How Do Motorcycle Exhaust Pipes Work?

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Cycle World

Cycle World

6 жыл бұрын

Exhaust-pipe design greatly influences engine performance, as Cycle World’s Technical Editor explains in this video.
Instead of talking about stress concentration leading to cracks and failure, I'm going to talk about how things work when things are just fine. In this case, exhaust pipes. What we hope to accomplish with a correct design is to convert some of the otherwise-wasted exhaust energy coming out the exhaust port or exhaust valve into something useful for making power.
Years ago, the late Gordon Jennings in his little book, Two-stroke Tuner's Handbook, explained how a two-stroke pipe works, and it still works the same way. When the piston begins to expose the exhaust port, a pulse of high-pressure gas-80 to 100 psi-enters the pipe. It travels at the local speed of sound, which, because the exhaust gas is very hot, is very high, like 2,700 feet per second.
When it encounters the widening part of the pipe, the exhaust gas can expand somewhat. When it does, it sends a wave of expansion back to the cylinder. So the whole time the exhaust pulse is traveling down this widening part of the pipe, it is continually sending back a low-pressure signal. Upon reaching the cylinder, it increases the pressure difference across the transfer ports and helps pump fresh charge into the cylinder from the crankcase.
During the time no action is required, the pressure wave travels down a center section of constant diameter. Meanwhile, back at the engine, the piston has reached bottom center and is starting back up on compression. It closes the transfer ports but the exhaust port is still open. The rising piston may push fresh charge out the exhaust, thus wasting it. But a converging or reverse-cone pipe sends back a wave of positive pressure.
That wave arrives in the cylinder just as the piston is about to close the exhaust port, and it pushes any fresh charge lost into the exhaust port back into the cylinder, the piston closes the port, and compression continues as the piston rises. So a two-stroke pipe is an air pump; it helps the pumping of the engine. Normally we think the crankcase in a two-stroke pumps fresh charge into the cylinder, but it gets a lot of help from the pipe.
In the four-stroke case, the pulse of pressure-again, maybe 100 psi at full throttle-travels at the local speed of sound down the header pipe until it reaches a junction, where it joins one of the other two headers. That’s a point of expansion. Wherever there is a point of expansion, a negative wave of pressure is reflected back up the pipe. If the engine is operating at the designed rpm for this effect that low pressure will arrive in the cylinder during overlap.
This negative wave arrives just in time to draw out the exhaust gas that is sitting above the piston at top dead center. That low pressure propagates across to the intake valve and starts the intake process early, before the piston has even started to move down. So, in effect, this pipe is advancing the occurrence of some intake by sending back a negative wave. In the rpm range at which this effect is designed to operate, it boosts torque.
At some lower speed, instead of being a negative pressure wave with its beneficial result, the wave is positive, which blows more exhaust gas back into the cylinder, into the intake pipe, and even into the airbox. This produces the dreaded “flat spot.” All you can do is convert from one type of pipe, a 4-into-1, into another, a 4-into-2-into-1. That provides a second negative point of expansion, which can cancel part of the positive wave.
So the flat spot is filled in, maybe not completely, but it’s not a place of no return, thereby increasing acceleration. When I realized this is how a 4-into-2-into-1 worked, I walked around the garage area in Daytona looking for a 4-into-1. I didn’t find a single one. Every four-stroke racing at Daytona that year was using a 4-into-2-into-1 because it improves acceleration by keeping torque high most of the time.
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@user-yk6um2ig2l
@user-yk6um2ig2l 8 ай бұрын
..born in 1960, I've repsected your opinion through a succesful snowmobil and H2 Kaw bike racing. THANK YOU For your input. PEACE GRD
@rickyrecodo5406
@rickyrecodo5406 Жыл бұрын
wow your explanation is very helpful in understanding backflow
@blacklight4460
@blacklight4460 Жыл бұрын
It is a great honor to be a YT student of Mr. Cameron. Kevin was the best m/c tech magazine writer 40 years ago and has forgotten 100x what I'll ever know. I still have my precious Two-Stroke Tuner's Handbook, too. A well designed expansion chamber can give a -7psi and + 7psi scavenging/charging boost with it's pull-push effect.
@mosesadk454
@mosesadk454 8 күн бұрын
I always learned from reading articles in Cycle magazine by Gordon Jennings and Kevin Cameron. I bought and still have my copy of The Two Stroke Tuners Handbook. I actually made seven pipes based on the formula for snowmobiles back in the day.
@cigarobsession
@cigarobsession 6 жыл бұрын
Huge thank you for killing the jump cuts. LOVE this series, it’s awesome to see people with serious knowledge sharing it!
@Diger65Line
@Diger65Line 3 жыл бұрын
The most straightforward explanation yet, many thanks.
@michaelminster9036
@michaelminster9036 4 жыл бұрын
Well that was the best 7:32 minutes I’ve used. Learnt more then than ever before. Thanks.
@RODRIGO12345273
@RODRIGO12345273 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@Amlaith246
@Amlaith246 4 жыл бұрын
That is probably the best explanation video on whole youtube
@Deltaworks23
@Deltaworks23 6 жыл бұрын
Wow, that is fascinating information. I had no idea how something like exhaust pipes, which seem so simple, have so much engineering that goes into them. Thank you!
@sanoronha1963
@sanoronha1963 6 жыл бұрын
Wow. Fascinating. That is why the OEM is so imp. Thanks
@CindyBallreich
@CindyBallreich 6 жыл бұрын
I don't know what prompted me to watch this, but I'm glad I did. Absolutely fascinating. Thank you!
@MrBlueberrypie44
@MrBlueberrypie44 6 жыл бұрын
It is amazing the amount of engineering that goes into an exhaust. It's easy to think that the manufacturers just stick some metal on to abide by Euro 3/4 emissions, but a lot goes into the process. However, I can imagine how some limitations in power & torque result in behest of regulations - hence aftermarket products + tuning can gain extra results. Cool video
@alporroing
@alporroing 3 жыл бұрын
thanks a lot for taking the time to make this video. Its Fantastic.
@user-cx2bk6pm2f
@user-cx2bk6pm2f 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant! Thanks Kevin for these expert words.
@joehart6406
@joehart6406 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Mr. Cameron I remember your articles in the magazine a ummm well a few decades ago . The good old days roberts spencer laguna seca rides up highway one.
@AlbertDongler
@AlbertDongler Жыл бұрын
Beautifully explained. Thank you!
@ajinkyagawade7176
@ajinkyagawade7176 4 жыл бұрын
Best explanation i have ever seen No one explained it so deeply Ajinkya from India
@Anakwad
@Anakwad 6 жыл бұрын
That was really cool and easy to digest, thanks !
@rogeliooviedo5985
@rogeliooviedo5985 4 жыл бұрын
I learned so much from Kevin, and still do. Gracias
@mattydoesmoto623
@mattydoesmoto623 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this explanation! I like that you explained things slowly and in a way that made sense, without using big words or fancy jargon!
@monteiro5306
@monteiro5306 6 жыл бұрын
Amazing as always.
@daddyvinn
@daddyvinn 5 жыл бұрын
this explains exhaust functions clearly.. thank you
@impalaSS65
@impalaSS65 3 ай бұрын
Glad to see how many that understands perfectly well, what an absolute treasure Kevin Cameron is. In truth, "we're not worthy". His book "Sportbike Performance Handbook" (a wheelieing black zx11 on the cover) gave me way more than I ever can use fully. I'm an engineer (though far from brilliant and not automotive) by trade and I have quite a few books about muscle car related topics and automotive engineering textbooks. In my humble leyman opinion: apart from the factory workshop manual for your bike(s) - you won't need another source to understand and optimize your bike.
@rogerwilliams4742
@rogerwilliams4742 4 жыл бұрын
Very cool. Easy to understand.
@plasma081
@plasma081 3 жыл бұрын
I follow your awesome comments full of tecnology like almost 20 years in the Magazíne Cycle World ....Congratullations hoy are the best in año related about 2 wheels technology
@R0BL0W
@R0BL0W 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I found this fascinating
@prayanjaltomar752
@prayanjaltomar752 3 жыл бұрын
“After engine, exhausts are the most research based component in a motorcycle ".Thnks sir for providing this knowledge
@josepca89
@josepca89 6 жыл бұрын
Nice video, thank you for sharing
@williamwallace5201
@williamwallace5201 6 жыл бұрын
Now I know something I didn't know before. Thank you
@amgetnauld
@amgetnauld 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating 🧐 never knew. Thought exhaust was only to quieten noise . Spooky music ,love it
@dannypw
@dannypw 4 жыл бұрын
Very good video, really educational
@1hardflow
@1hardflow 13 күн бұрын
thank you for this video
@gabrielbsalvatori
@gabrielbsalvatori 10 ай бұрын
Thats absolutely masterclass
@denisrailey777
@denisrailey777 6 жыл бұрын
Mechanical Guru. Thankyou master.
@blipco5
@blipco5 6 жыл бұрын
Intake and exhaust, the true dark art of motorcycle design.
@dnzrdm
@dnzrdm 6 жыл бұрын
this is amazing.
@betruly7894
@betruly7894 Жыл бұрын
Waoooo !! Thank you so much never anyone did explained me that
@grabir01
@grabir01 6 жыл бұрын
Had not considered the negative pressure wave... Danke :)
@edjackson4389
@edjackson4389 6 жыл бұрын
Love it!
@zrkn1
@zrkn1 6 жыл бұрын
I love it !
@demoncleanersmith9403
@demoncleanersmith9403 3 жыл бұрын
I have a small horizontal pipe linking the two middle pipes on my k6 750 suzuki, is there an awesome description of it's purpose available? =)
@Chopbreaka
@Chopbreaka 6 жыл бұрын
Great video series Kevin ! Do you still ride sir and if so which bike currently ? Thanks
@radioaktivejay
@radioaktivejay 6 жыл бұрын
amazing
@rsmail7426
@rsmail7426 3 жыл бұрын
Thank your sir.
@motocomconteudo497
@motocomconteudo497 5 жыл бұрын
Kevin! We want a channel with more precious info like this one.... If you go for a 24/7 live transmission... let me know.. I quit my job and buy all the coffee that is.
@seanreisdorf1307
@seanreisdorf1307 4 жыл бұрын
hey Kevin ... great technical videos I'm an ASE Master Certified Automotive Technician and an automotive instructor I Just bought my first fuel injected bike and they looked at me strange when I asked to buy a service manual too ... but that's a story for another day My question is ... I bought a 2019 Fury (non-ABS) and ALL the aftermarket exhaust companies telling me I need to buy tuner with their exhausts. However, my bike, while it has a catalytic converter, does NOT have an O2. Therefore, by leaving the CAT installed and just modifying the exhaust baffles, won't the ECM MAP detect and adjust fuel trims accordingly? I started by cutting a 9/16" hole into my baffles and find no negative side affects at this time. The bike sounds better but I want more and am thinking of removing the baffles completely (NOTE) the baffles in the furry are NOT part of the CAT. Thoughts? Thanks in advance Sean
@epride38
@epride38 5 жыл бұрын
That background music make me like a kid listening to story tale.
@makantahi3731
@makantahi3731 10 ай бұрын
speed of sound depends on gas temperature , so at 15c it is 340m/s , but at 1000c it is 717m/s
@Saxyct
@Saxyct 4 жыл бұрын
HI Kevin, thank you for your great videos! I didn't understand the low rpm flat spot. The first expansion point creates a low pressure wave (due to the change in air impedence at the interface which reflects back the pressure wave with opposite phase) which comes back to the cylinder. This is clear. Therefore the only difference between optimum rpm and lower rpm should only be the timing of when the reflected negative pressure wave arrives at the cylinder. Why would a lower rpm create a positive pressure wave?
@makantahi3731
@makantahi3731 10 ай бұрын
because max negative pressure is pointed on some high rpm, so it is logic that on some lower rpm is opposite situation
@DoomFinger511
@DoomFinger511 5 жыл бұрын
This music made me feel like I was watching a Harry Potter movie if Dumbledore was a mechanic.
@jacobgarza2417
@jacobgarza2417 3 жыл бұрын
You're a Mechanic, Harry!
@SPd.Triple
@SPd.Triple 4 жыл бұрын
You are wise! We are not worthy..... Thanks subscribed 😁
@akupehsluarketatAR
@akupehsluarketatAR 5 жыл бұрын
So, can a catalytic in a stock pipe cause positive pressure back into the cylinder at high rev?
@richardperry21
@richardperry21 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Great video, 4/2/1 is exactly what I need to design for my Lycoming 4 cylinder, IO-360-Turbo inner cooled, horizontally opposed, flat-plane crankshaft, racing airboat engine max rpm is 2650! can you answer my question? Which (2) cylinders in the firing order are connected to the 4 into 2? thanks Richard
@makantahi3731
@makantahi3731 10 ай бұрын
aim those with longest timing between spark , to get max power on high rpm
@napper1496
@napper1496 4 жыл бұрын
My zx9r gets buzz thru bars and pegs.ive checked almost everything. Could it be something to do with exhaust pressure. I think I have 4-2-1
@RY4NP
@RY4NP 5 жыл бұрын
This is where "tuned length headers" come from? ...how do they work out the correct length for the "tuned length headers"?
@WhiteWhite60
@WhiteWhite60 6 жыл бұрын
Hope I'm not too late for comments/questions. I acquired a 2001 Yamaha 1600 cc Roadstar. The first owner is a motorcycle mechanic. I'm the third owner. I'm restoring the bike because I suspect the modifications to it may not have been well thought out. Specifically, the first bend in the header of the tailpipe has a crimp in it. Common sense tells me that no matter the dimensions of the rest of the pipe, this crimp narrows the pipe. Could it be that this crimp is intentional in the design and serves a legitimate function? Or, was it the best someone could do on installing cool looking exhausts?
@Botzz28
@Botzz28 6 жыл бұрын
Hello I have a quick question for ya. Love your videos btw! I am hearing a slight clicking noise coming from my engine (Honda grom 2018) any idea what this can be? It seems to get louder after I’m done riding. Love to hear your thoughts 💭
@samiranphukan8441
@samiranphukan8441 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's because the silencer is stretching after its very hot
@dustinbailey9548
@dustinbailey9548 3 жыл бұрын
So anything after that pipe doesn't affect performance such as the silencer?
@mohba01
@mohba01 6 жыл бұрын
genius indeed
@AvaPxiaO
@AvaPxiaO 6 ай бұрын
tz750d I can't believe it has been such a long time since ... Enjoy your endless conveying of knowledge as you always did. I for one learned to think differently after so many assumptions were torn down by 1st hand scientific knowledge you offered.
@robzecc
@robzecc Жыл бұрын
Fantastic explanation
@louiswooley966
@louiswooley966 3 жыл бұрын
The music! Do you know Bill C in Corona Calif? Bill's Pipes
@naveedaka
@naveedaka 6 жыл бұрын
sir..can a tuned pipe in four stroke get the volumetric efficiency above 100%??
@R0BL0W
@R0BL0W 6 жыл бұрын
naveedaka yes it can. The velocity of the intake charge is so high as it goes through the intake valve that it compresses under its own inertia as it reaches the bottom of the cylinder. If the exhaust is correctly tuned that results in compression occurring in the cylinder even before the valves have closed
4 жыл бұрын
Is there any formula for certain cylinder volume and/or RPM to calculate proper exhaust pipe shape?
@makantahi3731
@makantahi3731 10 ай бұрын
yes but it is too complicated to solve on fingers, too much variables (and no shape, than volume and length and with what cylinders to combine if is 421)
@UtkarshPrabhu
@UtkarshPrabhu 4 жыл бұрын
What happens if we install 2 stroke pipe in a 4stroke 125 cc mopped engine?
@SweatyWalrus
@SweatyWalrus 6 жыл бұрын
That music tho...
@shivanksolaris
@shivanksolaris 5 жыл бұрын
Can you explain why? I have a ninja 650, it has too many bends in the exhaust, Immediately coming out of the cylinder block, while the inline 4 has straight line,
@mr_sowong9464
@mr_sowong9464 4 жыл бұрын
Mostly aesthetic and packaging
@svgs650r
@svgs650r 27 күн бұрын
What are good references for exhaust tuning math?
@paulocarreiro5855
@paulocarreiro5855 6 жыл бұрын
And that, kids, is why homemade exhausts are a bad ideia!
@anon2060
@anon2060 4 жыл бұрын
Paulo Carreiro idea*
@angelocardoc
@angelocardoc 6 жыл бұрын
I have a 180° inline twin. The two exhaust runners have a pipe joining them. This is apparently to improve mid range power at the sacrifice of top end power. Why does this phenomenon happen???
@jaronjohnson9851
@jaronjohnson9851 6 жыл бұрын
A T Same reason, scavenging. With most designs, you’ll only end up moving peaks and dips around(assuming the design wasn’t absolute dog poop in the first place). You may wind up killing the absolute top because scavenging isn’t as efficient at that RPM, but you have a more usable torque curve. You may kill the bottom end, but that doesn’t matter because it’s a race bike and you aren’t going to see 5000 RPM while on track. Your goal is to move the peak in the areas you use more often (resulting in higher average torque) while moving the dips to an RPM range you don’t use much if at all (a Harley isn’t going to make use of a scavenging at 8000 RPM). Or you can develop an exhaust system that makes power nowhere except at the top. This looks great on spec sheets (gains of 20 Hp!!!) but you lose torque (and therefore power) at all other points along the curve, and ultimately wind up with a slower bike. Assuming similar RPM, average torque (aka area under the curve) is what wins in a straight line.
@ANILTV82
@ANILTV82 6 жыл бұрын
old man bet you were a player at age,nice informative stuff thou!
@krazie2489
@krazie2489 Жыл бұрын
Could you add the cone collector to the 4-2-1 header for more scavenging??
@RFpipes410
@RFpipes410 5 жыл бұрын
nice work... i made exhaust too
@markhill8983
@markhill8983 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the exhaust sound waves travelled at 500m/s, gas speed was closer to 125m/s?
@edclark1119
@edclark1119 6 жыл бұрын
I have that book. Gordon was my godfather.
@wordreet
@wordreet 6 жыл бұрын
Car engines, commercial and agricultural and even engines do this too, as the makers want to be able to advertise how efficient their own product is.
@AlienPizza38
@AlienPizza38 4 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍
@reidadams4277
@reidadams4277 2 жыл бұрын
Aaaaand now my search for after market slip on exhaust has become more complicated and expensive.
@johnycreamcorn
@johnycreamcorn 6 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the 600 header is a 4 into 1 it has 4 primaries going In one collector then out to one pipe a 4,2,1 has 4 primaries into 2 pipes then into one collector
@porkchopspapi5757
@porkchopspapi5757 4 жыл бұрын
Watch again. He explained that.
@wtbofnc7880
@wtbofnc7880 4 жыл бұрын
Is this why funny cars use mufflers? LMFAO
@Gearsandbolts
@Gearsandbolts 3 жыл бұрын
You got the idea old man, but exhaust reversion contaminates the mixture and that's no bueno. Just think about it for a second, if you bread carbon monoxide will help your performance? Ah, before I forget 2t and 4t engines are not the same and not all engines have overlap.
@porkchopspapi5757
@porkchopspapi5757 4 жыл бұрын
So, back pressure IS desirable.
@samiranphukan8441
@samiranphukan8441 5 жыл бұрын
Daytona with a 4 cyl engine??🤔🤔 Did I heard that right🙄🙄
@rippin187
@rippin187 5 жыл бұрын
When he was *IN* Daytona....
@MunsKi
@MunsKi 4 жыл бұрын
so a negative wave travels back to the piston and becomes low pressure? i dont get it.... in my imagination it is the inertia of the gas comming out the pipe that makes the negative pressure at the piston to make way for incomming fresh charge of fuel and air
@wtbofnc7880
@wtbofnc7880 4 жыл бұрын
MunsKi yeah, I thought the same... sounds like a load of hot air
@daos3300
@daos3300 3 жыл бұрын
Munski except physics is reality, and your imagination is just that
@Matt-kt9nm
@Matt-kt9nm Ай бұрын
This is why making your own 2stroke exhaust is probably going to hurt performance.
@tedantares2751
@tedantares2751 6 ай бұрын
Get rid of background music. What's the purpose of it? To make the perception of your narration even harder?
@gerry343
@gerry343 6 жыл бұрын
Great video spoilt by the soundtrack. That 'music' is like the f^^king Chinese Water Torture- pleeease make it stop!
@blackericdenice
@blackericdenice 5 жыл бұрын
Bull shizzle. The muffler is designed that way to cut down on noise.
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