also one of them is his kid as well. So really it's just "Have fun figuring out which is yours."

@@semideadnat lol, wouldn’t be hard.

@@semideadnat ya its really obvious which of the two has which father. let alone the fact ones older than the other.

@@phoenix7240 no I know, I just made my comment to be funny

IKR?! though her this behavior reminds me of some animal that does it (dont remember which one) so i guess it matches up lmao

Yes! I mean kaname is a text book abuser because of his own issues. He is suicidal most of the story and so is zero. Yuki jumps back an forth between them trying to keep them from killing themselves and both said she couldn't leave them or they would end themselves.

Same

Same after reading more about the truth about Kaname and his motivations behind everything made me dislike him more.

I never like him I read manga only also the manga looks more beautiful

Yes the art is beautiful, i get Death Note vibes and well they are both gothic you can say. Well i always pick Kiryu early on so I didnt care about Kaname lol

I already hated him in the anime since I find him creepy and incest and manipulative and when I read the manga, I hated him even more. The guy is the worst

Reading it as a adult was such a trip. He's actually a wonderful example of a groomer because the whole time he's with Yuki he is treating her like a child. She is to be obedient to him and understand that he knows better than her. He punishes her by removing that love at one point because she stood up for herself. It's so textbook abusive in the manga.

@@jessijaneway6660 omg you’re so right-

Unlimited? 😂 dont you mean unconditional? Uh doesnt sound like uh nvm im not gonna say it

You don't have to be feeling emberassed because the anime was kind of made for the purpose of teens demographic just as Twilight or any vampires storyes had been at that time. The action and the characters have been rather present in a tragic light or romantic kind of way for us teens, who are rather very easily impressed at that age, to root for the tormented Kaname or Zero......After some time and growing up we see them in a diffrent light.

Seriously. I was always Team Zero. Dude is trying to protect Yuki from the elder blood-drinking creep who obviously has plans for her. Kaname has been grooming her from day one.

A normal vampire pregnancy is nine human years. For a vampire, that time might be a fleeting moment, but for a newly awakened vampire it must have been hard for Yuki.

Yes, when I read the manga years back Ren was a boy. Then all of a sudden I read it again recently and she’s a girl. 💀 Im here like what type of mandela effect is this? 😭

It was actually a translation mix up from what I remember because I read it as Ren being a boy too. only to find out a while later the No Yuki and Zero had a girl. So I was so confused and I read it while it was coming out and the news just shocked me lol

@@solaris5922 wait so the kids at 19:28 are both daughters? i thought the left was zero's son lol

@@tinalyzhen yes 😂

And when the mangaka tries portraying Yuki (and Kaname's) parents being siblings and a romantic couple as cute... 🤮

??? Okay unless that is explicitly stated in the manga vampire knight memories, I do NOT believe that. Yuki is literally kanames sister so the fact that one of yukis kids looks like kaname dose not prove that it’s kanames child.

And Zero died saving a random child not faling to level E

@@pasteladream i think its stated in vampire knight memories

@@pasteladream unfortunately that kid was conceived in the original manga before kaname sacrificed himself. didn't show much, just them kissing in bed, but still 🤮 zero deserved so much better lol

This! I only pushed myself to complete the manga because I needed to know if Zero found happiness. I still remember the heart-rending/heartaches I got all throughout because they just kept dumping more and MORE on him, and not giving any rest... Dude never caught a break and even if he got a fairly happy end, it still felt unsatisfying for the reasons you stated-he didn't get time to fully heal or *process* anything

​@@springdemon.w.I 100% agree with everything you said!! Even thought the author had written zero' ending as a quiet and happy one with time he spent with Yuki as a couple; we never saw that!!! The author rushed/forced the ending and all we saw was zero suffering 😭 dude deserved a wholebstory just about him man

​​​​​​​@@schae1298 He deserves his own manga-anime. I don't know what's running on the author's mind for illustrating such a perfectly beautiful slash well written character only to torture him nonstop in the entire story and make him constantly loss against the worst fictional character ever. To be honest, I only watched and read Vampire Knight for Zero alone. I almost dropped it but I stayed and endured all the pain coz I just wanted to know if Zero will receive his own happy ending. But it was still heartbreaking coz we all know he deserves better. For me, he carried the entire show. Well, he is the Vampire Knight, so, what else can I say?

@@kategarcia369 exactly! even though the author wants to argue that the three main characters were a vampire knight of their own, zero fits the role way more. The story should've been more about him smh, idk what Hino-sensei was thinking during that time.

@@springdemon.w. I was about to drop that manga when I was in highschool but I didn't because of Zero and I also want to know if he gain happiness in the end. I was dissatisfied because it feels like no matter what he does, he will just be more like a substitute for Yuuki when Kaname "died" at the end. Zero never healed up until the end. They literally push the role of a "Knight" to Zero no matter what happens.

Same, he was always silently looking over yuki letting her being herself and do whatever she wants unlike Kaname was constantly manipulating her telling her what to do and what she should be etc

Im a bit glad ive been a team zero all along lol

Yesh, team Zero!!

I was so obsessed with zero when I was a kid and was so dissapointed when the anime went towards kaname tht I tried to forget ever watching the show lol

@@moocow4megrace And then he gets Kaname's sloppy seconds?

Yeah because a lot of them are either, kaname x zero or zero x oc/reader. Because even fanfic writers mostly can't stand yuki 😂😂😂

I mean, that's true for a lot of series. Yeah, a lot of young and novice writers create fanfiction, but you also have plenty of people whose skills (in both writing _and_ plotting) is on par with, if not better than, many published writers.

The fanfics are aways better than the real things.

Absolutely. There's this fic series that will always be dear to my heart, it starts off as KanamexZeroxYuki throuple, then Yuki gets killed in part 2 and it's just Zero and Kaname trying to avenge her in 2 and 3. It rewrites Kaname as not related to Yuki and not an old fart, and Yuki as human, which fixes a surprising amount of issues, and Kaname is just so well written (still controlling af, but it's a character flaw for him to work on, not to ignore and romanticize) This fic series singlehandedly gaslit me into thinking Kaname was an amazingly written tragic mastermind with a f ton of trauma and not... what he's in canon... which I'm now aware of thanks to this vid refreshing the plot for me lmao

​@@SquishyMain Uhh... Wouldn't say always?

Same. I'd cringe at the thought of a French dub. I can't even imagine how it would be.

@@FayMew I watched it in french when I was 11, it wasn't bad

@@FayMew It was traumatic, that’s what it was 🤡

Same, i am Dutch and i watched it in Japanese with English subs because thats normal over here. Dutch dub dont even exist LOL.

@@arbitrary_raspberryeyyyy nog een Nederlands persoon (echt serieus ik kan nooit mensen vinden die anime leuk vinden hier)

considering vampire life span he basically impregnated literal child (yukis parents at least couple centuries old by the time they have a child). like god damn he did die and leave mostly untrained teen mom as ruler, but if he planned to live its text book manipulator/groomer tactic of tying woman to himself.

The manga got cancelled and so she had to wrap everything up. She was also still really learning as a mangaka.

When Kaname became a child, he also locked his memories away. So for his early childhood, he thought he was the actual child of Juri and Haruka. Eventually his memories slowly came back to him.

Ohhh yeah. I heard that show and it's vn is infamous for having some toxic and unlikable characters. I read some spoilers on TVtropes and yeah. Pretty f-ed up stuff.

@@Pooky1991 Yes, the games are completely f-ed up. Yet I don't really have a problem with it, since it is it's whole shtick. Not for everyone but if you don't mind some toxic shit thrown at you in Otome then the games are actually pretty fun, while the anime is.... well... Boring.

@@antithesentv305 I could never play that, Yui is such a wet blanket doormat while I'm a hot-blooded mess who'd want to punch all the boys in the face and be mad I can't make Yui do that. When I played Amnesia Memories that is by the same company, I hated Touma's Yandere route so much because I couldn't punch him for being an idiot like you can with Kent in his route and I think you can also punch Shinn in his route. Ikki was the only boyo I didn't wanna smack. Touma's route was the only one I had to use a guide to get the true ending of. The random sensual naked face touching in the shower scene was weird. Though I did like the bad end of being yeeted down a well in Touma's route, that was hilarious. Also irks me is once the Touma route Iffy's memories are restored she's like the most aggressive and forward version of the protagonist we see which makes being way more submissive than the other routes make no sense. Like she had confessed to him "I love you" before the start of the route which is when we assume direct control and he brushed it off as "Obviously, she just loves me as a friend." Then he gets jealous and yandere over her asking her co-worker for dating advise because the guy she likes, Touma, is a moron. Like the story should have been solved the instant we got her diary but no it has drag on longer so you can get into a bad end loop to punish you of you didn't play submissively which included the well ending and mentally breaking the protagonist then playing pretty princess dress up with her catatonic body aka the doll ending.

@@clarehidalgo Fun part is, that Touma is my favourite from Amnesia Memories exactly for the reason that he's such a creep. xD Yui in the Diabolik Lovers Games is such a bad main Character, that's a part I really do not like about the games because Yui frustrates you a lot.

Flashbacks, omg

you know i remember reading as kid one of her work but than few years later as i remember this story i am like what the f... did i read because its about a 7 year old with a 15 year old WHY

ohhh the art, the art was so beautiful. i barely remember the story and never finished the series but i loved the style of the manga so much i bought the official art book

Was it Meru Puri?? Because I also remember starting Vampire Knight for the art, and drooling at all the gorgeousness, and now that you mention something about a kid, it's coming back to me, and MP probably was my getaway drug to VK 🤭 ! I don't know what it says about me that I have no regrets 😅... As a teen, those were very exciting stories to read, and I still have fond memories of them (': ! But I also reallllly enjoyed Loveless, and it was all kinds of messed up so... I guess I just have no reading morals 😅

@@Monichanz I hate that Ik exactly which story you’re talking about. And how they end up together in the end when she’s like in her 20s and he’s freshly like 15 or 18.

The manga got cancelled and she had to wrap everything up really fast.

Yuuki doesn't even look like that white-haired girl. Kaname loved Yuuki and his love for her has nothing to do with that woman. Kaname erased memory, but remembered everything when he became a teenager. But he was never satisfied with this life because he blamed himself for the death of the baby.

Yes that correct Rido kidnapped Yuki's real brother, who was also named Kaname, when he was a baby. And sacrificed him to resurrect Kaname the ancestor. Unpopular opinion but I always felt Kaname was a victim in all this. Because if Rido had never kidnapped him, the events in the story would have never taken place.

Thank you for explaining it so well! I feel like VK gets so much shade. I’m not saying it’s perfect and to dismiss many of its flaws but it has it’s good points if you’re willing to overlook some of the logic and poor writing/character design.

@kpettaway18 Haruka and Juuri's son Kaname was definitely a victim in all this - he was an innocent baby who died for no good reason. Kaname the ancestor, on the other hand, not so much, and even if he was a victim, he's a good example of how you can be a victim but still be a bad person. He had good intentions, i.e. to protect Yuuki, that led him to hurting almost everyone around him, including Yuuki herself.

@Molly yeah my bad, I don't know why I thought she resembled the female progenitor. Likely it was just Kaname feeling a strong urge to protect Yuuki and not wanting to lose her to self-sacrifice the way he lost the female progenitor.

Fr, the night class characters were so interesting!! I wish we got more of them

Yes!! They are the ones I am watching the show for

yeah, but, get this. She was also raised together with Zero. No matter how you spin it, every romance she has has incestuous elements at least in spirit, if not in blood. That's why I dislike both relationships lmao

@@angelic252 poor Yuki cannot win.

Yes both relationships are toxic. People are so hard on yuki when she is kinda the victim. I mean even zero said to kill him if she wanted to leave him.

Kaname is 10,000 years old And Yuki’s parents were 3,000 years old All pure blood’s live very different lifespans because they can choose when to die But Yuki and Kaname are not really that far separated from each other

@@angelic252 Zero came to live with Yuki when he was 11. Zero almost immediately started to develop feeling for Yuki because she was nice and trying to help him through his trauma. Also Zero’s trauma come from losing his actual family so he was always super sensitive about replacing them. Hint why he alway denied Cross a fatherly connection. So Zero never thought of Yuki as a sister or Cross as his family. If your logic was to be upheld that would mean childhood friends, kids from group homes or early childhood boarding schools could never grow up and form a connection.

I’m pretty sure the parents were so chill with it cuase Rido sacrificed their first born body to awaken Kaname. So they were like “lol, convenient child”

@@leeminhyung167 they still mourned their original baby (who was named Kaname), they just kinda accepted what had happened, bc they (well at least Haruka, anyway) realised The Progenitor was revived using their Kaname so they raised him as if he were still their child

When Kaname became a child, he also locked his memories away. So for his early childhood, he thought he was the actual child of Juri and Haruka. Eventually his memories slowly came back to him.

He was also looking for a meaningful way to die. I see his actions as him self destructing.

@@kellharris2491 I agree with that as well

I also recommend Captive Hearts

Thats cool and cringe at the same time lol 😂

@@semekiizuio I'm a master of duality 🤣

The art slaps but Zero did not deserve to be manipulated and played with. I can see why it’s cringey but the character as a whole was the best part of the main 3

@@Poison12012 yeah they did Zero dirty, that was my main motivation to get his neck tattoo. Justice for my boi.

@@Poison12012 dude cringe is a running gag joke among the anime/manga weeb community. Its also used to describe a weird phase in peoples younger days. Dont take it seriously lol

Yeah. I mean he wanted to be dead long ago and they brought him back. He basically just latches on to yuki. He is toxic. But it makes total sense why he is the way he is. Still don't like him.

I would have liked it better if he viewed her more sister than a potential partner. I’d feel some of these things he did would be more enduring if he viewed her as an actual little sister. I mean still wouldn’t make his action right, but be a little less gross.

@@kayleejazz1669 Considering that sister marriages where common for vampires I think that's part of why he felt entitled to control yuki. I mean he was her fiance/head of the household. This is the real danger of incest because the control is multifacited. The person isn't just a spouse they are also the blood family. There is no escape for the victim in this way....While I dislike him as a person I did think that as a character he made for great drama.

Watch human kaname look at his kid and be all like "oh you remind me of Yuki 😍"

I think you're remembering that wrong. He bit his own vampire classmate Ruka instead of Yukj because he knew it would turn her. He was super shitty to Ruka too but she basically just says yeah use me don't feed on that child.

@@chasittyrobinson8643 yeah that is what I meant. I still think she deserved better,

Yes light the most extra man in anime history

What?

​@@FriendlyGhost-rf7tq the white horse Lily I guess?? I don't know if that horse was in the manga much but did appear in the anime. Yeah.

​@Friendly Ghost I heard that his horse has a thing for Zero.

That horse was a hater to everyone but Zero. The first Zero fan girl.

@@window_pane2x2 ah i know that i thot ther was some thing more

Same in Poland. We had few shows dubbed in Polish that were shown on Jetix (Part of Naruto, Digimon, Pokemon), but most of the anime that we watched was in Japanese with Polish or English subs.

@@kx2174 huh i see... so the kids are basically immortal humans? or do they still have vampire traits 😅

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It is kinda funny how Zero who would say all the time how he hated vampires and wanted them all dead, but in the end was able to love one and learned how some were not that bad accepting they better. But it was Kaname in the end who truly wanted all vampires dead, because he was tired of all their shit. He went from trying to help vampires change their attitudes to just kill them. If Kaname had his way to killing all pure bloods with time the vampire genes would dilute in to humans and they would go extinct with time, because nobles do not live forever like pure bloods.

Kaname vs Sara was a bit sad because everyone wanted a nice fight. But after sometime I think it was never meant to be a great fight because Kaname was really old and could beat to death every modern pure blood. He was not being hold back by Rido anymore. but still would be nice se him get chalenged by someone. About Kaname again, it is kida a joke see he survived everyone by the end. I have not finshed Memories but if he for some reason become vampire again he would be alone in a world where everyone dies. So he may in the end go sleep forever like he tried in first place or he die as a human and it maybe really be his final death.

Agreed, Kaname is such an interesting character the more you understand his past the more you understand his current actions. He easily my favorite character and how contradictory of a character which he acknowledges himself. He’s a sad character and his life is so complex that most people don’t understand and so long that even he doesn’t know who he is anymore. Throughout the story he his trying to deal with his own insanity and warped emotions that he recognized and tries his best not to act upon them. His duality and sadness is the thing that makes him such an interesting character. The more I understand his past the more his actions in the current story make since. He wants a world where human can live in safety and no more innocent lives will be taken. He knows that can’t happen with the pure blood vampire powers still going. But a part of him still wants to live but he doesn’t know how to. As yuki says he can only live by sacrificing himself for someone else. Which makes since because his whole life was taken from him. He doesn’t remember his human life or his parents. He lived so long he’s emotionless so it’s easier for him to live for someone else since he has no being of himself to live for. It so sad and he tries his best but obviously fails a lot of the time. But yuki was the only person who he could love and to start understanding what life is again. I would love to hear what else you think of his character!

@@lunagrace2872 Absolutely, I completely share your point of view. It is undeniable that Kaname is going through an existential crisis that constitutes the very essence of his story. His rejection of his vampire state and his quest for "his reason to live," symbolized by Yuki, as well as his unwavering commitment to protect her at all costs, are essential pillars of his character. Kaname's condition as a Pureblood vampire reflects an existence marked by deep suffering and unfathomable loneliness, which is also representative of all Pureblood vampires showed in the series. Some of them, like Rido and Sara, succumb to madness and power in an attempt to find meaning in their existence, while others sink into depression due to their long lives and desire for death. Kaname and the Kuran couple, Juri and Haruka, share the conviction that true happiness lies in a carefree existence as a human, far removed from their Pureblood vampire status. This perspective contrasts with characters like Sara, the Senate, Rido, and Shizuka, who reveal the darker aspects of the Pureblood vampire life. Despite his benevolent actions towards Yuki, Kaname carries an overwhelming burden, remaining a deeply broken character in the complex universe of Vampire Knight. His life is an uninterrupted succession of tragedies and sacrifices, where he tirelessly devotes his energy to protecting Yuki, the person he cherishes above all else. This existence can be described as a relentless struggle to achieve the ultimate goal: ensuring Yuki's safety, regardless of the cost, even if it involves trampling his own morality, manipulating, lying, and killing. Because deep down, he is not a bad person but rather someone who is broken, attempting to preserve the little happiness he still has. The plot of Vampire Knight revolves around Kaname's complex plan to protect Yuki and eliminate threats such as Rido and the Pureblood Senate. At the heart of this strategy lies Zero, the "vampire knight," a vampire hunter bearing the curse of the twins. Everything he does is guided by the creation of the ultimate weapon to eliminate Rido, and later, the other Purebloods. The irony here is that it's not power or hatred that drives him; instead, it's love. This story can be compared to a Greek tragedy, where fate seems to be relentless towards Kaname. The fundamental plot of Vampire Knight can be summarized as Kaname's desperate quest to preserve his happiness, embodied by Yuki. Kaname's psyche is shaped by an inner duality: on one side, a desire to die stemming from the atrocities he endured as a vampire and the horrors he commits, and on the other, an immeasurable passion for Yuki. This duality guides his actions and drives him to create a safe future for her by eliminating potential threats. The relationship between Kaname and Yuki is tragic too because, despite their deep love, insurmountable obstacles stand between them. Kaname has always sought to protect her at all costs, but this excessive protection has created a toxic dynamic in their relationship, keeping them in unequal roles. Yuki, on her part, has experienced complex feelings towards Kaname, mixing love, a desire to reunite with Zero, and guilt. When Kaname becomes aware of the growing distance between them, he decides to become the antagonist to ensure Yuki's safe future as a human. This painful decision is his way of protecting her, even though he can never truly make Yuki happy as a Pureblood vampire. The disparity in their experiences and sufferings has always been an insurmountable obstacle to their mutual salvation. Kaname has never managed to fully open up to Yuki, fearing to tarnish her innocence by revealing the dark reality of his vampire condition. Kaname did not wish to taint Yuki's happiness with his suffering, also aiming to preserve Yuki from the sad life that is the fate of the Purebloods. The current Yuki in Vampire Knight Memories, having embraced the burden of a Pureblood's life, might have been able to save him. She walked in Kaname's footsteps and understood the sacrifices he made. This is why Yuki eternally feels guilt towards Kaname, believing that she couldn't save him. This is also why, in the end, Yuki offers him the same moment of happiness she experienced thanks to him: humanity, the carefree life of a mortal, free from blood and solitude. Yuki deeply loves Kaname and aspires to save him in return. She understands his sacrifices and does not hold them against him. This duality of affection is at the heart of the tragedy because despite their sincere love, they prove to be incompatible for each other's well-being. This final phase of their story marks the maturity of their relationship, with Yuki seeking to offer Kaname the redemption he deserves. Ultimately, Vampire Knight explores the complexities of human relationships even in a supernatural world, and Kaname Kuran remains an iconic and unforgettable figure in this universe. And personally, he has touched me deeply because even though he had to commit terrible acts like playing with Zero's entire destiny to serve his plans, one cannot help but be moved by such a miserable character. Many characters in the world of Vampire Knight are touching, and I appreciate them, such as Shizuka, Sara, Aido, Ruka, Zero, Takuma, and many others. However, it is Kaname who, in my opinion, elicits the most sympathy in this story. His profound suffering, sacrifices, and the complexity of his emotions make him an exceptionally poignant character. It has been a pleasure to share my thoughts and engage in this discussion 😊. It's heartwarming to connect with fellow fans of Kaname, as he is often underrated and misunderstood. I'm sorry for the wall of text ! 😂😂😂😂😂😂 When I like something, I tend to elaborate on the subject. 😄😅