How Good Was PRIME Dominic Thiem Actually?

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How Good Was PRIME Dominic Thiem Actually?
He was once one of tennis’ rising superstars ready to take over, but then injuries and mental issues plagued Dominic and his career. But fans all around the world want to know..
JUST HOW GOOD WAS PRIME THIEM ACTUALLY? Lemme give you a hint, probably better than you remember.
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@mithunnocommentry3067 Жыл бұрын

1st comment pin please but anyways my favorite tennis channel 🎉

@SkySushii Жыл бұрын

His record against the Big 3 was even better if looking only at Thiem's "prime years" From 2018-20, he was 4-4 vs Nadal 4-2 vs Djokovic and 3-1 vs Federer Ofc the Big 3 were all over 30 by then, but it's still some achievement that the other young players of the time can't boast

@ghostdog_ninja Жыл бұрын

my words because until now, nobody managed to do that. Not even Meddy or TsiTsi

@minisurfbanana Жыл бұрын

Yea his record against the big 3 would have altered the Major numbers for sure for more so Djoker not Nadal at the French!

@anseinueseima408 11 ай бұрын

@@ghostdog_ninja Not even Alcaraz, oh yeah, he doesnt have the chance to play Fed as well

@NightLife094 11 ай бұрын

Honestly, the argument big 3 are/were over 30 is invalid. Look at nole being 36. he is a beast, physically and mentally. If someone beats him now, you cannot say it is because he is old

@ghostdog_ninja 11 ай бұрын

@@NightLife094 absolutely noty he plays amazing tennis and looks super fit!!

@maximesteinebrunner9941 Жыл бұрын

Thiem could have been THE big contender against Novak nowadays but he was just so unlucky with the injuries

@Zoey-te9ln Ай бұрын

Self-inflicted, his own fault and he rejected surgery so all his fault. who cares

@a_goblue2023 Жыл бұрын

His match ve Nole at the ATP finals was some of the highest quality tennis I had ever watched. He hit Nole off the court, it was incredible

@ghostdog_ninja Жыл бұрын

1000% yesss! I think the same way!

@cyriljacob4839 Жыл бұрын

Haha losers. Now he isn't anywhere near. And Nole is on top of the world. Goat for ever. Fedals get lost.

@malekat8539 Жыл бұрын

I believe the 2018 US Open QF against Rafael Nadal was the highest level of tennis Thiem played, especially playing a high level for 5 complete sets

@Armytankbowen Жыл бұрын

@@malekat8539 scary he lost that too. Same with verdasco in the 2009 Aussie semis. Guys played their best ever matches and still lost; crazy

@AlmirSevero1 Жыл бұрын

I hope he still can bounce back. I love the guy’s game

@ztherex5991 8 ай бұрын

One of my favorite players ever.

@J_NoNamesLeft73 11 ай бұрын

Prime Thiem's achievements: In a stretch of 5 meetings vs Nole, Thiem won 4. Included: -A 5th set 7-5 win vs Nole (how often does Nole lose close 5th sets?) Ya that was huge for Domi. In a stretch of 21 slam semis played, that is the only one Novak has lost since Nishikori's major upset at USO 2014. -A final set tiebreak win from a DOUBLE MINIBREAK DOWN. -Bagelled Novak at FO 2017 (Nole wasnt 100% but even then he still normally finds a way, yet Domi BAGELLED Nole at a SLAM. When was the last time someone did that before FO 2017? Then led Djokovic 2 sets to 1 in the AO 2020 final. Couldnt get it done but rare to see Nole lose sets in AO SF + F. And thiem won 2 sets there. And then again ATP finals with no crowd help he beats Djokovic from 0-4 down in the deciding set tiebreak after blowing 4 match points in the 2nd set. Crazy mental effort against the greatest frontrunner + mental warrior in the history of tennis. Beat Nadal once every year on clay from 2016-2019. Also 2 wins vs Rafa in 2020. AO and ATP finals. Perfect 5-0 in tiebreaks vs Rafa in 2020. Thiem was 7-2 in tiebreaks vs Nadal overall. The 2 losses, Madrid 2017 final 1st set and USO 2018 5th set tiebreak in the QF. Domi went 3-0 vs Federer in 2019. Overall Domi led that h2h 5-2. Beat Roger on ALL THREE surfaces. He never beat a big 3 guy in a slam final but he got a well earned slam title in 2020. It wasnt a big 3 opponent but he did it from 2 sets down with no crowd. Remarkable mental effort to come through that final. A bit lucky that Novak did beat himself a week earlier, but Domi really deserved that USO title. Prime Thiem was really really good. A real shame he isnt what he was in 2016-2020. And it looks more and more likely he will never reach that level again. Just doesn't have it mentally anymore and showing no signs he will get back there.

@Bowl849 11 ай бұрын

He also bageled Nadal on a hardcourt once during the US open, but I don’t think he won the match

@J_NoNamesLeft73 11 ай бұрын

@@Bowl849 Yup, 2018. Thiem won the first set 6-0. Nadal only won 7 points in the whole set. Took a lion hearted effort for Nadal to come back and take down Thiem, in the end 7-5 in the fifth and that left him so drained that despite two full days of rest between that epic QF and his SF with Del Potro, his body was not able to recover in time and Nadal retired injured down 2 sets to 0 and didnt play the rest of the year. But thats how good Thiem was in 2017-20. Was able to beat and challenge the big 3 at slams. Even when he lost, many of those matches were really close. Not to mention winning final set tiebreaks from Djokovic from a DOUBLE minibreak down...who else has ever done that vs Djokovic? No one that I can think of. Oh ya, Thiem did that not once but TWICE.

@ominoserzuschauer6286 11 ай бұрын

Honestly I still haven't given up hope yet. Thiem always had some concentration issues every now and then. Sometimes he lacked motivation or commitment or was just off somehow, even in his prime. For example he lost in the 1st round of the Cincinnati Masters (which where played in NY that year) right before he went on to win teh USO. And it was a dreadful performance. So it's not out of characters for him to lose i strange and unconvincing ways, like he does now often. I think what he really needs is a BIG win against a BIG player. He came close twice against Tsitsipas this season. Who knows what could have happened already this season if he had pulled through in one of them. Or even better would be if he wins a title. I think he just needs to recapture that winning feeling to remind him of what a player he used to be and how that feels. I still believe he has it in him, but I think it should happen this season...

@djordjelezajic8435 11 ай бұрын

No23VAK was disqualified because he hit the line person, and Dominick Them won that USO title.You claim that he " deserved" that title, and I would like to have seen him " earn" that title in a match vs.Djokovic.Since Thiem won that USO title, I am not sure he won another one , and he is not a young kid anymore.

@chipthepark10 11 ай бұрын

I'm wondering why you didnt mention his 2017 US Open match with Del Potro or his 2018 Us Open match with Nadal. Those two matches to me were the most telling that Thiem was a serious threat on hardcourt. Those two matches were absolute block busters and the power Thiem was producing was out of this world. Thiem is the reason I decided to switch to a one handed backhand at 21 and it was one of the best decisions in my tennis career

@JohanRfrlhs 6 ай бұрын

Career ?

@VARMOT123 Жыл бұрын

Thiem not winning a roland garrosor even a masters 1000 would be travesty considering how an unbelievable clay courter he wqs

@gowzahr Жыл бұрын

Between tennis being moved to cabel TV (in the US at least) and going off to college and grad school, I didn't watch any tennis from 2008-2021. When I discovered Tennis TV on KZfaq, I fell in love with Thiem's game. It's just sad that I feel like I missed his entire career.

@fifaisthebest4382 Жыл бұрын

My favourite player. His backhand was something else

@MorePara8 11 ай бұрын

I'd love to have him back... talented and humble, that's Domi!!

@Mzee1084 11 ай бұрын

Nice video. Was a little surprised that you didn't mention his change in coaches to Nicolas Massu in 2019, which played a key role to performing better on hard and grass courts. Working under Massu is where he changed his forehand a lot by drastically shortening his backswing helping him take the ball earlier, which was very helpful particularly on grass and hard court, but it also helped on clay. I was very excited for him when he won his grand slam, but sadly injuries started piling up, and he began to struggle with his passion for the game.

@ghostdog_ninja Жыл бұрын

He created some of the most exciting hits, tennis and matches for the tennis history. for real!!

@joseaugustine5348 21 күн бұрын

Dominic is one of my most favourite and it's a delight to watch him play. He came up at a time when he had to confront grandmasters like Roger, Rafael and Novak yet left an indelible mark in tennis history. I am, for one , deeply disappointed over his injuries. Good luck for now but come back again. You are still too young Dominic. I am from India but my son lives in Vienna and look forward to meet you one day.

@janhunger300 Жыл бұрын

The match between Rafa and Dominic wasn't in the final of the Barcelona open 2019, it was in the semis👀

@sergioescobar4524 Жыл бұрын

This sounds like it was written by chatgpt lol

@Courtside_Tennis Жыл бұрын

Thanks lol 😆

@regi40933 Жыл бұрын

How did he never won masters clay, but Zverev , Stef, Med and Rublev did

@lawrencemonsieur2627 Жыл бұрын

How can this guy be prince of Clay without a masters 1000 or RG title? Given, he was a good player. However, most of his success came on hardcourts.

@randomcon123 Жыл бұрын

He did beat Nadal on clay for three or four years in a row… don’t think too many people have managed this

@HBK492 Жыл бұрын

@@randomcon123nly Djokovic outside of Thiem beat Rafa 4 years in row. Thiem in fact has the second most wins against Rafa of all time, beating him once every year between 2016 and 2019.

@Tubais01 Жыл бұрын

People nicknamed him that because he went head to head with Nadal at clay, which has never been done by anyone before, in rafa’s 15 year career. Apart from that, he also had 2 Roland garros finals, which he lost to rada

@rizz208 Жыл бұрын

@@randomcon123 warra trophy

@diegosotomiranda4107 Жыл бұрын

@@HBK492tbh that tittle is mislesding, ofc Nadal it's the greatest Clay courter ever bit at the same time se forget that no matter how good or Bad a player is theres Match ups, and Thiem just happens to be a good Match up against Rafa an ld being a good claycourter and hys style or play it' make him look Even better than he was, Thiem it's like a more consistent Wawrinka without the period of brilliance that the former had, thats why being more prominent on tournaments overall, never was close to a Big tittle against the Best players, while wawrinka could have periods of mediocrity and early looses to do Masters finals or even winning gs, cause his styla was too grindy physically, never we would SEE his Best versión on semis or finals, cause he usually drained himself before that

@MrJayb76 11 ай бұрын

His bh is poetry in motion.

@mymama12314 2 ай бұрын

Thiem and Federer were my favourite players on tour back in the day. I was incredibly torn back at that Indian Wells final and I thought it would be a passing-of-guard of sorts. Unfortunately, Thiem has been plagued with injuries. One interesting thing I noticed when he started finding more success on hard courts was his increased aggressiveness on the surface. He stood wayyyyy closer to the baseline and took shots very very early. He lost some matches due to the number of errors he was making. But when he was on, he was ON. Really like his honesty and self-assessment off the court too.

@fluquorsurtr2999 Жыл бұрын

As someone who played table tennis, basketball, and fps games and now plays tennis, hitting a more than 45 degree wrist angle parallel to the body puts too much recoil on the wrist, furthermore if you are used to put more force on the wrist to generate more spin. It is insane how it hurts.

@anthony90123 11 ай бұрын

Thiem’s two wins over Djokovic in successive ATP Finals were extra impressive

@SadafanaIqra Жыл бұрын

Thiem please see this video and come back your old form....tennis need you.wish you good luck.

@Dennis-highlights 11 ай бұрын

Everyone says Double handed backhand does better with high balls with one hander, but in the video he says that Thiem's coach suggested him that it's better for him to use one hander to deal with high ball rather than two hander, Thiem's match with Nadal on Clay does show that he is not phased almost at all with Nadal's heavy spin

@shiftt. Жыл бұрын

Thiem was a beast and that cannot be erased, even if he doesn't come back. On Clay, after Nadal i believe Djokovic would come in second, since he won 3 RGs, multiple masters 1000s and only didn't win more because of Nadal.

@brianpun8028 Жыл бұрын

How good was Maria Sharapova or Justine Henin? What is her story growing up to the end of her tennis career? Her goals in the next five to ten years? It will be great if you could score a live interview with both or either one of them, always best if the story is told by the players themselves. Which of the two has a more successful tennis career?

@noahchan1561 Жыл бұрын

henin

@oleksandryablonskyy 6 ай бұрын

Well, he is still good. This kid has a bright future. Love his one handed backhand

@jimnosnow4484 Жыл бұрын

He has the best record ever against the big 3

@timogede5321 3 ай бұрын

played him in 2009. absurd playstyle with rockets you have not seen before but also rockets flying over the fence.

@yanair2091 Жыл бұрын

Lol @ 3:08 he says "Marko KETCH-i-NATO" :) , instead of Check-inato.

@rishi11514 7 ай бұрын

Who do you think is more unlucky, theim or del portro

@srimulia7929 Жыл бұрын

No doubt Thiem was a good during his prime days...Injuries has made it extra difficult...Hope he can get out of these obstacles soon...

@OriginalKarasu Жыл бұрын

thiem record vs rafa, novak, roger and andy speak for itself. there are great players like gael monfils that have only beaten one of them guys once or zero, and lot to them like 15-20 times

@djordjelezajic8435 11 ай бұрын

The most wins vs. Rafa on clay: - Djokovic 8 - Thiem 4 - Fognini 3

@RAgarwal57 11 ай бұрын

He qualified for the ATP finals in 2016. You even have a clip of it. And then you said he qualified for the first time in 2018

@funnyduck4568 11 ай бұрын

this sounds like chatgpt wrote the script

@Armytankbowen Жыл бұрын

Thiem has a career head to head of 5-7 against Novak 6-9 against Rafa 5-2 against Federer Dude has a combined record of 16-18 against the big 3 and only won 1 major (and he was lucky to get that one). Poor guy.

@Sergio_Gonzales6 Жыл бұрын

Lucky?

@kakashihatake1029 Жыл бұрын

@Sergio_Gonzales6 yes quite lucky. Terrible performance in the final but was lucky he faced the one guy who had a major serve issue at the time

@funnyduck4568 11 ай бұрын

@@Sergio_Gonzales6 very lol did u not watch it?

@EliasPfaiffer Жыл бұрын

He's my all time favorite player!!

@king.z702 Ай бұрын

Whos here after retirement

@ribtickle4143 Жыл бұрын

Without his wrist betraying him, I think Domi would have been the replacement Federer pretty much, and would have won quite a few more slams. I'm too sad to watch him nowadays.

@diegosotomiranda4107 Жыл бұрын

Not Even close, appart from the one handed backhands his style it's nowhere close to Federer, they are just different type of players, Thiem needs to grind and being physically a beast if he wants to play his Best, and spent too much time on court on every point

@kakashihatake1029 Жыл бұрын

Unbelievable that people can overrate someone this much. If he had a few masters at least you could say this. He has 1 masters title man

@Mzee1084 11 ай бұрын

@@kakashihatake1029 Before the injury bug caught him it really did look like he was going to dominate more and take over from the big 3 as they were getting old. Nadal even said if I remember correctly that he was the 2nd best in the world on clay getting to 2 finals in a row at Roland Garros. A lot of players never achieved more during those years due to the big 3 winning almost all the masters and grand slams. Thiem was developing into a more well rounded player so he wasn't all about redlining every shot so he really did seem to have a great career ahead of him.

@Paperbagman555 Жыл бұрын

I like your vids but you need to work on your delivery a bit, sounds very robotic and read from a script

@tomas5495 7 ай бұрын

Alcaraz rise would've been a lot slower if prime thiem was still around

@mohammadquttaineh3420 Жыл бұрын

he was so so so good

@brianliu9089 Жыл бұрын

Take French open for example, everybody thought Alcaraz could take down djokovic this year, but he barely completed the match, djokovic for many years was the absolute second best clay court player just below nadal. But when thiem at his prime, he lost to thiem in a five setter in 2019 semi final, and I don’t think 2023 djokovic is better than 2019 djokovic. Which means thiem is at least as good as djokovic on clay and better than Alvarez. And on Australian open, djokovic beat every opponent easily in three sets during the final since 2019 except for 2020 which he was pushed to five set by thiem, something only nadal did in 2012, and thiem was the only one who had a 2:1 lead against djokovic . Also, If I remember correctly, djokovic has never lost any five setter since 2018 except 2019 rg semi

@kakashihatake1029 Жыл бұрын

Using 1 match per surface to prove a point never works. On clay your point stands because there are more matches that support your arguement. But he was only up there at Roland Garros tbh. Elsewhere in masters he was subpar

@OriginalKarasu Жыл бұрын

bruhhhh.... thiem is a foking beast! this guy record vs roger, rafa, novak and andy is increadible!!! although he has a negative record vs them, he has beaten them multiple times. not many player can say that theyve beaten these legends multiple times. there are players like gael for example that has a record of 0-19 vs novak, never beaten him, the same cannot be said about dominic. fok injuries man! if he didnt have them he couldve easily gotten like 8-10 slams :/

@tristanmartinez175 Жыл бұрын

@@virat5828shut up

@OriginalKarasu Жыл бұрын

@@virat5828 overrated? bruhhhh thiem is a beast. he can win vs anyone, not many players have that ability.

@davidschauer5996 Ай бұрын

his forehand technique probably led to his wrist injury.

@imomaxi5190 11 ай бұрын

bro he qualed 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 for the finals what are you talking abt?

@boriskostic6964 10 ай бұрын

Thiem played Nadal in 2019 Barcelona semifinal not final

@sethsomers603 11 ай бұрын

He beat rafa in Rome 2017 and he made RG semi's on 2016

@baconisgood4me746 Жыл бұрын

Dominic Thiem was like Andy Murray. Only guy who can upset Novak Djokovic at gs. Really good tennis player

@kakashihatake1029 Жыл бұрын

Umm

@joaodias2003 Жыл бұрын

This videos narration is kinda weird can’t quite put my finger on it. But something ain’t right

@rogier1016 Жыл бұрын

If I were to believe the comments below, this guy was the real GOAT since he has this record against the Big 3? For real folks, get a grip on reality. Rewriting history is all the rage but actually writing history like Novak takes time, effort, determination and taking care of your body and mind.

@TuanAnhPham-rf6id Ай бұрын

Thiem's playing style is very much physical demanding that would cost him his body injuried. If he constructed his points more wisely, his career would surely last longer

@mdshoeb3017 Жыл бұрын

Is he retired?

@SIMOLAMBOTZ Жыл бұрын

No but he's struggling to find a high level of tennis after his 2021 injury

@kakashihatake1029 Жыл бұрын

@virat5828 in 2018 and some of 2019 yes. 2020 was good but tbh I don't think he would've kept it up even without injury

@Mzee1084 11 ай бұрын

@@kakashihatake1029 Yeah, hard to say, but motivation issues likely would have still been something he would struggle with.

@anseinueseima408 11 ай бұрын

We would never talk about something like Djokovic winning 24 if Thiem is still there, at his prime he is what we truely expect from the next gen

@benkostka6240 Жыл бұрын

why is the guy repeating the same facts over and over… in general good video but a bit confusion repetition

@cameronearls6497 Жыл бұрын

If I had to put players into tiers, Tier 1 would be Fed/Nadal/Djokovic. Tier 2 is Wawrinka/Murray/. Tier 3 is Alcaraz, Thiem, Medvedev, Cilic, and Del Potro, and then everyone else is below all these guys. So yes, he was a great player, but I think he was a little overrated. He never won an m1000 or RG and clay was his best surface.

@ROCKSTAR3291 Жыл бұрын

he won Indian Wells 19

@kakashihatake1029 Жыл бұрын

Crazy not to put Zverev in tier 3 when he won multiple masters titles and 2 world tour finals. Could even include his Olympic gold though it is less relevant. Also Med should be tier 2

@BrandoN-ie1np Жыл бұрын

The Prince of Clay still the second best ever player on Clay

@Divvy21 Жыл бұрын

@@virat5828 even though the original comment was ridiculous, he also inadvertently put thiem over Borg lol

@boriskostic6964 10 ай бұрын

Dominic Thiem was a nightmare for Djokovic and I'm glad he's off his prime

@poten.nis0409 Жыл бұрын

Injury is bad T.T

@alextabet9247 Жыл бұрын

Novak is the Prince of clay, not Dominic. How many How many Big Titles has each of them won on clay? Monte Carlo: Novak 2 Dominic 0 Madrid: Novak 3 Dominic 0 Rome: Novak 6 Dominic 0 Roland Garros: Novak 3 Dominic 0 TOTAL: Novak 14 Dominic 0 Some will argue that Dominic was only 26 years old when his injuries derailed his career. Novak had already won one Monte Carlo title, 1 Madrid title and 2 Rome titles by the time he was 26,

@kakashihatake1029 Жыл бұрын

Djokovic isn't the prince of clay because he's not a successor. He is the only guy that could put up a fight against the king of clay.

@Divvy21 11 ай бұрын

@@kakashihatake1029 very well written

@aarinhegde6083 11 ай бұрын

Dude prince literally means successor to king? So u think nole is a successor of rafa?🤣🤡🤡ok as you wish

@alextabet9247 11 ай бұрын

@@aarinhegde6083 Certainly more so than Thiem. He has won 2 of the last 3 French Open titles, and he could win another. Sounds like successor to me.

@Divvy21 11 ай бұрын

@@alextabet9247 Novak is the same generation as Rafa. You can’t be a successor of the same generation

@poyu9940 Жыл бұрын

I reckon Thiems gonna come back stronger

@johnschrader8363 Жыл бұрын

no he's not

@Courtside_Tennis Жыл бұрын

The world may never know

@ribtickle4143 Жыл бұрын

:D :D :D

@SIMOLAMBOTZ Жыл бұрын

Stronger is impossible 😂

@minisurfbanana Жыл бұрын

@@virat5828jow can that be a fluke win when he was in the finals in paris twice🤡🤡🤡🤡

@tolendoi123 Жыл бұрын

Good player, but not the prince of clay.

@federicotown8052 Жыл бұрын

So sad

@brandonm8901 Жыл бұрын

"Prince of Clay" has no big clay titles. Zverev has 3, Tsitsipas and Alcaraz have 2, Fognini, Rublev and Medvedev all have 1. Thiem padded his record playing irrelevant 250s and 500s. He's no better than Ruud on the surface

@kakashihatake1029 Жыл бұрын

Sadly kinda true. He's good but I'd honestly put Zverev above him overall. Same with Medvedev ofc

@aarinhegde6083 11 ай бұрын

How many times these guys defeated nadal on clay?🤡dude has defeated nadal 4 times on clay (second after novak) has made RG SF 4 times in a row along with 2 consecutive finals losing both to nadal and also has defeated nole twice in roland garros . Which of the above mentioned player have done this?😂for that reason he is the prince of clay 😏

@brandonm8901 11 ай бұрын

@@aarinhegde6083 Well Djokovic himself is clearly far better on clay as described by yourself by H2H against Nadal and RG consecutive finals. H2H can be misleading as players match up differently and play each other at different times. I think Thiem was quite fortunate with when he was playing well as it coincided with Djokovic and Nadal being out of form. Thiem is never beating pre-2015 Nadal or 2011-2016 Djokovic on Clay. For Roland Garros win rate (so H2H against all players) Thiem is 35th all time and 9th of all time, behind Khachanov! With regards to Roland Garros SFs and Fs, he has the same Fs as Wawrinka and Ruud, with Ruud also making 2 in a row, and Stan actually winning one of his! Murray also has more SFs than Thiem, also making 4 in a row. As I said Thiem has no big tournaments on Clay, even playing many with Nadal not being there. His record at the big tournaments do not stand out, he can only compete at 250s and 500s (and not even Challengers at the moment, has competed in 3 clay Challengers this year and is 3-5)