Something I want to point out that I missed is that the chaulk board says the fall of Shady Sands happened in 2277, which is before the events of Fallout New Vegas in 2281. It's unclear if this is when it was blown up or if this is when it started to decline and then was blown up later after Fallout New Vegas. Either way, this just adds more confusion to the whole thing.

the house always win: Completed

It's such a shame that Odo (René Auberjonois) won't be reprising his role as the voice of Mr. House. RIP Mr. Auberjonois.

To be fair Mr. House predicting the end of the world in 2065 isn’t incompatible with him knowing Vault Tech would start the war after a meeting. It could even explain why he was a day off. Edit. Thanks for the likes 👍🏻

Mr House would 100% play them for fools and double cross them. They all prob tried to double cross each other anyway

Watch the scene again: House doesn't buy into the plan that they have, you can tell he's just taking in the information they're giving him. They purposely have him as the most skeptical person there.

Mr House says it exactly that he made his prediction in 2065. We don't know exactly when that Meeting with Vault Tec was but it could be anywhere between 2065 - 2077. It would still make his statement true. He made calculations and had his own plan *then* Vault Tec invited him to the meeting. He would't just tell them then and there that he had his own plans, he'd keep it a secret.

The Mr House Ending states that he would "keep New Vegas stable, if not free, for generations." 15 years isn't "generations."

everyone keeps fucking forgetting that house NEVER wanted the NCR to fall, as he saw them as a customer and a source of income. He also stated that, should you go for the house ending, that he expects there to be a dip in revenue for about 2ish years as the situation in the NCR is stabilized a bit, as at that point he would have full control over hoover dam which he intended to fully repair and bring it back to full power output, which he can then sell to both the NCR and the nevada area. In the end Houses ultimate plan was .SPACE. COLONIZATION, where he state's and I quote "With all that money porin in? Give me 20 years, and I will reignite the high technology sector, 50 years and I will have people in orbit. 100 years, and my colony ships will be heading for the stars, to search for planets unpolluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation", this is Houses ultimate plan. So having the NCR jsut... get taken behind the barn and have its head blown open and having New Vegas look like shit is just.... BLARG!

It would be funny if they get to New Vegas and everyone think Mr. House won only for it to reveal it's Yes Man behind the screen following instructions from Courier who has long since left after getting bored.

Watch it be yes man

There is also the possibility of one of the Lonesome road endings being canon. The additional nukes would have cutoff NCR access to Vegas and the tourism flow House expected.

3:44 he said by 2065 he deemed it a mathematical certainty that the bombs would drop, by the point of the movie it was 2077. He could have just joined up because this was the certainty he evaluated, but the only thing that was missing was him being a day short.

NCR is probably reorganized up north, there are more major cities up north than the south with the sign saying Shady Sands(first capital of the NCR). Meaning that the Hub, Vault City, New Reno ,or Arroyo might be the new capital. I doubt NCR is completely gone entirely, they probably will return in a Season 3 or for Fallout 5.

Hank may actually be ignorant of House downfall caused by some guy with a bullet in his head. So Courier may be canonic ruler of Vegas

Though House was at those meetings, its clear he wanted no part in it but couldnt do anything to stop it. All he could do was plan to save what he could. Him being in on those meetings is what kicked off him investing in saving what he could.

I think "complete fall' of the NCR is overstated too. Shady Sands was 35,000 peeps, so a HUGE amount of their population is still around, just reeling. Those who survived Shady Sands are of course going to teach about their immediate woes the most

MR house was always the rational one. He was the only one making effort to save vegas from nukes

The reaction to the chalk board has to be the most overblown reaction I’ve ever seen, there’s an arrow between “the fall” and bomb diagram, they’re painfully cleary two different events or at the very least the start and end of a years long situation leading to the eventual blast. Also people are quite literally making up new vegas is destroyed too, im in actual disbelief how many are saying that it is quite clearly not in the final shot, the fanbase can be so dumb and extreme at times, they have to make up justications instead of just admitting they don’t like something

Just a theory. Maybe the NCR in the North- East Mojave were kept in the dark about how badly Shady Sands was actually failing leading up to the Battle for Hoover Dam to save morale, perhaps with the exception of high ranking officials like Oliver and Moore. The NCR was notorious for spreading itself thin and this would have been a perfect time for an opposing faction to attack it's capital with a vast percentage of it's forces being across the Mojave compromising defences. After the NCR lost to Mr House, they returned to Shady Sands to find it wiped out by Hank who saw the city's upheaval as an opportunity to eliminate what he saw as a threat to Vault-tec's monopoly on civilization. Also, Elder McNamara already knew of the NCR's incompetence in the region thanks to Courier 6 and could have gotten word to the other chapters which would explain the Brotherhood's superior presence in the area. Hopefully, the showrunners will put some kind of explanation, perhaps like this, together in the next season. And what was the BOS doing at Shady Sands when it got nuked? In the show, a young Maximus is saved by a Brotherhood knight. Could the Brotherhood have possibly indirectly assisted in the fall of Shady Sands leading up to it's destruction. The NCR had a lot of enemies like the Great Khans and the BOS would have had no problem enlisting a bunch of similar tribes to do their dirty work for them (potentially escaping retribution if such an attack failed) while assisting with weapons and resources behind the scenes.The BOS weren't exactly on good terms with the NCR, had a history with them; the latest exchange being at Helios One in 2276; one year before the supposed fall of Shady Sands. Again, just theories.

It was hinted on in the games that Vault-Tech started the War. It was not just for the show, that's a fallacy. You can find nukes with Vault-Tech logos in the games.

The fall of shady sands was famine and drought they couldn’t recover from. 2277 was the start of the famine. So the fall. They didn’t add a date under the mushroom cloud is all. Most likely 2283-2284 my guess. 2-3 years after NV.

The strip might also be destroyed due to the tunnelers from the divide

The House ending SHOULD be the canon ending. Why kill off a great character?

The presence of the BoS at Shady Shand could be explain by the Eastern Brotherooh sending reinforcement to the West. In the first episode, the order to pursue the target come from the chapter in the Commonwealth. This indicated that the BoS win in Fallout 4 (or the Minutemen but it seem less likely). After this victory, Maxson would surely send help to the Western BoS, which was in a dire situation. That would explain why Western BoS would recruit wastelanders like we saw in the show: they adopted some practise of the East. These BoS reinforcements are probably an other explanation for the NCR fall. It would be much harder for the NCR to fight a Brotherhood which can reconstitute it's rank by recruiting Wastelander. Then with Shady Sand destroyed, the NCR probably disintegrated, which each community going independent instead of supporting each other.

Not really a retcon, if House had predicted the nukes dropping then why wouldn't he at least entertain the idea of investing in vault-tec. He may have eventually diverged in method but there really is no reason for him not to be at the table. There is a small thought that the "Fall of Shady Sands" and the "Destruction of Shady Sands" were 2 separate events. That Shady sands lost control in 2771 and was ultimately destroyed at some later date but yeah timeline wise its got people in a tizzy.

I like the idea, but I don't know, as you can see in the credits sequences destroyed NCR vertibirds and Securitrons, so there was a conflict inside the Strip, So New Vegas isn't intact, I think the Yes Man ending would aslo fit with this But you can also argue the other endings could also had happend, If the NCR won a conflic between the families and the NCR could had happend after the destruction of the capital, and if the Legion won, after Ceasar's dead Lanius would overextend his forces to keep th Mojave and he would start worring about losing the East (This is foreshadowed in various dialogues in the game, especially with Lanius during the last battle), so he would return east and the NCR and the Families would figth to retake control I think the would keep the ending ambiguous

No it isn't a retcon because he can still predict years and years before they told him and still act like he is on board so as to not arouse suspicion. And the meeting definitely isn't in 2065 or earlier because the bombs are dropped in 2077 and the Ghoul's daughter still looks near the same age which is easy to tell with children. House isn't just greedy, he did the right thing and could have protected the Mojave if his courier had delivered the chip to him sooner. Also the brotherhood could have been at Shady Sands because they had a place at lost hills. The legion could have still kept the buildings up and such but I do believe House is the winner. Also I feel Hank is just a bit deluded about House being a friend since everything points to him betraying the mission of vault tec to kill the surface dwellers and make everything controlled by vaults and a new society. House probably did use the meetings to his benefit like the vault right in vegas that is focused on gambling then hundreds of years later house gambles them to rejoin society.

Todd, Todd never changes.

My personal theory: Yes Man is the canon path, and Yes Man was always a Trojan horse developed by Enclave and left inside Vault 21 on purpose…as they know House was doing his own thing and thus a potential uncontrollable variable in the future. Basically, Vault Tec deliberately made the most lavish vault right underneath House’s nose that they knew House couldn’t resist opening. Little did he know that inside lay the code for a program that could override his control. Knowing he’d take the bait, seal the vault, and that the offer to control the strip would be too good to refuse for those on the surface. We also know in the game that the citizens of Vault 21 felt betrayed by House, and could have themselves been enablers of this path. Whomever ‘controlled’ Yes Man would be temporary. Eventually his program goes AWOL and destroys Vegas until someone senior at Vault Tec comes in (which is where Hank comes into the picture). This also explains potentially why there’s so many NCR related vehicles destroyed. Perhaps when going AWOL they went after NCR too and they spent a lot of resources pacifying the robot army. He probably doesn’t know this going there and is just looking for Mr House, but it’ll be revealed that not only did Vault Tec kill Mr House technically, but also started the war. In a way it’s a double twist: a twist in the show AND a twist that you the player were manipulated in FNV

The board states that fall of shady sands started in 2277 but maximus says it was nuked 15 years before the show, so a year after new vegas.

We see New Vegas in ruins, though. So it might be that no matter what ending there was, it wasn't sustainable. By 2296, everything had fallen into shit, again. But I would fall to my knees in awe and terror if Joshua Graham is revealed.

I think it's very clear they left it vague and open because of the gap between seasons. A lot of new work, new talent coming in, etc, will shape season 2 in a completely different way. Them finalizing plans for New Vegas before S2 is even in the works would be silly.

I always figured Mr. House’s ending would be canon. Siding with him is the best scenario in New Vegas

Him being at the table does not mean he didn't calculated that the end of the world was happening, he just made sure he was at the table to control how it happened

House ending is the most canon friendly. Its also clearly the ending the devs wanted us to choose.

The loss of the capital would not cause the destruction of the Republic any more than the burning of Washington caused the downfall of the USA in the war of 1812.

Honestly, it to me seems like it could end any way: Courier wins, Vegas collapses due to inefficient rule, or is overtaken by NCR eventually House wins, Vegas still seized by NCR eventually from overwhelming numbers (hence NCR Vertibird). NCR wins, but due to corruption, and perhaps external events, including Fall of Shady Sands, Vegas is abandoned/overrun over time. Legion Wins, after 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam, fighting takes place in New Vegas, now occupied by NCR. New Vegas is virtually destroyed, but the Legion collapses due to death of Caesar, infighting, and disloyal tribes. Just a few headthoughts. Nothing is 100% clear by what we see, only that New Vegas isn't a crater.

I really hope the show won't just make House the villain of the second season. They'll probably just turn him into another Big Bad Corpo Man and have him be the typical capitalism villain of the week instead of the nuanced and complex character he was in the game. I hope I'm wrong, but that's where I see the show going.

just because house was going along with the negotiations doesnt mean he didnt know the war was coming. he simply keeps his cards close to his chest.

my theory is house cooperated with vault tec to not be undermined by them in the show, so I'm thinking hank will be surprised he's not really his ally in S2, as for why the brotherhood went to shady sands aftermath, I'm guessing Maximus stayed in the fridge for quite a while for him to be able to walk out so I'm guessing the BoS moved in to either help maybe or more likely to grab the territory now that the NCR was extremely weak

By the way tge conversation went it doesn't seem like he participated in the bombs dropping plus his prediction was years prior to that so he was still right

I don't understand why people are assuming that New Vegas was destroyed, it's daytime, its lights obviously wouldn't be on. Another thing is that this is just a mocap of the city, it is not necessary to show Camp McCarran, or some details of the map from the game. We know it's Vegas because of Lucky 38.

I legit hope the NCR isnt actually completly gone, just weekened after the destruxtion of Shady Sandy.

My theory since we see the strip in the credits which looks in tatters is that I personally think Legate Lanius's ending could be Cannon. But House is obvs alive and won cause why else would Henry travel there? But all I hope is the Legion is shown in Season 2

Graham Wagner, one of the showrunners was quoted saying the writers wanted to avoid making any of the game endings cannon. As it would invalidate the experience of the gamers and what they perceived to be "their" favorite endings. So, just speculation here... but my guess is they will avoid making any of the endings cannon, while writing scenarios that would've conquered any of the winning faction(s) that eventually happened in New Vegas and the Mojave. So, for example, if House would have won... the Enclave (or someone else) eventually went in and took him out. Hence, the evidence of the destruction in the credits of Episode 8.

I think that he didn’t win *purely* based of the fact that Vegas isn’t lit up in that final shot

I, too, think The House Always Wins is the canonical ending to New Vegas they are running with. House ended up with all of the Strip and Freeside by the end of that, and it only stands to reason that he would have expanded his boundaries in the last fifteen years. The wall surrounding most of New Vegas, what looks to be much more than just Freeside and the Strip, is a very strong indication of this.

Doesn't necessarily retcon house predicting the war. He said he predicted it as early as 2065, he could've done that then been invited to the meeting later and had his prediction confirmed. Vegas still standing doesn't confirm the legion didn't win. Caesar wanted it to be his new rome, he didn't plan to raze it. They PROBABLY didn't, though. What does seem confirmed is that the Divide's nukes weren't used against the Long 15, as Hank doesn't seem to have any trouble getting to the Mojave.

The House always wins, I rest my case.

The only question i have is why during the end credits of episode 8, we see camera flying through the street of New Vegas where we can see destroyed securitrons, NCR vertibirts and the whole place looks like it was filled with Siera Madre gas.

The ending pictures of Vegas shown in the post ending of the show I think people are overthinking it’s just what New Vegas looked like after the bombs, they stopped most but general chaos would still ensue and he did miss one or two if I recall. The show has jumped back and forth consistently and I think this is one of those moments.

"Why was the BoS at Shady Sands aftermath?" Technically, a BoS T60 suit was there and that's all we know

The NCR could have fell for many reasons one could be because they couldn't stabilize the currency after all their gold reserves had been destroyed during the NCR and BOS war, so it was only a matter of time. Two with out a president and General they would have been easy pickings we know the NCR was so loosely speard and demoralized without any leadership the soldiers probably became raiders of sort self serving. Third NCR could hardly defend it's citizens from raiders so it wouldn't shock me to find out with the loss of the Mojave Raiders would smell blood in the water. Last one if you follow Cass's story you kill the head of Crimson cavern. Afterwards they pull out of NCR in house ending. Which means the NCR could not supply anyone or anything. All of these things could have helped lead to the fall of the NCR.

It's also possible that the independent ending is canon, and it might be cool to see the courier running New Vegas from the Lucky 38, although it might be a little strange to meet a character we all spent so much time being. It also might kind of make sense from a "fan service" perspective since we already saw Mr House. It also might be that no one controls it, and the independent ending is canon and New Vegas is only kept civil by the continued rule of the Yes Man robots, and Hank goes there to take control of them.

I think house winning is a possibility, but the courier winning could explain why the lights aren't going anymore. I don't know if we will see the courier as a character, but i would be suprised if they did not show his impact on the world in the next season.

Nah 3/4 game endings House dies…so it’s gotta be somebody

It is the best ending so im glad for that house is an awesome caracter

by process of elimination of NV's Ending with what the TV Show gave us: -NCR's Ending: If NCR merge victorious within the battle of Hoover Dam, the entire collapse of NCR wouldn't make much sense since if that's the case NCR should be more prosperous and no need to turn into raider-like being we see in the TV Show. In fact the NCR in the TV show just showed they're at worse state than in New Vegas, the only explaination we can get is NCR loss the Hoover Dam. -Legion Ending: It wouldn't make sense because if that's the case then the Legion will be the main antagonists of the Fallout TV show and we didn't see a single hint of Caesar's Legion's existence in the show. -Independent Ending: This one is the 2nd most likely ending they gonna choose, but it felt like a terrible decision because this in-turn will make Courier (our character) to be a developing character which goes against the intent of having a Player Character in NV on the first place, it's playing too much with fire and a bad decision by itself House's ending felt like the most made sense out of all the scenario that the Fallout TV series made

2065 almost probably happened before this meeting. It might even be his prediction that led Mr. House to being at that meeting.

This whole video is absolute COPE considering that New Vegas isn’t light up and the walls are wrecked…

idk i feel like NCR Ending is more canon, still this is a nice theory.

I believe the brotherhood being there at shady sands could be explained away with max being in the fridge for 1-2 days and only being saved (like Billy from fallout 4) when a knight search party finds him

I wouldnt say that ncr is the most peaceful and stable if you listen to the npcs they say that the line between legion and ncr is very thin traders prefer legion since they have more secured land

watch the credits after they show new vegas. to me is shows the strip is destroyed also where are the lights ?

Not necessarily. The NCR during New Vegas was presented as being in the process of over extending themselves. If they won I could see that continuing, leading to their collapse.

3:42 House says he ran the projections in 2065, the corporate meeting takes place likely in the early 2070's. He figured it out and was taking steps to protect Vegas long before he walked into that meeting room. Likely he only went to that meeting to get an inside handle on just how dire the situation was. Then he started working on the Platinum Chip project to upgrade his Securitrons, but was unable to get the chip in time to make the system upgrade before the war

A cameo doesn't mean that its a house ending.

SPOILERS Why would house allow the strip to be destroyed? Aren’t his securitrons very powerful with missiles and miniguns? Idk it doesn’t make sense.

so based

how they showed a destroyed Shady Sands was the weirdest part for me. The biggest city with the greatest infrastructure in the whole west-coast was nuked because someone's wife left him with a child, guy kidnaps a child and nukes a capital of NCR (with what exactly?), and also why is Shady Sands are shown as fully dead city? NCR is big and has around 700,000 citizens, alot of resources and money, infrastructure that is connecting NCRs cities, there must be buildings and life around the city or at least where is a new NCR capital? im so confused, Bethesda fucked up Fallout lore once again, first time being addition to Fallout's lore whole experiments and enclave hyperbolisation, maximizing on it's absurdity. Even tho this is "canon", as we can see in Fallout 3, why the hell would Vault-Tec nuke themselves, if this is literally kills all of their work and effort, destroys their business and future? they would make much more money, if peace talks were successful, because they would make people buy vaults positions "just in case", for safe future.

I just realized something with this video. If the enclave, and vaultech by extension had this limitless cold fusion energy, why didn't they use it to take over the wasteland? I mean you could maybe argue. They didn't know that there were vault tech employees still around, but I'm pretty sure in real life just about every encryption can be broken if given enough time and resources. The enclave would have both of those. Especially before the Oil rig was destroyed. Maybe there's an in-universe explanation but it seems like a plot hole to me.

In the show there is a chalk board it says shadysands was nuked in 2277. A few years before new vegas. Todd hates that New Vegas and the original fallout 1&2 is seen by a lot as a better games. He is using the show to give a middle finger to them.

This show is more along the lines of cringy fanfiction than real fallout.

Personal theory, both his predictions and the show occurred as stated. He may have decided that they were a chaotic lot that had little chance of succeeding but may provide useful intel and access to resources. They did a very poor job considering their power pre-war. House saw this as a sign of the coming end and accelerated his plans. The cabal talks and plays around with ideas until Vault tec makes contact with the early Enclave who really like the idea of wiping the slate clean. Seeing how poorly organized and ruthless the group is they decided to jumpstart the process with Valut tec. Taking the responsibility away from the cabal and giving him little reason to talk about it post war. Most of the reason that House was doing poorly in the game is he was missing one chip from pre-war. Seems a bit coincidental that this would be hard to get on zero hour unless the members either weren't notified or only some of them were. If he had the chip pre-Fallout Vegas would have been untouched by the missiles and probably a thriving city-state. His attitude doesn't fit either, being a lot more diplomatic about how he ran the city as opposed to the crazy/autocratic plans of the Enclave and Bit MT.

Mind, more than capitalism I believe that House cares more about being a figure from the past that can be remembered in the future. He states quite clearly that in a century with enough power he can send people to space and given more people would be able to escape the earth to look for other planets to colonize. He's a visionary, ruthless and cold as he may be, he cares. And he is Mister House, a man whose company skyrocketed and built some of the greatest inventions ever made in all manner of fields.

7:49 did you miss the fact the fity is abandoned and appears in ruins with one of the walls having a big hole?

It seems Season 2 is set up to explore what happened between The Ghoul and his Wife, now he has betrayed her, so we should see who actually triggers the Nuclear War. Vault-Tec saying they could drop the 1st Bomb does not mean they did.

They could spin it into mr house was lying to make himself not look evil for starting the war even if it was part of the initial lore.

Overall, I agree with the points, and I think you make a good argument, but there are a few things to note: While not explicit, the show seems extremely keen on establishing that Vault-Tec *didn't* actually drop the nukes. They definitely intended to, but intending to do it doesn't mean actually being the ones to have done it. The opening scene of the show itself goes against this notion, given that: 1) One of their highest ranking members's daughter was out and about when the nukes dropped, someone so high rank, they were negotiating deals with the most powerful people in the country, and according to the last episode had to still be in contact with Vault-Tec when the nukes dropped, on account of the Ghoul demanding to know where his wife and daughter are from a Vault-Tec employee, something that would only make sense if they ended up going to a Vault somewhere. 2) If we assume Mr. House never openly betrayed Vault-Tec's trust, it makes no sense he wouldn't have known when the bombs would drop if Vault-Tec was indeed the one dropping the bombs. Given his high influence, he could have most likely even asked for a day or two's delay for the sake of finishing the platinum chip on time... The Platinum chip that mind you completely flies against everything Vault-Tec wants, and would heavily imply he's only playing along with Vault-Tec/The Enclave's madness so they don't grow suspicious of him and discover his doomsday prepping. Come to think of it, the one way I could see Vault-Tec still being the ones to drop the nukes, would be if they had discovered House's plot, and acted at the last minute, so he couldn't throw a wrench in their plans by saving part of the surface like he did. It would also explain why the Enclave (who is implied to be tied to Vault-Tec like you said) would be butchering Vault Dwellers in Fallout 2. They could be targetting RobCo vaults specifically. Also, honestly, his presence at the meeting isn't really a retcon. What he said about predicting the end of the world, about doing so in 2065 means there was a 12 year gap between him starting his preparations and the actual end of the world. Meanwhile, based on the daughter's appearence, we can clearly see this meeting took place not long before the actual apocalypse, maybe two or three years at most if we suspend our disbelief a little bit given that obviously they couldn't have aged the child actress between shooting scenes. He's shown entirely non-plus'd by Vault-Tec's plan to blow up the world, which frankly would make perfect sense if we assume by this time he already knew that the world's days were numbered. At most he learned at that meeting that Vault-Tec is another group of bomb happy lunaitcs ready to pull the trigger. I especially appreciate that every time he's on screen and opens his mouth, it's just to question what Vault-Tec is going to do, and cast shade on their ideas. His overall motivations are intentionally not made clear, but his main goal in the scene is clearly to figure out where everyone stands and what to expect. (Also, this is neither here nor there, and while I kind of get why people over idolize the NCR, it's always strange to hear people sing their praises while in Fallout 2 they are somehow more corrupt than New Reno and Vault City, betray other factions' trusts in multiple of that game's endings to enact military coups, literally can become Enclave 2.0 if their Presidente for Life Tandi's iron rule isn't reinforced by the Chosen One helping her terrorize a bunch of refugees, said Presidente for Life in not so subtle ways is implied to have had her father and his right hand man assassinated - because let's be honest, the head of state and the minister of defense 'dying while looking for a vault to check up on an old friend' and the new president staying in office for multiple decades is an utterly insane thing to just casually establish totally happened exactly as she claims - only for then New Vegas to double down on them being a blatant parody of the worst parts of the US with open jingoism, 'accidental' genocides, shooting deserpate wastelanders for trying to use a previously freely available water purfier that the NCR 'acquired', intentional destabilization of communities so they can swoop in and be heroes, hiring the most hilariously unqualified people for important jobs because clearly their chain of command is a joke and most likely built entirely around nepotism, and more. Also the show now has their remnants openly have a borderline Dunwich death cult. I get that the NCR's propaganda is pretty good in New Vegas, but come on. Just because Kimball doesn't start stroking a white cat in his chair while detailing his secret evil plot in the final act, it doesn't mean they aren't just a more open minded version of the Enclave from Fallout 3 that also had all those lovely things to show and say via their Eyebots, radio and billboards. #MacLeanDidNothingWrong #UlyssesShouldHaveNukedFirst)

You miss the point with the Brotherhood and NCR. They are not really enemies, but they follow a different idea. The brotherhood are remaining military personnel while the ncr is more like a biiig militia. Especially, after shady sands was destroyed, the NCR is highly weakened. I would not wonder that in S2 they will meet more of regular NCR troops and no longer „militia“ like Moldaver has. There is also no reason why the NCR and Brotherhood wouldn’t work together. But if the brotherhood would get the feeling of „falling behind“, they would go into action against the NCR in a large scale. The Brotherhood in the Amazon series also doesn’t give the vibes of the game brotherhood

2:15 I don't think the threat was a loss of profits-- the threat was a looming debt crisis. Vault-Tec the organization was on shaky footing thanks to selling junk bonds (high interest rate, with little expectation to repay), spending profits on purchasing other companies, and going massively over-budget on some Vaults under construction circa 2077. So the risk wasn't becoming unprofitable, it's the exposure of the fact that they're actually severely underwater. The urgency to start a nuclear exchange was to at least sell more beds and issue more junk bonds to scale the company up another level (think of it as a 1000-Vault plan) on that new fear. Actually starting the end of the world probably isn't the intent, as that shuts the spigot off. No more laps of luxury, no more victory laps, no more cushy jobs or long vacations etc. The fear of the end of the world garnered them massive profits. The reality of the end of the world rendered them all quite fragile. So my view is that Vault-Tec was intimately involved in making nuclear threats and intended to acquire a nuclear bomb which they'd then detonate in or near California (perhaps with Vault 12 downwind) or D.C., with D.C. probably the preferred target. That'd probably be timed to obliterate most of the entire Congress, Senate, Supreme Court, and any oversight agencies while retaining the those in the know (the Enclave). A million or more civilians (many of them bureaucrats) would die. But the Vaults could be populated and sealed with the selected populations. In the confusion (the Vault Dwellers think a nuclear war actually occurred and will voluntarily stay locked up), Vault-Tec could get more of the biggest government contracts ever and have another decade (or more) of actual profits while they're using the first ~120 Vaults for new experiments and exporting the technology for a generation ship off of this rock. I don't think a US first strike on China makes sense as there was some chance that China might have capitulated and Vault-Tec needed to be sure that wasn't an option. As for what actually happened, I suspect that the USA's incursions into China were reaching a tipping point. Either China thought that the USA was nearly ready to launch first or China decided for other reasons to launch first (as cities of critical importance, including Shanghai, were being invaded). So China gets the messages out and coordinates a first strike on the USA. The Enclave, Vault-Tec, and others like Robert House were caught flat-footed as the first nuke arrived earlier than expected and rapidly compounded into multiple confirmed strikes, far beyond what Vault-Tec actually expected. (Cooper Howard was allowed to have Janey that morning. Barb would never have let her daughter be there if Vault-Tec expected TEOTWAWKI to happen that very morning. She (and they) were expecting the nuclear exchange to start very soon, perhaps that evening or the next day.

It could be House, being one of the CEOS at the meeting, for years kept tabs on the other CEOs and still predicated in advance they wanted to start a muclear war.

I’d totally love if they went this route, but I wonder if Bethesda would really let The New Vegas writers that work for Obsidian actually help with the project.

I'd say that meeting may have only confirmed Mr. House's predictions. Remember, we don't know when that meeting happened in relation to the bombs dropping

If the House ending is canon, I hope to see more robots voiced by Matt Berry. And also him voicing Fisto if possible.

I think either house or the courier. The legion isnt mentioned at all, the ncr is broken, the vault tec exec goes specifically to where house is/was but there arent any lights... what happened to hoover dam? What happened to vegas?

Twist... In season 2, the dad character finds the antechamber and someone already opened it and killed House. Then we meet the courier who now runs NV.

Vault tec didn’t start the war. The Chinese did bc of FEV development. The NCR isn’t collapsed, it’s diminished and has a new capitol elsewhere.

House didn’t know exactly when the nukes would happen. The nukes thwarted his plan to get the Chip, because nukes exploded before he even was ready, which is why he didn’t get the chip for 204 years. He did have an idea of it being a certainty. As for New Vegas? The lights are out, and broken securitrons and a crashed NCR Vertibird. The place doesn’t look good for what House would want it to be.

The fact that the BOS airship was in Season 1 of Fallout means that in Fallout 4 either the Minutemen or the BoS winning is the canon ending. It CAN'T be the Railroad or Institute because those both result in the destruction of the BoS airship. Now in the meeting we saw Mr. House. That would imply that we will see the character in Season 2. Which means he survived Fallout New Vegas so he won there

Incorrect on its face: New Vegas is not seen as a bright spot in the desert. Quite the opposite in fact, the walls are breached, there was a major battle, and everything is dark. Therefore, House was NOT successful. The only way the games make sense to the lore of the series is if the player character is killed moments after they take control (unarguably the most common ending among all games). This means that Fallout 2 cannot be canon because it's based on the Vault Dweller founding Arroyo, and more importantly, the West Coast Enclave survives (also explains why they were able to deploy in D.C. in Broken Steel). This means that the Courier was killed soon after leaving Doc Mitchell's house (probably by mantis nymphs), that the Mr. House ending CANNOT be canon (New Vegas would be seen as thriving instead of having a breached wall and dead Securitrons.), that Benny tried to make contact with the Great Khans but failed, that none of the 4 cinematic endings in New Vegas are canon, and that the destruction of Hoover Dam (not a potential ending in NV, I tried) must have been the only possible result to see the ending we do. This does however mean that House still exists in a low-power Lucky 37, though all of the other casinos, and indeed Freeside and North Vegas are all abandoned. Goodsprings, overrun by Powder Gangers, is probably the only viable remaining location, as I expect Boone to have called the Legion's attention to Novac and the NCR presence in Primm and McCarren to have caused the Legion to eradicate them before the dam was destroyed. 188 trading post no longer functions as a crossroads, so it too dissolved. Perhaps a raider settlement in Camp Golf exists due to its access to fresh water and mirelurks. The Boomers will also still exist.

Looks like the Strip is completely abandoned & the sands swallowed up the area. Maybe we'll learn in Season 2.

the more i get into the story of fallout the more i respect mr house for wanting to at least save his hometown. it is somewhat admirable

This makes me realize that ED-E who was trying to reach the enclave managed to find them

something you may have overlooked, in the footage of new vegas in the fallout show, all the securitrons were dead at the gates.. which in my mind symbolizes house is unable to replenish the guards

In the final episode, in the ending credit scene as it pans out through the The New Vegas strip everything is destroyed. Mr House would never let that happen if he had control over New Vegas. That makes me think that Mr House didn't win the Battle of Hoover dam but Caesar's legion did. Besides Mr House wouldn't make a great antagonist for season 2 but Caesars legion would I think.

It's never confirmed the NCR collapsed completely.

1. House states that he wants cages to collect money so he can use the wealth to fund the rebuilding of society, not for personal wealth. 2. In new cages it’s made clear with every interaction with Ncr factions that the Ncr is weak at the time, strapped for cash, spread thin, low on supplies, and experiencing inflation, so nuking there capital would definitely heavily damage their government, especially if they loose hover damn and vages

Given the state of New Vegas yet lack of NCR control (Every ending Caesar dies is an ending the legion collapses, and every ending the legion wins, the NCR raises an army), im guessing the Courier created an independent Vegas. House would never let that happen to Vegas and pretty much everyone including the courier had interest in his death. Im guessing when they find the Lucky 38, Yes man will be there, if anyone. I doubt they will directly show a protagonist, even one is famous as Courier. We could see characters like the Kings that arent removed return however.