very good. They're a transformer design, which is somewhat out of the ordinary. I can't really say how they compare to an Audient preamp because I don't have anything in-house to compare it to.

@arlandajim 3 ай бұрын

Skipping the software part and connecting directly to the DAW is a big PLUS !

@MatthewHaines 3 ай бұрын

Yeah. While I appreciate the software they provided, I think I would use a DAW directly most of the time.

@theestudioorion Ай бұрын

Technically speaking, would you be able to use their software to insert VSTs before hitting the DAW? Because that actually has its value, you don't 'always' want to record clean, some workflows benefit of that. That's the idea behind the apollo interfaces for example.

@MatthewHaines Ай бұрын

@@theestudioorion Sorry for the delay. I had to set aside some time to actually test this. I don't think it's possible. I don't see a way to route from the IO Pro software (Icon's) to Logic's inputs for example. Logic just sees the interface's input. I might have missed something but I'm thinking it's not possible.

@FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur 3 ай бұрын

Phase reverse is handy for mid-side recordings.

@MatthewHaines 3 ай бұрын

Oh good point! I forgot all about stereo miking applications. 👍

@arlandajim 3 ай бұрын

Is it released ? For real? I did not know !

@MatthewHaines 3 ай бұрын

I think it's been out since spring of 2023. :)

@GDLong-mt4ze 18 күн бұрын

where are other reviews ? I don't see any ?

@MatthewHaines 18 күн бұрын

There are very few! Icon could do a better job with its social-media presence, for sure.

@WaxMud Ай бұрын

Allthough the card works fine when plugged in without installing any software an important part will be drivers and software to take full advantage of an audio interface. This card has some great features like IO Pro and the use of VSTs. On a windows machine it seems to work fine, but on Mac Studio and MacBook Pro (both M1) with either Ventura or Sonoma installed the software is not working properly. The driver fails to install, and if you are lucky to get it to work the IO software freezes up all the time. Now it would be great for content creators and live streamers if only the software worked on all systems. I have seen a lot of reviews online but something a lot of reviewers seems to miss is to test out and review drivers and software the comes with a soundcard. These are often a source of frustration when not working properly and it's not an uncommon problem with audio interfaces.

@MatthewHaines Ай бұрын

In my review I did test the software and driver on my system, which I discussed. It’s not practical for me to test it on all possible platforms and operating systems.

@GDLong-mt4ze 18 күн бұрын

install with hardware plugged in

@johnviera3884 4 ай бұрын

you’re not supposed to twist interface knobs or push buttons while recording. you set the levels and then leave them alone

@MatthewHaines 4 ай бұрын

Hah! Funny!

@bill-sr1vd 4 ай бұрын

Probably none of the other reviewers consider it a problem because they turn off the bump if they don't want resonance and self-oscillation.

@MatthewHaines 4 ай бұрын

Possibly.

@joesalyers 3 ай бұрын

8:13 oh look you discovered analog filter oscillation? Yep thats a thing. Its not a problem but a normal working analog filter has oscillation its when the resonance reaches the point of feedback.

@MatthewHaines 3 ай бұрын

Of course it is. I even mention that when I talk about analog synths. But if your *EQ* is oscillating, that's usually considered a problem.

@joesalyers 3 ай бұрын

@@MatthewHaines EQ's shouldn't oscillate but filters will. They aren't the same thing. Many filters will feedback when they resonate. The filters used in the Harrison as well as MCI/Sony consoles modules have had this same quirk. Digital filters like plugins won't do this unless coded to feedback. But in a resonant analog filter the audio is being filtered on a feedback circuit and produces less phase shift and less ringing, but a side effect is the audio is circulating back into itself. So its just part of the nature of it. Just like a Feedforward compressors have more snap than feedback compressors. Its just part of the circuit and I understand how that can be annoying for sure. But its just the nature of it. Like all things in audio we learn to work with it or around it. Great video by the way I wasn't trying to be mean or anything.

@MatthewHaines 3 ай бұрын

@@joesalyersok, got it. I misinterpreted what you were saying. thanks for the clarification.

@towercgaming7891 4 ай бұрын

So, the main takeaway of this video is that you are more "special" than hundreds of others? This is what you focused on the most.

@MatthewHaines 4 ай бұрын

Sorry you didn’t like it, but I appreciate you watching the video anyway.

@gaboonschoolofmusic9848 Ай бұрын

noise is a deal breaker.........feels non professional if you tolerate that ....let them fix it

@MatthewHaines Ай бұрын

I have found it very usable, even with the feedback problem. It doesn’t excuse their error, but it doesn’t mean the product is a waste of time either.