How Indie Films Are Fixing Hollywood’s Intimacy Problem

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Intimate scenes on screen have been a hot topic of conversation for years. After seemingly falling out of fashion for a while, it looks like sex scenes are making a comeback in one arena: prestige indie films (like Passengers, Poor Things and Blue Valentine). So what’s really going on here, and what's the right balance between totally sexless and totally oversexed?
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CHAPTERS
00:00 - The Controversy of Intimate Scenes on Screen
00:54 - The Rise of Sex Scenes in Indie Films
01:49 - Fatigue and the Sexual Renaissance in Independent Film
02:48 - The Evolution of Sexuality in Film
03:50 - Marketing Films and Depictions of Sexuality on Screen
04:40 - The fading of the sex scene in TV and film
05:34 - The Intimate Scene in Independent Films
06:28 - The Multifaceted Depictions of Sex
07:29 - The Rise of Intimacy Coordinators
08:23 - The Oversaturation of Unremarkable Franchise Films
09:19 - The Steadfastness of Independent Filmmaking
10:11 - An Authentic Depiction of Sex in Films
11:09 - Exploring Sex and Sexuality
CREDITS
Executive Producers: Debra Minoff & Susannah McCullough
Chief Creative Director: Susannah McCullough
Associate Producer: Tyler Allen
Writer: Faith Terrill
Narrator: Kayah Franklin
Video Editor: Dan Wolff
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How Indie Films Are Fixing Hollywood’s Intimacy Problem

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@thetake 8 ай бұрын

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@katherinealvarez9216 8 ай бұрын

Actually I'm more interested in how smaller productions and successes are helping show a variety of different kinds of relationships.

@marinam824 8 ай бұрын

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@stace_d 8 ай бұрын

I think the problem is more a lack of authentic feeling intimacy (with or without sex), rather than a lack of "sex scenes" in modern big budget films. It feels like everything is all about the spectacle and big budget effects; less about real acting and displays of emotion and connection

@elizrebezilmadommdo1662 8 ай бұрын

True.

@levadamusic 8 ай бұрын

Nothing in movies are real, art has no pretentiousness to be real, don't have to be real, the problem with movie industry is the same with others industry's in capitalistm aways the same people using the same formulas, and that's is tiring, we all are tired to see the same things.

@lilydalbkce3249 7 ай бұрын

Yes! Blockbuster films (looking at you Marvel) are so bad at showing why characters care for each other. There's just a forced kiss that comes out of no where and we're supposed to believe that they had this building chemistry. That's why I believe they should focus more on friendships. Build the relationship, don't treat a kiss (or sex or whatever) as the climax. Just show the characters growing to care for each other. That's what made The Marvels good! They just showed the relationships of these women as they were forced together through circumstances, were forced to learn how to work with each other, and came to care for each other. It was perfect.

@custos3249 7 ай бұрын

I don't know what you mean. I always make sure to sling the covers over myself the moment someone pulls away from me. That is, unless I'm able to keep more or less all of my clothing on.

@misabelrodriguez1163 8 ай бұрын

I'm glad you guys pointed out how Sam Levinson is just terrible

@12234d 8 ай бұрын

Literally no actress has come out and stated they had a problem with Levinson or his scenes. What you are is a chronically online mfer who speeds too much time on twitter.

@efghd2624 8 ай бұрын

Truly. And the fact that The Idol have the nerve to shit on intimacy coordinators in its first episode then proceed with some of the tackiest, unsexy, male gaze-y sex scenes is.....truly something else. He has no self-awareness.

@rejectionisprotection4448 3 ай бұрын

@@efghd2624He does, but he doesn't give a s--t because he has connections in the industry.

@PokhrajRoy. 8 ай бұрын

Maybe I’m being optimistic but I feel like the definition of sex and intimacy has broadened and changed which explains a cultural lag in media (in most cases).

@efghd2624 8 ай бұрын

I think so too. A lot of people are reevaluating the lessons and examples media has about love and sex. Especially since there have been so many actors that have come forward about their terrible experiences with sex scenes. So of course there's going to be a lull while its getting figured out

@EricGraham94 8 ай бұрын

Definitely a problem with Hollywood for sure is it only shows the sex scene. In real life, sex is the result of buildup of chemistry, and afterwards, there is a certain effect it leaves on you, a lingering aftermath. Those 2 things are missing. Because we’re only shown the sex scene, we only see it being glorified. Without showing the aftermath, you start to have a mass of people - audience members - who unironically believe there are no consequences to just casually fucking.

@levadamusic 8 ай бұрын

What is this all sex has chemistry? Where did you get the idea that sex in real life is a construction? It may be true for some people, but it's not true for many people. Y pll are SUPERromanticizing sex Nothing in movies are real, art has no pretentiousness to be real, don't have to be real, the problem with movie industry is the same with others industry's in capitalistm aways the same people using the same formulas, and that's is tiring, we all are tired to see the same things.

@thecavalieryouth 8 ай бұрын

Those same audience members also don't seem to understand or find the value in the buildup. All the sexiness that can come *before* the bumping of uglies and swapping of fluids (🤭); the anticipation for what can come next, the excitement, the nerves, the awkward moments, the funny moments, any of it. And a lot of onscreen couplings in mainstream media don't seem to have *chemistry* between actors. There's no undercurrent, no electricity, no interesting back & forth, push & pull. We're just always seeing these characters jumping straight in, and then people do the same in real life, stripping away all the good & meaningful elements of being intimate with someone, even when it's casual or a one time thing.

@EricGraham94 8 ай бұрын

@@thecavalieryouth thank you!!

@custos3249 7 ай бұрын

Then explain why one of the top fantasies of women remains domination? Funny how people conveniently forget the popularity of garbage like 50 shades.

@EricGraham94 7 ай бұрын

@@custos3249 you’re only talking about content; I’m talking about context, which is often overlooked.

@davidjackson6475 8 ай бұрын

I think the biggest issue with the MCU films is that there’s no hint of where they’re taking the story. At least pre Endgame they had characters dropping lines and hints about what was the ultimate goal for the franchise.

@katherinealvarez9216 8 ай бұрын

Actually, while they hinted at a team up, the Thanos arc didn’t really come together until it was hindsight. Now they’re in a rebuilding stage. Which I hope includes better working conditions for everyone.

@samara5245 8 ай бұрын

No entiendo por que tiene que haber una escena de sexo si o si en las películas de marvel. El punto es otro, no tiene sentido (ni lo va a tener)

@nalday2534 8 ай бұрын

No one cares dawg stop talking about mcu jfc

@mhawang8204 8 ай бұрын

The ultimate goal of the franchise is to make money

@spaceylacey83 8 ай бұрын

They started making the movies like they make comic books. Which is fine for comic books or TV shows but it's a lot to wait for installment after installment, endlessly, when it's a feature film every time. As a comic fan, I'd love to find the middle ground and stick to it. I don't need the whole world to hype up and enjoy superhero stories whether they're comics or film but I would like to see good stories about enduring characters I already love. Still sad we never got a Nightwing movie but I'm also glad it wasn't part of DC's embarrassing attempt to match the MCU. And the franchise-ification of movies didn't help popular appeal. Much like books never changed their whole shtick just because comics became popular, movies didn't have to either. They just saw dollar signs.

@ShawnRavenfire 8 ай бұрын

Another factor to point out is that in the 70s and 80s, sex scenes were still considered a draw for audiences, but in the 90s, when the internet being in every home made porn freely available to anyone, sex (gratuitous, at least) was no longer a draw, and mainstream filmmakers no longer saw the point of it.

@SzalonyKucharz 8 ай бұрын

You obviously haven't lived in the 90s. The number of Internet users worldwide in mid 90s was less than 40 million. There was 5.7 billion people on the planet at that time, which means that not every home, but less than 1% of human population had Internet back then. VHS and adult cable TV channels were the go-to medium for porn and whatever adult content was available on the web back then were either scans of porn magazines or short looped animated gifs of ripped porn tapes. DVDs were only available from 1996, can you imagine that? It was the spread of broadband Internet in the early noughties and mobile Internet in the following decade when porn started migrating en masse to world wide web and adult content production shifted almost completely to that medium. By that time, mainstream Hollywood movies have long gone 'sexless', while videopornography as a separate low-brow visual entertainment has had a solid client base and its own distribution channels, predating the Web by more than a decade.

@ShawnRavenfire 8 ай бұрын

Granted, it was slow loading screens using the old dial-up modems, but people were definitely accessing internet porn before the 00s.

@annabeinglazy5580 8 ай бұрын

@@ShawnRavenfireim sure some where, but "available to anyone" is a stretch. My mum almost caused a breakdown in my dad when she picked up the phone during an ANTIVIRUS UPDATE in 2001, i dont even want to think how long it would takeb to download p0rn 😂😂😂 The realistic version of corn cosumption would have been checking out a vhs tape at the videostore. That was easy, anoymous (fairly) and you dont have to explain why noone can Touch the phone or the pc for the next 2 hours

@Logitah 8 ай бұрын

As an ace, I usually don't care for sex scenes, but I do like the ones that are actually plot relevant. For example Pennsatucky's flashback in Orange Is the New Black showed us her skewed view on sex and the moment she realised that sex is supposed to feel good. That scene with her boyfriend actually warmed my heart and made me feel for her. I also wish sex scenes had more communication and humour. The people having sex telling each other what they want, and perhaps one bumping their head on the headboard and the other asking if they're ok. 😂

@marial870 7 ай бұрын

Exactly. Sense8 was a great example of sex scenes that were all plot relevant and never felt like they are there just to be there, like those in for example Game of Thrones did.

@Logitah 7 ай бұрын

@@marial870 gotta check that out!

@evanfinnian 8 ай бұрын

I think a distinction needs to be made between showing consensual and non-consensual acts when rating films. They are not anywhere near equivalent and send a dangerous message when lumped together. One is an expression of love and the other is trauma inducing and can be traumatic to even witness on screen when portrayed by actors.

@thestarspark2288 8 ай бұрын

YES!! This is massive. I'm a survivor of sexual assault and I find SA scenes triggering. I want to be able to make an informed choice about whether or when I engage with potentially triggering content. It's quite hard sometimes to find out if the sex in a show/movie is going to be consensual or not. Two days ago I was about to watch Mrs Fletcher, and I noticed it was rated R so I went online to see if I could find any info. The streaming service had no info, just the R rating, and online I found nothing about why it was given that rating, or the nature of the sex (without going to websites that do an episode-by-episode breakdown and spoil the whole show). Well, it turns out it does have a SA scene in the second last episode, and I was majorly triggered. :/ I used Unconsenting Media which is a free website to make a submission so that other survivors can see that this show has a content note. Highly recommend it to other survivors out there, but it certainly doesn't have everything. I would love it if this information was mandated to be easily available. I also find a blanket trigger warning for a whole show or movie useless and in fact harmful as it just increases my anxiety. Give me an idea of what it is, and exactly when it happens with timestamps so I can decide to skip it or equip myself with tools so that I can process it safely.

@escabasket153 8 ай бұрын

Agree with you. Lumping in “Last Tango in Paris” as a sex scene and not a rape scene is disgusting and hurtful on the Takes part imo.

@matman000000 7 ай бұрын

Sadly the MPAA is an outdated, out of touch organisation with very obvious biases and little understanding for nuances of intimacy or consent

@custos3249 7 ай бұрын

Define consensual. Per today's arbitrary standards, seems anything outside a mundane: "[metoo adjusted preamble] do you want to have sex?" "Yes. I would like to have sex." "This brings me positive sensations. Would you like sex now?" "Yes. Sex now seems perfectly cromulent. Let us commence." "Affirmative." Man, gives me the vapors just thinking about it.

@rejectionisprotection4448 3 ай бұрын

@@custos3249You're being very literal about this. "Normal People" has overtly consensual sex scenes (also featuring Paul Mescal), which are very sexy.

@marianadineva14 8 ай бұрын

Some actors are saying they wouldn’t do sex scenes due to respect to their wife or whatever, which is their own valid opinion. However, I find it telling that same actor doesn’t have a problem playing a serial killer who kills women. Extreme violence is ok to show and act but not sex? I think sex and intimacy scenes should be approached carefully and everyone involved to be completely comfortable, and without the disgusting voyeurism as if people are objects. Just the fact that violence and killing is shown as something to be emulated from an early age (superhero movies) but sex and sexuality is taboo?!

@annushankar3032 8 ай бұрын

That's a very good point that I didn't even think of until now.

@pluto-qd2qu 8 ай бұрын

it’s about boundaries in a relationship, because kissing someone else even for work could be seen as cheating to them. playing a serial killer does not break a relationship boundary

@abraham2172 8 ай бұрын

If actors have a problem with sexual scenes, they shouldnt have accepted the role. Their job is to fullfil the vision of the director. If theyre unwilling to do so, they are unfit for the role and should quit.

@EclipseXIV 8 ай бұрын

@@abraham2172that‘s a very narrow viewpoint. Actors aren‘t machines made to read a script and be replaced with any other machine of the same height and gender if they don‘t read the lines right. They‘re humans who get a role for the way they portray a character, for being the perfect impersonation of what‘s on paper. So if they get offered a role and they want to add a clause to their contract not to do intimate scenes, that‘s perfectly valid, because all these little changes are signed by ALL PARTIES before the filming starts. Meaning producers, directors etc. have agreed to let this person play the part even though they won‘t do intimate scenes. Actors who want to follow their conscience have the same right to a job as actors who don‘t care. They just have to add a clause to their contract that the others don‘t need.

@abraham2172 8 ай бұрын

@@EclipseXIV And I have no problem with that. Of course directors and producers must openly tell the actors exactly what they want them to do before the decision if they take on the role is made, especially about potentially problematic scenes. Thats their responsibility, but if the actors agree to the conditions, they need to follow through with their decision, without suddenly changing their mind halfway through the movie.

@orillia-jq6yk 8 ай бұрын

I think it’s interesting that most of these indie examples are queer, or from the female perspective, most of these films are about women of queer people. It’s really telling that these perspectives are the hot new take. I’m glad we got there but it’s sad it took so long

@kayleighdriessen 8 ай бұрын

You should make a video talking about how media tends to portray the power of friendship and how some films gor older people treat frienship as something trivial in exchange for the so-called ultimate perfect romantic love like a nonexistent rute of passage in comparison for shows like MLP where platonic love seems almost like anything but devalued as much like I can't help but feel like portraying romantic or platonic love and intimacy in animated films seem so much easier.

@reddenver 8 ай бұрын

A gap in this breakdown is that when sex left films it proliferated in golden age of TV ( mad man to game of thrones)

@chrisparkes 8 ай бұрын

It blows my mind that one of the most powerful and integral human experiences is so rarely captured well in our most popular art form.

@NaumRusomarov 8 ай бұрын

Bones and all was an incredibly sexual movie yet there was really no sex shown in it.

@nalday2534 8 ай бұрын

It wasn't. It was sexless and the leads had no chemistry

@letizialanfranco9443 8 ай бұрын

I think that the answers to why major blockbusters are not doing any sex scene anymore is because their actors are waaay too influencing and their contracts are very limiting. When rdj did first iron man was trying to recover a career and, even if married already, needed desperately that role so he may settled for a sex scene. In endgame and after avengers in general was pretty obvious that nobody would manage to replace him. His grip on the merchandise was strong enough to avoid him doing that kind of scene again

@galacticpotato607 8 ай бұрын

i think that if they don't want to do a sex scene its pretty unethical to pressure them into that regardless of prominence??

@hetaliajapan01 8 ай бұрын

@@galacticpotato607 Yes, but I think that's kinda the point. A lot of people felt pressured to do intimate scenes even if they didn't want to because some higher up demanded it, but when an actor has more power, they have the ability to say no if they don't want to do it, which is good, but I'm sure some people think it's for the worse

@letizialanfranco9443 8 ай бұрын

@@galacticpotato607 depends on the contract. When you sign as an actor, you know there is going to be a sex scene and by contract you may be asked to show a naked part of your body (e.g. Back, breasts, half bust). If an actor who signed the contract refuses to do such scenes there may be problems for his/her/their employment. So the actor "has the agency" to bargain over the sex scene only before signing it and if the producer could choose another actor over this choice, especially if the role is minor/minor production. If the role has already been taken for years like rdj was for iron man, to the point the actor got a billionaire contract, the actor has more agency on the bargaining process over sex scenes aswell.

@sapphic.flower 8 ай бұрын

5:17 "add on swirling Gen Z discourse on if we even need sex scenes in TV and film at all" I think is worth investigating more into. Gen Z is exposed to hyper sexuality to a degree that no other generation has before. Our music, celebrities, teen shows, and pop culture has such a heavy emphasis on sex culture and pleasure that is *unrealistic* and patriarchal. A lot of gen Z's feel pressure to meet these standards of hyper sexuality, especially girls, and even if they didn't, their partners would for them. It also makes it worth pointing out how the raunchiest media right now are the ones that center around teenagers. Gen Z are probably just sick of adults sexualizing their bodies that feels almost inherent to sex scenes, especially when they just want to watch a fun or dramatic show/movie. Speaking for myself, sex scenes can be more than just annoying, it's upsetting, especially because the focus is usually on the female characters. We get enough of it in our daily lives and sex scenes (in poor taste) can just feel like someone holding up a mirror. It's not that sex scenes can't exist but that there's a lot of problems with it when it isn't handled with care, and it needs A LOT of care.

@custos3249 7 ай бұрын

I like how this is commonly cited, and we're all expected to agree because ads with shirtless men are common, yet the 60s, 70s, and 80s were all significantly more open sexually. Just more paranoid revisionist bullshit courtesy of 90s stranger danger.

@ewaewa463 5 ай бұрын

As a gen z myself, I wholeheartedly agree. Thank you for making this point.

@suikim9194 8 ай бұрын

6:11 this. Also sex scenes need to have something to do with the story. If it's just 'sex happens here because hot actors naked' then it gets very boring very quickly and I think people are very done with this. It's the same with a fight scene. If it makes sense for the story, the characters and advances the plot then good. It it doesn't then it's bad.

@chrissiem3958 8 ай бұрын

Listening to Lea Seydoux talk about filming her love scenes in Blue is the Warmest Color sounds genuinely awful. She and her co-star didnt want to do half of it, because to them, it felt dishonest and unnecessary, but their director basically corralled them into doing it. Sounds to me a lot like what Maria Schneider had to put up with in Last Tango in Paris: a hell of a lot of non consent....

@escabasket153 8 ай бұрын

Ughh I hate Last Tango in Paris for these reasons. It’s disgusting and the fact The Take added it as an intimate “sex” scene is laughable. Did you mean to say rape scene, The Take?

@kiriki4558 8 ай бұрын

@@escabasket153because that is what is meant to be in the film. If it was portraied as rape they would call it that.

@hinkhall5291 8 ай бұрын

*The sexiest MCU moment of all time was when Tony Stark asked Black Widow if she and Banner were playing: **_Hide the Zucchini_*

@witchingbrew3 8 ай бұрын

The most realistic love scene actually came from the thriller Don't Look Now!

@rejectionisprotection4448 3 ай бұрын

Yes, one of the few moving sex scenes ever filmed.

@talkingtochapri 8 ай бұрын

I have a problem with creepy ugly directors and productors who make unnecessary $ex scene to fulfill their desire. Like for example the Weekend lame show and those $ex scenes, cuties movie and movies like fifty shade grey or whatever the f that movie name is for mental unstable people. In my opinion, most of $ex scene are unnecessary.

@escabasket153 8 ай бұрын

Completely agree

@thegnome73 8 ай бұрын

The "ugly" part was totally unnecessary to your point. Ugly=/=bad. Creepy, objectifying, yes.

@rejectionisprotection4448 3 ай бұрын

@@thegnome73Actually, I don't think it is unnecessary. I think that some directors weren't popular with women when they were younger and are taking it out on (esp younger) women now. Ugly can mean in looks and/or character. Alfred Hitchcock was both for eg.

@DorotaGabal 8 ай бұрын

Obviously, speaking just for myself, and on my behalf, but I miss seeing true intimacy, and burning passion on screen. After all, movies for me are an escape from reality, or a wish fulfilment fantasy. That's the things I choose. And in a life that is more and more focused on making ends meet and keeping up at work from dusk till dawn, and having no real time, money, or bandwidth for forming genuine bonds, being able to live vicariously through characters on screen is exactly what I desire. Of course, there are valid stories that do not require this kind of focus at all, but for what I seek, in life, and in movies, is an intimate connection, something visceral, some passion, and the sexless era of the movies is quite depressing. If I wanna watch endless hours of no one getting laid, I can just focus on the majority of my own time.

@FeministCatwoman 8 ай бұрын

The movies that do these scenes well are so rare and few. And you're not the only one feeling this way, that's why a growing number of women have been reading "spicy" books, writing their own stories, or listening to audio narratives that cater to their demographic instead of centering creepy old men for once

@marijajanicijevic8211 8 ай бұрын

How about changeing your own life to be more interesting instead. Like porn is not a substitution for having sex or any kind of burning passion irl. It can just make you glued to screens instead of doing something fullfilling, makeing you miserable for not being that person later. Like I understand it's easier to be home comfortably in your chair no consequences, but you sound as a person who is desperate for pasionate life irl. STOP FUCKING HOLDING YOURSELF BACK AND ROTTING IN YOUR HOME-TO-JOB LIFE AND TAKE CONTROL OVER YOUR FATE.

@MaximumAxiom 8 ай бұрын

I'm not sure sex scenes were often handled well or romance in movies unless the movie was all about it. Hollywood got used to using sex scenes as a draw and feeling like they must check the box of adding a sex scene, but in the last 10 years they realized its not necessary. There's nothing wrong with romance and sex scenes but they just need to exist with a purpose and be handled carefully which means most movies can skip it. It seems like Hollywood is really risk adverse and cargo cult-y so the pendulum is swinging towards no romance right now, but I think they'll eventually find the middle ground.

@thasthar 8 ай бұрын

I think indie films are better able to navigate both films with explicit sex scenes and relationships that don't have that, like queer platonic relationship. Because it will explore the story, the characters better, it has more authenticity, and Hollywood doesn't have that as a priority. There relationship has no sex scene to sell more, sell to the whole family, but there is no connection either, there is no soul. Or there is a scene of sex, also to sell more, but instead of the family, for people to see in their homes, and it also has no soul or connection, it is very much in the male gaze, exploratory. The scenes in Euphoria (I know it's not a movie, but I think it's a good example), especially those in the second season, are like this. But "Woman on Fire" it not, has a soul. "Everything everywhere all on once" doesn't have one, and you see the connection of that wife and her husband, the complexity of that relationship. When artists are passionate about their project, we feel it when we are watching their work and I think this is the big difference, and it will have such an impact on a sex scene, as well as a kiss, when hands touch, looks exchange ("Carol" has a lot of this, a lot is said with looks in that film), scenes of joy, scenes of sadness... I don't know that Hollywood will learn from Indie, but I recommend we watch more indies anyway, especially when we're tired of the same formulas over and over again.

@MachiriReviews 8 ай бұрын

Sex scenes are always annoying for me. They never feel integral to the story, they always feel like “Oooooh here’s some boobies and stuff please don’t fall asleep haha”

@Puerco-Potter 8 ай бұрын

It usually informs the character, it doesn't have to progress the plot to be of value. Tender moments in general are usually "not integral" to a story, so remove hugs, kisses, tender looks, even most talks between characters, leave only the actions.

@carbine090909 8 ай бұрын

me too. When they linger, i look down or leave or fast forward.

@jesusjavierondo6774 8 ай бұрын

In don't look now sex is great and totqlly integrate to the story. So are in sex, lies and video tapes, nine and 1/2 weeks, coming home, etc.

@lucydonohue4919 8 ай бұрын

Always?? I understand how some of them are, but sex on screen being automatically assumed to be annoying, I feel like is indicative of being uncomfortable with sex in general.

@madbyinstinct 8 ай бұрын

@@lucydonohue4919I believe a lot of people don't want to feel aroused in public or near family members. So it becomes uncomfortable and seems unnecessary. It seems like the purpose of the movie and the expectation of the public is at odds. I want to see a movie about a scientific discovery that almost destroyed the world, I don't need to watch someone fckg in the middle of a trial just for shock value.

@bubblegumbitch2191 8 ай бұрын

I think sex scenes will come back but there will be less male gaze sexualisation and objectification and more focus on romance and intimacy through the female gaze the lens that sex scenes will be shown as will change

@muffridah8207 8 ай бұрын

That's still constrained by the suffocating binary, we really need to aim for urgently including the non-binary gaze and the trans-gaze.

@bubblegumbitch2191 8 ай бұрын

I agree we need more queer voices shown in scenes like that it is an unfair binary that I hope will change

@simplename80 8 ай бұрын

The handmaiden is not based on the male gaze..? I have to disagree

@ellaisplotting 8 ай бұрын

Like, I LOVE that film, but the sex scenes are horrendous. Insanely male-gazey and unrealistic. I'm a lesbian and when I discuss it with my friends we laugh at how ridiculous the supposedly sexy scenes are. Most of what they do wouldn't do anything at all, and the rest is downright uncomfortable to emulate.

@abdul2009 8 ай бұрын

I think the problem is that no one seems to do it (scenes involving more intimacy than kissing) properly. What they do can work sometimes - but not for most stories. The problem? They keep making it about sex.

@65g4 8 ай бұрын

Great video well done cant wait to see Poor Things

@morningstar8187 8 ай бұрын

I skipped every sex scene.

@EditioCastigata 8 ай бұрын

Hey, please list the movies you'ev referenced in the description or somewhere. 🙂

@SlayerNinaFriki 7 ай бұрын

My main issue with sex scenes is that 40s mediocre male actor banging a 20s actress way better than him both in their jobs and their characters. It's a real turn off for me

@DanaJaneWriter 8 ай бұрын

Thankfully more people will understand that sex is a natural and important part of adult life and therefore an important part of a storytelling. I love this quote - about adults that are turned into childreen by the strict codes and ratings. dont turn us into little kids, we can handle sex on screen, thank you very much

@thatonkgau5221 8 ай бұрын

Yeeeesss, thank you I completely agree

@Angi3_6 8 ай бұрын

From what I’ve seen, most people aren’t upset that sex scenes exist, just when it’s unnecessarily added to the story.

@maggierobertson2962 8 ай бұрын

That was from a documentary called "This Film is Not Yet Rated." It's fantastic.

@Puerco-Potter 8 ай бұрын

@@Angi3_6it informs character, a lot of stuff is not "needed for the story", yet people only make a fuss about sex. It makes you think that maybe they just don't like sex in stuff, and that is puritanism.

@carbine090909 8 ай бұрын

@@Puerco-PotterI am not fond of sex scenes. but I wouldn't call it Puritanical. It's more a matter of having privacy and modesty deeply ingrained. I mean, I just don't see naked people fondling each other in my everyday experience. People I know shut the door when they change clothes, shower, and have sex, so it's extremely jarring and uncomfortable to have an unobstructed view of it on screen for longer than it would take to look away.

@TheMalibuDar 8 ай бұрын

There's only two reactions an audience has with sex scenes, and both take the viewer out of the movie. The first is, wow, those two people are really having sex, which takes you out of the movie. The second is, hey, they're just actors pretending to have sex, which takes you out of the movie. The sexiest scenes are the build up to the sex scene. The slow burn. The actual sex scene is, by and large, anti-climatic, so to speak.

@samfilmkid 8 ай бұрын

There's a great interview with Paul Thomas Anderson from back in the day, like circa '97-'98, where he talks about, among other things, the difference between sex in porno films AND regular films in the 70's versus now. He brings up how interesting it would have been if there had been a sex scene between Tom Hanks and Robin Wright's characters in "Forrest Gump," not in an exploitative or freak show way, but in a way that reveals something about those two characters. That's what the best sex scenes always accomplish, is revealing character.

@Leifang12 8 ай бұрын

Sex scenes are great! But it needs to have relevance to the story! Sex is natural and should be a natural part of cinema !

@QuarterCoyote 8 ай бұрын

Hearing that the Scooby-Doo movie was at first suppose to be rated PG-13 makes me hate the movie even more. It's a kids cartoon.

@user-mb8rf7qk5q 8 ай бұрын

Glad this is a conversation actually. I do think there should be a little warning before sex scenes. Like a little red dot. Just give me a heads up so I can mute/FF if I want.

@pluto-qd2qu 8 ай бұрын

most sex scenes do nothing for the story and just seem like an exploitation of sexuality. in those cases it is totally unnecessary and should be cut. however, if a sex scene is well done, it shows us something about the characters, impacts the audience emotionally, or affects the story in some way; these scenes can be beautiful and impactful and not feel awkward or unnecessary.

@escabasket153 8 ай бұрын

The sex scene in The Terminator is an important part of the story and it is one of the only sex scenes I watched that feels like it truly belongs and moves the story along. Now, I can’t remember which 007 movie I watched, but it had Pierce Brosnan as Bond and the opening scene of the movie is a sex scene with him and then he gets a phone call and is talking on the phone while having sex and it was just so fucking stupid and annoying and distracting that I shut the movie off then and there and didn’t watch the rest and it actually made me hate all 007 movies from then on out. I refuse to watch any haha

@1Dispretty2me 8 ай бұрын

i thought there was a problem with over sexualization in hollywood

@DanaJaneWriter 8 ай бұрын

not anymore )

@Puerco-Potter 8 ай бұрын

Sexualization and sex are not the same, and sexualization and objectification are not the same either. You can have female characters with agency and a sexual life that comes across without having to ogle their blouses...

@ZyliceLiddell 3 ай бұрын

Oh I have no doubt that it’s hyper sexualised behind closed doors.

@elizrebezilmadommdo1662 8 ай бұрын

I don't see a point of having sex scenes. Regardless of how sexual a person is, I don't know a single person who doesn't think that sex scenes are awkward to watch or filmed in a cringeworthy way, especially when you're watching them with other people in the room. Plus, often times, they are completely unnecessary. I think that SENSUAL scenes are much better, because they're more tasteful. If you want to watch characters have sex, go watch porn, I guess.

@indomitusjane 8 ай бұрын

Ahh those awkward penguin moments 🐧😅... it's bad enough when you have to skip the scene because you have young children/siblings in the room and there was no forewarning of a gratuitous sex scene ahead, but being trapped in a movie theater seated next to your parent 😳 or back in the day the dreaded FF on VHS! 🤣

@FeministCatwoman 8 ай бұрын

So true. It seems most people can't do these scenes tastefully

@nalday2534 8 ай бұрын

Films aren't for you, then. Stop watching them

@escabasket153 8 ай бұрын

@@nalday2534oh shut up

@R_t-99 8 ай бұрын

There are scenes which were weird but some are really lovely. I am not American but media and films carry many things and presence of intimacy scenes confirms that intimacy is not dirty.

@Recontramojado 8 ай бұрын

I love your video essays. The Idol is so stupid.

@DariaElGrellPozina 7 ай бұрын

MCU's lack of romance and sex was really frustrating. It's such a big part of human experience that just gets thrown out in favor of action and violence First phase had fun pining with Steve & Peggy and Tony & Pepper. First one didn't work for obvious reasons (and then they also disregarded Peggy's entire arc with her own slowburn from her own (woman-centered) show they prematurely cancelled, both of which I'm still VERY mad about), second just devolved into coworkers with every movie and in the Endgame it didn't even feel like they liked each other. And then Tony's death seemingly affected Peter more than Pepper?? WandaVision felt like something building up in the Civil War, but then we just jump forward and they're together until they're torn apart forever. I haven't watched movies and shows past Endgame and Loki s1, but literally all the rest of the relationships in the MCU either devolve or reset or someone dies.

@andreathompson-bg4hl 8 ай бұрын

My grandmother always said movies are just sex and violence.

@RoninRen 8 ай бұрын

Look although it is within a spectrum, fact is, myself as an Asexual woman, who does enjoy dirty jokes, and is fine with the world with their "snuggling"(when people are together with others that aren't me, then I'm actually home free from it) would enjoy a world that doesn't peer pressure sex to the point that it becomes suffocating(truth is oversexualization is a form of a sexual oppression), and realistically I already know that desexualization has real dehumanizing consequences with it,

@a35362 7 ай бұрын

It makes sense, to me anyway, that superheroes wouldn't be having sex. They're all busy trying to save the world! They have stuff to do! Also, they're basically co-workers. I wouldn't want to be having sexual relationships with co-workers. To this end, it makes sense to me to see more non-sexual, platonic relationships in movies. It seems to me that we are seeing more women in important roles in movie story-telling: they're not there to be the hero's wife or girlfriend. This is more important to me than seeing sexy fun time in a movie. That's almost boring nowadays.

@peterDcontact 8 ай бұрын

I think the reason there are less sex scenes is because tv shows movies during yhe day and you can show sex movies at 2 o'clock in the middle of the day

@X-Warrior.1119 8 ай бұрын

I hope Hollywood takes some real notes?!

@Serpentqueenm22f 8 ай бұрын

Is it possible to tell a story without sex scenes? Is it just filler

@FuzzyKittenBoots 8 ай бұрын

I would disagree. American filmmakers just are not good at them. They are a good (ironically) show don't tell that can show a lot about a character or characters or the story.

@Puerco-Potter 8 ай бұрын

I would like to remove any scene that is not needed please, that moment two characters talk about their wishes? Gone. That hug when 2 lovers see each other again? Gone. Titanic would be a lot shorter without all the filler about those characters getting to know each other. The movie should start with the Iceberg. Or you don't think this is filler? Maybe you just think sex is icky and not like any other human activity... Maybe you are a puritan.

@SL-ze6su 8 ай бұрын

Exactly, most of them are in bad taste and eventually end up in korn sites. It serves no purpose

@archer1949 8 ай бұрын

There’s always Purflix. Hallmark. I don’t know, go ask your local Pastor Billy Bob Bad Touch. I’m sure he’ll have plenty of good wholesome Fundie suggestions.

@beethovensfidelio 8 ай бұрын

Yes. They’re called Disney animated movies.

@CaptainVideo1960 8 ай бұрын

I don’t detest sex but I detest sex scenes in movies, and especially in tv shows. Shows like For All Mankind which you watch with your kids, are in no way improved by them.

@sweetnaomi56 8 ай бұрын

Sex scenes are so unnecessary

@claudiabcarvalho 8 ай бұрын

Art is not about necessity

@Puerco-Potter 8 ай бұрын

Action scenes are so unnecessary...

@FeministCatwoman 8 ай бұрын

If the movie/story is not about relationships, then yeah, they're definitely unnecessary and usually cringy.

@nalday2534 8 ай бұрын

Why don't you just fucking open wikipedias and read the plot

@POKIWOKI3 8 ай бұрын

This is an American problem. In Germany it's normal to see naked people in television during the day or at prime time.

@Hallows4 8 ай бұрын

I don’t disagree, but there is a caveat: Story-wise, sex and nudity can be completely separate from each other, but in terms of assigning ratings they are often treated as interchangeable. Whether that view is uniquely American, I couldn’t say, but it would make an interesting topic for a different video.

@expansionpackdeluxe636 7 ай бұрын

True, they show nudity in those RTL trash shows.

@rejectionisprotection4448 3 ай бұрын

Nudity is normalised in Germany. I've watched a few German films recently and the treatment of sex and nudity is much more honest and matter of fact, which I prefer. However I've recently become quite bored of seeing yet another topless actress...........

@veronicajade20 8 ай бұрын

I think a lot of sex scenes are funny, not really sexy. I don't that that just b/c a sex scene is in a woman's movie that it's not gratuitous. I felt this way about Zola, which showed a bunch of penises in one scene. And I don't think sex scenes truly belong in PG 13 movies for children.

@happypappy507 8 ай бұрын

I’ve been watching horny indie films since I was 15 I’m happy it’s more common than taboo

@sainttrai 8 ай бұрын

Cinema reflects reality, people are getting married less, having fewer kids, so you can surmise people are having less sex in real life, which is why they dont want to watch it on film

@elizrebezilmadommdo1662 8 ай бұрын

Yes, because no one has sex outside of marriage or has it for any other purpose other than to have children. 😂

@rejectionisprotection4448 3 ай бұрын

But will do so online.

@sainttrai 3 ай бұрын

@@rejectionisprotection4448 Their is probably a component of privacy to it that makes it more acceptable when alone rather than in a crowded theater

@matthews7805 5 ай бұрын

If Hollywood isn't going to write sex scenes like the scene between Mickey Rourke and Lisa Bonet in Angel Heart from 1987, they shouldn't bother writing anything romantic at all.

@oliverford5367 8 ай бұрын

The MCU doesn't need explicit sex, but it needs romance. The characters need to be more than stoic superpeople who do nothing but shoot out lights. Give Captain Marvel a boyfriend! Have her be conflicted between her desire to be a superhero and her desire her a husband and babies. Make your strong female characters fully human, let them love.

@ellaisplotting 8 ай бұрын

Captain Marvel has a girlfriend, and they fully should have leaned into it more. She also has a husband, but that's strictly a business arrangement.

@oliverford5367 8 ай бұрын

@@ellaisplotting Does she? Doesn't look like there's anything romantic from the clips I've seen

@ellaisplotting 8 ай бұрын

@@oliverford5367 I watched the film yesterday, only a few hours before making that comment- it's not made explicitly obvious, but Valkyrie shows up and they have a protracted flirty exchange that ends with Valkyrie kissing Carol on the cheek with the words 'may we meet in more joyful times'. Valkyrie is confirmed queer, and as a lesbian myself it (along with how they framed Maria and Carol's relationship) was definitely a non platonic relationship. This is driven home even further by her interactions with her legal husband later on in the film, which has none of the intimacy or suggestiveness of the conversation with Valkyrie, and is far more practical despite both of the reasons they were there being time sensitive and important.

@Annihilated481 8 ай бұрын

Speaking of "limiting seats," almost all of these indie examples are gay movies for gay people.

@thefriesofLockeLamora 8 ай бұрын

Kayah!🎉🎉🎉🎉

@missj794 8 ай бұрын

The major studio movies (like marvel, etc.) want to sell to the highly censored Chinese market so they can't make their movies too racy.

@paisan8766 8 ай бұрын

Gen Z is so progressive about adult depictions in media they’re actually getting conservative.

@Willow-cw9te 7 ай бұрын

We don’t hate sex, we just hate bad sex and unnecessary sex. we prefer quality over quantity. I have literally stopped watching shows because the show thought a sex scene would replace the obvious lack of a plot. Nobody has a problem with sex as long as it adds something meaningful to the plot. But if it doesn’t, then what’s the point of it being there?

@paisan8766 7 ай бұрын

@@Willow-cw9te I don’t like gratuitous sex in media either, it has to be plot-driven. However, Gen Z seems to be generally prudish about it in general.

@escabasket153 8 ай бұрын

Why are you even putting in “Last Tango in Paris” as a “sex” scene? You meant to say actual rape scene, didn’t you? That actress was literally raped on screen.

@Genedide 8 ай бұрын

Will The Take ever cover the buffoonish husband trope? I also feel the same patient, always right wife is harmful in that it makes women seem flawless in contrast to men.

@diegodreossi1458 8 ай бұрын

👏👏👏👏

@jp.dlamini 8 ай бұрын

who's thinking to themselves "man I really miss sex scenes in movies" ??? weirdos, that's who!

@Puerco-Potter 8 ай бұрын

I know! Cruel intentions? Unfaithful? Eyes wide shut? All movies that could totally benefit from taking away sex. Only weirdos will enjoy those movies, it is not like those movies got any good reviews ever... There is a movie with a sex scene called Titanic, it is also terrible...

@Call-me-Al 8 ай бұрын

@@Puerco-Potter A hand on a steamy window is hardly graphic.

@OurBrainHurtsALot 8 ай бұрын

I have to be honest I... I didn't realize they were missing

@elizrebezilmadommdo1662 8 ай бұрын

@@Puerco-Potter Oh no! Seeing Rose's hand on the window was so sexual! ✋

@JuicySmellit-hr6ep 8 ай бұрын

Definitely indie films. 'Consensual Clam Slam Seven' and 'Load Bearing Throat Four' are blazing a sensuous, empowering new path.

@ZyliceLiddell 3 ай бұрын

Just read fan fiction or watch videos.

@samara5245 8 ай бұрын

Lo siento mucho pero call me bay your name no tiene escenas sensuales o eroticas, lo que hace el adulto es abusar del menor

@darcspeagal2 8 ай бұрын

Its line if thinking like this that make me feel we are lost as a people. This is all emotion with zero logic an imbalance of the human spirit

@fuhgetabatit1051 5 ай бұрын

Poor things is smut! It is pure smut!! Hollywood needs to end the sex obsession and y’all aren’t letting them!!

@ktownshutdown21 8 ай бұрын

That guy pointing out how we've reduced to children about this sort of thing is spot on. Especially the Red Pill/Incel community devolving from *only* wanting sexualized female characters from now getting squeamish at the very idea of some icky girl showing anything more than her ankles. It's actually hilarious, we could remake The Crucible as a documentary with how terrifed this generation is of sex, LOL Another problem is that kids these days are so drugged down on depressants like Xanax that everyone hates each other too much to be intimate wiith one another. Going from movies to music, who are all the biggest musicians these days; a buncha moody, low tempo sad bois and sad girls making songs about breakups and how the other side screwed them over. I couldn't possibly imagine someone like a Janet Jackson or Usher thriving if they were new today.

@escabasket153 8 ай бұрын

I disagree. I’m a millennial (born in 1987 and a woman) and I don’t really care for most sex scenes in movies. They always came off exploitative and jarring to me, especially if the movie wasn’t really hinting at a sex scene or it’s just added unnecessarily. I’ve only seen few movies that had a sex scene or scenes where I thought it worked in the movie and made sense. “Species” makes sense and so does “The Terminator” however, movies like “Last Tango in Paris” are super uncomfortable to watch because the actress that gets her ass raped with butter was actually sexually assaulted in that movie and it’s a real scene of someone being raped. That actress was traumatized the rest of her life and the director got away with it.