There wouldn’t have been a conversation

You Mean Discipline

but he didn’t

He would be the goat

Facts

No that's Chuck.

Hahaha

Because some overrated french cotton ball from Utah tweeted something about locking up shaq.

"Google me, Chuck"

@@Ivander85 "i got 4 RINGS, Chuck"

Four rings. He underarchived???

@@douglaskiambi1785 compared to what could have been ? Then yes he did. It’s really wild to believe but everyone knows if he had a better work ethic he could been even in the Goat conversation.

@@belalajjaj5718 You are right

@@douglaskiambi1785 yeah Shaq could’ve easily had 5-7 rings and multiple MVPs had he stayed in shape and a strong mentality to win like Kobe

​@@ciaranryan3652 to win like Kobe? Kobe lost four times as the favorite, not even making the finals two of those year. All because he didn't understand how to utilize his teammates, especially Shaq.

One in a lifetime genetics and actual bball IQ. But he did work hard. Maybe not as much as Kobe or MJ or even other top NBA all time players but he did work.

@@zpacify I know that Shaq worked hard. That's why I said "questionable work ethic" and not "no work ethic." He could've worked even harder.

@@zpacify this. i'm sure its not like he was a couch potato every day but it always seemed like he just used the regular season to bring himself into shape lol. the guy also had incredible bball IQ as you mentioned and for his size the guy was so fast. still remember watching him on the lakers on my shitty ass early 2000 TV, and i was amazed as a kid just how fast he could maneuver around the court. seemed way faster than any big man.

Anyone could become a superstar with genetics like his

He has the best genetics of anyone I've ever seen, it's all luck

straight fax

Ben Simmons had better 3 year stretch 2021-2024

@@ogbighomie9738 10000x times the cash for .0000001x the effort

THE best

that was not heat just the same two bars basically

@@tmlconfirmed5784 it was better than "you'll ever be"

@@edvinstpaul8888 I feel like people i know could come up with something better

mohammad ali came up with "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee"

And he quoted that

Such a good line

In their prime… right?.

@@arielbaez671 Yes. Remember Wilt's track exploits in HS and at Kansas. Both at Wilt's prime facing Shaq at his prime then , or facing him at both their primes in the 90's, I'm assuming they train to their physical and footwork/court awareness limits. Those limits would be different in different eras, but if Shaq had been in his usual mediocre shape, save that one year mentioned by Pat Reily, Wilt would have run him off the floor. With all else being equal, peak to peak, Wilt would have the physical edge, but Shaq would work till he dropped against that challenge.

Wilt was also super dense muscle fibers so he was as strong as a much stockier man than what he appeared. The stories of him easily lifting hundreds of pounds with one hand

​@@Thehomelessathlete against white boiz yes... he wasnt winning much against boston... bill held him good, he might won a few possession but wilt didnt win the game, bill might not be as fast and strong of prime shaq but he held wilt with 215lbs lean body frame and 6'9 height. i think people tend to exaggerated things...especially on the era where foottage got weird framerate and black and white color... he might dominate that time but today he will struggle, so is bill russell. Wilt will be neutralize by the 3pt game nowadays, he might have way less rebound today and probably struggle on shooting as well, same with all big guy problem. Wilt is one of worst foul shooter of all time, he probably average like rodman nowdays but no more 50rpg, he will be called 3 sec for laying eggs

wilt woulda dominate ngl

😂

Lol

Njjk

90

I mean tbf Shaq is 50 as well

This was also in the East, during years where like 32 wins got a team in the POs. People who didnt watch these years tend to rely on stats and they ignore how impactful Shaq was even if his scoring went down to 20ppg. They also tend to not understand that this decline was merely a stat decline due to minutes, not a decline in capabilities or skill. The year the Heat won the title, Shaq was playing nearly 8MPG less than his last finals appearance with the Lakers. And this is because of another thing people ignore, we saw possibly the single most dominant and impressive center 1st/2nd string combo in NBA history with Shaq and Zo. That said, we also cannot ignore or forget that under oath, multiple refs (with Tim Dognaughty sp? being the biggest whistle blower) did testify to the NBA instructing them to extend that series, which one could very easily argue lead to the Mavericks losing. I cannot remember if Tim said that this was also one of the series that he reffed game's that he helped rig his mob connections.

Yea but if Shaq had that work ethic then 3 players wouldn't be able to stop him

Shaq was not a passer, he usually got the ball at the paint and dunked, so your point is moot

@@jhonnycaicedo5647 I don't think you can read but ill give you the benefit of the doubt

did you even watch him play with kobe while they were on good teams? shaq would throw him no look passes and alley oops, he was a solid passer at least for a center, definitely above average.

Shaq was an allstar with the suns averaging 17p and 9r... Prime Pau Gasol who saved kobe in the 2010 finals also averaged 17p and 9r and was "best big man in the league".... Youngsters and retarded kobe fans underestimate him so bad

Seven seconds or Shaq...

Son if you dared wore those sneakers at any of my schools you would of been roasted brutally 😂🤣and you can say goodbye to women

I dont think you'll get roasted for wearing Shaqnosis or Shaq Attaq. the non-reebok dunk man shoes, probably. its catered to the less fortunate.

@@derrickhizon8535 Yeah well them are pretty much just Reebok shoes his logo not really on them, his shoes alone is bad I'm telling you bro from experience luckily I can just laugh about it now😅

Wilt chamberlain Bill Russel Shaquille O'Neal David Robinson Hakeem olajuwon Kareem Abdul jabbar

@@ryuujitokisaki6120 You forgot Kareem! Replace Robinson with Kareem and you have my 5!

@@yezzir8929 fr how do you get Kareem 😂

@@ryuujitokisaki6120 where tf is Kareem? He’s literally the greatest center of all time

@@jollfamily4379 Hakeem's better than the Admiral too. See what he did to him in the WCF when they played each other. Not to mention he swept young Shaq for one of his titles and out dueled Patrick for the other one.

Loved that movie u forget Eric Montross's white ass lol

@@ericgarringer6911 Lol, Yeah Eric "Big Grits" Montross, you're right

Lol............ " Ah the memories......"

and Dennis Rodman laughs

@@Onthe6lock Rodman indeed was a beast and stopped Shaq. But that Shaq was still very young. Watching prime Shaq against prime Rodman would be an awesome treat.

@@istvanbus5021 orlando shaq was more faster than his Prime but lakers shaq was his prime

Did you say divac? U lost ur mind.

@@istvanbus5021 I hate the stupid narrative that Rodman could guard Shaq. Shaq had one bad game against Rodman in his rookie year where he only put up 7 points on 18% FG. Overall he averaged 27 and 13 on 54% shooting against Rodman, including a game (also in his rookie year) where he had 46 points, 21 rebounds, and 5 blocks on 76% from the field. Rodman had one lucky game where he hacked hell out of a rookie Shaq, got away with it, and Shaq mental boomed to have the worst game of his career. No one could stop Shaq.

Just imagine if 20million other people hadnt already said that

a shaq who stayed in shape and practiced free throws would be unstoppable.

Most dominant big men duo of all time by far

@@allthingsfitness3957 They would be a great duo, Webber was a good mid range shooter and a very good passer, he would get Shaq a working space.

Shaq and Penny was a better duo, since it was inside and outside. Plus, the Magic got Horace Grant, so they still had a great C-PF duo. That Magic team could've been a a dynasty if Shaq didn't leave, and Penny didn't get hurt.

@@allthingsfitness3957 nah

@@serge014 coulda woulda shoulda. Blah blah blah

Also the G96 Classification, let's not forget that

Shaq was out of shape yet still carried kobe who was outplayed by j rose, miller, Iverson, rip hamilton and j kidd

fuck that. fuck kobe. Shaq dominating without the bullshit holier than thou kobe attitude.

If he had Kobe's work ethic then he would be the goat, no conversation. Kobe event said it during an interview.

why?

"Not Christian Lattener, Not Alonzo Mourning"

Nioce.💯🤣

Thank god you didn't forget the second "r"... 😳

If Ben Wallace Can GOBERT Can too

That bum gobert can't even lock-up guys like Embiid and Jokic. Shaq at his prime or at his worst would destroy that french clown

Ben Wallace was a monster though, dude could bench 450 in his prime

@@chrismendez1770 gobert vs Wallace it ain't even close

@@chrismendez1770 lmfao Ben wallace easly handle soft ass gobert. dude got no chance against ben or shaq. all talk

He is in the top 5 convo tho, he could go as high as 3 if you value peak significantly more than longevity.

Not even bro… You had Wilt, LeBron, MJ, and Curry and this year Jokic played better than Shaq ever did… If you mean peak as in 1-3 years all those players did better, now in the playoffs it’d be a different story… Shaq is probably the best center and one of the best players in the playoffs ever… 2016 Cavs LeBron and basically any middle to late 90s Jordan were the only contenders.

Curry is better than Shaq longevity and peak too

@@MoneyDeathMoneyGaming curry’s peak isn’t close to shaqs

@@MedBeMovin Debatable, they’re different types of players but Curry is way more skilled, you’d rather have Curry than Shaq in this league tbh.

Shaq is the most dominant player ever I like wilt but he played in a time where someone his size could dominate with absolutely no difficulty, if Kareem or Shaq played then they would score just the same if not more with there playstyle

Shaq's worth less than half of Lebron

Jesus if prime Shaq was in the 1960’s he’d be like a bus getting to the basket mowing everyone down on his way.

I'd say he's more dominant than Wilt. This isn't Wilt's fault but he played in a league with only like 8-10 teams, and during his historical scoring seasons, he would average close to 40 shots a game. If you gave Shaq those number of shots, he would've also had historical scoring seasons as well.

@@mithunanilangainathan8103 less teams mean more competitive if there were 10 teams and talent was distributed equally every team would have at least 2 and some 3 all stars with a 30 team league like today at if the league was distributed equally 1 each. It's not the celtics fault they knew who to draft.

fax

I remember Shaq from when I was younger and he could barely ever hit a free throw.. the best option for blocking his points was not to guard him just foul him..

@@B5152g yup. They called it the Hack-A-Shaw defense. If memory serves they changed the rules so that if a player is fouled in the last two (?) Minutes of the game a different player gets to shoot the free throws.

it would be wayne greatzky for them! don't know the dickerson guy.

@@thedarkyellowpages4016 I never got the impression that Gretzky didn't try, but I only knew a little bit about him.

That’s like every player ever

@@jack2957 agreed

50 PPG / 25 RPG easy lol

I argue Super Mario all the time. The problem there though is that he was injured a lot.

@@xtlm Mario is undoubtedly up there, along with guys like Crosby and Howe

i feel like winrate in finals is dumb is it better to be 3-0 in finals or 3-6? obviously 3-6 because making the finals and losing is better than not making it at all

@@synao1159 is it tho? It means you had 9 chances but only capitalised on 3 while 3-0 means whenever the team was good enough to go therr you got the job done.

so assuming they both played the same number of seasons ur saying its worse to lose in the finals than not make the finals at all?? stupidest thing ive ever heard

@@synao1159 I’m not

@@synao1159 I’m saying he has a good win rate

Wilt was at least as physically imposing in his time, probably more so, but he was not the physical specimen Shaq was 30+ years later. Wilt played in a different era. Hard to say with more modern training available that he wouldn't have been even bigger and stronger than he was. He's probably the only one on your list that was also more athletic than Orlando Shaq. I totally agree with your list.

Shaq only became physically imposing after he got fat. He wasn't that big when he first came into the league. Hakeem schooled him in the finals in 1995.

@@bmw128racer because shaq was only 23 hakeem wouldn't had schooled lakers shaq and most likely 32 year shaq would have schooled 23 year old hakeem

I mean he shouldnt of won that 1 . he cant shoot 3s cant shoot free throws just a dunker and rebounder light weight overrated in a sense but def top 5 centers but not 1st or 2nd for sure

@@darrelldovenbarger4157 so your saying Shaq shouldn’t won a MVP because he can’t shoot 3’s or free throws. Not everyone has to be Steph Curry dumbass.

@@lordbrady8117 Calm down dummy stop getting so emotional

@@ytoowbbb8997 shut up you keep finding my comments. Go outside 9 year old.

@@darrelldovenbarger4157 I’m ngl this is pretty retarted why would a centre in the early 2000s be required to shoot threes. And your free throw thing is a valid criticism but does that change the fact he still scored more than 30 points per game in playoff series in his prime and three peat run acting like some dude who scored 8 points with better Ft is better

That day was a good day

bro, a shaq who stayed in shape and practiced free throws would be unstoppable, easily the best basketball player ever.

At least he got Olympic gold in 96

Crazy to think he could of won at least 4-5 rings in a row if he never lost a step

@@kellz1703 His laziness and lack of motivation was what caused the riff between him and Kobe...had they remained together, it would have been a Dynasty.

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Shaq's athleticism on the basketball court was impressive, but Wilt was easily the most physically dominant center of all time when compared against his contemporaries.

@@michaelb1761 I agree entirely with that statement

@@michaelb1761 yeah,njusy imagine if they were all athletes like shaq had to face......Nd still dominated