Halland, 😊

Västernorrland.

I watch from the Kronoberg County as well as from the Småland Province. I think most or all Swedes identify mostly with their province since it is more culturally important.

@@deteon1418 Except if you're from Stockholm, Norrbotten or Västerbotten.

@@deteon1418 I very much agree to this. I call myself "Smålänning" far more than "Kronobergare".

So it's the "Gulf of Bay"?

@@SantomPh let's not jump to conclusions here. The Finnish name for Gulf of Bothnia is Pohjanlahti, "Gulf (lahti) of the Bottom (Pohjan)". But word "pohja" is also related to word "pohjoinen", which means north. So it actually is the northern gulf. The Finnish names for Österbotten, Västerbotten & Norrbotten are Pohjanmaa, Länsipohja and Peräpohjola => Northland/Bottomland, Westnorth/Westbottom and Bottomnorth (like the Ultimate North). I don't think think it is really known where this botten part of the name come from. Did Norse take it from Finns or Samis? Did Finns and Samis take it from Norse ("Bottom" = "north" is also a concept in old Germanic languages).

Hej Henriko!, jag tänkte precis "correcta" det, eftersom att jag själv kommer från västerbotten... Hoppas du minns mig, vi har ju varann på discord...

Bottenvikan och bottenhavet med kvarkar som gräns.

Also a somewhat ironic mistake since these "lowlands" contains the highest mountains in the country 😅

I think you mix up "province" and "region".

Yeah, its also wierd to say that you are from Örebro (the region) if you for example are from Kumla, most people would instead say that they are from Närke.

Yeah, the counties(län) is a weird way to describe Sweden. They are just the jurisdictions of power. Meanwhile the regions(landskap) makes more sense as they divide the people into which part they live in. Sure Skåne is the same in both, but that's only recently true, as it was 2 län before. Namely Malmöhus and Kristianstad. Oh and using the 3 provinces is daft. Norrland is still 50+% of Sweden. Then Swealand is the centerpart and Götaland is the south. I prefer the 4th division. Skånelandene / Helvetet

@@livedandletdie haha you mean "reserve Denmark" ;-) (said with love and a wink) However the three, or rather four as you say, historical "lands" is crucial to understand the division of Sweden. Both historically, lingustically and culturally. And to be fair Finland needs to be taken into account as well. So should we say five? 🙂

@Neutron It really depends on how you choose count it. Yes we have today a division of three lands (Götaland, Svealand and Norrland). However I said "Historical Lands" and as such I am not really sure five even would be enough. The division of three is a fairly modern adaptation and simplification of an much older historical division. Lingustically/dialectally you can divide Sweden into the following areas: South Swedish aka "East Danish" (old Danish territorries in the south), Götamål, Sveamål, Norrländskamål, Gotland and Finland togeter with Estonia. Together it count as six different dialectal areas. When I said "five" I meant the three common ones and then the old Danish areas as well as Finland. Together that makes five. Even though this also roughly correspond to historical regions one need to chop them up a bit more for getting the historical political regions/lands. For example the region of "Götamål" need to be divided into three (western götaland, eastern götaland and the "small land"). Along the northern westcoast we also have the old Norwegian territories). The region of Sveamål includes both Närke and Värmland but those, even though originaly said to be of Svea stock were independent and not part of "All Swedes Ting". Above the border forest "Ödemården" you have south Norrland (that originally were the "Norrland proper") you have each landscape that were its own political entity. This area was only fully integrated in Sweden in 1320, so later then south of Finland. Further north, above Umeå, there were almost no Germanic speakers to begin with but Finns (Kvens) and Sami. You also had Sami further south, mostly in the inland, but in for example Jämtland they were so integrated you can almost talk about one hybrid culture rather then two. Jämtland and Härjedalen also belonged to Norway until the mid 1600s so this was its own political entity. One can also see a clear division between "south Norrland" and "north Norrland". And then we have Gotland, that were its own political entity as well. How many historical lands would you say that was? More then six I guess 🙂 So how many regions/lands we are talking about depends puerly what context we talk about.

It depends, most people in Lapland identify more with Norrbotten/Västerbotten than with the province of Lapland :) but those are the only examples i can think of

@@jonaslindberg2579 But could the same be said for people in the provinces of Norrbotten or Västerbotten? Would someone who grew up in Norrbotten province consider (for example) the mountains to be part of Norrbotten, or would they consider it part of Lappland?

@@unclear6055 I've always thought of it as Västerbotten. My grandma is from the mountains, I can't recall her ever referring to it as anything other than Västerbotten either. I usually don't considered provinces when thinking about geography, but that might be because I've only ever lived in places where the province and the county matches up (Västerbotten, Blekinge).

True! Most people feel no connection to the counties unless they overlap

Yeah cuz i rather wanna hear about Bohuslän then västra Götaland ...

Culturally important yes, but in heavy use? Do you mean that people would refer to themselves as ”Ölänning” for example?

@@Voix1000x Yes

@@Voix1000x Öland being the second largest island in the country does mean it's a bad example, since that fact alone makes people more likely to identify with it. Bohuslän might be a better example.

@@Voix1000x in general people refer more to Landskap than Län.

@@leiftorbjorn5621 Depends on the landskap tbh. Never heard someone call themselves ''medelpadde'' or something like that

@Neutron Proper: You're correction is shit. Borg comes from the extraterrestrial cyborgs known as The Borg it's etymological roots have been thoroughly debated and settled for hundreds of years.

There's actually a cognate to 'berg' in English, namely 'barrow' (in the sense of mound or hill).

@@fartreta Interesting. I have never thought there was a connection between these words, but now that you say it, it makes sense. I personally always associated 'barrow with grave mounds, but you say it have a wider usage? Well, you live and you learn.

Bottenviken means "the innermost bay/gulf" (of the Baltic Sea). 'Botten' has the same etymological origin as 'bottom' and in this case it refers to an interior geographical location, but it's really an outdated/fossilized use of this word. We modern Swedish speakers perceive it as a name like any other, not a description.

@Neutron I looked it up in SAOB, but now that I re-check it, it seems I read it a little too fast and didn't read definition no 5. You are correct. I know how to google though, Google is my friend 😄

What makes it even Weirder is that the main city of Ljusnarsbergs kommun (Most northen kommun in Örebro län) is called Kopparberg.

and J is like English Y, and both G and K can be soft and hard, and R is pronounced like R. Is there a reason for why his R sounds like L?

@@Liggliluff general foreigner syndrome. He should be happy Växjö isn't a county...

@@livedandletdie or Örkelljunga, Sävsjö, Ytterhogdal...

I was surprised how well he did with Skåne. It sounds a tiny bit off. But still pretty close.

@Neutron Yeah, it is actually pretty accurate to the Scanian accent. Though not all of Scania has the same accent, either if we are being honest. I think it might just sound a tiny bit off more just due to juxtaposition with English.

Län is country, landskap is moreso province.

Glöm inte kommuner och socknar ;-)

Landskap is Province. Län has recently been called Region in Swedish.

Basically, landskap are historical administrative divisions that got reformed long ago due to the regency council at the time wanting borders that were easier to govern. The borders of the landskap had vastly unequal population distributions, and did things such as splitting Stockolm's immidiate area into two, limiting it's influence south of it's immidiate borders, which is an area that is starting to become an urban center today.

And the cities inside these 'regioner' are 'kommuner' :D

Regions are the same as län, landskap is "province" in english. It's confusing I know

@@jonaslindberg2579 Landskap is province, but län is county. Landsting is region.

@@Saturinus Region is region if you want to get technical, because they're not called landsting anymore. But yeah the regions are technically administrations within the counties

Goths and the geats could have been the same people tho.

@@isaks7042 different tribes.

@@isaks7042 Key word being *could* we simply don't know if they have a common origin. The fact that Gothic is an East Germanic language would go against it, but I digress. The Geats did exist and the counties and provinces are named after them, regardless if they are ultimately related.

@@isaks7042 I thought it was named after the Gutes, the native tribe of the island that spoke Gutnish, an east norse language. They were not exactly the same people as lived in the rest of Götaland.

@Neutron Same people, different time periods. 'Goths' in Scandinavia predates year 0. 'Geats 'from Beowulf is about year 500.

And I thought the Geats and the Goths are one and the same

You are indeed correct in your assumption, the areas were named after the Geats, the tribe of Beowulf.

@@Abiodun92 thats actully debated because the text could mean the Geuts from Gotland. Gutar in Swedish

@@samuellassman7668 Gutar are the ones from Gotland

To summarize, we all know stuff and we're all confused. Common thing when Swedes talk about our long lost brother people the Geats - and our extinct(?) island people, the Guts.

Bottenviken is also known as "The Gulf of Bothnia" in English.

@@Draktand01 Bottenviken is the Bay of Bothnia in English. The Gulf of Bothnia is Bottniska viken (Bottenhavet + Bottenviken)

@@mikaeljakobsson8288 I stand corrected. The ’body of water’ + ’Bothnia’ part still applies in either case, though I suppose I need to read up on different bodies of water.

smallest correction ever, but norrbotten was actually created in the 20th century, so was never part of finland, it is instead named as the northern part of västerbotten, as the province and county of västerbotten stretched far nort, east of torneå

In modern swedish, yes. The name is from 15th century or earlier, and the meaning might have changed or been translated out of it's original meaning. Worth noting is that "Berg" didn't get it's current spelling in Swedish until well after the castle was built, it was spelt (amongst other variations) "Bärg" or "Bergh" well into the 18th century. The word is one of those words that you'll find in Sanskrit as well, giving the hint of the "Indo" part of the "indo-european languages". In Sanskrit it's "Bhrant" and in protogermanic "Bhergo" witch means "high place of stone", witch really fits the description of both a castle and a mountain. One should also note that it's quite a distance from the castle to the nearest thing that could even remotly be considered a mountain. The highest peak in the whole county is 312 m above sea level and is located roughly 25 km from the castle, further giving credence to the use of "berg" as "borg" in this case.

@@victorcapel2755 Berg has always meant mountain, like German Berg. Borg has always meant castle, like German Burg. Spelling "bergh" is from before 1700, spelling "bärg" was a very little used one (19th C.) and the normal spelling has mostly (since 1700) been "berg". However, some other spelling versions would survive in surnames. For meaning, there is no doubt that I am right and you are wrong, and spelling versions don't affect that.

@@victorcapel2755 Looking at the actual place Kronobergs slott, I feel some doubt ... however, the island ("holme") on which it is built is a "mountain" in relation to the lake bottom.

@@hglundahl The only thing you are right about is that it's a difference between "Berg" and "Borg" in modern swedish. Everything else you're not right about, as for example the use of the spelling "Bärg". It's been in use for longer and way more widespread than you claim. My point is that you should be really, really careful in drawing conclusions about 600 year old names from modern Swedish, considering Swedish is a Germanic language and the germanic and protogermanic root for the two words are the samt thing. Borg and Berg is litterally the same word from the begining. Also considering that Sweden have had a massive German influence in modern history (That is, the last 1000 years). Swedefied German names are all over the swedish language. Not to mention that you implicitly claim to know what someone thought about a word, 600 years ago. And again, there isn't even a mountain close to the place, while it actually is a borg.It also makes sense that the Crown would own a castle, it makes no sense what so ever that the Crown would own a mountain and that someone would name that mountain after it's owner. Occams razor would suggest that you're wrong.

@@hglundahl And I'm hardly "wrong" since I havn't claimed to be correct or really claimed anything at all. I've raised a possibility. You are the only one of us that makes claims with any amount of "certainty".

Halland is a part of Skåne and so is Blekinge and Bohuslän, but still, Halland is most like named after Hovs Hallar, but Hall just means stone and land just means land so there is no reason to assume that it means anything but cliffland, and the whole region of Western Skåne, from Söderåsen and up are technically known as Hallandet. As not only are the cliffs around Ängelholm and then the copious amounts of big Ice age rocks that were left in the lands there... so it's a fitting name.

@@livedandletdie I was taught that the people from there were named after Hovs Hallar and so were called Halläningar and so its natural that the land be called after the people who inhabit it. Also Halland and blekinge used to be a part of the duchy of Scania, but Bohuslän used to be Norwegian and has nothing to do with Skåne.

@@livedandletdie "technically known as Hallandet"? That area is not known under such name. What do you even mean with 'technically'? Also, Bohuslän has never ever been considered a part of Skåne. It was Norwegian land until 1658 (then known as Baahuslen) and its dialects sound vaguely Norwegian to this day. Halland and Blekinge have lots of common history with Skåne, but you're pretty alone in considering them part of thereof. Only the most western part of Blekinge (Lister) was a part of Skåne a long time ago, and the dialect there is Scanian rather than Blekingish. There's a 19th century term "Skåneland(en)" denoting the former, pre 1658 Eastern Denmark (Skåne, Halland, Blekinge) but it's really out of use today and doesn't have real historical bearing.

Forget translating "botten" with "bottom" - they don't have the same origin.

Yeah. there ws a nerby creek called Junebäcken. so you have absloutly right.

/ / is usually used for IPA pronunciation, which you haven't used here. So the "sch" sound is written as /ɕ/. Gävleborg would be /jɛvlɛ.bɔrj/ Jönköping would be /jœn.ɕøːpɪŋ/

@@Liggliluff You're correct, but I can't really type that on my phone sadly.

And the names of the provinces, I would be very interested to see a video about and probably many other Swedes with me, these also all have their own coats of arms, landscape animals and landscape flowers.

It's the same as Kaupang in Norwegian and Chipping in English

Could it be derived from Njudung, (June, Jöhn, Jön-) when Njudung still were an autonomous country?

@@falukropp2000 I'm no expert but my guess would be no. Jönköping isn't in Njudung and its historical equivelent was Tveta. It's not impossible that they'd be related somehow but the commonly accepted explanation is that it's named after the June brook

Well, It was a complex movement of peoples at the times, it's called the great migration period for that very reason. You have German/Polish Vandals ending up in North Africa, The Urgic peoples from central Sibera ending up in Hungary, Bolgars from the Volga region ending up i Bulgaria and so on.

That would be great. But the names of Norway are pretty self-explanatory

@@NoName-yw1pt The new ones, yes, but the old ones have more explaining to do

Neat, you got the best province. We did the same and I think I got Västerbotten, but it was a while back so I'm not sure.

​@@ravenchild7517Nah you got the best province

@@justaname1174 Nah Värmland is superior, I'm definitely not biased.

It depends on where you live in Sweden. In some parts the county is more commonly used while in other parts the province is more common.

The historical province in which Uppsala is located in is callef Uppland - ”the land up/above (in relation to the other traditional Swedish lands in the middle, I guess)

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"Jone's shopping".

He added random vowels, yes.

Yeah they are all named after their location relative to Bottenviken, which is the Swedish name for the sea between Finland and Sweden :) And in Österbotten it's common to speak Swedish, right?

One way to distinguish the Roman from the Swedes is to spell the swedish ones geats.

The Gutnish tribes of Gotland are the Goths in Roman times... that spoke Gothic a sister language of Norse and German.

@@livedandletdie That's just a hypothesis, and a weak one at that. People saw that the names were similar and.. that's it. There's no real evidence for Gotland being the origin point of the Goths. Götar, Gutar and Goths might have a shared origin somewhere around the baltic sea, but that's yet to be proven.

Götar in English is Geats, not Goths.

@@soundscape26 I honestly don't see any issue. Why not just use the English name if the Polish name is so hard? Województwo Dolnośląskie Lower Silesian Voivodeship Województwo Kujawsko-Pomorskie Kuyavian-Pomeranian Voivodeship Województwo Lubelskie Lublin Voivodeship Województwo Lubuskie Lubusz Voivodeship Województwo Łódzkie Lodz Voivodeship Województwo Małopolskie Lesser Polish Voivodeship Województwo Mazowieckie Masovian Voivodeship Województwo Opolskie Opole Voivodeship Województwo Podkarpackie Subcarpathian Voivodeship Województwo Podlaskie Podlachian Voivodeship Województwo Pomorskie (Moje Województwo) Pomeranian Voivodeship (My Voivodeship) Województwo Śląskie Silesian Voivodeship Województwo Świętokrzyskie Holy Cross Voivodeship Województwo Warmińsko-Mazurskie Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship Województwo Wielkopolskie Greater Polish Voivodeship Województwo Zachodniopomorskie West Pomeranian Voivodeship

One of the tribes where the Geats, which according to Wikipedia has the name coming from with semen

I was born in Västmanland, but in Surahammars kommun. So yeah. Agreed.

@@perennialcoma Do the counties have flags or coat of arms?

@@NoName-yw1pt the ”landskap” has ”landskapsvapen” that are like heraldic shields. Every ”landskap” has its ”own” animal and flower aswell. Here is a wiki page, unfortunately not available in english but you can use google translate if you are interested in further reading 😊 sv.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landskapsvapen_i_Sverige

@@NoName-yw1pt Yes they do, but they’re just the coat of arms as banners.

Landskap/Provinces are historical divisions with no administrative use today.

With some exceptions. (Gest).

Eller "gem" :)

No, it's pronounced like Y. Swedish doesn't have the sound that J (usually) makes in English, which you probably already know.

@@BurnBird1 What is the difference between Y and J?

@@Furienna J is like the Y in 'Yes' and Y sounds like the vowel in 'Gym". Like a vowel-sound between U and I. No pun intended.

And Norrbotten is nearly all the North side of the Botten-Bay coast - there is in Finland a part called Nordbotten as well, but doesn't really get all the up to Norrbotten.

I think the reason for the name is opposite. Bottenviken is shallow, so you "bottnar" - it's easy to walk on the sea bottom. Not sure this applies to human walkers, I think it's more like ships reach sea bottom too easily.

No - "botten" does NOT mean "bottom" in this context!

@@Vinterfrid Source please?

On wikipedia I find a reference to Nordisk Familjebok, which says on etymology that OSw "botn" meant "bay" like in the Icelandic "fjartharbotn" - except fjorth in itself already means precisely a kind of bay.

Those are rather kingdoms before the unification of Sweden turning it into Sweden. The Götar chose the Svea king to rule over both, and so Sweden became what it was until 1809 when the f*cker Napoleon destroyed us.

Before someone corrects me, I might be mistaken with the L and T thing. I could have mixed it up with G and K, as I just remembered that Gotland also was called Kuttland! The old word for seal, and still the Gotlandic name for seal to this day, is Kute. My point is the origin of Gotlands name is not just as easy it is explained in the video.

Actually Malmöhus län and Kristianstad län both merged in 1997 into Skåne län.