Exactly. The US made itself their own bed.

There are a lot of misconceptions and critical assumptions, here.

i wonder why the US Government did not see Afghanistan's weakness in corruption.

Should've just pulled out when we killed bin laden

@@Ray-fk4vh Lol you Really think it was about Bin Laden?? It was about money, minerals, diamonds and Opium! But they did not expect the stiff resistance of the Taliban.

I mean anything is better than a foreign army.

@roberttaylor1426 North Koreans will not welcome an American army with open arms. Not a single country on this planet will. Let go of your delusion.

My friend who was serving there in 2009 told me the same thing back then

That’s what happens when a drone strike hits a wedding or a school

This is just not true, north afghanis are oppressed by the taliban

go to russia and chine donot kill the poor countries.

Lol deadass

@@wadefreeman7340???

Nice pfp

How did we win lol I tell you short answer my friend?. See Taliban aren't the Latinos Taliban aren't the blks we don't take a George Floyd and just sing and dance and beg for fairness from white oppressors. Taliban are people who will fight you and disrespect you right back.. You see the flag planting picture just like ww2 how many times have the infidels disrespected the arab men? Many now you have a taste of that back.. The blks and latinos should take note.. You can not play koi with people who think they are king's on earth because they were born white.. ALLAHU AKBAR🏴🏴

Don't get your hopes up, they won't do that once they feel the have enough security. That's the way it is with extremists; Get in power, then kill the opposition

@@sarosp9330 sadly so and most likely they'll punish those who fail to escape discouraging people from emigration

@@sonicmeerkat if you think this is bad then you ain't seeing the worst one and it's gonna come in future.

@@Ghost12314 oh I know things are gonna get bad, main reason why I'm worried for the people. I personally couldn't have cared for the previous government noting it barely had control to begin with and didn't make the people care for their cause, and with how corruption leading to its downfall seems like my opinion was correct, just yaknow Taliban weren't on my list for worthy replacements

It wasn't really diplomacy. The taliban policy was basically standard extortion and they used the same policies to take over the 1990s. The offer is always that you can fight us and die.....or stand aside and live for a while. The bad policies of the Taliban in the old days were when the leadership would order things done that were self-destructive and pointless. Like when they blew up the old statues and got international coverage. Or when they decided to take on the US after 9/11 and wouldn't listen to anyone (including pakistan) about the consequences of that. I think the current leaders of the taliban are still dumb guys, but they are less dumb than one-eyed Omar and the gang who provided the leadership in the 1990s.

That is something I've noticed, the Taliban seem much less radical and revanchist then they were in 1996. While a Taliban victory isn't ideal, it seems like it isn't nearly as bad as it could have been. Surprisingly it seems that 20 years of war have moderated them, rather then radicalizing them further as you would have expected

@Depresso Caspico the Taliban and the Mujahideen are not the same thing. America supported the Mujahideen, who after falling to the Taliban(created by the Pakistani Interservice Intelligence) in 1996 formed the Northern Alliance, who were the basis of the new Afghan government established after the coalition invasion in 2001

@@jackwalters5506 it certainly help that the most radical element flocked to the IS-KP. And fortunately, they hate each other.

diversity is good for business, applying corporate principles to warfare that's fascinating

@@bonfire4120 The last thing I or anyone should want is a prosperous Taliban Afghanistan

Can you please tell me the steps? asking for a friend

In 1992 when he was a young reporter he wrote an article about the final Soviet withdrawal (with that country’s dissolution)…history really can be so circular .

One truly wants to quote Dark Plagueis with that guy

He wrote a book that contained only one line: "I don't know how to fix a failed state."

This is the first major victory for the Islamic world in over 40 years against America's War on Islam.

Same thing happened during the Chinese Civil War with the American backed Nationalist Army. Seems like Uncle Sam have a problem...

But the Taliban were making billions themselves yet had no problem paying their fighters. They have almost no corruption issues as far as we know.

@@jenkz16 any nation with an economy based on resource extraction has huge corruption problems as starving peasants can work in a mine

@@nulnoh219 Nationalist China was extremely corrupt long before America got involved you can't win warlords over to your side without a bribe

@@RADIZ2013 I am aware of this idea. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, and Norway are nations that rely heavily on an economy based solely on natural resources (oil) and have no corruption issues. Australia relies heavily on natural resources (minerals) again, no corruption issues. If what you see is true, these nations would not function as they do.

you all invade their country so you all should die for them! 🤣

Well, if the most cowardly of them were willing to join the British and NATO allies, and the rest joined the Taliban, what does that tell you about the invading forces? That they were not there to restore peace or establish justice. Good people do not attract cowards.

@@1994mrmysteryman majority of Afghans support Taliban and new Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan...so you are right about that Sir. You are one of the first few Westerners who realise this! Respect to you!

Ah they were not prepared too fight for invaders u mean?

As if you guys had the balls to fight the Taliban if you didn’t have such a numerical and technological advantage

The seeds of that conflict were planted years before, and not by any American. Before any American assistance came in, the communist government was already waging a brutal civil war with entire divisions deserting their army, not to mention rival communist gangs killing each other in the capital along with multiple coups. If Americans want to repudiate their country's role in Afghanistan's descent into civil war, they can do so without trying to make the US the center of the world.

No, Pakistan doesn't control them now. They only listen to Pakistan because of the 1979 Connections.

This time it was Taliban's own victory because some in Afghan army were selling their weapons to the black market. Also China Russia Iran are fine with current takeover

@@BrorealeK Hell the whole reason Pakistan funds insurgencies in Afghanistan is because of the Durand line, which was drawn by the British in 1893.

@@Vuosta It was Mohammed Daoud Khan's failed military invasion that did that not the British.

I was there 2008-2010 and I called this back then didn't plan that the moron in office would leave 90billion worth of equipment though let them keep there heroin junkies and chai boys I personally have zero respect for them because they refuse to defend there land.

Afghans are Muslims, they will never trust a Christian army

I am a Hindu Indian. We call afghans as looters....

Your terrorist army was never meant to be in Afghanistan.

​@@CtheDead209-zt8tj They did, it's pretty hard to defend your country when the insurgents are better fed, armed and trained then you are. Not everyone gets to call in a A-10 to solve their problems like American soldiers can.

Why would afghans fight taliban? Taliban are also afghans

​​​​@@paiman95able yes they were Afghan. Afghan criminals and terrorists. The vast majority of the war in Afghanistan was fought between Taliban and Afghan military. The US had a pretty minor involvement overall after they killed Osama in 14

The whole country is corrupt

Also has support from the locals

Don't feel bad. The Afghan government was worse than the Taliban.

@@toasterpastries5811 Worse than being enslaved and beheaded?

@@zeuscaesar4845 those aren't even the worst thing they're doing.

@@toasterpastries5811 cant agree more

@@zeuscaesar4845 ok islamophob 😠

The Taliban were essentially dead early on in the war. The movement was essentially reborn in the Afghan countryside as a result of ANA/Coalition behavior in the countryside with mass arrests/repression/raids/airstrikes/corruption and killings.

Talibannn are actually building the country and are treating its people fairly and treating women good. News is all lies. I seen it first hand. The only people that don’t like them are the traitors/thieves/killers/drugggiessss, and shady people because they want to continue their corruption but Talibannn won’t allow them to. Everything u hear and see on tv is a lie. Talibannnn have accepted americas and all of natos surrender and said there will be peace after until last non believers are off the soil. Free facts. Afghanistan defeated america and its 49 allies nato all by the help of God. Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires. Learn from history. Afghanistan defeated Alexander the Great, gengis khan, Ottoman Empire, sikhs, Britain on four different occasions, solving union and its 15 allies, America and its 49 Allie’s and the traitors/rats/translators/snitches and many many mannnny other empires/countries all were defeated and humiliated. All those high tech weapons, all those numbers/allies/countries/help , and all that money yet they still lost against 1947 ak47s and 100k freedom fighters/Talibannnn. Good vs evil. God vs devil. If u do not believe in God this will change your mind. Non Afghans will never truly understand how strong Afghans truly are.

Thank you very much!

Yeah, I think the hope was with twenty years, or one generation of support, there were be some change in the attitude. For whatever reason, that did not happen, not even close. It took Europe a millennium to get past feudalism.

@@catsupchutney It'll take a lot less time nowadays with numerous states, their firms, as well as international NGOs bringing in newer technologies (e.g., weapons, communications, infrastructure, healthcare), though the natives will need to assimilate, which will result in lots and lots of displacement, death, and destruction, unfortunately.

but they did have a government just some jealous cousin thought hed be better off in chrge of the countries

The west needs to learn that we can’t just install nation states in areas they have no reason to be in.

The US needs to stop trying to prop up governments around the world

afghan army fighted for money just like trump said they had no will to die

We talk as though .....ok...before I go any further.... ......is every body in USA a Democrat ?? .....A Republican ??...does everybody vote, even if of Voting Age ?? So how comes we talk about all Afghans as one group??...or , all Iraqis....or all Iranians....etc., etc... Why don't we mention Children, or women/men, The Infirmed;__ etc., etc. ?? .....when we go on Bombing Operations...???

@@clydeaimes2161 well he did say army not afghan people so...

Jesus thats good

I think it is in the gold chairs in the capital building in Kabul

@@Sparticulous nope, imagine how much that has been spent on salaries,equipment and a bunch of shit, thats a lot of money for corporations and bankers and politicians

Ashraf Ghani left Afghanistan with 175 million $ in his luggage

this is just stupid propaganda of western media and extremely baised...

@@ibnebadr367 How so?

@@ibnebadr367 true

А как по русски называется?

@@bigbirb340 Праздничная гора

Very interesting. Is there an English translation of that novel? I'm not super familiar with the region but it seems like if Dagestan fell, so would Chechnya.

@@grahamcarpenter5135 Almost whole of Northern Caucasus would fall on that scenario That is highly unlikely in reality tho

@@DeathsOnTheYAxis well the book is more of an introspection on Dagestani society than a geopolitical thought experiment. Moscow, the Islamic world and the West exist in it more as vague external sources of cultural influence than as sets of political actors with interests of their own. There is a large cast of characters, but nearly all of them are Dagestani. Additionally, while quitting the Caucasus isn’t seriously considered by any Russian decisionmakers, “stop feeding the Caucasus” is a pretty popular slogan among grassroots Russian nationalists, feeding on base ethnic prejudices and a perception of unfair treatment from the federal government. I’m guessing that the author, as a Dagestani woman who has spent much of her life in Moscow, would be very familiar with such sentiments and would have fantasized about what the logical conclusion of that slogan would actually look like, regardless of its feasibility.

At least they're dealing with the blowback, if all else fails.

Pakistan? The ally of America? No thats more blame on the USA tbh

@@alchemist7525 you mean the country that's been at the forefront of holding back the Taliban?

@Amaan Hussain wait, how does spending nearly a trillion usd benefit us? Also, it's kinda hard to stop a trade like that if you have to stabilize the country first

@Amaan Hussain also, I wasn't asking you, I was asking someone else

The South Vietnamese held out for two years against the VC. The Afghan army didn't even come close to that.

@@catsupchutney ah yes because you can definetly compare these two extremely different countries/ situations/conflicts. wheres the point? it wont give you ANY answers

@@pissfather6798 I love the internet.

@@pissfather6798 ask me how I know you're a redditor

How did we win lol I tell you short answer my friend?. See Taliban aren't the Latinos Taliban aren't the blks we don't take a George Floyd and just sing and dance and beg for fairness from white oppressors. Taliban are people who will fight you and disrespect you right back.. You see the flag planting picture just like ww2 how many times have the infidels disrespected the arab men? Many now you have a taste of that back.. The blks and latinos should take note.. You can not play koi with people who think they are king's on earth because they were born white.. ALLAHU AKBAR🏴🏴

The comments of that video would be nearly as bad as videos on Northern Ireland

As a Sri Lankan, I would love to see such a video

@@alcabone1126 Why? I'm just curious.

@@tiredox3788 The Sri Lankan government with the aid of India killed thousands of Tamils civilians because the Tamil Tigers were fighting for autonomy/independence.

@@overdose8329 found the Tamil

@A Fels Taliban is Pashtun dominated and Pashtun live on both sides of the border. The border means little to them and Pakistan can't do anything about it. They control a checkpoint now. Major powers could not defeat them and Pakistan suffered with their resistance also. If the world can't beat these tough mountain people then let them rule their land. The largest tribe in Afghanistan also is Pashtun so let them rule.

@@mahmudshiil135 Why are they claiming sovereignty over non-Pashtun areas? It seems like a double-standard to behave in such a way. All of these groups - foreign and domestic - are too power-hungry to even entertain a multi-state solution. It hardly even comes up.

@@fuzzydunlop7928 i don't condone it but it is obvious the largest ethnic group in every country wants to rule and dominate the politics and Pashtun are the largest, they believe in Taliban and they said they will build inclusive government. Let's see how that works out for them. The world can't do anything now.

@A Fels China is in bed with Taliban.

@@Alaryk111 China really hopes they're in bed with the Taliban. The Taliban's only interested so long as they provide money and weapons, same song different verse.

Rebel inc players: hey I’ve seen this before

Don't let that VICE documentary warp your world view. Yes there is corruption but the real story was more complicated than that documentary presents it to be. Its not true that no one wants to do the nation building. A huge number of people flooded into Afghanistan since 2002, for exactly that purpose. It was interesting how many varied groups came from all over the world to try build a healthy, democratic enlightened nation.

@@sharnistevens1428 Well the thing is Democracy may not be what countries like Afghanistan needs. Implementing a Democratic government into a tribal country might be one of the first mistakes here. The only time I ever remember Afghanistan actually being unified is when it was a monarchy that all tribes serve under.

@@imlivingunderyourbed7845 we want Shariah Law in Afghanistan without Western interference as Afghanistan is 99.99% Mualim. Taliban are doing a good job at being a centralized government. The problem is the petty US sanctions and the US theft of the Afghan assets, both which is making the humanitarian crisis which started under the US-Ghani regime worse becausethe new Afghan govts hands are tied so they can'tbuild the economy & country back faster. The great thing about the new Afghan government is that they are honest, ethical and work extremely hard...they are leaders who aren't afraid of hard work and not politicians who just talk crap and lie. Another problem is that all sectors were left in a mess under the US-NATO watch and they know this but don't ever speak about it and blame the our new Afghan govt.

It sounds like the coalition was still trying to win the "hearts and minds" of the people there and they figured it wouldn't be helpful to call them out for getting high all the time. If they could have waited until they were off duty it might not have been so bad but everyone needs to be totally focused while on duty in case they run into an ambush.

Blame the Soviets

The monarchy was perfect for Afghanistan.

@@gavinisdie Blame america not the soviets. they already where gone when this happened,. sure they wanted to invade afghanistan first. but when pakistan america and israel created the mujahedeen they knew they couldnt win it. the mujahedeen was literally created to fight against the soviets. so the soviet knew they couldnt win after loosing 15K soldiers. and moved themself out of afghanistan. Then the Mujahedeen took over till 1994 when the Taliban was created. created by america israel and pakistan. to fight against the Mujahedeen which like i said was created by america as well. and from that day on all things went wrong as we know. then in 2001 bush invaded afghanistan under lies. Bush told the world that the taliban knew where osama was hidden. but the taliban didnt know. so he invaded afghanistan anyway. the invasion of afghanistan in 2001 was because of 9/11. which as also a false flag created by america israel and saudi arabia. more then half of the hijackers where from saudi arabia. Al Qeada who was behind it. Also an american/israel created terrorist group was responsible for it. with the help ofc of america saudi arabia and israel. so why didnt america attack israel and saudi arabia? well those are their allies. they literally sponsor and have the lead over the american government/congress. Thats how all of this started. not because of the soviets. if you want to talk about something know facst. not some propganda that the west have been telling you.

@@metalvideos1961Dude you sound like Kim Jong un over here ranting about western propaganda when the monarchy’s destruction had nothing to do with America😂

@@gavinisdie The Monarchy was toppled by the King's cousin Daoud Khan who violently repressed anyone deemed sympathetic to Islamism or Communism, which was what triggered the Communist revolution. The man was an idiot

it's mental how long these have been in production, lovely to fly apparently.

Thank you! Let me know when the podcast is up!

Hope they're safe 🙏

@@hehehehehohohoho3246 thank you 🙏🏽 They aren’t taking any great risks at the moment. They’re waiting for the borders to open. It’s just such a heartbreaking and scary situation.

@@hehehehehohohoho3246 They finally made it back to the US. It’s a long and crazy story. One of the most frustrating parts is that the US government did zero to help them return. This is after countless emails and calls to all of our reps, different agencies etc.

@@Lemoncatsf That sounds like an absolute nightmare but I'm very glad they're safe and sound They must be very brave to go through all that

@@hehehehehohohoho3246 Very brave and wily. Our friend used his smarts and some type of lucky grace to get out 🙏🏽

Nation states matter. "Afghanistan" only existed because of its dynasts.

I think it has to do with it being an extremely remote region with many mountains dividing the country which explains why there were so many warlords in Afghanistan

Difficult terrain + close to non-existent infrastructure to link.

in a word, mountains

@@EresirThe1st ironic since you're advocating primitive cave man shit like the taliban lol..

the regular Afghan army is full of bloody idiots though. No one is denying that

Inevitable outcome

That was a good documentary

For real, if we want to stay in these countries, then we need to rule them ourselves. Otherwise, go in with a purpose, and then gtfo asap.

Ah, love it when yt commenters discover colonialism. Seriously, the US are what got them into this situation in the first place, suggesting they directly govern is like putting out fire with flaming torches.

@The Big Kiwi Well that rules out the US

ok but.... then what Try to transition to a civilian government later? You'd probably run into all the same problems Just keep the military governor there permanently and make it a colony?

@@jasondaveries9716 if you're crawling, what's the point of me giving you a bicycle if you haven't even mastered walking yet? If you are going to invest in something, you might as well hold the reins into that person is capable to stand on their own.

ANA still had more weapons and military planes and equipment than Taliban, so stop making excuses for them. Many ANA soldiers realised that there was no reason to fight their own anymore, so didn't fight and were sent home by Taliban. ANA was attacked in many areas when civilians heard that Taliban were on there way. In Khost, civilians mobilized to fight the KPF, the US trained special unit rabid dogs & ANA, alongside the Taliban. You had to see the heros welcomes Taliban got as they rolled through the country in those few days...I guess your media forgot to show u that. Basically, you forgot the most important part...majority of Afghans support Taliban and now the new Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan government and wanted the foreign occupiers out and that the US had no right to illegally invade Afghanistan. Even atheists were supporting the Taliban, which surprized me too as i thought that they would support the foreign occupiers but an American on Twitter said that his atheist friends were supporting Taliban to get rid of the foreign invaders. August 15th 2021 was the happiest day for majority of Afghans, except those traitors and puppets who lost their power, privilege and paychecks.. Then we watched NATO run away chaotically, which was great, except when many of our ppl were shot by the unprofessional US soldiers firing indiscriminately after the ISKP attack and many Talibs getting killed in the iskp attack too at the Kabul Airport and then the US drone strike Killing 10 Afghans. Only the Afghans who benefited from the foreign occupiers were happy with the foreign occupier terrorists staying forever, no one else. Taliban are Afghans, our own people, not foreign invader oppressors. Taliban fought for 20yrs to free us from the foreign occupier terrorists and their evil puppets. The US should've never been destroying and interfering in other countries, stayed on their own soil and protected their own country instead of apparently allowing 2 planes to be stolen and crashed into buildings but instead they are destroying all our countries and acting as of they are doing something good & are our saviours. We never wanted your democracy. Who wants to be like woke democratic America when we have our own religion, culture and values! Your democracy in itself is a joke...the West is falling apart. Till today, the US can't let go of Afghanistan and is still sanctioning and stealing the Afghan assets and interfering and spying on Afghanistan...move on already, 20yrs was too much, face the loss especially after Taliban were willing to apprehend and try or send OBL to The Hague/3rd country where he would get a fair trial once the US provided proof that OBL was guilty of 9/11 but the US choose to illegally invade and wage a 20yr war causing lose, destruction and sending our ppl to Guatanamo Bay and using enhanced torture techniques there and at Bagram etc.

thats exactly what has been happening for nearly the entire war. Special forces units were almost always used successful against the taliban. But this caused them to be overused and strained.

USA cannot fight unconventional war and win. The USA is not good at that. Look at Vietnam

I think places with high corruption enable that corruption when folks don't see it as corruption. It made me question what things I see as natural that are really just corruption.

lmao numbers=quality???

@@alfijibril611 Enough to beat NATO and NATO trained soldiers.

@@masoodjalal1152 you're right

@@alfijibril611 well we can say that the taliban are seasoned soldiers after decades of war

@@alfijibril611 than why do you think Germany lost against the soviet union?

It depends what you call for "win". If the US had left right after murdering OBL they could have just call it a day. But they choose to build a "democratic state" for honestly no good reason. I mean i guess publicity is important, but still a very dumb thing altogether....

Best way would be to flatten all the mountains and the mass oppression of tribes who support them, mainly pashtun tribes.

@@ShinigamiInuyasha777 "No good reason" is that they wanted stability--a pro-American democratic Middle Eastern country would've been a bonus (pipe dream or not, it would've been a bonus) but at the very least, one less potentially volatile chunk of land right in the middle of Eurasia. Walk in, shoot, and leave doesn't end the conflict; just changes the target to the next warlord in charge. Turns out they couldn't end the conflict anyway.

Did they soviet Union not try to depopulate the area in their war? This is what caused women and children to go to neighbouring countries. These children would find refuge in extremists schools and form the Taliban.

@@ShinigamiInuyasha777 their objective was to remove the taliban from power. by this definition they lost

"Being forced to signing a treaty that did not benefit the Southern Government such as having Northern troops stay in the South" LOL. And what credibility did South Vietnam have exactly? South Vietnam formed because they didn't want to lose elections which they would so they said screw democracy and created their own pseudo-state.

The US logistical and material support remained a lot longer in South Vietnam, and the ARVN managed to hold out for a while on that.

China had no involvement in afganistan we would have found out if they did amd sanctioned the shit out of them or worse. China's hands are clean as far as the war on terror in afganistan...

I also found that odd...

"Survival tip #1: Do not die"

USA is the biggest terrorist threat in the world. Don't agree with their ideas or don't align with them? They will constantly try to destroy your country first through economic means and covert operations including fueling propaganda against you, and eventually it turns into an invasion and occupation. Please USA, get out of other countries

The other things were horrible but marching naked doesn't seem THAT bad if it was really as got as you're saying (as long as they got a towel or underwear or something) 😂

Lolz

@@srbtlevse16 well, if you're marched naked by enemies in front of your people, you will feel dishonored, and to afghans, honor is everything

@@wantedai6689 ignore them, they didn't lose anyone like we did in Dasht-e Leili. Dostum the rabid dog should not get general amnesty...he should be h u n g.

Not quite, the Soviet-Mujahideen war lasted from 1979-1989 and the Taliban appeared in 1994. More likely that Rambo's Mujahideen buddies spent the early 1990s killing each other for control of the country and the Taliban mopped them up.

@@grahamcarpenter5135 Not true im fdom afghanistan most the original mujahideen joined the taliban. in fact taliban itself formed as a faction of the mujahideen

@@grahamcarpenter5135 Now Rambo will have fight his old Mujihadeen buddies with the help of his new friends, ISIS-K.

that is the most inaccurate summary of Afghanistan history ever. the initial "Westernization" you are talking about was done with help from USSR under Daoud Khan who himself came into power with help of the PDPA (which btw despite being influenced by Marxist Leninism wasn't communist). Daoud started acting tyrannical and sidelined PDPA, and when one of the prominent member of PDPA was murdered( Daoud's government was one of the major suspect) PDPA organized major protest. Daoud arrested almost all the major members of PDPA which sparked the Saur revolution when PDPA came into power. Also, PDPA didn't create mess, other than the partial failing of their land distribution program not much bad decision were made. PDPA started modernizing the country even more by giving women more representation, giving them opportunities for education, abolition of dowry, etc. this pissed off the conservatives who started terrorist activities against the government. the government asked USSR for help. US wanted USSR to have their own "Vietnam", so they started funding the terrorists and totally destabilized the country, US continued funding terrorists even after USSR left.

@@ShantanuShinde1 True, the westernization only came when NATO invaded and established a democratic government.

I worked in college for a gentleman who was a provincial governor under the king and even hosted him at his house for dinner. Most people don’t realize that Afghanistan was relatively stable up until the early 1970s.