Can't even give Sid his flowers for 5 minuets without talking about Matthews and the Leafs 🤨

How the fuck is everyone missing the fact that Crosby has been MORE than a ppg for 19 consecutive seasons and gretzky was MORE than a ppg for 15 consecutive seasons. Season 16 he had 48 points in 48 games. Crosby has the MOST seasons with MORE than a ppg in NHL history. Look it up for fuck sakes. No shame to gretzky obviously. The goat

Anyone who doesn't have Crosby in their top 5 of all time is having a laugh at this point.

Connor Mcdavid and Austin Matthews need a Stanley Cup! Crosby figured it out, Sakic figured it out, Yzerman figured it out, Lemieux figured it out, Ovechkin figured it out you have to have a cup!

Sid's gonna get another 250 pts before he's done And he missed 150 games in his offensively prime years. He's the best Complete Player to ever play the game!!!!!

When Matthew’s and Mcdavid get 3 cups then can talk about it, that’s the main reason for playing, Crosby is easily top 5

As a Pens fan since 1988 I think Sid is in many ways as great as Mario, and Mario is my favourite player. I think if Mario had Sid’s drive to win he would have smashed all the records and won more than 2 cups. Mario was super competitive but Sid is committed to winning in a way Mario took for granted. 2 cups for Mario was an underachievement. Sid makes the highlight reel plays regularly but also commits to doing all the little things and practicing them incessantly.

Best all around player ever

Way to go Sid!! More than well deserved! You're a legend!!

The only reason Crosby will never be considered a top 2 is because he played in an era where 4th line players could have been all stars in the 80s.

tsn still can't figure out it's volume balance on youtube smfh

One of the GOATS.

The part about Crosby having more 30 goal seasons than Lemieux is moot. Everybody knows that's only because of all the health issues Lemieux had. What happened, happened. I get that. But I think Lemieux's numbers are more amazing than they even look on paper, because he was playing sick or injured for basically his entire career. But it's all beside the point. All that aside, Crosby certainly deserves his spot among the elite of the elite.

No, Gretzky has 18 seasons with more than a point per game. (He has 19 seasons with at least a point per game.)

Sid is probably having the best year of his career, despite the team's standings. He is unreal....better than Ovechkin, Matthews and McDavid combined.

Crosby... the silent beast.

No brainer top 5

200 foot game he’s the 🐐

points are so much harder to come by in today's game compared to 99's era. Crosby is 8th all-time in points-per-game, in a much harder era. To me that makes him quite possibly the best ever. *McDavid is higher that Crosby now but half as many games so likely will slow down at some point

I don’t know how many times I’ve seen him play, but I’ve never seen him go less than full throttle every shift. And then add the talent, leadership, and clutch play. What a great player.

As a western Pennsylvanian, I want to thank Canada for all the great hockey talent you’ve sent our way! Mario, both as a player, and now owner of the Pens made Pittsburgh hockey what it is today. Sidney Crosby was and is the perfect successor to Mario. In fact, my family has a 15 year old dog we named Sidney as a personal honor to him. We got her as a pup in December of 2008, the season the Pens avenged their loss to the Redwings and won the Stanley Cup. Our doggy Sid is blind and incontinent, but otherwise healthy. I hope the Pen’s Sid doesn’t suffer such a fate. 😉 I expect we can count on him for another 4-5 years. It’s been a great run having two of the best to ever play the game playing in Pittsburgh. Here’s hoping Mario lands another killer player who can keep the tradition alive!

So humble ❤

Hope Crosby does this another couple seasons, and it becomes just his record. Maybe he'll break it next year and Ovi will break Gretz's goal record how dope would that be.

Yes he does Sid is the best 200’ player since Bobby Orr the guy plays a complete game every year imo he is one of the greatest players ever

It's weird that Mike Bossy doesn't get more love for being a Rushmore candidate. Four cups, Nine straight 50 goal seasons (all but his injury shortened final year), ranks 4th in career points-per-game. And where does he rank in Goals-per-game? FIRST! 😳

Steve Yzerman deserve a vote. Not so much based on points but on championships and leadership.

Just imagine if Sid didn’t have those injuries?! His concussions.

Dude Howe and Orr played against soul food restaurant owners Crosby easily clears those 2

The problem with Matthews? He happened to come into the league when he’ll always be overshadowed by 4 or 5 others that are overall better, and more valuable to their teams.

Sid might be the ONLY one with MORE than a point per game. I think Gretz had a season where he was 'only' a point per game.

This is no disrespect to Wayne Gretzky, but no one was allowed to hit him when he played. The level of competition today is way better than it was back in the day.

Why is it so quiet?

I'm no Kucherov fan, but he is also having an amazing season - closing in on 50-100. Probably won't hit it but will be close. Only 2 players hit that mark ML once and WG rediculoulsy 8 times.

It's between him and Beliveau for that 5th overall spot I would think. You could probably make an arguemnt for either guy. McDavid will be up there with all those guys at some point, and soon from the looks of it.

Penguins fans are so lucky Mario, Jaromir and Sid❤

My brother scored a hat trick in his first SJHL game haha

Crosby is definitely in the top 5, no debate about it. McDavid is going to be on the list soon at his rate.

Top 5 no doubt. The best all around player to ever play the game. Not even that close. Mcdavid will finish with more points sure but unless he wins 3-5 cups I’m not sure he can or will ever surpass Crosby. Crosby just did so much for the game.

What a joke of a video this is. Can’t even give Crosby the respect he deserves. Absolutely pathetic. Matthews and McDavid need to win. They are not in any discussion ever until they do.

Compare anyones playoff stats to wayne and no ones comes close marios the only one who you can have a discussion

Sidney Crosby is the third best player in NHL history. At some point, we have to start realizing he’s the best player to ever play. Just so we’re clear, also - there is only one person in NHL history with BETTER than a PPG in 19 consecutive seasons - that’s Sidney Crosby. Gretzky finished with 48 in 48. Sid has been the 5th best player in nhl history since 2016. There’s no a single person on earth that can make a serious argument that Gordie Howe is a better HOCKEY PLAYER than Sidney Crosby.

Of course TSN HASSSSS to even mention anything resembled to Toronto Maple Leaf Hockey - let alone maybe even make it more important than the ACTUAL subject of the video … SIDNEY CROSBY … to be honest - I’m glad SID is getting the recognition he deserves … he’s a God to us Yinzers … lately I think the people of Pittsburgh have been taking him for granted . After tonight’s comeback win against the Devils - Pens are 3 pts shy of playoff spot . this living/PLAYING legend in Pittsburgh ain’t gonna quit . ( last 6 games - 6 goals - 9 assists - 15 points )

mcdavid and mathews won't be on any top 5 list if they don't win a cup. they got almost 20 seasons between the both of them, and they haven't even got 1 ring

Auston Matthews has played 8 years in the NHL and is 4 even strength goals away from breaking the franchise record for most even strength goals as a maple leaf. Think of that for a second, swish it around. 8 years is all it took for this next generation of talent to break a goal scoring record on an ORIGINAL SIX NHL TEAM. I told you that story to tell you this STATEMENT; Sidney Crosby is the best hockey player of all time. If there’s an argument for anyone else to be there, it’s Lemieux.

Crosby was top 5 in 2017

You can't hold the Olympics against 97 and 34. That being said. Neither of them have a chance at catching Crosby in terms of Legacy. They are point and goal scoring specialists respectively. Have not proven to be winners, two way players, team first players or playoff performers. They both lack complete play especially in the playoffs or the key games. Crosby not only has won at every level, hes been instrumental in deciding moments. Crosby will stand above them at the end of their time even if they surpass his points or goals unless they have a dynasty run. They're both no question HoF already so it feels weird to exclude them from the upper echelon. His major claim to fame. Even on his own team, I've always felt Malkin had more raw talent than Crosby but Crosbys IQ and work ethic is simply unrivaled. We lost his prime and his totals would've been quite a bit higher. Probably the most complete player to lace up.

Where where does Jagr sit on the list? Number two all time in pts, 2 cups. Not saying he needs to be top five but would argue he has more right to that claim currently than McDavid Matthews or my active player not named Crosby or Ovechkin.

Anyone who says he ain’t top 3 your just blind and hater of greatness

I have been a Pens fan 50 years now and I think Sid passed Mario a while ago

we don't wanna hear MR NO SHOW PLAY-OFFS AUSTON MATTHEWS ANYMORE OKAY

Top 3 for sure.

Top 10 alltime. Encroaching top 5.

One debate I never hear is who has had the better career. I'd put Messier up there as the best career out of all NHL players. Gretz and Crosby are in the top 3 for me.

Yes, Crosby is 5 indeed

Sids easily Top 5. He deserves another shot at a Cup but with Dubas as GM that’s doubtful. After all he fk’d the Leafs. As for Mathews empty netter he was actually trying to pass to William Bystander so he could get his cookie.

If he plays 5 seasons he will be the only other player but Gretz with 2000. We will see though. He's well on his way to replacing Howe in the top 4.

Outside of individual accomplishments, Matthew's is the greatest forward in US history

Crosby is in the top 10 of all time in anyone's books who knows anything about hockey history...

yes yes yes

How does a video about Crosby end up involving Auston Matthews. Auston Matthews is overrated

Nobody debates this 😂🇨🇦✔

This is such a pre-playoff, dog days of the season filler of a conversation.

I was good at hockey too about to play AA but the coaches hated me haha I only made it until the league below midget

Sid os top 5

matthews needs a cup first

McDavid and Matthews both have a lot of help. Is the fact that they did not do it yet their fault or the management. Crosby has never played with a star winger or a sought after defensive core. Other than Malkin and Fleury, he did not have the talents that McDavid and Matthews have. But, some how Crosby got it done.

Mcdavids 3rd in scoring in his prime wayne would be first on assists dlone

WELL deserved

420 is only acceptable answer.

I'm a Pens fan, so yeah, I'm a total homer for Sid. Having said that...Lemieux and Gretzky were on an entirely different level; otherworldly talent that I saw with my own eyes. Sid has talent, but he makes his bones by never taking a day off; the greatest grinder in the history of hockey. The fact that he's still better than a PPG at his age is incredible and speaks volume about his dedication to preparation. But one thing I've never seen Sid do is dominate a game, just completely take it over, put his team on his back and carry them to victory, the way those two could. Malkin has; it's rare, but he's done it. But Sid never has. Yet with Sid, you always what you're going to get from him, game after game, whereas Malkin could simply disappear for entire stretches. And so, I can only wonder whether Sid truly belongs on Mount Rushmore or the next tier down of great, but not legendary.

He was there before but okay Rofl no Connor mcdavid? How bout he learns how to play a full game and win in the playoffs first?

Top 5 but once mcjesus done I think he’s out of the top 5 ….to me it’s 99 66 87 4 and 5(lidstrom) with hasek in the cage and bowman on the bench

Crosby is in the 6-10 range, along with Ovi and Nick Lidstrom. it's a great tier to be in, its not a knock.

a top five list with no Maurice Richard? you're old enough to have a notion of this...

Problem is, McDavid has already established himself as the only other player who is on Gretzky Lemieux Orr level, and when its all said and done, he could very well be considered the greatest. At the very least he's already the most skilled ever.

Crosby>Howe

Fire sully

50 goals once, 40+ goals once....please let's pump the breaks. A great player but, he should not be mentioned with the top four.

To me he hasn't won enough cups or individual trophies I take Hasek and Pronger over Crosby np

Crosby is better than top 5

top 5?! yeah settle down.. top 3 and he's making an argument for 1... stop w the bs

The definitive first tier of Hockey's Mount Rushmore is .. Howie Morenz .. Maurice 'the Rocket' Richard .. Gordie Howe .. Wayne Gretsky .. the second tier could include .. Jean Beliveau .. Mario Lemieux .. Mike Bossy .. Mark Messier .. Jaromir Jagr .. Denis Potvin .. Phil Esposito .. Ray Bourque .. Guy Lafleur .. Bobby Hull .. Stan Mikita .. Alex Ovechkin .. etc .. The absolute top of Hockey's Mount is "Henri Richard" .. back in 50 game seasons .. one of the earliest to reach 1,000 points .. "eleven" Stanley Cup Rings as a player .. a record that will never be beaten ..

Sidney Crosby???? I'm one of the most knowledgeable experts in the world on hockey, maybe the most knowledgeable, and I've never even heard of this person. Was this some kind of an April fools joke?

Sorry gretzky lemieux orr not top 5.. the top 5 is todays players. Jagr would be the only one worth debating

Your a "Butter Boy" That means you give credit, when credit is due. BUT, you still talk about McDavid, and Matthews. If you want to consider them would be greats, They BOTH need more than 1 Cup. Because that means they are leaders not scorers. If you feed people all the time they will score. Just look at Ovechkin. He has no clue how to distribute a puck. Or motivate a team. Crosby 3 Cups, Lemieux 2 cups, Gretzky 4, Howe 4, and Orr 2. The greats make their teammates better. Ovechkin, McDavid, and Matthews have yet to prove that. Score all you want. But to REAL Hockey fans, scoring, ASSISTS, and Cups are the decider in who is great.

Why is Crosby #5? What possible argument is there to say Howe ranks up there with Gretzky, Lemieux, and Orr? IF Howe is legitimately in the top 4, then he is absolutely 4th. I argue that Crosby is #4 and Howe is #5. At this point in time, Howe went from being considered the best ever when he had the points record and goals record. Well, he's 4th in points now, and 3rd in goals. When do generations after him eventually get some credit? My ranking (based on pure talent, not just results and longevity): 1) Lemieux 2) Gretzky 3) Orr 4) Crosby 5) Brodeur? Bossy? Hasek? Howe? Jagr? Lafleur? Sawchuk? Lidstrom? Pick someone for 5th, but I don't know why goalies don't get any credit for being one of the best of all time. Why is it always top point producing forwards and Orr? No other D gets mentioned, and no goalie ever gets mentioned. I think that's criminal to the best ever at those positions. Also, why not a great 2-way forward (or defenseman for that matter) who put up tons of points and excelled in his own end? That is another list to break down. Those are pure championship winning caliber Clydesdales that every team dreams of drafting. A lot of not-so-sexy attributes get left out of the discussions of the best ever.

Crosby is top 5 easy

Lets be real any player whos peak was prior 2010 should not be mentioned. Sorry gretzky himself said he could only dream of being half as decent as today kids. So gretzky automatically out of the conversation. Any player from them era should not be mentioned garbage real trash hockey worst than todsy beer league

He has a case for #5 but nothing higher. Don't even wanna talk with people who think he's cracked the big 4.

Typical tsn ,have to get a kiss on Mathews and McDavids arse

Nobody cares about what Gordie did against plumbers and firemen. Crosby is 4th at worst

6th or 7th

The funny thing is, i took mcdavids first 7 or 8 seasons all of them basically last year and compared to crosbys BEST 7 or 8 seasons and guess who had better stats😭 spoiler its not Crosby

6-10

Just my opinion all time, gretzky 1 Mario 2 orr 3 howe 4 crosby 5 Yzerman 6 Ovechkin 7 Bossy 8 Belliveau 9 Stastny 10 Thats my top 10 currently

Is Crosby better than Jagr, Messier, Yzerman, Sakic, Francis, Howe, I don't know? We'll see where he ends up.

Mcdavid will retire at #2, no question. But the fact that he's so much better than everyone at a time where everyone is so good, it's a testament to how great he truly is.

He's cried his way to the top. Big deal!!!! Congratulations. Cry baby.

What does it take for a non-Canadian player to end up on the mountain? I mean, you only set Matthew's potential to be the best american player ever.

Scoring goals is quite important in hockey, I'd say. The greatest goal scorer of all time doesn't make it into the top five? Ovi has scored almost as many goals as Wayne Gretzky, but he's done it against elite athletes. It's disingenuous to have the top four be untouchable. They paved the way, yes, but they played in eras where hockey was far less competitive than it is today. Gretzky, Lemieux, Ovechkin, Lidström, Hasek. Not necessarily in that order.