I read that the first draft for alien 3 waas actually going to be set on earth and that hicks was going to be the main character with ripley taking a bit of a back seat, something like the company ends up spreading the xeno's on earth and hicks and ripley tryin to get away again, then alien 4 was going to continue that story but as ripley in led again and this time it was ripley, hicks and some rebels rising up to take down the company. how do you think that would have turned out??

CommanderShepardXII One of the original drafts for Alien 3 was for Newt (now older and more experienced) and Hicks going and kicking Xeno ass all over the place. Ripley was going to have a smaller part but the movie was going to center around Newt and Hicks. But the studio wanted Ripley and they killed off Hicks. Biehn was already signed on so he pretty much demanded his pay regardless of him being in it. I believe there is an "else where" comic that was taken from this particular draft of the script.

yves0010 aaah reet i didnt now the newt part, that would have been awesome man. yea the studio fucked up after aliens tbh but also as much as i like aliens i would have rather seen ridley do the 2nd over cameron, i feel like scott had an idea of where he would want to take it and that would hav been intresting i mean clearly he didnt intend there to be a queen and a hive etc, was still good though i loved it in fact and hicks is my fav character

CommanderShepardXII any alien movie that doesn't have ripley as its main is a horrible terrible idea. no offense but hicks was a run of the mill rambo, nothing even remotely interesting about the character.

Right, same here! I prefer a live Hicks 'canon' over the ignominy of his death in Alien3.

Dark Horse Aliens comics beg to differ

Zelousmarineinspace Those comics are terrible tho (I own them btw)

What's gotta suck more is Turk dies instead of Hicks

DravenWolfe I always like to think of the original unused ending to aliens canon where ripley and hick live on earth and take care of newt as their kid (yes that really was an idea for the ending

AND THEN WHAT?!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?

@@Oisincolledge And the two make a good couple

I would rather have hicks be dead then to have this canon . I would love for him to live of course . But not like this . It’s like keeping a dead brain person alive who’s in contest pain .

Holy crap!!! I forgot all about this. Funny enough none of the comments showed up until the recent one. So sorry guys, I wasn't ignoring you it just didn't come up

That explains why his acting feels lackluster. It’s always confused me because he’s not a bad actor by any stretch, even in his recent roles.

Great thing. Ridley Scott approved the whole story along with Alien: Isolation, Alien: Out of the Shadows, Alien: Sea of Sorrows, Alien: River of Pain and Aliens: Fire and Stone.

Lets go even further. How did a xenomorph egg get on the Sulaco in the first place?

@@iriamuguillermo9678 a xeno from the legato put it there?

@@iriamuguillermo9678 they say Bishop might have put the egg but i think it was the Queen right before it impales Bishop.

@@iriamuguillermo9678 they say Bishop might have put the egg but i think it was the Queen right before it impales Bishop.

Not when the story behind him being magically alive is far-fetched to the point of being cartoonish.

Just retcon everything after Aliens its that simple

Really? I thought it was a PS1 game.

+razdaz Pretty good graphics for PS1 game

விஷ்ணு கார்த்திக் anyone can tell its n64 graphics

Kieron m more like Sega genisis

Buuuuuurn! XD

and it was said way too fast in the film it was more robotic like m.o.t.h.e.r from the first film.

+Kyle Huxley well it doesn't matter now. This game ISN'T canon.

I hate the fact that this is canon (fox itself approved it) for me it will NEVER be canon anyway

Obscure Entertainment nah this is canon Alien 3 however...

@@obscureentertainment8303 Yes it is canon.

I screamed WTF I THOUGHT HE WAS DEAD LOL but after statis interrupted it all makes sense

There was actually an unused idea for an ending for aliens where hicks and ripley live on earth and take care of newt as their child (yes really) so I like to think that that was the ending

totally agree

I agree

the comics get it right

they kinda had to unless you don't mind recasting. Michael Biehn had a schedule conflict, the actor that played newt; her mother wouldn't let her return to do another because she did not approve of aliens movie.

Hicks being brought back was also approved by both Ridley Scott and 20th Century Fox.

Why skip out on Mark Verheiden epic Hicks and Newt trilogy.

Totally agree.

He didn't enjoy it though.

Searched down to see if someone would point this out. Stupid AF.

Yeah. theres no way I'm ever going to consider this nonsense cannon. FOX should have disowned it as cannon as soon as it emerged that the story was a complete clusterfuck of stupid ideas.

Stedal1978 Uh huh so are you excepting the newer canon with The Engineers overpowering the Queen and putting there arms into her gob? The XenoHumans Thing mock ups? Captain Brackett and Luisa escaping Acheron and planning on taking down Wey-Yu? Ridley Scott new "Alien" his making for Prometheus 2? Just incase you been keeping up to date here.

CplDwayneHicks11 If something makes sense whilst not contradicting already established MOVIE canon then I would consider thinking about including it in what I consider cannon. I've not read or seen the things you are talking about but anything in comics has to be taken with a pinch of salt because the Alien movies have contradicted comic stories so many times that EU novels and comics have to be changed and re-written. However, nothing in Colonial Marines makes sense. The plot holes are gaping and appear to be written by someone with either no sense of Alien universe history or by someone who just wanted Hicks to be alive no matter what the cost to decent story telling. Also, I'd be interested in any link you can provide where Ridley Scott actually says Colonial Marines is canon, or any other article where FOX state Ridley has any authority over what in the EU is considered canon.

Stedal1978 Like to hear your plotholes. As Aliens: Colonial Marines Technical Manual does mention Weyland-Yutani finding Derelict Ship on LV-426 that survived the explosion at the end of Aliens. Michael Biehn face on that body was not seen at all so he never died. The film canon has already been destroyed as of this year. River of Pain has changed Aliens around even more things on what happened offscreen. Ah only one thing I mentioned there was linked to the Dark Horse Comics Fire and Stone series. So you not really have not been paying much attention to the recent Titan Books trilogy which have been made canon by Fox. I've provided many links below to the new canon to people with what Fox have done with Dark Horse Comics and Games and the Titan Books this year. Ridley Scott has mentioned about getting away from the "Gods" and "Dragons". Fox hasn't dropped Colonial Marines brand at all and Dark Horse Comics would have out right said it but they didn't. Ridley gave his blessing to Aliens: Colonial Marines and he has the final say as long nothing effects his squeal is that not enough? Fox's Licensing Division after all. If you don't want the Aliens universe to expand with new stories its fine if you want the four films and nothing else. I'm sure you are a die hard Aliens fan too and sure you know that writers and even the people behind Isolation have mentioned Fox's Aliens Universal Bible and the amount of data they have stored. www.scified.com/site/aliensvspredator/exclusive-interview-with-dark-horse-comics-about-their-new-avp--prometheus-comics Is there a possibility of seeing Corporal Dwayne Hicks in a follow up story to Aliens: Colonial Marines? PAUL TOBIN: It’s a big universe out there. How involved was Ridley Scott on this project? PAUL TOBIN: From a broad overview mode. He’s the final say, of course. He never stopped by the writer’s summits, though. More cake for us. www.avpgalaxy.net/2014/10/30/avpgalaxy-interviews-christopher-golden/ Seeing the other side to Aliens with River of Pain. On how will connect which its does to the Fire and Stone series. forum.alienslegacy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14610 James A. Moore the writer of Alien: Sea of Sorrows the second canon Titan book to be made this year. He has mentioned on what FOX are up too. "The premise of the novel is to offer a sort of "reboot" to the series, that honors all of the things that have gone before and establishes a continuity that keeps all of the previous situations intact, including the dissolution of Weyland-Yutani, the devastation of Europe at the end of A:R, ALL of the movies and events as well as several video games. After the first draft of the novel was written Fox went over it with a fine-toothed comb and several changes were made. [...] i did not make major changes to the Xenomorphs. That might be something that happens later on, but for now there are extremely strict rules because Fox wants to UN-muddy the waters that have been muddied again and again by comics, other books, etc. Ultimately nothing that happens in the book would have happened without either a) the express permission of Fox or b) the express DESIRE of Fox. in point of fact, the initial concept behind the novel came from the powers that be at Fox. That doesn't mean I didn't plot the beast out, but the concept of a descendant of Ripley was theirs, as was the empathic link." screenrant.com/prometheus-2-blade-runner-sequel-ridley-scott/ David going to play a even bigger role. www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=25024 Aliens Fire and Stone #4. www.scified.com/site/aliensvspredator/could-20th-century-fox-be-planning-to-retcon-the-alien-saga Fox are moving on with new stories. www.co-optimus.com/article/9085/aliens-colonial-marines-preview.html Ridley Scott Blessing. www.slashfilm.com/prometheus-2-new-alien/ No Gods and Dragons for Prometheus 2. facebook.com/Hiyatoys Fox are using the Colonial Marines license for next year with HiyaToys so expect Winter, Cruz, Reid ect figures. images.darkhorse.com/darkhorse/index_images/blog/dhpconex.jpg The Strongest Hint that Hicks' will return as this cover by Dark Horse Comics. Hicks never had any Bluetooth headset in Aliens nor SI nor CM and his wearing a new green shirt.

Right, I'm at work and can't read it all right now but I'm struggling to see any direct quote from Ridley regarding his blessing that CM is something he considers cannon. Regarding the plot holes, firstly, Hadleys Hope WAS nuked by a 30 megaton explosion, there would be nothing left. Secondly, hicks was wearing different cloths to what he went to sleep in at the end of the movie, there are many more that I can list when I get home if need be.

Don't these people have dog tags?

Bailey Smooth Colonial Marines have Dogtags, however Turk who was in the cryotube was not a Colonial marine and didnt have dogtags. As is seen in the video above, Hicks is wearing his Dogtags.

jason hurstknight Hicks wasn't even wearing any clothes when being put to sleep in his cryotub, he was only wearing bandages and boxer shorts, also did you see his face in Aliens 3? It didn't even look like Turk or Hicks, it looked like something ripped his face apart in the middle and leaved him in a bloody mess, so therefore, no identification.

@@ShimmySchimeon a safety beam crushed his head and face

I'm sure he acted his best. His voice in Aliens is pretty monotone anyway. There is an Alien 5 coming out possibly after Alien Covenant. This may disregard Alien 3 and Resurrection as a different timeline. We may yet see Ripley, Hicks and Newt in a new movie, set 30 years after events of Aliens.

He already said the developers didn't care so he didn't.

+misstinwhistle1 stop dreaming. this will never happen.

Well don't forget, it was Gearbox's lack of interest and effort that killed and dumbed a possible good story about Hicks surviving.

Michael Biehn admitted to only giving a half hearted performance because he felt the developers lacked passion for the project

It's a mess. Let's start: None of the games except for Colonial Marines and Alien Isolation are canon. However, due to bad reception, A-CM and Alien 3 (even if they're considered part of the story) won't be used and referenced in future movies. Movies outside the quadrilogy are considered non-canon, exception made for Prometheus and the upcoming Alien 5. None of the novels are canon. The three 2014 books are canon. Comic books are not canon

Don't worry about canon, man. Just enjoy the films for the individual works of art that they are. For instance, the Assembly Cut of Alien 3 or the Director's Cut of Alien are probably not canon, but I infinitely prefer them and - for me - they just are Alien and Alien 3. Alien Resurrection and the AVP franchise are canon, but I completely ignore their existence. Its happier like this. :)

Nope wasn't the Queen Xeno. The Xenomorphs onboard the USS Legato who followed Turk and Samwell to the USS Sulaco via the umbilical did place that egg. This is all in game.

CplDwayneHicks11 Was this explained in the Stasis interrupted DLC or the main game? Also how was it explained, was it through a computer or in person?

***** In Stasis Interrupted when you are playing as Lisbeth you had to catch this yourself. Those Xenomorphs had to began transporting eggs onboard while the two ships were linked. You don't see the Egg put in place but you can see that egg in the main game as Winter on the first level. Would have taken awhile for Stone and Turk to find the Cryo-Chambers hence why the facehugger got to Ripley first. Much better here then saying the first Queen had a hidden small egg when she was onscreen the entire time and went straight for the attack.

CplDwayneHicks11 Ok, but explain to me why when Ripley reactivated Bishop in Alien 3 that he was not aware of people infiltrating their room and was only aware that there was an egg left behind and a fire.

***** Can only think that Michael Weyland ordered his men to hack into the Sulaco's computers to cover up there own involvement. Bishop said "its very dark in here Ripley" and he replaying a false flag event. The Weyland-Yutani Corporation was able to stop Hicks' report back to Earth after all their technology is far advance.

Stasis Interrupted was DLC or free with the season pass at the time.

simply put: the body cremated wasn't even hicks, it was Turk

I'm not buying the mistaken identity thing, besides doesn't the pod computer show biological/biometric data? if it does, it should have registered that the person in Hicks' pod isn't Hicks.

lunavixen015 Hick's cryopod was severely damaged when a pillar slammed and crushed Turk's head. Fury 161 doesn't have the facilities to investigate who is who. Therefore, it's a clever way in retconning Alien 3 to fit into Colonial Marines

A crushed head doesn't change your biometric data, and you don't need that much specialist equipment to repair a computer, Bishop was far more complicated than the shipboard systems and yet Ripley got him operational.

LETS JUST FORGET that Alien3 never happened, & Strap this along side the Alien 3 for the SNES story.

LongshotStudios Well, you just pointed out another piece of evidence that shows how Gearbox didn't give a shit about this game.

At least his death of screen was handled with some decent writing. I'd rather him stay dead then be brought back in fan fic level trash.

+Stedal1978 true

Roberto you're stupid

You have closure and an explanation. He was killed by a support beam in the crash. Case closed. Welcome to the Lovecraftian universe of Alien. If by 'closure', you mean resurrecting him in a hilariously choreographed fight sequence, so that he can conveniently turn up on LV426, spout some horribly acted dialogue, tip the hat to the woeful AVP franchise, and run around playing Call of Duty.... well, sorry, that's just fanfiction as one contributor has already noted. Really, really bad fanfiction. I had closure. At least I could remember him as a badass before, who was tragically killed in a quirk of fate aboard the Sulaco. Now we can all remember Biehn's last performance as this wooden garbage. Thanks fanboys!

Alien3 was waaaaaay better than Aliens

It's DLC

No this does not fellow Mark Verheiden epic trilogy. Fox has this Aliens canon bible which no one can see. This game still had to fellow the first three films and even Prometheus which this game does! Ridley Scott and Fox both approved this entire story as they want to un-muddy the waters of the Aliens story. Bringing Hicks back was perfect for them and for us die hard Hicks fans.

aliens 3 always left a bad taste in my mouth, i wish the epic triology was canon. then maybe movies about it, i think they missed the cash cow there. its ok how they explained hicks with the dlc they coulda just acted it out better

I totally agree with you about a live action version of the comic trilogy. I said this else where all Fox has to do is get Jennifer Lawrence for Newt & Michael Biehn back again.

CplDwayneHicks11 ya they've dug there heels in pretty deep for the story line they have developed now. hopefully someone will do something like dredd and comback to it later in the future, then as grumpy old men go to the theaters and see what we have deserved to see :D

Yes someone will bring Hicks & Newt back to our screens again no doubt about it.

Yes. It was written by Mark Verheiden. After Alien 3, the names of the characters were changed, but happily, the original version was rereleased with the characters we love, Newt and Hicks. If I remember correctly, Ripley showed up in the Earth War series. It’s nice to have an alternative to Alien 3.

I use to have that comic. Loved Earth War.