I am really curious about who your favorite character is...

Hamon Beat what would you think would happen if king crimson didn’t have epitaph, do you think it would be used more like the world

@@heyimhereonyt that is a really good question

Obligatory King Crimson Time Erase joke

Hamon Beat Now the only doubt I have left about King Krimson is why the fortune teller alley was empty and clean after the skip, after the kid sees him. In the deleted time Diavolo cleaned up the scene and hid the objects and the body ?

Lmfao yesssss

Yes

What kind of enemy are we dealing with

that loterally summed up the whole thing. No wonder i couldn't understand Anasui ezplaining kenzo's stand ability

Correct

I said the EXACT same thing to my friend. Such an accurate analogy.

so alex yep

We have the same picture

More like the guy that uses cl_interp 5 to appear laggy when he is not and be able to kill people when they are already gone

From the victim's perspective perhaps, though from the user's perspective, your example would be more akin to time stop.

To be fair, from an outside perspective, it does look like King Crimson's power is just skipping time. It's only from Diavolo's perspective that we see what actually happens.

@@Felnal regardless of whether it makes sense in-story, I think most people would enjoy KC's scenes more if they understood what was going on.

Yea honestly, some stand abilities are a bit confusing, maybe we don't need a whole scene where a character ask "what is that?" But at least one of those monologs that characters have while they fight.

@@Felnal tbf its not like araki isn't keen on giving us clear explanations on less complicated abilities before, when it was needed it even added some character in those moments, like kira being able to predict where an air bubble bomb is through math

@@alexjustalexyt1144 isn't that what literally happened when Diavolo impaled Bruno? He not only shows but also explains his ability to the audience. I mean, tbf he didn't explained in excruciating details revolving the course of fate itself but I think if he explained it even further people would complain the anime is monologuing to explain what's literally happening on screen like they do with the Speedwagon scenes

yeah, it's like ripping out the pages of a book, it's not like things on the next page are gonna magically rearrange if you tear something out, it's all predetermined.

It's a very cool power for sure...but idk this is one of those things that seems too broken in my opinion. Dio's time stop was pretty OP too but King Crimson comparatively just takes that and goes to the damn moon.

@@d0minican0milan0 ger literally has Ctrl-z 💀 , and that's why we never get to see giorno ever again

This is why i love araki

@@d0minican0milan0 if you think that's ridiculously OP just wait until you meet Wonder of U

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King Crimson explained (Simplified) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y7CZdMJmutuYgpc.html

@@firstname8044 you bastard

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Tampon Ocean.

KINGU CREAMSON teleports behind you

Heh thats clever

this joke isnt funn- suddenly became a corpse

@@dankpotato8585 Who as- *Becomes a corpse as well*

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I see what you did there...

You should have bolded it like: "fate itself lifts the rock because the rock's fate is to be lifted" that really is *bizarre*

so where I don't fully get it I think what he means is. the rock was fated to be lifted. so even if the cause is removed doesn't mean the effect dispears. King Crimsons ability is even described this way. TO add a little more to this Idea. there's a movie called donie darko that deals with "the philosophy of time travel" and actual time travel. ther'es a scene where a character can see his projected path. he can see where he is going to go before he goes there. the problem is this scenes leads him into his parents bedroom where he discovers a gun. if he could not see fate how would have ended up seeing the gun? in this instance the CAUSE is his ability to see fate. the EFFECT is his finds his parents gun. King crimson ability works in a similar way with one difference. It can free itself from fate. with the rock, trish, the made and rossoto. King crimson was fated to do all of these things. but because of his ability he can remove himself from the initial scene that causes the EFFECT. the effect still happens just without him . in donie darko despite the fact that the character in the movie can see fate. he is still controlled by it. and he can't change it. king crimson Can see fate and remove himself from it. even if he can't remove the effects.

this implies that the two together cause literally nothing to happen, while GER on its own would enable actions like hitting a ball with a bat and it just. Not flying away due to the force of the bat which i guess is a possibility... honestly the way it's presented, GER _looks_ like it reverses time, but maybe that's because it's undoing time erase

@@zoeyuroboros5739 it certainly kind of does look like it just reverses time since its actual ability pertains to making it so that whatever you did - whatever you resolved yourself to do - is simply undone. Meaning that, yea, it looked like it reversed time because it technically did since it undid KC's time skip.

More like Fate: Everyone has to do what I say!!! Diavolo: Hey wait a minute, don't you owe me $20? Fate: ah, there's been a mistake. This one guy is exempt. It was painful doing this format of comment.

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@r_spyder Eh It’s kinda close, a better way of saying it probably would be time continues but Diavolo diverges from it and and everyone forgets what happened while his divergence took place. He literally avoids fate which is way I never quite thought of it.

How much did all of those buzz saws cost?

@r_spyder a bit, in the way that no one remembers what happens, and it’s the same as that except time keeps moving so everything happens as if it did during stopped time, except everyone can move but no one remembers it or has control over what they do

@r_spyder I know how it works, but how it looks like it works is similar to time stop

@r_spyder ok

That's a great point, never thought about how BTD and KC abilities are similar in a way that they both allow the user to manipulate the causality by letting an effect happen while the user is able to avoid having to cause it.

this is a better explanation than the video. do you mind if I copy and paste your comment, to other ppl that are confused?

@@lukyluk_py go for it

@@h4zrd-rs252 thank you

Oh man, that's a WONDERFUL example to help people wrap their minds around the concept. I never see anyone contesting the logic in that scene, even though it is the exact same kind of situation.

But doesn't he erase only his actions? Because when he fights and skips time we can still see the other characters doing what they were going to do, they just won't remember doing such actions.

That is something and it goes further but my biggest problem with it is that he dodges teb attack during it and sometimes just has them pass through him like with narancia bullets of course the one where it passes through is the most logical because the pullets xyz position in 10 secojds will be when in contact with metalica and because that is the result they never where in the position where they made contact with kc yet he dodges attacks and mistakes bullets wich are not even stand ones wich poses a couple questions

@@co7769 yes.

@@co7769 the results of everyone's actions are still there: the cats do step giorno's clothes, narancios does steal the chocolate, giorno does pass fugo a bottle of water. Except that they don't, they didn't do any of those things because king crimson skipped time; only the results of their actions remain: there are marks on giorno's clothes, there's chocolate in narancia's mouth and there is a bottle of water in fugo's hand.

@@maestrofeli4259 they did all those thing, they just can't remember those actions and Diavolo gets invincibility frames during the time skip

So KC'a power is to be able to let Araki take a day off from illustrating and just continue the story with a page left out? Hmm...seems convenient. ^_^

Wow that's a good metaphor.

Yeah for real, this is actually pretty helpful

Hey... You know that 'Epitaph' is actually one of the songs from King Crimson's 1st album? The song was only uploaded a few weeks ago. For years the songs from this album have been taken down, but now they're all on the official channel. Including 21st century Schizoid Man which Kanye West profited greatly from. There are better songs than this on the album. But good coincidence anyway.. Guess the writer of this Jojo thing, is a fan of the band.. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rL6io6mprczUoH0.html

@@PEGGLORE Dude. Did you skip the past 4 parts? Every name in this series is a reference to Music. Like part 4's villain Kira Yoshikage. His stand and it's abilities are all reference to the rock band Queen.

And if you still dont get it, your not paying attention.

Not really, it helps by showing to the people how it works while animated, but it doesn't merely "improve" the explanation, you don't even need the anime to get it.

At the start is a bit complicated to understand, like that extrange Bucciarati scene, but then you easy understand by only watching how he ises it.

David Productions is the right hand wingman of Araki

The 'it just works' meme originates from the manga but it should've died by now

Ah yes, cause nothing like that happened before. Like could you imagine someone finding a road roller, lifting it up and crashing it on someone all in the span of a few seconds ? Crazy.

It’s honestly a fantastic question and a true araki forgot/poor writing. And for the examples where stretching is needed to explain KC, treating it like SP/TW (as you would with the reactions) completely answers the problem. This is just one of those very few instances of poor/inconsistent writing with araki.

You can definitely explain it with KC's incredible speed, his ability to determine the exact amount of time skipped AND that everyone forgets what happened during that time interval outside of Diavolo For the Trish Scene, Diavolo would've only had to skip the moment where he enters the elevator and steals trish before Bruno opens a zipper down to keep up, once the Skip ends Bruno would been left dumb-founded with no memory of the event, and we actually see what might've been a result of that first skip in Trish's hand being left in his, Bruno might've held onto her in reaction to KC forcing Diavolo to cut off her hand so he can take her away (obviously just a theory since that scene is there to make Bruno shit himself mainly, but that's my interpretation) For the Hotel Scene he just grabs everything and leaves, where once skipped time ends the Lady would've remembered nothing For the Narancia scene, again all he had to do is skip the moment where he splits all the bars and a chucks narancia there, and again with how incredibly fast and powerful KC naturally is i don't doubt it being able to split the beams in one swipe and with one motion jam narancia there, with everyone focused on scouting for Diavolo i find it unlikely any of them would react fast enough to throw anything at Diavolo during the skipped time, once it ends again everyone is just standing there dumb-founded no idea what happened

I guess that can be explained with his power making everyone except him, experience memory loss of what happened in those 10 seconds.

During the time skip, anything goes

the characters react to what diavolo woudve done had he not used the skip/epitath abbility . Diavolo can basically escape the conseqences of his actions

So... when GER is around, KC's timeskip causes a time stop?

@@samuelevans738 y e s Maybe?

@@greenman784Basically if KC stops the time, GER cancels the action until KC comes back to the moment it stopped the time, without the time stopping (which is why GER was able to demolish KC before it activated its abillity). Here you go mate.

@@sirrichard5418 . I don't fucking understand anything am I braindead im gonna take an IQ test real quick

GER can basically move you back to the moment you were gonna do it However unlike diavolo making people unconsious, GER doesn’t affect there consciousness at all, and since that’s happening to the outside viewer it just looks like they are being reversed over an over again

That is so true

Pretty much

I always joke its the face someone makes when they get caught doing something bad or embarrassing. Which fits the character i suppose

He looks hella constipated

@@goofygoob420 ur not wrong lmao

Narancia does float up, that's the gravitational pull of fate. This is the case with a stand arrow, if someone is fated to use the arrow, it will move on its own. Also, he says it right here: 5:07

Exactly, and to strengthen your point some it’s all proven in The Rolling Stones arc.

Absolutely.

@@curatedbyit yeah mista breaking the stone, prolonging bucciarati's life but also sealing narancia's and abbachio's fate to die.

I think part of the misconception and lack of understanding comes from the constant meme of 'it ain't a main JoJo villain unless they fuck with time'. Sure, The World and Killer Queen Bites The Dust do manipulate time, but King Crimson and Made in Heaven? Not exactly, or at least not just that. King Crimson can erase/skip time, and also manipulate fate. Made in Heaven doesn't simply 'fast-forward time'; it manipulates gravity to do so.

I understood everything... Except for one part. What's about constant "Blinding enemies with blood" thing? Diavolo several times in skipped time just spilled his blood from his own wound into, for example, Giorno's eyes. How? Is blood fated to get in their eyes and Diavolo just skips time, so they won't have time and reaction to avoid it? Or what? This still bugs me out. (Also I ask you, because you seem to understand it better than me. Thanks in advance)

Except you don't even see yourself floathing

@@illuminatiiluminado4624 That just mean's our boy Narancia had a painless death though right?

@@MegaVirus700 probably

Why is this so funny to think about. Just narancia standing there and then he just fucking levitates and dies

Omfg "final destinationed" 😂

exactly. finally a King Crimson comment

A King Crimson comment, or a King CRIMSON comment?

ik this is late, but king crimson is better than the world: assuming both parties know each other's abilities, diavolo can use epitaph to predict dio's time stop and use time erase to completely avoid his actions in time stop. dio can't do anything about it. time erase isn't better than time stop by itself since it's just a competition of who uses their ability first, but paired with epitaph, dio would've been beaten up

@@ultra_xd that's a great observation. The ability to predict the future is so powerful that even Dio's time stop could easily be countered. You're absolutely right. King Crimson abilities are so OP, Araki had to invent this Requiem stuff to buff Gold Experience. Otherwise Diavolo would be unbeatable.

Lemme tell u something . first off : time stop stops time in the entire universe and even light speed cant do shit , so only inf rotations or gravity manipulators such as c moon Secondly : how time erase works is that it resets the memory of the 10 future seconds except the user himsel + he can predict using epitah BUT like people thinks , when diavolo time erases he IS NOT on an other dimesion Thridly : if both abilities start at the same time . dio would get confused on how diavolo has knives and a donut on his chest as he would have unconciously donuted diavolo in his time stop . Fourth : the amount of time in time stop and ' time erase ' doesnt matter as time erase just erases the future 10s memory while time stop stops the flow of time so even if he ts 1h it would still be 0s in real life .

To make it short . dio time stop ability gives him the power to enter the 4th dimension and only infinite type energies like inf rotation or black holes or gravity manipulators can move . as for king crimson . just imagine u studying then u read a text for 10s and u already forgot what u learned in that 10s . so this is what happens: Dio : Za Warudoo !!! Diavolo : kingu crimson ! -----1s later ----- Dio : wait how is he dead ? I dont remember attacking him or anything

@@ionix831 wrong: diavolo is completely intangible during time erase. so no, if diavolo time erased, dio's time stop would be useless: diavolo wouldnt have been impaled by knives or donutted. dio wouldnt have even noticed that diavolo wasnt impaled, since he moves out in a set path fate chose for him. it really isnt that deep, you dont need to think about it in dimensions. dio stops time and is able to wreak havoc during that stopped time, while diavolo skips time while making himself invincible during that skipped time.

That's why he suffered the worst fate.

Bruh

@@Alfenium Daaamn XDDDDDDD

A wild Natsuki appeared.

Nah, that would be some o' the fans.

this is actually the best way to describe thanks. It can also be described as: King crimson wipes 10 seconds of time from existence. You don’t remember what happened because what you thought in those 10 seconds was wiped out of existence. It also slows people down so you can dodge and go behind them to attack and then resume time.

So in shortcut Epitaph-Predicting Future?

@@karolkrawiecki5368 yea pretty much

Basically

Basically fate is what your meant to do its not something controling you it something you want todo and when you use epitaph you see that you will kill bucciarati but then you decided you didnt want to do the work since fate is fate , fate has decided to do the work this only work when you use time erase when your meant to die use time erase then fate cant catch you anymore if your inside fate cannot harm you but if you are gonna something outside fate will carry it and basically giorno denies fate ;-;

Only if the prediction he views is him insulting that person

Some people just want the world to burn

Im not sure but bc they forgot the insult they probably wont do the Twitter

yes, holy crap YES

Exactly like how tf did happen

Ultimately people care about Stands fight, they're like puzzle games: they're entertaining but only as long as you understand the rules, this is why people want to understand them better. Also just because people focus on one narrative destroying concept doesn't mean there aren't two or more :)

They say that he suffers of double personality syndrome but getting to the extreme where the other personality actually develops it's own physical characteristics, I might be wrong but I heard it has happened in real life or something, something about Germans being observed to have this kind of effect with this syndrome I guess

Doppio has a wig under that sweater, simple

@@RandomL0s3r so his muscles are a wig, got it.

smh how could araki forget this

Why didn't Doppio use Death Note to kill Dio before Giorno was born? smh

Crimson Finger*

Why didn't gio just use golden experience finger smh

Yes yes

Exactly

considering we do not see these specific fates happen we just have to assume somethings such as the events supposed to happen in the elevator happen so fast that bucciarati had no time to react and since he does not remember those events happening anyway the reaction he would have had is gone since there is no context to brew such a reaction. The other explination that could be how it works is that fate does not include a person's reaction to something diavolo did if he skipped time. Lets say diavolo was fated to steal an apple from a fruit seller, he skips time for the whole scene. The seller would have been fated to react to diavolo stealing the apple because he had seen it happen, but because time is skipped he does not remember diavolo ever doing such a thing and as such never catalyzes a reaction from the seller. Besides that diavolo is essentially non-existant during this time frame and even if the reactions were to happen anyway they would not see diavolo because he cannot physically interact with anything and I mean ANYTHING including light so he would be invisible. Of course this doesnt exclude the possibility he cant breathe either but since its 10 seconds does it even really matter?

@@fancymustache3793 So Buccellati had no time to react to the boss breaking the roof of the elevator, jumping in, cutting off Trish's hand, taking Trish in his arms and jumping out of the elevator through the hole in the roof? What an interesting fate

@@nothingwrong2293 Im not sure how fast King Crimson is as a stand (considering the stand stats are based on the ability and not the stand itself) but I think the way it works is by removing him from the process that is removing trish from the elevator it removes any sort of reactions somebody would have to king crimson because well he wasnt actually there. The only times we see him use time skip is when somebody is already reacting to him and is doing something. If they didnt see him before the time skip how would they react during the skipped time if he is removed from it anyway? theres nothing to react to not to mention all memories are erased during it so perhaps besides that nobody remembers anything while its happening either such as not remembering sonebody just got stolen from you unt AFTER the skip is over

@@fancymustache3793 the stand erased his actions+their consequences from the time that was skipped only, not the consequences after it ends. Bucciarati would have seen Diavolo do everything, but seeing how the end result was him walking out of the elevator with Trish with her arm cut off, that was the only thing that happened for real. Bucci doesn't remember it because it never happened. Trish being disarmed and carried out was fated to happen, but the means by which were erased.

It is very overpowered and scary. In fact, Narancia is dead because of this: Diavolo sees a future where he kills Narancia, and skips time to hide his action of killing him

Wait as well as removing himself from the equation he can change it as how he wants right

@@Milwaz34 no because he can’t control fate, he can see fate and avoid it though

It also makes it so you don't remember what happened during the erased time

@@germxxx no im talking about changing his fate since he sees it happen

@@Milwaz34 It's simple fate manipulation. He can see what's gonna happen with the help of Epitaph then change his actions with the help of King Crimson.

Kinda, they also don't notice because it happens after the time erase

This! I was imagining that too lol. Poor rejected fate Diavolo did all the work.

He used king crimson to help him clean

That’s an understatement

@@scarletassassin523 you're absolutely right lmao.

Wait is this sarcasm or

He's also really good at explaining things. I actually enjoy KC so much more now.

And also a racist man

bungeegum bruh, you forgot that that’s not fate doing it, that was still bites the dust. Rohan survived after bites the dust was removed, if it was fate still doing it, then it would’ve happened anyway

@@WinterGray8888 if you can't see the clear connection between btd and Araki's thought process regarding fate, idk what to tell you.

So... are you saying What will happen is What will happen??? Floor is made of floor??

@@WinterGray8888 BtD is literally fate manipulation. When Kira deactivates BtD to fight Josuke, fate progresses normally, which is Kira dying, instead of Kira's fate which is to kill the Duwang Gang. If Kira kept BtD activated when Josuke & Okuyasu met him, the Duwang Gang would have died moments after Rohan did, however Kira wouldn't have risked it because Josuke can quite easily kill him and end BtD itself.

Didnt understand anything but kq was in rohans eye if thats not what thus was about f if so yay

I hate ppl who say that but most of these ppl are just memeing

@@strohimsack2528 ah yes the memes are delicious

@@mithmoonwalker Memes, the DNA of the soul

Is this Spongebob reference ???

I like to imagine Hamon Beat reacting to people saying Araki forgot the same way Fugo did when Narancia got a question wrong. Jojo fan: But Araki forgot- Hamon beat: *stabs with a fork* MEASLY LITTLE PUNK SHIT, YOU THINK YOU CAN MESS WITH ME!?! HOW MANY TIMES MUST I KEEP TEACHING YOU THIS LESSON!?! YOU DENSE CAGAKATZO!!!

💀💀 perfect

Yeah, I think the memes are what really cause this Araki forgot situation. People are going into the series not wanting to take it seriously since all they ever saw before hand was stuff like "Nothing can deflect Emerald Splash!" *Cue Dio deflecting it*. Going into the series solely because of the memes makes it seem like an absolute mess with no thought put into it. Characters say shit and it's immediately proven wrong so any established rules don't matter and any confusion is the manga/animes fault because it's a "dumb, nonsensical series about buff dudes with punchy ghosts and a lot of homoeroticism".

Omniscient Cámmaleon agree. Memes are cute and fun to see, but JoJo fans always turn them in real mistakes and ruin them

@@MysteriousTomJenkins Yeah, people forget (lol) that Kakyoin only ever said that line ONCE at the beginning of the series, and that's only the English dub's translation of the original line line. Originally, it's more of a generic line like, "Impossible! He deflected it...?!" Same goes for people trying to call out Araki for introducing a mirror world with Illuso's Man in the Mirror in Part 5 when Kakyoin argued that such a world couldn't exist. Kakyoin wasn't necessarily wrong at the time because 1) he's not omniscient; how could he know about MitM? and 2) he was merely challenging Polnareff's assumption that Hanged Man belonged to a mirror world. And he was right - Hanged Man was a light-based Stand that could only be seen in reflective surfaces. J. Geil was just PRETENDING that it was impossible to attack his Stand in the mirror.

Naj Adamu Also the line isn’t even that nonsensical. No one can just deflect the emerald splash. Kakyion didn’t know he was fighting literally the most physically powerful stand. No other stand would be able to deflect that move with just their body

Naj Adamu And Kakyoin’s phrase about the mirror is not even completely wrong. The mirror world in part 5 is created by MitM, it’s the stand ability, it does not exist on its own. In fact disappears at the death of Illuso

Ikr

It lets you make moves and counterattacks at basically no opportunity cost to yourself

Thats exactly what I thought, but jojo fans dont want to admit that his power make no sense.

Exactly

@@elmeromogollon this is why i hate Diavolo's stand ability.

My only guess is that all existing interpretations of KC's ability are simply wrong and only Araki knows how this time skip thing actually works

@@nothingwrong2293 I think it could be real simple to explain. Epitaph allows him to see a few seconds in advance. He uses this to know when to skip time. The "time skip" would allow fated events that affect Diabolo to never happen. Meanwhile, he can use this time to do something else. He avoids ten seconds that have now NEVER HAPPENED, and gets a brand new ten seconds. So if you attacked him in skipped time, you'd come out of it having done something completely different, had you never even attacked him. So people who interact with him technically get a new ten seconds too, but those are decided by fate. This would have to include "being observed" so he can avoid the events where people watch him kill. So if you observed him skip time it feels like your brain is skipping, as you come out of it staring at nothing. This would explain the elevator and body swap kill. A least a little. It also explain how he could possibly throw blood at Giorno in skipped time, and why people come out of skipped time not I'm attack position. They instead come out of it I'm a casual posture, or on guard like in the climax. I think. Idk man. I need a census. How does that interpretation read/does it conflict with another event?

and people would still get it despite not remembering what you said, because it was fated

Edgar Stumm unless GER nullifies it before it becomes reality

the real question is how he gets it to stay on his head all his life after defeating DIO

Araki said in an interview that was a part of his head. Probably art reasons.

He glued some of his hair onto the hat which is why you can't tell were it ends

Did you watch the video?? It's more than that

And to show after images of people and to kill people during the time erase and remove objects and it apparently affects the whole world or has very long range ignoring the laid out rules of stand powerlevels(the cat scene) and and he can be hurt when in the stopped time if the plot wants it and he has incredible strength resistance speed and Endurance and he is apparently silent and i think something more. But to be fair he doesn't have the power of good writing so it evens out.

"This is a test." --------------------------------------------------------- "Wouldn't you agree, Jean Pierre Polnareff?"

@@m.s.5370 you like your own comment stfu kid

@@capybara9521 Prove it. I don't give a single fuck about likes on the internet. You really shouldn't just randomly throw around accusations when you know NOTHING about the other person. Makes you look like an idiot.

@@capybara9521 triggered much?

@@capybara9521 cringe as fuck

Indeed. The misunderstanding of King Crimson's ability came from the fact that all source we had back then were poorly translated manga scans. But not understanding it after we got anime adaptation where David Production did amazing job showing King Crimson's ability in detail and when we were provided with official english subs - it became nothing more than prolonging the "It just works" meme. I bet it will be the same for D4C arc in part 7 - now it seems pretty confusing for us, but knowing David Pro they will make it waaaay more clear and understandable than it is in manga.

Am still a little confused on how he spilled blood on giorno since he isn’t supposed to interact during the time skip

@@chat427 that's part of his body so he can do that

It’s because people are twitter while they watch anime

This is Diavolo's blood so it can move while the time skip But once the blood on Giorno it's not anymore considered like a part of Diavolo so it can touch and stay on Giorno. (By the way, Diavolo's surely couldn't touch this blood during the time skip after throw it)

Because Bruno was unaware of it he was mostly not facing Trish and his fated reaction was to scream when he noticed Trish hand

@@daredevil2382 well from what I just heard, kc erases the actions So he erases his action to smash the elevator, slice the daughters hand, and snatch her That's why Bruno panicked and knew the boss was up to something not good

Bruno can only perceive actions that happen in Time. He can't see fate. KC allows Diavolo to skip time, without affecting Fate itself. The time in which Diavolo kidnaps Trish is skipped over, so the actions don't happen, only their consequences do. Bruno would basically see nothing, since everything that happened was skipped. It's just like a YT video: if someone skips 10 secs forward, you perceive the video without knowing what happened during the skipped seconds. However the skipped seconds still happen and so the video is proceeding normally while you're 10 seconds behind on events.

If Trish is fated to be taken by Diavolo, surely Bucciarati would be fated to react. It doesn’t matter if he doesn’t remember anything afterwards. For the bucciarati is skipped time, he would be fated to react because fate dictates that Diavolo enters the elevator, takes Trish and moves out. Since Diavolo skipped time he never was in the elevator, but since he was fated to be in the elevator, bucciarati would be fated to react to him entering the elevator. Theres only 2 explanations for this. Either Bucciarati was fated to not react, somehow. Or Araki didn’t want to write the scene like that and wanted to make King Crimson seem more terrifying.

Same reason why they hate part 6.. part 6 is amazing imo

@@molecularnut6122 I can't deny some problems with part 6, but tbh it's still amazing and doesn't deserve the hate.

MolecularNut omg yes it’s my 3rd best part imo it’s so good

@@snoivernk1021 that some problem already explained if you read the part 6 m8

@@molecularnut6122 My problem is just the pacing not any araki forgots . What are you referring too?

The part that always confused me and others I believe was him sometimes seeming able to affect things in skipped times, and others not. Harmon Beat finally clears this up for me, by explaining that a “fated Diavalo” essentially splits off during skipped time and still does what he was going to do. Scenes like the bullets shown phasing through him make this confusion worse. What is actually happening is the fated Diavalo is hit, but it doesn’t matter.

Well, Diavolo kinda switches between describing it as "skipping time" and "erasing time", which might be where part of the confusion comes from. People have a harder time wrapping their heads around the concept of "erasing time" than merely "skipping time". Plus, the whole "hitting his future self" scene isn't explained super-clearly.

@@najadamu2724 thats diavolo forcing epitaph's vision on bucciarati

@@richardstevenson371 the explanation for the ending of doppio vs risotto scene is simple. Diavolo can alter his fate AND other things' fate as long as that other thing's fate is related to his. If diavolo's fate was to get hit by a rock, he can alter his fate so he doesnt get hit by the rock either by repositioning or by phasing through it. Because the rock's fate was related to his, the rock's fate changed so it didnt hit diavolo. So even if the bullets' fate was to hit diavolo, because he used KING CRIMSON the bullets' fate changed.

@@richardstevenson371 I always thought he just made himself Ethereal so that the bullets passes through him? He says he deleted 0.5s of time so for those 0.5 seconds of time he doesn't exist and the bullets just hit Rissoto.

ngl if i have the same abilities i'd be arrogant too

@@shofierc XD Remind me not to trust you with power. 😂

Not only that, but because of epitaph he doesn't even have to guess what's gonna happen, he can just look into epitaph. Diavolo was literally the first in the series that said he has an invincible stand and be right, and that's just supported by the fact that the only reason they beat him was by giving giorno the requiem which is basically the king of all bullshit. Obviously this isn't mentioning any of the dimensional bs from part 7 onward but for the first 6 parts, apart from ger, king crimson really is the strongest stand

@@alexthegs2624 Nuh uh, The Lock go brrrr. XD /j

@@alexthegs2624 Technically Jotaro could defeat him but yeah he's one of the strongest stand users by far.

and ger removes the effect from the cause right?

@@lewismartin3430 Yes, they're complete opposites

@@lewismartin3430 they're like two sides of the same coin

I’m still confused on king crimsons ability

@@Milwaz34 why

Is that an OPM reference!?!?!?!

@@thepancakedimension8390 is that a jojo reference?

You'd be surprised how many ppl still don't understand or don't listen in this community

So what happens to his body in front of someone? Unlike The World, is it skipping or stopping a certain action in time. Such as I stand in front of you and active KS, 10sec walk behind you in those 10 seconds do you see me just standing there and then I'm behind you? Or is the perception of time stopped viewing me, but forgotten while when I move in skipped time?

@@Cecil_Crow The video answers your questions.

@@highgrove8545 I must've missed it. Could you explain it a bit accurately for me? And what about seeing your future self? How does that work? How did Buchiratti see his future self? Well attack his future self?

Anthony Crowley Think of a line that’s ten feet long, each of those feet are representative of one second. Time stop adds additional feet to the line, whereas time skip colors the line red and allows king crimson to change his actions in it. This line cannot be fundamentally moved. There are certain potential exceptions to this last rule, but it’s important to visualize this nonetheless. I’m regards to time stop, which adds more line, time skip only slightly changes the line. Because they forget what happened in skipped time, it would appear like teleportation to a victim standing still. Because they forget what happens during skipped time, perception of time is entirely irrelevant. Seeing what you’re doing in the future could have three possibilities. I’ve never seen the show or read the manga, but it could change reality entirely to reflect what someone seeing that would do or it could do nothing, and they would be a slave to their fate. Perhaps, however, showing one’s fate to themself could create a self-fulfilling prophecy, where not even diavolo himself has truly free will which would be revealed by way of his own ability. That last bit is slightly more philosophical, but important nonetheless.

Because the part about Fate throwing the rock is not shown from Diavolo's perspective, so you'll have to think harder about this than for other stands.

Can he attack people in stopped time or not? Can other people take actions during stopped time or not? How did he attack Trish and carry her off if he can't? How did Narancia get the chocolate if they can't? Why couldn't Bruno fight KC when he attacked Trish if they can? Why couldn't

@@KieraQ0323 He can not. Here is how King Crimson works: Epitah forsees a certain amount of time, that prediction is FATED to happen. King Crimson activates a few seconds of Time Erasure, during Time Erasure, Diavolo and any extension of himself is ignored by fate, though the consequences of Diavolo's actions are not. During Time Erasure, Diavolo is ethereal and physical attacks can not harm him, he can also not harm anyone else due to this. All Memories formed within Time Erasure are erased aside from Diavolo's own memories. Here is an example by Hamon Beat, Epitah shows Diavolo throwing a rock, Diavolo activates KC and runs a meter away. What happens after Time Erasure is that the rock seemingly throws itself while diavolo teleports a meter away. "Fate" is throwing the rock in this instance. Epitah foresaw Diavolo attacking and carrying Trish away, Diavolo activates KC and blows away the time before Bruno turns around. Fate itself carries Trish to Diavolo. Narancia would always get the chocolate, he just lost the memories of getting it due to Time Erasure. Perhaps Diavolo ordered bruno to not turn around in any circumstance, bruno would follow the order and that's when King Crimson would activate. After the skip, Bruno's memories of the event would be erased, so everything still happens as normal.

@@MisterEcks Giorno's fate is to get stepped on by cats

@@jadenkelly316 Thank you!

If he's fated to take Trish and leave Bruno then that's what'll happen There was nothing for him to see or react to cuz as far as he's concerned nothing.haooened between KCs activation and deactivation He had no reason to do anything to Bruno either It wouldn't make any more sense if he did the stuff you said

No you got it wrong Diavolo never went down the elevator that reality was erased yet the product of that said reality applied for the current reality, and the product in this case would be taking Trish down the elevator. KC's ability is fcking terrifying.

​@@dannysdungareedanceoff8481 I know this was a year ago but i forgot about this but i understand that the time is skipped. But what was originally fated to happen is that trish is taken from the elevator but the fact that bruno is unaffected post skip means that in the original fate kinh crimson just came in and took trish and did absolutely nothing to Bruno which feels pretty incredulous

​@@lukyluk_pythis implies that the product of the original fate involved no fight with king crimson against bruno ehich would be impossible if the original fated path was for kc to come on and grab trish bruno should also be damaged if that's wha rly happened

Problem with that explanation is, you don't have a character that's *immune* to the skips (at least, arguably, until later in the episode where the skips happen at random in small areas). Really, this video just helps explain the seeming inconsistency of how Diavolo can move things around while he's erasing the moment of time where he actually moves them.

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You forgot How time erasure works People are not aware to their actions while time erasure is in cast, basically its like You not caring to a guy that grts murdered infront of your eyes and only realized after 10 seconfs

@@lmao5215 yes but I’m talking about the premonition, where everyone still would react and attack diavolo. For example, when bucciarati attacked diavolo, diavolo initiated a time skip and bucciarati was still attacking where diavolo *would* have been. Since bucciarati’s start and end positions were exactly the same before and after the time skip in the elevator, and that means that in epitaph’s premonition, diavolo broke the ceiling, severed Trish’s hand, and carried her out while bucciarati apparently didn’t notice anything. I’m not talking about the skip, I’m talking about the premonition.

@@jadencadwising9368 about the gang actions, they know what they are doing, they see people and let their conscious do for them after the time skip In Bucciarati case, Trish and Bucciarati doesn't know diavolo was already waiting for them. Diavolo casted premonition and saw that he will open the elevator, chop the hand, and grab trish but he would be seen and Bucciarati may have attack him but by skipping time, he let the fate do it for him and allow his face to be unseen

@@lmao5215 yeah maybe bucciarati attacked him in the premonition and thats why bucciaratis fate changed.

yes king himself

Who would win you vs diavolo

@@Milwaz34 me, beca

Ima make it sound even more simple Diavalo becomes invincible ,invisible, and nobody can hear him which makes all attacks useless

@@Milwaz34 I think DIO would win this is how it would go “ZA WARUDO” *donut* “Ez EZ LOL YOUR BAD” “Bruh ts”

@@b0r3deditzstuff31 diavolo would probably win "im the best a god and evil for literally no reason" "king crimson" *dio fucking dies*

Thanks for the sleep killer before bed.

Considering the skipped time is an objective truth, I would say yes. Unless he moves away from the camera. That shit is way more confusing because his fate was changed, but the cameras fate ro record him was not.

No. Diavalo has a fated course of action like everyone else. This is separate from what he experiences when activating king crimson, where he can act outside of fate. Only the things he was fated to do before skipping will remain. So if he was fated to dab in front of a camera before skipping time, the camera would still capture his image. However, if he was fated not to dab, activates king crimson, and then dabs, the camera wouldn’t see it, lol.

The "Diavolo's Dab" Paradox.

Cameras are tricky, did he do anything with Epitah beforehand? What would even happen if there were cameras during time stop? Magnets work, is that because of the things on DIO's clothes being counted as an extension of him???

i have the same question about narancia. mista (in trish's body) was standing next to trish (in mista;s body, which also had diavolo in it) when narancia died. you mean to tell me mista, along with everyone else, just watched "trish" cut down all the parts of that fence, pick up narancia, and shove him on the stakes? especially narancia??? also, how would the original fate of diavolo be to win that fight anyways? like giorno, buciaratti, trish, mista, and narancia were all just fated to lose to this one guy whose stand isn't even all that physically powerful?

Great days indeed

For a long time i thought joseph saying hamon beam

Too bad he’s racist lmao

Jorge Lazaro ... ... What?

@@obviouslykaleb7998 if you got Twitter just look up “Hamon Beat Racist”

This is either a king crimson moment or a everywhere at the end of time moment

It's an enemy stand

ITS A STAND ATTACK

*This must be the work of an enemy stand*