I own a Tesla and nothing in this video makes me jealous. The 120kW charger is slower than Tesla's current v3 (250kW), the $/kWh Electrify America charges is 50% higher ($0.43 vs $0.28/kWh) and the Mach E is a bit less efficient than a Model 3/Y (330Wh/mi vs 275Wh/mi). They're still behind Tesla, but certainly in the game.

It's a nice effort. I hope Ford is making money on them and that they sell a huge bunch of them.

It is a nice car. But ford can't produce enough of them to have any real impact on anything. It doesn't beat a tesla at any metric. But is is still a nice car. Ford is making these for mpg compliance. That is why most of them arr heading to Europe.

I own a Tesla 3 and now a Mach E as well. I love the interior and exterior design of the Mach E and this was the primary reason I decided to buy the Mach E over the Tesla Y. My unbiased opinion is that DC charging on the Mach E comes nowhere close to Tesla. The software and the Ford Pass app is also years behind Tesla and the phone as a key is not very dependable. I would definitely buy another key fob when it becomes available. However The Mach E is loads of fun to drive and is now my primary vehicle (unless I drive out of state).

@@irfanhusein1445 glad you like the mach e! I am curious about what you think of tesla opening up their charging network to other vehicles? Also, are the charging wires long enough at a tesla super charger to reach the mach e port? (I realize there will be an adapter)

That happened to me on my first major road trip in my 2020 bolt. First station did not work, tried another one, did not work. Turns out I had to get customer service over the phone to reset all the chargers. They weren't accepting my payment until they rebooted the machines

This has never happened to me at the Superchargers. They just work, the very first time you plug in.

lol same but in real life

I've noticed that as well in many videos.

Mine works every time. Kyle Connor gave ea a bad name with his video. I would to see other cars like a bolt charge on the same chargers. Plug and play ev went from Boston to Austin and back in his bolt . For fully charged live last year. We need someone to go across in a non taycan or Tesla

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With the increased gas prices 10 months later do you still feel the same way.EV energy prices have remained the same 10 months later.

What did you end up getting

It would be shocking if they don't fix the massive dropoff at 80%. A dropoff is expected, but its dropping much more than usual.

What cars are you looking at? If I may ask.

Another car similar to mach e is the model y. The interior is more simpler but you do get the faster supercharging, better software, and autopilot

I did not have the AC on because I wanted to see what the car would draw without the added load, however the car was using the AC to cool the battery.

Does your volume not work?

Real world, 200 miles of range added

Though Ford and most makers already take that into account to a fair extent by leaving the battery with a significant unused excess. This keeps charging speeds from completely collapsing above 90% and (more important) protects the battery from damage. Still, yours is a good analogy and should help people realize that the slowing down is battery physics, not something Ford or the charging networks caused.

On family trips as a kid we usually made lunch stops, but they were short. If course, back then 200 miles range wasn't unuusual, so we had a couple of fuel and restroom stops, too. Still, in recent decades we've routinely driven 400 miles in one shot, with nothing but bathroom and gas breaks, and that was with one driver.

If you do a long distance trip often, I personally don’t recommend any EVs at this moment. However I do a long distance few times per year, so EV makes sense to me. Willing to make that little sacrifice for able to smoke most cars on the road.

Yes it does. Ford includes a limited amount of charging with every new EV

@@AAutoBuyersGuide limited as in 250kw, barely enough for 4 fill-ups. VW gives you three years of unlimited free fast charging with the Id.4.

@@randy2558 Yes, but then you have to drive a car that has been severely decontented for the U.S.

@@AMan-he9sz in other words, a typical VW. I'd also be worried about reliability, because their recent models haven't been impressive.

It is way blown out of proportion. There are videos on KZfaq of people that have done long trips successfully. If you are not really interested in evs why watch this video

@@markfitzpatrick6692 the one road trip analysis I've watched with Jason from engineering explained it looked like his savings from not buying gas were not nearly worth it. I follow EVs here and there to see if they've developed to be something I want yet - clearly not.

Gas pumps would not work either!

@@tbone9405 True, but a getset could run a fuel pump to supply fuel if setup for it.

All different sorts of scenarios can play out during emergency situations. If this happened and you are on a road trip the gas pumps are not going to work either and you're still stuck. If you were at home and the power was out then you would have whatever gasoline range was left in your car and what you can store at your house which to me is the best benefit of internal combustion. I can put 15 or 20 gallons stored away and some cans and keep it for at least up to a year or more. On the other hand Alex has solar and battery backup at his house so he would be able to charge at home regardless and at least drive in his area without any problems. For me personally I think I would like an EV that was great for City driving and was capable of long road trips, but I think I would still keep my old gas powered car as a backup

Good reason not to live in Texas until they decide to pay for a weather-proof system like the rest of the country.

@@tomhanrahan3763 Total nonsense dude. Are the skyscrapers in New York City earthquake proofed? Are there tornado shelters in seattle? There should be, because that could happen one day. See how stupid an argument that is? the situation in Texas occurred because a bunch of things all went wrong. Nobody plans for that.. and nobody can plan for every possible conceivable event. There was snow on the beaches in Galveston. When's the last time that happened? People don't plan for things that have never happened... And have little chance of ever happening. do us a favor and please don't move here. We don't need or want people with your attitude living here.. We're doing just fine.. will recover just fine, and we'll fix the problems that were discovered. by the way if it wasn't for Texas you would also be in the cold and the dark eventually, because guess who provides at least HALF of your fossil fuels.. that would Texas. without us you would starve to death in 3 weeks after the transportation system collapsed due to lack of fuel to run trucks and trains... So instead of being an arrogant jerk who thinks you know better than us because you THINK your prepared, you should thank the people down here that work their ass off to keep food on your table.

To each their own but since an American Driving Survey revealed that motorists drive, on average, 29.2 miles per day... it nice there are cheaper options for most of us... newsroom.aaa.com/2015/04/new-study-reveals-much-motorists-drive/

Dealer stock or new order? When will you expect to get it?

@@Thankz4sharing I am planning.

@@Thankz4sharing I am planning.

Congratulations! Enjoy!

It's probably a "propritary" country.

If they're situated inbetween the interstate (like in Maryland), yes it's a good setup. If not, it's not particularly efficient, as you either have to spend twice as much on parallel infrastructure, or drivers are inconvenienced by having to drive several miles out of their way to turn around.

@@thelondonbroiler They're almost always on both sides in California. I don't think it's a super big deal, as they're usually close together. They should be able to share much of their infrastructure, if not the actual charging connections.

@@markmiller3279 Can you explain this sharing of infrastructure? I am under the impression that an entity must spend nearly double an already exuberant amount of money to do this, or again, drivers going in the opposite direction must do a u turn to arrive and after departure.

@@thelondonbroiler They could just put half the needed capacity on one side and half on the other side. Still need 1 "cabinet" for every so many chargers anyway.

@@usa-ev And run cables inbetween?

My Toyota Mirai charges at 2,800kW (8 times faster than 350kW)

@@homomorphic You can't charge it at home.

@@Anothernerdyloser314 Who wants to tell him how slow H2 fueling stations are, esp with how few they can actually fill a day?

@@Anothernerdyloser314 you can't charge a BEV at home either if you live in an apartment in a dense urban environment (where 52.6 of the world's population lives). Fuel cells handle rural, suburban and urban, whilst BEVs only handle suburban (where 90% of current BEV owners live).

​@@homomorphic Most people who can afford Tesla usually lives in a home with garage or driveway. I would be anxious as hell if Hydrogen station I use is closed or exploded. No backup plans whatsoever if that happens. I'm sorry but you are just a guinea pig for driving a Mirai on 2021. When more stations are opened on 2040, maybe? For what you are paying for, any EVs or even a gasoline car will be more luxurious and faster.

Great question: Do you find the glass roof tint to be adequate when the sun is directly overhead?

I wonder if that has more to do with Ford's agreement with Electrify America than the charging capability of the Mach-e? Maybe Alex can do a full charge without using the Ford Pass to see if there is a difference in charging rate post 80%

@@justicepool - charging speed is a request from the car to the charger. I would think that cars typically don’t know what DC charger they’re plugged into, but in this case, there is a contactless connection, as Alex demonstrated. Does it make sense for EA to slow way down at the 80% charge level? In the interest of throughput - probably yes.

@@justicepool Another KZfaqr had the exact same experience in Norway. I think this is a Ford MachE thing. This effectively limits you to 200 mile charger spacing which means almost impossible to drive long distances to most places.

Dude, in most places in the country, high power electrify America fast chargers are with 100 miles of one another (except northern Midwest). Drove 4,000 miles in 5 days cross country (8,000 miles in 3 weeks, different routes), in a 2019 Bolt EV.

@@justicepool This is entirely typical of charging almost all kinds of batteries, including lithium batteries. They just hit their maximum at a certain point and after that start declining, with increasing speed as they get close to full. Phone and computer batteries do exactly the same.

70% of 270 miles or 189 miles. Or the same as a car that gets 396 mile of range off of $41 of gas...

You are correct that peak speed is just one factor. The most important is peak speed of the charger, then peak speed of the car, then it's efficiency of the car. In the end you want to know how long it takes to get just enough charge to get you to the next charger a few hours down the road. In the case of the Mach-E it's apparently 40 minutes which is 10% to 80%. In my Model 3 it's 16 minutes which is all I need to get 200 miles on a 150kW charger which is what most of them are. I haven't used a 250kW yet but I think that drops it to 10 minutes. Of course with low range cars like the Mach-E here with 270 miles, it's TERRIBLE they drop to 13kW for the last 20%. That will mean you can't go anywhere with charger spacing of more than 200 miles. In a Tesla at 80% I am still getting ~80kW and the ramp down is pretty slow. Past 95% is really slow but I'm at 300+ miles at 95%.

I thought about this too but I agree Alex's comment was fair. It takes a network that is 50% reliable and makes it 25% reliable and slower. It's hard to call that CCS support. Maybe one day Tesla will get rock solid CCS support in the US but I'd not pick nits and say it just doesn't exist yet.

@@gregb7353 Tesla does make and sell a very nice compact CCS1 adapter for the Korean market. Tesla should sell it here this year.

Alex also failed to mention that non-Tesla EV's can charge at Tesla level 2 chargers with an adapter as well. insideevs.com/news/466928/charging-non-tesla-on-tesla-charging-stations/

The Korean adapter will not work on n American Tesla’s. Given the issues with the setec Adapter including the speed and reliability issues and the fact that it is not supported by Tesla, I would call it not supported

@@AAutoBuyersGuide Alex. I disagree but you could be correct. Look at the Tesla Korean web site. It is the 5 pin CCS1 standard just like what the North American standard. The CCS2 is different. I will fo more research. PS: I like you solar system and you do a fine job with your reviews. Big fan.

How much does it cost to fill your car from 10% empty to 80% full? Honestly, $20 sounds about right for an EV charging during the day given I personally daily drive a car that takes premium (91) unleaded.

My home electricity is about 1/4 of the $.43/kWh they charge. Most people currently charge at home so it is much cheaper.

The VW ID 4 gets 3 years of free charging from Electrify America which is pretty dope. Most of your charging comes from home. DC is for trips or I guess if you have to use it to charge if you live in an apartment.

@@Zhenocnra my car takes regular, a full tank is somewhere around 17 gallons. it gets right around 30 MPG on the highway, so ~500 miles "range." Where I live, gas is currently 2.33 so a tank is around 40 bucks. so 20 bucks into my tank is basically the same as 20 bucks into the mach e, same "range", except mine is from empty to half and this is 10%-80%.

@@scottnorton9304 I wonder if those charging stations cost less if used at night time. During the day they may be passing on the peak rates to the customer.

$0.10 mile is what he paid for this session. In California gas is what, $3.XX/gallon? A regular mustang six banger might get 30mpg on the highway, or $0.10/mile. At home it usually costs a third to a half, just depends. I wish it were cheaper too.

I see a Tesla supercharger on the video. Curious to know how much is it to charge a Tesla on that location with similar range. Last time I charged, supercharging about ~200 miles cost less than $10, but he's at cali where everything is much more expensive.

@@b1uezea1ot The charger he was at cost $0.43/kWh (5:30) and a Tesla supercharger is usually $0.28/kWh. Their cost is 50% higher than Tesla.

@@sooocheesy You are correct that $.43 is the standard charge at Electrify America. But no one who uses that Network regularly would pay that. They have a membership program for four dollars a month that will reduce the rate to $.31 per kilowatt hour. Very comparable to Tesla pricing. If you charge a vehicle twice in one month it is worth the membership.

@@ronb4633 Can you get the cheaper rate while using Ford Pass?

Yes

They're both very competent electric vehicles with competitive range. If you don't expect to take road trips in it, the range might easily be enough for all your local trips. I'd be looking at what you get for the money. Remember that Ford hasn't used up their Federal credits, so the Ford will end up costing quite a bit less. Then there's the question of features and room and comfort. Try them out just as you would any standard car. One may be much more to your taste than the other when you've sat in it and driven it.

Tesla is like apple, mach is like android

It is only .31 cents a kWh if you are a member

Maybe a little, but that kind of drop off is normal for lithium batteries. Phones do it, too.

A drop is certainly expected but it’s usually linear. I rarely fast charge my model 3 but think it’s still around 50 or more kw at 80%. The cliff for the Ford is odd since it has much higher rate of charge at 79.9% then just drops at 80%.

I’ve used the 350kw stations at 10% and below and it still peaks at 126.

Tom from inside evs has a video about it on is personal KZfaq channel and inside ev channel

I theory yes, but the fastest speed I’ve seen is 34 kw, it’s not supported by Tesla and it’s been extremely buggy. Call me back when Elon makes an adapter and warrants it....

They’re coming out with v4 superchargers that can charge at 350kw+.

thanks mr. obvious

@@nc3826 Seems like not everybody knows it.

It’s also fewer syllables, so theoretically easier to say than pronouncing out the letters.

@@Antenox I admit that out of efficiency Alex's choice is better.

@@Antenox , both ways is 3 syllables.

250 kWh

IMHO, I personally would not road trip any EV from coast to coast

When you hit elevation changes your range plummets - it's get scary/annoying fast.

@@rkalla Yep and good luck maintaining sanity while searching for and waiting at charging stations in those road conditions. I drive a PHEV (gen2 Volt) and I'm so happy I went that route. In city street driving I never use the ICE, even driving around all day, as soon as I hit highway speeds with a bit of elevation change, bye bye battery range, hello ICE backup!

I would only drive a Tesla half-way across country. As shown in this video, the non-Tesla network isn't very reliable. He was lucky that he's in the EV epicenter of the world and had 6 other stalls to switch to. In fly over country you have one shot and then it's the tow truck. With Tesla you do encounter a non-working charger occasionally but you have at a minimum 5 other stalls to try and commonly 15 other stalls or even another station on the other side of town. The part at the end of the video which said a Tesla is more efficient is important too. With a Tesla you don't charge like this cross country. You drive ~200 miles, charge for 16 minutes, drive ~200 miles, charge for 16 minutes, etc. So every ~3 hours you take a 20 minute break from driving. If you don't have kids It's slower than gas but honestly Autopilot makes the trip so much easier I would choose the Tesla over the gas car every time. A 18 hour drive has 2 hours of charging where you also get food and take breaks. In a gas car I still bet you stop for an hour total anyway for fuel, food and breaks.

@@anydaynow01 Volt is the perfect car for road trip - we have a Pacifica Hybrid and Model Y Perf. Would never toad trip the model Y for exactly the reasons you bring up.

As important as the ability to do 350kw, the Ioniq should also be very efficient which is almost as important. As long as it can keep the battery cool and therefore have a good charge curve it should be the fastest. That said, there is a diminishing return. My Model 3 Long Range goes from 10% to 80% in ~30 minutes on a 120kW, ~20 minutes on a 150kW and from what I've been told, ~15 minutes on a 250kW. While certainly faster, I bet at 350kw it would only shave a few minutes off the time and be 12-13 minutes. The reason is no EV can sustain 150kw+ for very long and keep the batteries safe. Bigger batteries and better efficiencies. The sweet spot is around 3-4 hours of driving per 10 minute stop. You could do this with a 250kW charger if you had a 500 mile battery. This is because you only need to go from 10% to 40% which can be done at near 250kW and a 4 miles per kW efficiency.

Does Ioniq give you free years of fast charging and if so how many? Also, don't only certain charging stations qualify?

@@gregb7353 Actually, Ioniq claims 18 minutes for an 80% charge, so that is probably the realistic fastest you can get...

@@OlJackBurton Hyundai hasn't announced this yet. It's unknown, but at least we know it'll charge much faster than the Ford and probably cheaper too. As far as VW, it's free charging at all Electrify America fast chargers.

You’re lucky you get that high. My 2012 leaf never can get near 50kw even at low state of charge.

Depends entirely on the cost of gasoline. Outside the US, EU and Canadian gas prices are high enough that public charging, while expensive, is less so than gasoline (gasoline in Quebec, where I live, is about 4.95$/gal--well above the most expensive DCFC rates in the province--and my home electric rates (no special off-peak rates) is 0.09$/kWh. My current vehicle costs, in gasoline, about 6500$/yr for the 35,000km/yr I drive (pre-COVID--will return to that annual distance once this pandemic is over). A Chevy Bolt, if charged exclusively at home, would cost me 550$/yr to cover the same distance. Even if I do half my charging on public chargers (in reality, it would be more like 30-35%), I would come out way ahead. A Prius Prime (most efficient hybrid) would cost me 1800$/yr in fuel plus electricity.

Yes

200 real world miles for $20, or $0.10/mile. Home charging (if you can do it), is where EV driving is cheap/shines, because it's usually somewhere about a third of the price of fast charging at Electrify America.

@@thelondonbroiler $7 dollars for 200 miles and much more for the last 40 miles isn't that much more economical than a hybrid that gets 50 mpg at $2 a gallon or 4 cents a mile. How the heck does Ford and et al get the figure of 100+ MPGe if each mile costs more than 3.3 cents and a car that got really 100+ mpg would pay less 2-3 cents a mile depending on current gas costs (around $2 to $3 the last few years)?

@@OlJackBurton Probably Ford knows it and that's why they included Electrify charging for free (for some time?).

@@OlJackBurton The EPA formula is calculating environmental equivalency of fuel used, not how much you pay per gallon.

​@@markmiller3279 So are they making assumptions on how much if any of the fuel used is renewable? There's a huge difference if the electricity used came completely from wind and/or solar or completely from oil/coal/natural gas/nuclear or even some combination of all these and they don't give a different rating for each state or local area. Also it seems that electricity stored in batteries, no matter where it comes from, is less efficient than gas, at least in terms of energy density. This also doesn't factor the environmental impact of how recyclable or reuseable battery packs and motors are compared to ICEs and transmissions. blog.ucsusa.org/rachael-nealer/gasoline-vs-electric-global-warming-emissions-953 Based on either 2015 or 2018 data, the "average" BEV has the US average environmental impact as a 68 MPG vehicle. That's pretty far from the average 100+ MPGe that BEVs claim according to EPA. www.hybridcars.com/what-is-mpge/ According to this site, the EPA calculates MPGe based on assumptions of fuel costs and energy rates. And the assumption that one gallon of gas was energy equivalent to 33.7 kW hours, which is not a static number and it takes no consideration of all energy efficiency losses from original fuel source to propulsion. It also mentions nothing about environmental impacts. When the Leaf and Volt were originally given their MPGe ratings, the cost of gas was close to $4 a gallon and the "fuel" cost per 25 miles driven was also considered. The 114 MPGe Leaf had a "cost" of 3.6 cents per miles compared to the 33 MPG Civic which had a cost of 11.2 cents per mile. There was no way the Leaf would have gotten 100+ MPGe if gas prices were under $2, especially when the average kW hour was also more expensive then, let alone not as renewable, which the EPA actually doesn't factor at all in their ratings. The current cost difference per mile for BEVs and very efficient ICEs and GHEVs is no longer anywhere near as high as it was. The EPA also didn't factor very cold weather, which is very common in many states, into their ratings. These ratings were not adjusted downwards as gas prices went down and these ratings stick with those vehicles for the life of the vehicle. MPGe is a VIRTUAL OPERATING COST or OPERATING EFFICIENCY rating and the way it is calculated currently is very inaccurate...

Gas used to be $2 two months ago.About $3 now

Did you mean per KWH?

The video did mention the middle of America has no charging stations for the MachE. It specifically talked about the hole in Iowa, Kansas, Wyoming area. To be fair, while Tesla is better there, it's still a hole for them too with easily the least dense part of their network. Still, you charge at home and rarely use a public charger except for long trips. Check a site called A Better Route Planner and see what it would be like for yourself using any of the charging networks.

@@gregb7353 No, the video said there were no DC fast-charging stations along a certain highway in a certain part of the country, in the context of road trips. My comment was not specific to DC fast-charging or road trips.

Being the home of Tesla doesn't make things better for other brands, like this Ford.

@@markmiller3279 It’s more that CA pushes EVs so hard, and being the cradle of Tesla and the state where Tesla vehicles were first embraced and fastest sold also means that’s where other manufacturers have focused on competing for customers who have more readily accepted EVs as normal. For example, here in Austin there are many people who would be open to EVs other than Tesla or GM... but compelling vehicles like the Kona EV are not sold here. Therefore, the infrastructure for those competing vehicles is not built out like it is in CA.

No, it's limited to 50KW, sadly.

His cars range is 270. 70% of 270 is 189. So he got 189 miles out of his $20. What a rip off.

@@SpaceyZee So 189 miles for $20, or about 9.5 miles for every dollar. That doesn't seem to bode well for the wallet if you're using charging stations. Any car making 25 mpg or more will save you $$$ (assuming gas @ $2.50/gal). However, here in AZ you can get off-peak electric at home for about $0.11 per kWh. So that would be about $7.25 total to go from the same 10% to 80% charge (albeit a much slower charging rate).

You do know that range depends on weather, terrain , and accessories. The range gets cut in half when the temps are below 20 and the range of those batteries will slip away as the cars age

@@WhittyPics yeah, that's assuming his car isn't being driving in the cold, he doesn't have the heater on. This is the "future" lol I'm good with my 13 lexus es 350. Goes further per dollar than this electric car.

@@SpaceyZee Electrify america and non tesla networks charge almost 2x what Tesla does.

The Electrify America charger randomly dropped the connection and stopped charging the car, so he moved to a different charger. The EA chargers are notorious for being rather flaky.

It dropped to 34kW at 80% - 8:32. A Model 3/Y on a 150/250kW charger still is quite a bit faster than the Mach E. Hopefully Ford will unleash charging curves to catch up with their competition.