I wish I could love this comment. Spot on analysis!

LOL true

Yes! Excellent analysis

My dad is a five and does this big time

Yep. I absolutely do this.

1w9?

I’m a 1 and I agree with this. I think it is healthy to direct our standards to ourselves if we feel inclined instead of putting them on others. Otherwise this can harm others - especially children. As the years have passed I have tried to lower the standards for myself as well. We will always see a higher ideal and to just accept things is a better route. But I agree about the dishwasher. We all have our different things that we want to perfect. With the dishwasher - I just wash and dry and put away on the spot and don’t ask for help. For me it is just easier. Maybe I could let this go too. We are all growing. Awareness is the key. 😊

Wonderful!

Oh, my life regrets!! 😂😅

As a type 5 I completely agree. Withdrawal is when I'm overwhelmed and feel threatened, especially when I assume that there is no other way to escape the claustrophobia of others' expectations, boundary violations, and generally their energy. If you really wanted to manipulate someone, withdrawal would be a terrible way to get others to do what you want, because it's usually perceived as negative and puts others in an untrusting state. To manipulate others effectively would require some level of trust or some kind of disarming effect, so a type 5 would be more likely to observe others' emotional weaknesses, and then put on some act and say the right scripts and do actions strategically to get the other person to feel seen in the way they want to be seen. Then when the 5 has what they want they would just stop giving that person attention or say some vague things and find a reason to break off the interactions/relationship and never resume it. And of course, this would be a very unhealthy and mercenary type 5 using their strength of observation for evil instead of good and being in a scarcity mindset, operating from their primary sin of avarice/stinginess. Instead of seeing life as full of resources and opportunities they would see life as lacking in resources and opportunities -- it's like, "other people are competing with me for resources, I need those things to survive and feel safe, but since I can't get them myself because I don't yet have the skill, I need to get other people to give me some of their resources; BUT I can't cooperate or ask for help in an honest way, because that would be humiliating to admit a lack of incompetence." A healthy 5 wouldn't resort to such underhanded tactics because they'd be more competent at getting what they need through cooperation or independence.

Thanks for sharing!!

Glad to help.

Spot on 👍 especially type 6. Thanks for sharing

Wow, that's quite a journey you've been on. Good on you for recognizing these traits in yourself!

I would say 5's in general are not manipulators.

Also a 5 and I agree. I absolutely hate being manipulated and it actually tends to trigger me into blowing up at the person for trying to do so. I can sniff out manipulation pretty quickly once something seems off.

As a 5, I personally see very little point to manipulation unless I'm in a real sticky situation and it must be done for self preservation purposes. I'll find a way to get what I need without them and know God provides. It takes way too much energy to manipulate and put on a fake face. I have no idea how people do it, they must be constantly exhausted. Besides, why would anyone waste time being around people they have to manipulate? I'd rather be alone than surrounded by fake "friends".

😂 - I see you're working on your integration to 7! Kudos

I absolutely can see these in the fives in my life …

Thanks for shedding light on this, it's always cool to learn about different personality traits and behaviors.

Thanks for sharing this insight.

Yes

Type 4’s can be drama queens, it depends on whether they are self-preservation, social, or sexual subtypes. The social and sexual subtypes are very drama queen-like, whereas the SP likes to hide their emotions

Thanks

Yes I would say as a 4 and an adult, I relate more to what you said and, because we can relate on such deep levels in general to other’s emotions, we can wield other’s emotions on a fairly surreptitious level. 😬Not great, but I know when I was in an abusive marriage where I was gaslit all the time and manipulated I quickly learned how to manipulate on a pretty deep level almost without being noticed😓. Praise God though that He has broken those chains!!! I am a healthy 4 now that is not without sin but no longer feel the need to manipulate people and have become more of the authentic self I have yearned to be😌

Thanks for sharing this.

Great Idea

I still not understand abt how 9 did it , as I didn't see withdrawal from someone / something we don't like can be concluded as manipulation

@@orangejackcaroline1808 by ghosting people, as a 9 I liked to be chased and people ask me what’s is wrong instead of confrontation. I used that technique to get my needs met. I didn’t know it is manipulation until I grew up in my 35~lol.also ignoring problems until I bottle up and upset people around me and withdrawing .

@@orangejackcaroline1808 Yeah, the type 9 one was a little confusing. I'm 9w1, and I do tend to withdraw, but it's because I want to avoid drama and tension. I'm more guilty of the type 7 - becoming sad if things aren't going my way. But it's tough - you also don't want 9s to hide the way they feel, either.

@@aclaar877 yeah, so how it does manipulate people?

@@orangejackcaroline1808 It really doesn't manipulate - it's more of a survival mechanism. 9s tend to silence themselves and absorb the energy from others before they manipulate others.

Thanks

i am sx5 iLi and i do that in case to achieve my goals. but very temporarily.

Thanks for the clarification.

Bin-go!