How Forced Reset Triggers Work

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Күн бұрын

NOTE: the audio in this video is a bit messed up in some places, but I was recording and re-recording this for hours to try to get it right and settled for what you see here. Please excuse some of the noise!
By popular demand, a video on forced reset triggers. These have been the subject of controversy for a year or so now, and are a pretty interesting phenomenon. Any firearms or legal expert will tell you, these aren't machine guns - and by the letter of the (constitutionally undermining) law, they ARE NOT machine guns. The definition of a machine gun in legislation requires that MULTIPLE rounds of ammo be fired without manual reloading for a SINGLE function of the trigger. By nature, forced reset triggers are legally semi-automatic triggers and can only fire once per trigger function.
Consider the very fact that such a mechanism has now manifested itself to contend the law. Is God trying to say something about American gun laws?
We discuss how FRTs work in this video after a brief refresher on how triggers in general work, as well as my own personal FRT design. We also talk a bit about the politics and philosophy of guns and automatic weapons/forced reset triggers in general.
I need to give credit where due, so thanks to Hoffman Tactical at / hoffmantactical , for his amazing work with 3D printed components to turn mil spec AR-15 fire control groups into forced reset triggers. Buddy, if you're watching this, please take my combination disconnector/plate, and run with it. You have my support and endorsement, and I want you to succeed and make the difference you were meant to.
As always, questions and comments welcome in the comments section - please keep it civil.

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@badassoptic 10 ай бұрын

If it's not for the law, everyone would just stick with the old fashion full auto trigger. But this is a great engineering discovery

@deadpavuk7657 4 ай бұрын

Да, но сегодня все ещё есть проблема. Подобные УСМ распространены на AR, но не на АК. А если речь идёт про старое оружие, вроде MG 42, то придется самому проектировать подобный УСМ, и не факт что он возможен.

@apricotcharms4126 6 күн бұрын

And now there is super safety

@DGworksIvan 2 жыл бұрын

These trigger animation analyze is real content. this deserves way more attention than it's right now. every gun law's an infringement.

@stephanarizona9094 10 ай бұрын

I'm 100% with you, I'm 44 now and in my teen's and 20's I believed in "reasonable" gun control, now with some age and wisdom, I am a 2A Absolutist! All gun laws are illegal and unconstitutional. I have a saying, people think I am joking but in concept I am not, "A felon should be able to walk into Walmart and buy a belt feed machine gun. If they chose to do something irresponsible with it, when an armed citizen will remove them from the gene pool." Everything around 2A comes down to accountability and responsibility and thats why until recently anti-gunners have been winning, we have had multiple lazy and irresponsible generations, thankfully in the past 5+ years we have seen a massive resurgence in understanding the philosophical reasons of owning a firearm, and a huge shift from guns for hunting to guns are a tactical tool to prevent tyranny. Repeal the NFA and Hughes Amendment! I personnel think the ATF are useless but if we keep them, they need to restructures and handcuffed with limited scope and mission.

@rich4137 Жыл бұрын

I was working towards a photographic engineering degree in my youth until the introduction of digital cameras which mandated the end of my pursuit. Engineering has always fascinated me even to this day, had I been exposed to this area earlier in life I would definitely be doing this. Too old now but kudos to you for sharing, I feel a bit younger thanks to this video.

@MainelyMoto207 4 ай бұрын

Highs amendment only banned the sale of automatic guns made after 1986. It didn't ban the ownership of automatic firearms, just caused prices to skyrocket.

@lilrobi45xxx42 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice. I like how you made yours similar to an original fire control group but modifying it to be forced reset and I love how it’s super simple and not complicated. I really hope that design works really well for you

@lilrobi45xxx42 2 жыл бұрын

I am also working on doing one for the AK but I’m running into trouble with it but it seems like it’s going ok so far

@seanm3tt493 2 жыл бұрын

@Lilrobi45 Xxx, keep us updated bro!

@StealthTheUnknown 7 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure the noise we hear shortly after the 21 minute mark is interference from monitoring devices. The timing is uncanny, and it would explain it. Think about this: the NSA can't probably actively monitor all recording, all media and communication, all the time. What I think is going on is that there's passive listening programs that cue in to key phrases, and I'm sure some of the right ones were spoken about this time that might have triggered a more active surveillance protocol.

@arkgaming3730 8 ай бұрын

very good video, I enjoy your trigger mechanics greatly!

@spotat6234 2 жыл бұрын

Yo! New upload :D Very informative, 10/10 Nice to hear your voice again :>

@AlanGriffith 2 жыл бұрын

Very underrated channel man

@StealthTheUnknown 2 жыл бұрын

🤫

@sonnyragland7135 4 ай бұрын

I LOVE your posts. Could you one on the PBG ALAMO-15?

@CowboybubPercussion 2 жыл бұрын

I made a design where the disconnector when locked in the rear position by the selector gets locked in a way that when the trigger is pulled, the disconnector acts as a forced resetting surface against the hammer, in the normal forward position, it falls into a recess and hook that allows it to act as a normal disconnector… this theoretically speaking can be upgraded forward to mimic the function of a burst trigger using a counting mechinisim in the hammer, the counting mechanisim would keep the forced reset/disconector hybrid in the rear position for 3 shots, after the third shot, the disconnector forced reset hybrid falls into that recess with the hook, causing it to act as a normal disconnector catching the hammer… sadly I think I will never see either of these in fruition because of the current dictations by the ATF

@StealthTheUnknown 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah we will. They’re not going to keep getting away with it. It’s their hill to die on, and this time we have the experts and lawyers weighing in on it. Your mechanism sounds good. I’d like a way to make it work in a way where it can be selected into or out of that function so it’s not burst frt all the time. I’ll play around with what you said and see what can be done.

@CowboybubPercussion 2 жыл бұрын

@@StealthTheUnknown you could have multiple resetting disconnector hibrids to swich function maby, and if the size of the space for the trigger mech allows it, the space that the trigger itself uses for the disconnector could be widened for more support and to be able to accommodate them both… it might only be a piece of the puzzle tho… also, is there a discord or something we can talk on? I’d love to talk to you

@lilrobi45xxx42 2 жыл бұрын

Do you have a place where people can see it

@StealthTheUnknown 2 жыл бұрын

@@lilrobi45xxx42 see what? I don’t have that particular mechanism drafted up yet, it’s just an idea right now

@StealthTheUnknown 2 жыл бұрын

@@lilrobi45xxx42 unlessyou were asking Cowboybub2003 Percussion

@blackfrost273industries4 2 жыл бұрын

I have been fascinated to the two videos, h and k and the sig saur burst group. I would hope that you do get to come back to those two other groups, like the fn. I don't wish to demean or negate progress, but encourage you to continue. It is interesting to see frt or the bearing group for an auto effect and the ripoff (yet to be determined) bdu wot. I'd really like to see your good work on simplistic design for burst. If it is similar to fn design, ok. Great minds and all that, yeah? Edit: I finished the video. I think the chevrons deferens (I think I have my Latin correct) being spoken from "armed scholar" (I like his stuff a lot) is a good thing. Resummarizing, a definition of what is contextual shall be followed when definitions are reviewed and we know aft, has not been so conserved about this. I think I did that well, the people in supreme court having said paraphrasing, no. No new definitions of an assault rifle, that's incorrect. Bad aft, bad... Your rear view of the bar setup makes me curious on spring assembly, laterally when selecting operation mode for the group. I see some inherit problems, but that's the fun part. I wonder if it's probably to work if selection is biased to the train of thought known, err on the side of caution. Chamfer being a weak point to slide with, down to single projectile release from burst, or single to safety in knowing it will prevent the worst-case-scenario of runaway firing. There may be a better revision to think about. Adjust the selector switch to have a cam profile to be fixed and active per group operation selection. Yes? Maybe wayyy off base of what your mindset is for simplistic operation modes for trigger groups.

@connort7497 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video! I'm always impressed. If you don't mind, what are your simulation settings? Like simulation Hz, weights, scale, etc. I have some clipping when dealing with high speed or small objects, like bullets and firing pins.

@StealthTheUnknown 2 жыл бұрын

Set the sim frequency higher (2-400 is usually good enough,) and make parts a bit bigger and heavier than normal. Some guns are huge by scale, but it’s the proportions that are being used instead of the scale. It all has to be balanced, of course

@Tohoku09 10 ай бұрын

Great vid, this should have way more views...

@TheBenJiles 11 ай бұрын

The animation and explanation of how everything works together made so much sense. Thank you!

@smileydag 11 ай бұрын

Thanks. I was trying to figure out what this was.

@thacellar 2 жыл бұрын

might want to look up klaviermeister cbt trigger its also a 3d printed selectable forced reset trigger, also I agree we as the U.S do an amazing job of having our citizens own firearms despite the unfortunate events.

@StealthTheUnknown 2 жыл бұрын

nice share! I do notice however that the Klaviermeister CBT is a fair bit more complex and has more difficult components to source, like the M16A2 style burst trigger. They're not TOO terribly difficult to source, but may be a bit more prohibitive than standard AR15 FCG parts. KM has also has a separate disconnector and forced reset component, I combined the two. Amazing to see some of the similarities, though!

@Unsername6785 2 жыл бұрын

What is it I can’t find info anywhere online about the klaveirmeister cbt trigger

@StealthTheUnknown 2 жыл бұрын

@@Unsername6785 there’s not any images or whatever, but I saw some pages talking about it and how it worked.

@officedullard8722 Жыл бұрын

Very cool video, very informative, well done. What if AK though, hmm... 🤔

@PoormansMachineGun Жыл бұрын

Good content! Subscribed! I have an FRT CAD design for MP5 I need to have animated!

@Brutox6222 Жыл бұрын

Definitely wanna see that

@StealthTheUnknown 8 ай бұрын

Same here!

@StealthTheUnknown 8 ай бұрын

I'd be willing to communicate further on this

@KitKart 2 жыл бұрын

This was a really informative video to me. It fascinates me on just how clever manufactures can get when it comes to bypassing unconstitutional laws and it makes me overjoyed every time to see such things happen. I'm still curious though as to whether or not you can design such an FRT where you can press the trigger down as hard as you can and not have a trigger malfunction while doing so as I've heard that's a current problem with the FRT-15. Not sure if it applies to the Alamo-15 yet. Thank you for this highly informative video!

@TheSundayShooter Жыл бұрын

If they did, you would either have a conventional reset trigger again or achieved automatic fire, which defeats the purpose

@appatula Жыл бұрын

This is an excellent historical, political, and technical resource regarding this subject. Any chance you will be releasing the Algodoo file for this? This absolutley needs to be preserved. Edit: Just discovered wealth of wonderful Algodoo animations you have done. ALL of your stuff should be preserved. These files represent an incredible amount of educational value. It's seriously impressive.

@rayaguilar9085 11 ай бұрын

Where are they though? Couldn't find them in the online search inside Algodoo.

@appatula 10 ай бұрын

Unfortunately I don't think they have been made publicly accessible. If anyone can find the source files for these, please post a link. These would be a great educational teaching tool if they were available! @@rayaguilar9085

@StealthTheUnknown 8 ай бұрын

search the user "ngphil"

@markbest5127 11 ай бұрын

This guy's idea is awesome. 🤘🏼

@rbenzio 10 ай бұрын

What animation/simulation software were you using.

@StealthTheUnknown 10 ай бұрын

Algodoo. Www. Algodoo.com/download

@Stratinvllc Жыл бұрын

very nice

@Franimus 2 күн бұрын

Does it require the same amount of minimum pull force to maintain firing fully automatic vs maintain firing repeatedly with a FRT?

@StealthTheUnknown 2 күн бұрын

@@Franimus the pulling force varies between different offerings by different companies. From what I gather, the pulling force to break an FRT and begin firing is about the same as a full-auto, but unlike full auto there’s a cap to how hard you can pull an FRT before it starts to hang up. Eventually, friction between the hammer and the bolt as a result of pressure on the trigger will cause it to freeze the bolt to the rear until pressure is released. Otherwise, yeah. They’re pretty much identical in the amount of “push” you give them. All depends on the offering and its specific mechanical features - how many springs you’re compressing, how the mechanisms move, etc.

@Franimus 2 күн бұрын

@@StealthTheUnknown thanks for the quick reply! What I mean is do you need to vary the force you're applying with a FRT, or is it consistent?

@StealthTheUnknown 2 күн бұрын

@@Franimus the force you apply is consistent.

@seanm3tt493 2 жыл бұрын

The wheel on the Alamo trigger is much, much better than the locking bar on the FRT. If you can make your design with a wheel then it would be the trigger that God made

@StealthTheUnknown 2 жыл бұрын

The Alamo 15 is a “positive displacement” only trigger, with no selective capacity. I do see what you mean with the roller, but that increases the complexity and cost. It may be more suitable to have the locking bar like you see in my video, where it wears out a bit sooner but costs less to make, and therefore to replace. All depends on the materials and manufacturing methods

@BigDangler308 2 жыл бұрын

The AFT works hard man

@StealthTheUnknown 2 жыл бұрын

And it gets itself nowhere but further and further into trouble. Oh well🤷‍♂️

@mrshort2379 Жыл бұрын

that is awesome it is the first FCG animation that actually shows all three FCG's. personally I like the Hoffman trigger I just wish I ha a 3d Printer. Now if someone would come up with a way we could buy 3d printed parts (no questions asked) for those of us that don't have 3d printer would be awesome. I would love to have a Hoffman FRT style trigger "without it costing a fortune" reasonably priced..

@StealthTheUnknown Жыл бұрын

“All three?” You do know there’s more than 3, right? Work is being done to integrate everything together as best as possible into one trigger pack, giving the operator a diverse selection of trigger options (some of which haven’t even really been talked about yet.) Progress is slow because this is where the innovation is happening, but the wheels are spinning.

@TEDodd Жыл бұрын

There are several places you can upload files and they print and ship to you.

@jasonstephenson793 Жыл бұрын

While I agree that function wise these triggers do not make it burst or full auto, in the 20,000 pages of Federal firearms regulations there is sections that do talk about rate of fire, in these sections it does clearly state the max rate of fire for every common firearm on the market & that it is illegal to modify the firearm any any way to increase the rate of fire form the manufactures design.

@khanhgiapham-mi4hg Жыл бұрын

so shooting like jerry miculek is illegal right ??? :)

@rbenzio 10 ай бұрын

Point me to that regulation. Was that passed by Congress or written by the ATF?

@deadpavuk7657 3 ай бұрын

Булет ли видео о подобном УСМ для АК ?

@sparten9999 7 ай бұрын

can you do one on hoffmans new super safety?

@StealthTheUnknown 7 ай бұрын

I’ve watched him explain it and I still don’t fully understand it. I’ll have to get a better look at it, or possibly even have a discussion with the man himself. All that said, as much as I would like to, it’s HIS work and I defer the responsibility to explaining how it works to him. I still haven’t seen him thoroughly explain and demonstrate how it works; if he never gets around to an in-depth explanation, and I come across something that makes it make sense, I might just do it.

@StealthTheUnknown 7 ай бұрын

Okay, I just watched it again and it’s actually pretty simple. I’ll get around to at least drafting a model of it.

@sparten9999 7 ай бұрын

no worries. just loved the other trigger videos. really made it clear how they function. thanks for the reply :)@@StealthTheUnknown

@SpringtimeForGaming 10 ай бұрын

Anyone have a link to the Discord or a way to get in touch with Stealth? I have a (Google-averse, or he'd ask himself lol) friend who'd love to run some ideas past him to see if they're possible. Thanks in advance!

@StealthTheUnknown 8 ай бұрын

I think I know a guy 😏shoot me your buddy’s details and I’ll get in touch. My sincerest apologies for not seeing this sooner!

@Phar2Rekliss 4 ай бұрын

You need to do a supersafety cutout view!

@StealthTheUnknown 4 ай бұрын

Yup, in the works, especially with the recent raid

@ithedon911 Жыл бұрын

What is an AFT? Is that similar to an NFT, 😂

@StealthTheUnknown 3 ай бұрын

a redundant posterior financial drain.

@SWZ32TT Ай бұрын

Equally as useless.

@selmiravdic4798 Жыл бұрын

So the force reset trigger is like that pirate meme. Feds: "Is this legal?" Pirate: "Well no, but actually yes." Technically it is legal due to your finger moving ever so slightly, kinda like the bump stock where your finger is pushed against the trigger to cause it to fire another round. It's parts like these that are forcing the ATF to redefine what a 'machine gun' is, loopholes like these should be patched just like the gun show loophole because it just causes more trouble for everyone else. Heck the ATF or whoever else is trying to make disassembling and reassembling guns for cleaning and maintenance illegal because of parts kits. All of these 'solutions' to go around the law are causing more laws to be made and placing harder restrictions on the lawful owners.

@smokingcrab2290 Жыл бұрын

Citizens are never going to stop innovating and the government is never going to stop oppressing and reaching for power it was never intended to have. You can't comply your way out of tyranny. They've been targeting our guns for decades. Restrictions are inevitable. So is innovation.

@joeb6750 Жыл бұрын

If you think passively sitting around and not working within the confines of the law would somehow make you safe from more GCAs or NFAs then I got a bridge to sell you. There is no such thing as a "gun show" loophole. FFLs are still required to process 4473s regardless if their sale is at a gun show or in house. Depening on the state, private sellers may sell a gun without the need of a transfer through an FFL, but that can be done anytime and a gun show is unnecessary. Additionally, a seller must still follow federal and state restrictions and most states have a "reasonable belief" burden of not transferring to a prohibited possessor. There is no hard requirements on what reasonable entails, but it is in a seller's best interest to have at least some diligence lest they be found guilty of something. Also the ATF has been loose and goosey with definitions for sometime, its only more recently that they've been bold enough to completely rewrite a definition provided by Congress. Just look up the items that the ATF has ruled to be machine guns in the past: shoestrings, rubber bands, electronic gloves, drawings, and all sorts of fun stuff.

@mithril1584 Жыл бұрын

This dude is a FED.

@deadpavuk7657 3 ай бұрын

Поддерживаю свободу гражданского оружия. Боритесь ✊🏻 У нас недавно был террористический акт, и никто из 6000 тысяч поситителей неимел оружия, даже полиция и охрана. 140 человек погибло за 15 минут. И даже после этого нашлись политики, которые предложили ещё больше ужесточить оборот оружия для граждан 🤦‍♂️

@OZTutoh Жыл бұрын

16:15 Man, this philosophy has aged badly. Now you get kids who are literally minding their own business but they press the wrong door bell or they enter the wrong car or they drive up the wrong driveway and they're either grievously injured or dead. And that doesn't happen in other countries.

@StealthTheUnknown 3 ай бұрын

That kind of thing is so unbelievably rare, and absolutely does happen in other countries. We just have a lot of propaganda blowing it up any time it does happen in an attempt to push public opinion towards bans.

@OZTutoh 3 ай бұрын

@@StealthTheUnknown It's not propaganda if it is reporting something that actually happened and it actually happened that way. I guess these events have to happen a second time each before you'll treat them as believably rare.

@StealthTheUnknown 3 ай бұрын

@@OZTutoh propaganda comes in many forms. Sometimes the reporting might be factual, but the way it’s presented is sensationalized and misleading. This happens to be one of those cases where the reporting often is true, but presented in a way that takes advantage of people’s ignorance to sway the perception.

@SavageFoxProductions 6 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂 you lost all respect and views for me when you said that you respect people in the ATF

@StealthTheUnknown 6 ай бұрын

Bye then! Have fun with your black and white bullshit, it will fail you, and your lack of attention to detail (I did not say I SUPPORT ANYONE - I said I HAD SUPPORTERS IN THE ATF - people who support what you and I do but may not necessarily have the leverage or the the momentum to sway the agency’s hand. BIG difference.)

@StealthTheUnknown 6 ай бұрын

“You shut up and do your work - we don’t need your fantasies or fanciful ideas. This is the real world, and your fantasies won’t work in them. Now shut up and do what I tell you to do.” I’m sure you’ve heard this at work at least once, or something like it. I’m telling you - people have come forth who hear this more often than you think. Support the people fighting the good fight, stop having such a simplistic and tribal worldview my friend.

@lilrobi45xxx42 2 жыл бұрын

Hey man, do you have a discord so I can talk to you

@StealthTheUnknown 2 жыл бұрын

sorry I missed this. acknowledge this message and I'll give it to you. message me on disc, and I'll delete this thread for safety.

@lilrobi45xxx42 2 жыл бұрын

@@StealthTheUnknown ok got ya.