What I get from this is that we must always exclude Vigil to have a well balanced tier list.

"Myrtle is better than 73% of the entire roster" seems legit

Yeah I agree, everyone shits on the gamepress tier list saying something along the lines of "tier lists don't work in arknights at all because there too many different roles + situations" or "waifu over meta". But some operators are just kinda objectively (generally/in 99% of situations) better than others and I think most of the rankings make sense. I think it does do a pretty decent job at what it does, even if it isn't perfect.

The ratings were also compared to others in their class, originally an S in a weak class could be weaker than an A in a heavily populated class with powerful operators. I believe value in the rogue like is also factored, hence Jaye being an S-.

"Oooh wait, is that Vigil?" *proceed to eliminate him from the distribution*

I remember my friend telling me not to use tier list and level who I want, but the new player tier list in particular really helped in informing me who I should build first, so that I can start completing EX stages and IS runs even in the early game. Lots of 4-stars I initially slept on as well as 5 stars I shouldn't build just yet were had. Though once you have a solid team tier-list's become less and less useful.

tier lists, in the grand scheme of things, work. you follow it and you’d generally find yourself in a decent place. its a great starting point for players to be introduced to the game. as the play progresses, they’ll develop their own playstyle and their own mental tier list. let people cook. tier lists are helpful and gamepress made a pretty dang good one, considering how complex this game is

Loved the video! Really good job! Very informative but surprisingly easy to comprehend. ❤

Arknights is a really interesting example because almost every operator has SOME niche where they shine. 12F is not a good splash caster, I used him on Patriot so he could try to use his 50% Physical Dodge to sidestep a spear or two. Yato is not a good Vanguard OR a fast-redeploy, but I used her in the recent Story chapters to draw turret fire on occasion -- only she and Mr. Nothing have 2-block on a short redeploy timer.

I think another reason it's hard to do a truly even distribution in tier lists is that power is rarely distributed evenly. There may be more strong units than average or weak units, which makes it harder to rank things. It would be weird for a bunch of otherwise excellent units to be shoved into C or B tier purely for the sake of maintaining an even distribution in the tierlist.

Before watching this full video, I think GP tier-list is good enough for starter to pick out some of the operators to promote as their very first E2s; GP tier-list do include a detailed description of said operators.

i was expecting an analysis of the unit placements and your opinions on them but the stats class was also sufficiently entertaining

I think the problem with judging tier lists using a normal distribution is that the ideal forms of these distributions tend to suppose an infinite number of data, which is significantly harder to achieve with smaller data samples, like the number of operators in Arknights. Additionally, it's not in Hypergryph's biggest interest to keep a normal distribution of power level, their interest tends towards releasing strong or at the very least playable operators that are worth pulling for, which is why there are virtually no operators in the bottom half of the ranks minus the freebie or the occassional severely underperforming unit. Minus some inconsistencies between tiers in different classes, their tier list is fairly decent, and resources like this are useful to help new players decide who provides a better payoff for their resource investment because Arknights is, among other things, a resource management game. If anything, GP's biggest issue (shared with the wiki) are the summaries that tend to restate the archetype or skill's strengths and weaknesses without saying more. Like yes, I know that Specter's S2 allows her to cheat death and stuns when the skill ends, everyone who can read the summary can read it in the skill description, it's more useful to point out how it gives her a lot of cheese potential in high-end content and that the stun prevents her from taking damage by blocking enemies after the skill ends which paired with her higher-than-usual passive regen and other forms of healing gives her a much needed breathing time.

As a week 1 player, my perspective on the Arknight's tier list is that it worked up until a certain point in the game's lifecycle. During launch, if you didn't reroll for a SA or Ejya, you had to deal with the permanent account damage from building "worse" units that couldn't accomplish what those S tier units could. Also during that time, the overall distribution of operators did look more like a normal distribution so according to the logic of this video, the tier list was also pretty (mathematically) decent back then. However, as the game got more complex and more operators fulfilling different niches came out, the tier list became unessential and the game shifted to evaluating operators within their own niches and people's own team comps instead of a general tier list. For example, Blemishine compared to all the operators in the game probably is just an S- tier operator, but she is the only operator in her niche of allowing defensive recovery SP skills to recover offensively which opens the door to some strategies that wouldn't be possible otherwise without her. I think the value in the tier list now is comparing the versatility of operators compared to each other. In a vacuum, a higher tiered operator is more useful in a majority of the maps than a lower tiered one, so for any player looking for a useful tool they can bring in to any map, a higher tier operator is generally better than the rest. If you comprised a team of only EX and S+ tier operators, you could likely clear 99% of content in the game with ease, but that's not to say lower tier operators aren't less useful in certain maps or don't fit in your own specific strategy.

This was a well made video. Although I believe the purpose of tier lists was to make use of usage of operators in a general setting. In a vacuum, would a particular operator perform their job well? So of course the higher star operators, with higher base stats, would make up the higher tiers. Opinions on an operator's strength and role can change with time and with the release of future operators. But who knows, maybe there will be enough operators one day that a normal distribution can occur.

just wanted to let you know that this is a great video!!! I love these kinds of videos

It's always important to keep in mind that every tier list involving a large cast of characters is going to be biased in some way. People have their own preferences, ways of playing and priorities that might differ from other players. Nonetheless, it can be a useful tool, especially for newer players. Even if the information isn't fully accurate, it should give a decent picture of how units compare to each other and which ones to raise over others.

Gamepress analysis helped a great deal when forming my first core team

The one transgression I have against Gamepress is the comparison between Blemishine to Saria. Blemi is a 3 block guard that heals, Saria is a defender that can more reliably heal and can debuff enemies. Blemishine just doesn't adhere to the traditions of her class, opting for damage output while still healing remarkably well,

When they first added the EX tier, I felt like instead of adding a new tier to replace all the S++ and S+++ they had, it would've been better to just collapse one of the empty tiers and move everyone down a ranking. This was in part because I was worried they would eventually add an EX- and an EX + tier instead of just asking the hard question of "should we reorganize this" Fortunately, they haven't added EX- or EX+ yet

How do you only have 27 subs? have all my engagement and a sub for good measure. Very well put together video as well

The thing is, Arknights have the most variable character in any RPG games, each of them has their own niche and some of them also became a core in a gameplay impact sense, and there is literally a lot of way to solve each stage or event mission, what i love about Arknights tier list in gamepress are the way they make seperate category for each archetype

not the video that I expected but the video that I needed. Honestly it was pretty good and interesting!

Thank you for the video, it must have been a pesky work to tabulate this histogram. I think maybe it's more reasonable to fit the bell curve than to make it stretch over EX to E tier, which assumes the mean and standard deviation. This means that we can shift the bell curve slightly to the left, in which case the bell curve would fit pretty well.

I think another reason why people dislike GamePress tier list was because it was made a little bit too technical (and sometime stupid cons). When people like a unit too much, they try to use it in every stage, even if it doesn't work, they'll slam their head onto the wall until it does. Then, when they see GamePress tier list about their bias, sometime their bias got obliterate to a low tier because of their niche and weird usage or high requirement to perform decently, which they tend to ignore because it's... their bias, without a second thought, people start to use their knowledge about their bias which they have for using the operator for 2 decades and explain why the niche and weird usage can be fix by X or by Y team/synergy, AND when other people (who don't have the same bias as them) also disagree with their "explanation" like GamePress, they'll get very mad, and you know what people do when they're mad? They try to find a thing to blame their anger on, that's when they look at the root of the problems, GamePress. But maybe i'm just stupid and overthinking too much idrk, feel free to scream at me because of this.

Gonna be honest: The section around 7:20 to 7:45 was confusing. You were saying that it's really weird that these operators are on the same level, but I was confused as to which side do you think should be lower and which side should be higher. Next time you should explain it. (also Gamepress says that their grades are only between a branch, so things might look a bit weird if you compare between braches)

I think they did a pretty good job making the tier list

The thing with tier lists is that they are useful when you're a new player strapped on resources/you're just beginning to grasp the mechanics/avoid getting overwhelmed as you wrestle with the steep wall that nearly every gacha game tends to have for new players. I started around Stultifera Navis, and after actually playing and understanding the game nearly a year later, I'm almost certain there was no way in hell any account re-roll was going to help me clear that event. But unlike many other players whom when they started out rolled for units like SA, the account re-roll I ended up keeping had my favorite operator, who is also extremely meta: Bagpipe (she is absolutely a Valkyria Chronicles tribute in her design), and in that way, Bagpipe's never been the one unit to carry any sort of clear, but she definitely made the mid to late game progression of my account smoother having access to Flagpipe. If anything, the list should rather be focused on just that, teaching new players the best units to invest into early. Once players develop a feel for the game, they can then branch out into those niches they want and the value of the tier list drops.

I love that even blaze is a lock operator for my squad. She's like Thorns, very viable for general content. Need auto? S1, need afk? S2 is always a good option, burst out some damage? S3 is your answer. The Tier list did a good job over the time. It's definitely not and probably will never be perfect, but it's still a good thumb scaling method for newbie.

Most of the time I look at tier list just to see if my newly get 5 star oprt good but most of the time i skip 5 star oprt because the resource use almost same as 6 star.

What an amazing video. Arknights gamepress tier list is fantastic despite of some silly texts on the "cons" section of a unit. ( only block 1) - Well, that's the archetype so....

Understandable, reasonable, very visual. Good video.

You can't categorize the tierlist before trying many maps, for example the murtle only has a 4 star but is more useful and efficient than the 5 & 6 star flagbearer.

Using distribution to judge a tier list is dumb. There's no correlation between the distribution and quality. If I were to put Vigil in EX and Mlynar in E, that wouldn't change the distribution but it would definitely affect the quality of the tier list.

What a great video

the tier list isn't perfect, i don't think any tier list really ever will be, but it does give you a general idea of ops strengths and weaknesses which is very helpful.

I feel like you should ignore the operator that was given an E ranking, and plot a bell curve based on EX to D However, I feel like EX is not a "real" tier but rather means "unreasonably good", so within the EX tier you're not calling all the operators equally powerful; merely that they all meet some threshold of power that makes that game-breaking. Also, 7:31 that sounds quite reasonable tho...

Great video. I could tell when you broke it down by stars they did a much better job at keeping ratings even. It looks like they did a pretty good job overall at breaking down operators whereas most tierlists are just clickbait. I do wonder if they could add more nuance by scaling all the ratings down toward the almost unused e-tiers especially cause they could seemingly move most 1-3*s down there. Right now it just seems that for the higher star operators you're mid until proven otherwise so it might be useful to spread them out more.

I know many people hate on GamePress but I liked it as a noobie and I still like it after playing Arknights for a year and being a seasoned Doctor. The actual Tier might be off by a bit but the general assessment and relative comparison between each operator within their class is pretty good. But nothing horrible. And yes, it's a single player game. Just build whoever you want as long as you have a core team to help you get pass the stages. No point playing a game you cannot beat any stages on.

0 mention of the rating relative to their own archetype, why?

theres some validity in rating units on a binary, worth your mats, not worth your mats. Vanguards: myrtle and texas, both reasonably free, don't need more in this class, usually. if you do, fang and courier generally work. Guards/specialists/casters/snipers uhhhhhhhh thats nuanced. I generally split them into 'ground DPS, Ground arts DPS, and Ranged DPS/Ranged arts DPS.' which isn't a tier list so much as just math, whether or not it works, is a DPS check. Medics/defenders. this is the survival thing. most situations adding more DPS just fixes the issue, but in other cases some things want to be stalled to ...make things line up better. so ....we have units. DP generation, Myrtle, and texas. always enough. in some situations texas defense isn't enough for the early block 2 needs. but there are low cost guards and specialists that will add DPS to solve the issue. your issue then isn't DP generation, its DPS. DPS ground, now we got two types of DPS ground we got sustained, or at least high cycle, and we got burst. not going to even bother evaluating this, more DPS = more gooder. not even going to split it between arts/physical/true. instead we just go with expected DPS. OK. so lets take annihilation 3. lungman downtown. I played this map at a lower level. and we encounter issues, issues that are somewhat standard across the game. every 50 kills or so it adds a ballista that does 500 physical damage. which means we need heals to keep up or high enough defense to ignore it. we are covering 4 ground lanes and 2 air lanes so we need healing for those lanes. we got constant enemies coming in so we need enough sustained DPS to deal with constant enemies. and we got some heavy enemies coming in that we need 'burst' DPS for. and you watch it, and if you are dying, you need more healing or defense, and if you are not killing fast enough you need more Sustained DPS, and if you are having trouble with the heavies, you need more burst DPS. and that just covers the bulk of the units. oh I suppose there is also the skill issue for units where timing is especially important to get something to work or fail. and of course the various status effects and crowd controls. and situationally useful things. which should be evaluated on a situational basis.

I got 3 out of 5 gg's EX characters in my first 3 months of playing AK. I always got full medal every single event since then. GG is right. NB: Yato Alter is questionable though. GG said if her 3rd skill is her first mastery priority. While i found out her 2nd are got more benefit from masteries and far more easier to use.

Arknights tierlist don’t really work because all characters can be used to an extent, if the character can deal damage, they can be used to clear content (yes even frostleaf) and if they can’t, they can probably heal, and if lancet-2 can see sufficient usage, there’s no reason every other healer isn’t (except the deployment slot). You can look at the tierlist to see what is and isn’t better than something else, but it only really matters if you have to compare them (like if you have multiple of a niche or trying to budget pulls).

my reserve operator boys and girls carried me through the IS stages like a donkey with 4 lame feet, the fact that their commander(me) has half brain smooth half brain void doesn't help either lol

4:56 my poor man vigil QWQ

How can you disagree with Mountain negative lol? His S2 forces you to place him in the enemy face, unlike other guards, that you can put sideways and let defender tank the damage. Bruh

Why tier list Soo general. Why can't be specific. Like Integrated strategy tier list

Honestly, the bell curve kinda sucks as an idea because it would imply a game is balanced in such a way but what if a game is very well balanced? Do we have to force a decent character in a low tier because it's a little weaker than another? I'd say tier lists like the one gg strive players do are a better idea of what a list should be, it's a game where every character is pretty damn strong so they are usually ordered from S+ to B because there's no point in pretending even the weakest character are that weak even when compared to the top tiers

The best tier list for me is how often chars appear in afk guides and how irreplaceable they are

aah sorry for making a really long comment, i think this video is interesting, but i disagree with the conclusion and would like to explain why i think the point being made here is kind of moot, as tierlists following a normal distribution curve is not a result of planning and consideration, but more just human nature. i think most people when asked to make a tierlist would reserve top spots for only the most broken units, and the bottom ones for the least useful ones, while putting most operators closer to the middle. whether that be due to them thinking the operator is average compared to the rest of the roster, or simply not being opinionated enough to make strong judgments on thier kit. (personally my tierlist tend to be top-heavy, as i feel bad ranking units low, and i think the same sentiment is true for at least a few others) i also do not think statistics are the right tool to judging the quality/accuracy of a tierlist. it is an interesting and fun topic to explore, but not the right tool for the job in this case. simply put, a tierlist could be completely randomized within rarities, such as it still follows the general normal distribution curve to a degree, but who the units actually are is not taken into consideration. this way there could be a tierlist where vigil is in the top tier, but surtr is in the bottom tier in terms of 6*s only. if looking at it from a statistical perspective, one could arrive to the conclusion that the tierlist somewhat follows normal distribution and thus has to be accurate to some degree, but upon taking a closer look, it would be easy to realize the placements don't make any sense personally i don't think of the gamepress tierlist one way or the other, while i disagree with some of the placements and descriptions, there are others which i can agree with and understand the logic behind ultimately, the conclusion of a quality of a tierlist is just as subjective as the placements of units within it. points that we don't agree with and cannot understand, we see as incorrect, while ones we agree with and can follow the reasoning of are correct to us

TL;DR: -Tier list is pretty decent -We're only human -Things are just complicated

tier lists should not follow a normal distribution, but the strength distribution of the units. If you want a normal distribution tell that to the game developers, not to the fans making the tier lists. dont force it if it doesnt fit

My brain went poof

It's kind of shit, to be honest. One example. It says Hoshiguma's S3 is so much better than S2. But if you watch some strategies for high difficulty content every single one of them without exception uses Hoshi's S2. And there are a lot of others just like this.Off the top of my head, it says Ifrit's S3 is better because of the res shred but we all know S2 is better.

The gamepress tier list is best used when sorting by class/subclass imo. Like e.g I wouldn't put Dusk in S- if we're considering all the operators, but I'd say that's fair if we're only looking at AoE casters given the lower power level of those in general.

For me if you newbie just follow tier list, to those people who say just ignore it i will give middle finger to them. Newbie have limited resource, many of my friend quit ak at beginning because they follow waifu over meta and they either quit because always need low rarity guide or frustrating because how many effort to clear one stage or worse cant clear it at all

The comparisons to standard distributions make no sense. This is ordinal data. Standard distributions arise when metric variables have a tendency to a mean. The variance that arises causes the emergent normal distribution. it's an inherent property of that type of data. Tier lists are akin to a tournament ranking system, there are no assumptions of normality or central tendency. If you could quantify performance of operators, you could make these assumptions, like how you can quantify the speed of race cars. But a tier list is the equivalent of only looking at the places that the cars finished the race in.

I maintain that the biggest crime of the gamepress tier list is having Kirara at D tier. They wanna tell me that Kirara contributes the same to a team as Durin? Nahhhh, nearly-invincible true-aoe damage has more space than one would expect, provided you take a step down from the tippy top of the meta ops.

To me when I was asked Who should I level in Arknights for a new player This is what I say, Level all your 3 Stars and below to E1 Atleast since they're cheap and reliable After that Feel free to level whoever you want, You want to level Beehunter? Go knock yourself out.

I don't understand why Gamepress gets hate for their tier list. It is objective and factual. Operators are ranked among their peers, how good are the anti-air snipers amongst themselves, not versus entirely different archetypes. If I want to know which AA sniper to raise I look at that specific part of the tier list. I don't look at the entire tier list and go "oh, Surtr is very high, I should raise her to fulfil my AA sniper needs". They give reasonable explanations for their rankings and for 90% of people that is enough. The 10% may disgree because of technicalities or because their gameplay is so advanced that they can compensate or exploit specific weaknesses. Tier lists are not for those people, they know everything anyway and all their arguing about tier lists is basically dick measuring contests. I find myself disagreeing with GP sometimes nowadays, because I have gathered a lot of experience with AK over the years. When I started (about a year after launch) I was completely lost among hundreds of operators and if I didn't have their tier list I would have made mistakes. Heck, I still made mistakes because I thought I knew better and it turns out... I didn't. In conclusion, I think their tier list is great. It helps the average player to make informed decisions about operators and explains the reasoning to them so they can broaden their knowledge. It's not the absolute truth because there is none. That's all there is to it.

People can shit on GamePress's tierlists all they want, but it's consistent with the Max Risk CC clears from CN...

i am not convinced of the normally distributed tierlist argument lets say there are only 5 units and 5 tierlist ranks. to be normally distributed each one has to be in 1 rank. texalter Surtre 12F yato and a robot following the argument that it should be normally distributed would mean 1 unit in each rank (1:texalter 2:surtr,3:yato,4:12F,5:robot) but that isnt a good representation of the power of the units: clearly surtr is much better then yato yet the tierlist puts them close together. and texalter and surtr are similiar in power and should probably be both in the same tier. a tierlist should represent the actual performance ingame. and if that performance distirbution between all units in game isnt normally distributed and more units overperform thenw hy should we force a tierlist that is normally distributed?

No game has tier list, the tier list is only for reference

Why does a wiki write a tierlist tho

"Average 6* is in A+ tier" factoid is actually just a statistical error. Average 6* is S tier. Vigil, who lives in a mediocre niche and relies on a squishy summon is an outlier adn shouldn't be counted.

It is good

As a person who used the gamepress tierlist when I'm new, I would say that for a standard player(a player that doesn't do top tier strategy etc), it is rather accurate and the analysis is usually pretty good

Whatever any tierlist says,I like Goldenglow because her S3 is just like Panic Button.😂

Ngl, gamepress tier list so helpful for dumb me lol

I totally agree that tier lists should be gaussian.

Should tier lists be normally distributed? NO! I believe it incorrect to judge the quality of a tier list by its appearance as a normal distribution. Bell curves are natural while tier lists are unnatural, game balance has no reason to follow a normal distribution, and we don't even want tier lists to be bell curves in the first place! Bell curves aren't something that should be strived for or forced in a tier list setting, that isn't what bell curves are for. Normal distributions form naturally in data sets with random or semi-random variables. If we were to simulate certain types of data, particularly numbered data, using a normal distribution, we can expect a bell curve to form. If a bell curve doesn't form, we can expect that something is off with our data, maybe the data was manipulated, or maybe a Vigil- sorry, an outlier is causing the data to be skewed. However, video game characters and their balance state isn't necessarily random, and tiers in a tier list aren't numbers. These characters aren't creating by rolling two D6's, these are created by game developers and designers, with the goal of making a new, enticing, not necessarily balanced character, with the end goal of making more money. These characters' power levels aren't judged by an objective numerical score, they are judged by nerds at gamepress. The only element of randomness here is how well both sides do at their job, and while of course, sometimes the devs and nerds accidentally make and judge a character as too strong or too weak, we still shouldn't expect a game that regularly releases stronger and stronger characters over time to follow a normal distribution whatsoever. Lastly, wanting a games balance to follow a normal distribution is a bad idea. First of all, to get it out of the way, it is reasonably possible for game devs to force their game's character power levels to follow a normal distribution curve, by buffing and nerfing certain characters until it is achieved. Lets say this occurs, and in our tier list, we have 1 S tier, 4 A tiers, 11 B tiers, 11 C tiers, 4 D tiers, and 1 F tier. We did it, we have a normally distributed set of characters! This is not a good thing though!!! Our few top tiers are trampling everyone below, with our 5 high tiers dominating the meta, and the remaining 27 characters being hung out to dry. Even if we banned the top tiers, likely only the S tier, for the sake of fair play, the poor F tier and a few of the D tiers will still be totally outmatched in the meta. Hypothetically, if the master devs manage to make it such the the high tiers are only marginally better than mid tiers, and the low tiers only marginally worse than mid tiers, then we would technically have a bell curve of comically low variance, and this would be good, but it is an unrealistic goal that won't be achieved by a game designed to make money through the release of new, powerful characters. Also, if we were capable of achieving a borderline perfectly balanced game, then we are also likely capable of making the game perfectly balanced, leading to a game with one tier, which also isn't really a bell curve, and isn't really normally distributed, either. We are also assuming that S, A, B, C, D, and F tier are effectively numbers, equidistant from each other. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6th tier, or in your video, each of the 19 tiers is a number of 1, 2, 3, ..., 17, 18, and tier #19, but tiers aren't scores, or at least they aren't scores that are evenly spaced on a number line. While it may feel natural, many tier lists don't follow this format, and have no reason to. I could go on, but point being, to say a tier list is good *because* it follows a normal distribution is a claim that needs evidence to back it up, but it is lacking in evidence.

arknights every unit niche is complex it may need a lot seperate category their own niche tier list

Gamepress' Integrated Strategies tierlist doesn't even mention Schwarz, the queen of Integrated Strategies. No one else carries as hard as her in IS2 Hard Mode, and no one else except sometimes Pozy carries as hard as her in IS3 D15.

Heres my evaluation: Gamepress tierlist isnt perfect but its MUCH better than even the CN tierlists at this point (anyone that has any idea about CN tierlists knows howmuch of a meme they are) They evaluate their reasonings and dont just mindlessly give tiers based on CC performance wich is quite good in my opinion Is the tierlists Shafted/bad at times? Yes for exampke eunectes dropping a tier when she got a module was extremely weird Also its obvious that they forgot to change tiers of some characters biggest example being Phantom wich has fallen off quite hard already But for ANY pkayer this tierlist is perfectly sourceable and works pretty well in that regard The fact that they easily tell you pros and cons of characters alongside giving brief instructions for newbie players is an amazing addition Overall i give it 9.5/10 from value perspective But please dont forget that some of the authors tend to be REALLY biased about certain characters (for example creating the whole "dont pull for limited units every time" thing on Ling and even almost ranking her S)

Arknights fanbase is just hardcore

Operators rated low yet used in every difficult boss strat....... Hoshi and Shining. In fact in Trials of the Navigator#2, Hoshi was a must have operator.

Waifu over Meta

we have 7 ex now ;P

Blemishine being S- still hurts my soul, I mean that sword and shield talent alone make her viable option a lot of times

Winflit tier list (real) cute SSS+ garbage F-

I was told, the reason Arknights fandom wiki don't have a tier list is because: "The Tier List was removed not because many complaints about it, but because it was infeasible or even outright useless in the first place, since every Operator remain useful regardless of their rarity; even many operations can be cleared with low-rarity Operators so long as one knows what they are doing. Anyone who takes tier lists seriously, no offense, are nothing more than "meta slaves"; Arknights is a tower defence and strategy game, so raw stats alone does not mean that an Operator is strong or weak; it's how they were meant to be used." "The Tier List is not just infeasible to keep up to date and ""objectively"" correct, it's also utterly detrimental. New players will all too easily fall back on tier lists as a resource because they lack game knowledge, which will teach them all the wrong lessons and actively hinder them from improving at the game. We can't stop players from going to tier lists outside of the wiki, but we still have the responsibility to stop them from ruining their own enjoyment of the game by learning all the wrong lessons here." Unless money and time is not concern, I still like to hear someone convince me why a new players would be better served if he spent his time/money on pulling Phantom and E2 him and get his module instead of investing the same resources on Yato alter (or Texas alter). Without a tier list, how would someone not familiar with the operators would know any better? And tell the poor soul who bought into that, that his Phantom would make him enjoy the game better than Yato alter (or Texas alter) would.

The units you like and succeed with are S+ Tier lists are nice to look at but with this game you can play anything, provably even vigil if that is what you like.

tacticalbreakfast is full of it, the sad truth of it is CN players and theorycrafting groups define the meta, EN/global players pale in comparison, tacticalbreakfast included

Okay 10 minutes of wasted time

its bad ok bye