i keep seeing the same pattern in some subreddits when they mention her: self-righteous....which is weird. someone who tries to be honorable in how she carry herself as queen is self-righteous? lol

​@9razzler9 Yeah, I think that's crazy lol. but I guess can see what they're trying to say. Self-righteous in the way she carries herself by being honorable and putting herself second to duties. but I guess if you wanna go down that road, you have to go down ethics, principles, moralities, honor, and Duty... which is all a man-made construct. But I think generally speaking the majority of the world can somewhat agree on What is honorable and morally correct and what isn't.

But in all honesty, would a “good friend” marry your father? Pledge an oath to support your claim to the throne but in the end turn on that oath. I think your comment just proves it’s hard not to have a biased view when discussing this story.

​@@sethh1943A friend who obey her father and even after rhaenyra left she was supporting rhaenyra. Until Vesris said ageon will unite the kingdom. How is alicent supposed to know he was talking about the prophecy. If she really believed that Vesris wasn't talking about thire ageon why would she defend rhaenyra against the council. Why will she be freaking out. Why will she even tell ageon not to kill rhaenyra

If I were mother to two obvious psychopaths, I would simply not allow either of them to get anywhere near the levers of power.

Wait, I thought there was rumor of Rhaenyra and Laena being "involved" together at times...

@@thalmoragent9344 Rumors + theories. Plus you can be gay and say homophobic shit. Rhaenyra is a massive hypocrite - consider her comments about Nettles and other bastards about their innate nature while she herself has three of them.

@perseusveil9376 Yeah, that's also very true. I can't WAIT to see if she says that in the show 😅 won't that be something? Really curious to see how it all goes honestly, as I'm sure you are as well

@@thalmoragent9344 I am! But nah, they would never allow her to say fucked up shit haha specially because Nettles will be black. She was super classist with her, you can even argue that she was racist. Not going to happen, Show Rhaenyra is a flawless angel.

Things in books are said by the maesters. Things in the show is shown by GRRM🙏🙏

if they're going by mushroom's account on things, which is the only source where aegon is said to be a rapist and sadist, then they gotta at least put in all the horrible shit about rhaenyra or anyone on the mold cluster

Rhaenyra raped Criston, and Jaime raped Cersei once, but fans still love Rhaenyra and Jaime. It’s not that irredeemable for a character to be a rapist. Only difference is people loved those two characters before they even did the raping. The way we’re introduced to adult aegon, he is shown as a rapist pretty early on, so that’s how people will remember him for a while

All that stuff is from the books

so are the otger horrendous thing rhea does but they nit picked to make aegon worse.​@@equusquaggaquagga536

@@equusquaggaquagga536 his character is not faithful to the books at all

Yeah, that's right. I think you might be talking about my previous video, though 😆 But still, thank you for watching and liking the content. 💯 P.S. I think that on the show, they reduced Rhaenyra's ruthless ambition almost absolutely, and they replaced it with a sense of duty towards her father and his prophecy (A Song of Ice and Fire). It's a nice tie-in to the books, but it gives her character a lot less agency in my opinion. I might do a video on that as well at some point, just to delve a bit into that topic. Subscribe and stay tuned for that future content. 😉

@@thecriticalmaester9702 I just wished the show stayed as close as possible to the original tae and its characters . Dance of the dragons was my favorite I&F lore story . I know most people who comments about this show are huge fans , I comment because i would have wanted to be a huge fan but got disappointed by all the plot changes

@@eglantinepapeau1582 Yeah, me too. There are some changes on the show that I actually really liked, but there were a lot more of them that I really really hated. I'm on the same boat as you - they should've tried to stay as close to the source material as possible. I respect Ryan Condal for trying, but Dave & Dan did the same thing too at the beginning of Game of Thrones, and then they started to deviate further and further until eventually the story became unrecognizable. I hope that the same thing won't happen with this show, because the story in the book is perfect as it is (in my opinion). 🤷‍♂

@@thecriticalmaester9702 that's right , these screenwriters nowadays think they can do "better" than authors like Tolkien or RR Martin, lol . as a consequence they are now being made fun of as they should .

Wow, dude. You are so stupid. Alicent is very intelligent and she has a lot of agency. Nobody can manipulate her by the time we get to Episode 6.

I'll be making a video on that in the future...

So you mean you find GRRM, the author weird??? Coz it is him who made them do that. How stupid can you be to challenge the author himself😆🤣

​@@musiclover9518yes we find that weird in the book too

That's beyond weird I agree, makes totally no sense. Also, it's the idea that she is putting them through unnecessary suffering when Rhaenyrs could have said that Laenor was still alive. I also didn't like when Rhaenys had a go at Alicent about "serving men" when she pretty much does the same thing herself. There are a number of choices which make little sense, in the way they've gone about things.

​​@@663lotty i think Rhaenyra telling the truth would have been worse for her, if they knew they all did that so she could marry Daemon, Rhaenyra had to propose marriages AGAIN to gain them back as allies, if she didnt she would have lost them or at least they would have remained neutral. Rhaenys telling Alicent that made 0 sense to me after how she ask her husband to make Baela heir and he refuses becase he wants Luke as heir, she later defends his husband desires in front of viserys so she's trapped in the same system alicent it is.

This genuinely makes her one of my most hated Targs. She's reached a new level of self importance and entitlement, which says a lot considering her competition in the family.

That’s actually what I love about the show. Is that Rhaenyra isn’t perfect or without fault and lied to the king, which is treason.

They wanted her strong, independent, sympathetic, good. But They made her fking retarted and hypocrite. I couldn't watch the show too.

No her father named her his heir . there is a big difference.the rule was changed by king as in real history

I read the book, and I watch the show . I'm also black supporters. But it has nothing to do with Dany. I hated the Greens in the book, and I never understood their support. I also hate the Greens in the show.

I haven't read the books so knew nothing about any of the characters prior to watching the show. And after watching the show I'm a black supporter. It's nothing to do with being bias, people are going to like certain characters whether other people like them or not. Being ok with people supporting the greens but not the blacks is just hypocrisy

@@rosita3528 you missed the entire point of the video. It's not about whether it's OK to like the blacks or greens. The point of the video is that the show takes a slant towards liking the blacks while the book narrative gives a more nuanced viewpoint. In the show, its a clear case of black (no pun intended) and white but in the book there are so many shades of grey, that's the whole point. There is nothing hypocritical in wanting the on-screen portrayal to stay true to the original narrative

@@truetory6231 like I said, I haven't read the books but so many book readers post spoilers everywhere so what I do know is thar in the books Daemon didn't kill his wife because he was at the stepstones, and Aemond killing Lucerys wasnt an accident and they made Alicent less evil. So in the show, the made Daemon kill his wife, they made Aemond killing Lucerys an accident and the made Alicent more sympathetic. So no I don't think the show is completely bias towards the blacks

@@rosita3528 the show also made Rhaenyra far more sympathetic in the show than in the books whereas Aegon is turned from a ladies man in the books to a rapist in the show, that was most definitely an unnecessary change designed for one purpose only.

I agree. I should probably do a video on that soon. 🤔

​@@thecriticalmaester9702yes please because I always say this! Loved Rhaenyra when she was young but older Rhaenyra just seems so not Rhaenyra like I cannot explain it

Rhaenyra became a mother. Motherhood changes women.

@@faegotte Not THAT dramatically though

She is and it’s literally shown. She just outwardly is presenting more as what she’s expected to be.

Even Aemond feels odd on the show as he is arguably one of the least redeemable Green's in the books, but seems to be the most redeemable out of the Green's on the show, despite being the one who technically begins the war. (excluding Helaena of course, everyone loves her)

Incredibly sympathetic in the show.

the queen that never was is a compliment for rhanenys but a insult to the smallfolk

I'm Team Rhaenyra i don't blame her for what she did what the greens put her threw stealing her thrown that her father named her his heir n 2nd in line when he dies n they betrayed her n allicent son murdered her son

@@MICHAELMYERS37 right I’m not understanding why they don’t get it? Her brother killed her son? And another brother usurped her, although he was put up to it by his mother

Thank you for watching. ♥

Can you share the link, pls?

@@yasmina3999 Here is what i had written : title : The showrunners don't want you to side with the greens or to think that they are the rule of law and order. I. Beyond the Bastards: Rhaenyra's Claim to the Throne Though the show emphasized the illegitimate status of Rhaenyra Targaryen's sons as a weakness in her claim to the throne, it neglected to address whether her ascension was legally justified by any means. Rhaenyra's claim is problematic, as it relies on the desires of her father rather than any established laws or precedents. If the lords of the seven kingdoms were unwilling to support the stronger claim of Rhaenys due to their adherence to tradition and their preference for a male heir, then it is doubtful that they would rally behind Rhaenyra, who not only has a weaker claim but also appear to be putting the stability of the realm in danger by planning to get obvious bastards on the throne. The oaths of fealty that they swore to Viserys, taken in the absence of a trueborn son, hold little weight compared to centuries of traditional practices. The fact that they later assumed a loss of status for Rhaenera after the birth of Aegon further illustrates this point. II. Is there a limit to Royal Authority in Westeros? The show failed to adequately clarify the extent of the king's power to alter laws of succession that helped him ascend to the throne. Viserys stated: “Even I do not exist above tradition and duty”, implying that he does not hold sway over the customs and is bound to fulfill his duties as king. However, we have also heard him say: ”I did not decide the name Rhaenyra my heir on a whim”, suggesting that he is powerful enough to select his successor. These two contradictory statements live the audience unsure about the method of succession and are reasons why many of them believe that Rhaenyra is the rightful heir only because Viserys chose her. When it comes to succession, the Great Council established precedent. If a king's decrees hold absolute authority, what is the value of a king's decree alongside the written order of the entire feudal realm? If a king ignores precedent, the following questions arise to guard against tyranny: is this reversal whimsical? Is the king considering the consequences? Do the parties that established the precedent approve? Did the king come to power through this same precedent? The answers to these questions reveal that only through the Great Council can we view Viserys's decision as dangerous, not due to the issue of male versus female succession, but due to the potentially arbitrary nature of the nobility's allowance of the king's authority. It is safe to say that either the showrunners overlooked this crucial aspect of the story despite it being a key factor in the Greens' justifications and the same factor that ironically brought Viserys to power or they chose to retcon it for the benefit of their audience. The doctrine of exceptionalism is enough evidence to believe that Westeros is not entirely at the mercy of their king's wishes and desires. The king in a feudal society such as Westeros is powerful only when he is supported by the ruling entities of his kingdom. There is a limit to his power. III. The Importance of Jaehaerys’s Great Council Jaehaerys the conciliator played a crucial role in establishing the legal order and stability of the Targaryen royal project and the feudal consensus in Westeros. He was known for his wisdom and fairness and worked to reconcile differences between various factions within the realm. He was a skilled politician and diplomat and was able to maintain peace and stability throughout his long reign. Viserys, by comparison, pales in comparison to the esteemed reputation of Jaehaerys. His calling of a great council, composed of the lords and nobles of the Seven Kingdoms, to discuss the matter of succession set a precedent that shaped the ascension to the throne. “The Iron throne could not pass to a woman or to a male descendant through a woman”. No matter how unfair this may sound, it is the standing backed by the nobles of Westeros. A mistake we often make is trying to see Westeros by choosing our world as a reference. It is only by looking at Westeros through the eye of Westerosi people that we may make sense of the things happening on that continent. Male primogeniture preference has been their norm, their tradition. If Andal law is refuted by some recalling the fact that Targaryens aren't Andals, not all of Westeros follow Andal law …., the Great Council however cannot have the same treatment because of its representativeness of an entire ruling class, it is the lords who voted for an heir. Verily, until the way of succession is altered by a similar council or a written law approved by all of the entities of Westeros, it shall remain as set forth by the Great Council. VI. The Removal of Alicent's Motives, the Obsession with Rhaenyra. It is worth noting that in the book, Alicent was not a childhood friend of Rhaenyra; rather, she was a young friend of the Old King Jaehaerys, whom she would read stories to him as he lay dying. The decision to change the character of Alicent from being a friend of Jaehaerys to a friend of Rhaenyra was a subtle but significant alteration to her character. It meant that Alicent could no longer refer back to her childhood or to the service she rendered to Jaehaerys for precedent and justification for her actions; she could only look to Rhaenyra. This meant that everything Alicent did from that point on would be based on Rhaenyra, and her character would therefore not be independent of the princess. This is why many have shipped Alicent and Rhaenyra as a romantic couple on social media; the writers effectively reduced Alicent to the role of a junior lover in a cheap romance, rather than allowing her to develop into a fully realized political agent in her own right. V. The Sabotage of the Greens The showrunners have demonstrated an inability to effectively convey the complex political motivations of the characters in the Dance of the Dragons. They have eliminated the political framework and context that defined the factions in the conflict, ignoring crucial issues such as Targaryen exceptionalism, the rights of the nobles, the rights of precedent, and the plight of the common people (so far). They have even erased 90% of the Stepstones, a key event in Daemon's career and mindset. By focusing the show on Rhaenyra, they have effectively cast it from her perspective, rendering the Greens as traitors to the audience and the script. This has led to the portrayal of Daemon as 'dangerous, but cool' and Aemond as a maniac, while legalistic arguments are only considered in relation to their benefits for Rhaenyra. The Green Council, which in the book was a re-cast of the Great Council a generation earlier, debating many of the same issues and repeatedly referencing the precedents and rulings of Jaehaerys, is presented in the show as an obsession with denying Rhaenyra's claim solely because she is a woman. Instead of debating law, Otto debates murder. Instead of championing her sons, Alicent champions Rhaenyra. Instead of executing Beesbury after hours of him filibustering and obstructing proceedings, Ser Criston accidentally bonks his head on the table in a sudden fit of rage just seconds into Beesbury's opening speech. The Greens are effectively doomed from the start of the show, with only Rhaenyra being seen as important and relevant to every person on the continent, even though in the book she was actually the plight of the underdog. This focus on a single character as being so central and significant to every aspect of the story is the primary error of the show, and it began in Episode 1 - or even earlier, when the showrunners failed to fully engage with the source material. As a result, political complexity is impossible in the show, and this problem will only worsen in future seasons. VI. What Can We Expect for the Future Without either a strong framework for political complexity or a strong sense of relativity in character writing, it is unlikely that the show will improve upon these flaws in future seasons. Season 2 is likely to exacerbate these problems significantly. The Green Council and the years preceding it were the times when the Greens honed their finest arguments and developed their character arcs. Everything that comes after is not about Otto, Alicent, or Aegon making arguments, but rather about defending the conclusions they have already reached. The only conclusions that are presented for the Green side as the war begins in the show are that "women can't rule, patriarchy, Alicent is still obsessed with Rhaenyra, Aegon is a rapist but Otto doesn't care because he's Littlefinger lite." Overall, the plot of the show is not salvageable, it failed the Greens before even the start of the dance. And while the battles may provide some interesting and spectacular CGI television, there will be little to hold viewers' conflicted about which side to root for. With the killing of the greens' legal arguments, it is clear that their efforts to seize the throne render them the antagonists of the story, regardless of any subsequent offers of peace. The blacks, on the other hand, are portrayed as reacting to aggression while seeking to avoid war, making them the heroes in the eyes of the audience. The show's portrayal of the Dance of the Dragons (so far) falls short in its representation of the complexity and nuance of the source material. Rather than delving into the depths of the story, it reduces the narrative to a superficial and oversimplified depiction, primarily the purpose of spectacle and the heroification of Rhaenyra Targaryen as a "Dany 2.0”. House of the Dragon could have been a more well-rounded and complex adaptation of the Dance of the dragons.

@@me-fm8nl great text, thank you. 💗

Yes, please link it!!!

They will surely do a Rhaenyras fall arc. For the redemtion of the greens however there are not enough time or material, I doubt that they will try to do it. And about Daemon... he is already shown a worse person than he is in the books, so you do not need to make him look bad more.

@@thedoomofvalyria6466 I agree with you on the Rhaenyra's "fall arc" part. She already had that Daenerys "Dracarys look" in her eyes in the last shot. However I never really used the word "redemption" in reference to the Greens. All I said is that they tried to make us hate their side all season long (in season 1) and instead root for Rhaenyra's. But I believe in later seasons they're bond to make us 'sympathize' with them a little bit. I mean they just LOVE to emotionally confuse us on that show 😂 As for Daemon, yes, I agree with you also, I think they've already successfully established that he's a really complex character, in season 1, and I don't think this is really ever going to change for him for the remainder of the show.

I really hope so!!

Lol the lannisters were still pretty bad

Cersei was. Jaime had a Herculean redemption arc.

Maybe, it's unpopular opinion, but yes, I do root for Cerseu. The only person who in patrirchal world that has right to question child's parentage is legal father. Neither Laneor nor Robert ever denounced their children. In eyes of law, those kids are legitimate. So, yeah, I support Cerceis' children claim. I think it was very dumb and unjust from Ned and Stannis, they try act and usurp throne. Joffrey should be overthrown but because hewas terrible person and tyrant, not becuase of his alleged legitimacy. You cannot prove someone is bastard in this world, a stehre is no genetic tests. Only father can denounce child - Robert is dead and Laneor acknowledge children. If I would read story of Stannis in historical book I would think he is envious uncle who tried stole his nephews throne, not that his claim is stronger". Tommen or Myrcelle should get crown, not Stannis. Finally, even if you think Velaryon boys heritage is dubious, Rhaneyra still has two legitimate sosn - so if ANYOEN is to question older boys legitimacy, it's ONLY their younger brothers. Not whole other branch.

@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Robert Baratheon doesn't have to denounce his child when we have outsider knowledge of who actually is a true born baratheon, you are taking Cersei's side in a purely contrarian stance, not an objective one By the Kingdoms own laws and Gods, Joffrey is illegitimate

@@Jostyy By Kingdom Law, Joffrey and his siblings are legitimate, as they were acknowledged as such by Robert. None can prove otherwise, as making genetic test is impossible. Theer ar emany Royals whose legitimacy were questioned, but they were acknowledged by their father so they bore father's surnames. As Corlys said: "History does not remember blood. It remembers names".

@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 but we are talking as outsiders judging a story we have full knowledge of We KNOW Joffrey is illegitimate and so why would you root for an illegitimate King? Or Cersei who wants to keep him there for very self serving goals Unlike history, we have this story laid out to us and are given the information of who is right or wrong We judge them externally, outside of the world of ASOIAF trying to reframe this as "well we wouldn't know in world!" Completely ignored the context of the video we are commenting on and what my comment was about When we have the information shown who is legitimate or not, to chose to root for the illegitimate is just purely of contrarian nature since people in general lean towards what's Fairer or Just

@@Jostyy First of all - I am NOT rooting for Joffrey as person. I am rooting for his siblings. Second - and do you think that Stannis conisdered himself martyr because he had to now becoming Kings instead of doing whatever he was doing till now??? Stannis was just ambitious as Cersei. He wanted crown because he was selfish and power hungry. I am on law side - and from law side we don't have nothing against Cesrei's children. Were they acknowledged by Robert? Yes. Had he renounced them? No. Is there any possible way to prove they aren't legitimate? No, there isn't. So case is CLOSED. Everyone hates Joffrey because he is terrible human being, but what if Joffrey was kind and caring individual, loved by people and Stannis was ambitious brute? (I mean - he was, he burnt alive his own daughter, and not only her, but whatever.) If Joffrey was kind person, people would cheer for him. But he isn't and Cersei loves her brother, so people view them as deviant. But I ownder what if Joffrey was kind and Jaime wasn't her brother... In eyes of law they are Baratheons. Thta's all what matters. Stannis is here selfish usurper. Cersei is also selfish - but she at least has law at her side. And she doesn't burn her children on her lovers demand.

Exactly! Everything you wrote here is spot on, in my opinion. 🙌🏾

They are trueborn kids since Viserys, Laenor, and Corlys considered them as such.

​​@@Chasingdreams25None of the 3 would admit otherwise because by doing it, would mean admitting Rhaenyra commited treason, that's why they're passing them as Laenor's 'trueborn kids' even when they know its not.

"The Brady Bunch and the Addams family" lol 🤣💀 Totally agree with you, though.

There's a ton of bias from the writers for individual characters too. We all know the clear bias for Team Black but for instance they make Aemond a bit better in the first season than his book version but it's only bc the writers themselves liked Aemond and more specifically the actor playing him so they're more lenient. But the other Green characters? Well, they give Aegon hardly any scenes or show anything characterization like how he has one of the strongest bonds of any Targaryen with dragon Sunfyre and the scenes he does show up in are only to make him the evil villain. Same with thing done to Otto. For Helaena, they give her no characterization or humanizing scenes. Not even with her kids which is already undermining the attachment the viewers should have for her and her children when B&C happens. Alicent is a bit of both. In some regards they make the audience sympathize with her but in others they remove a lot of her reasonings that were present in the book. Namely she supports Aegon in the books because she feels by law that his birthright is being stolen in addition to being fearful of his life. However the show completely removes most of Team Greens political justifications for why they're going with Aegon. Instead Alicent in the show is mostly portrayed to be motivated mainly by Rhaenyra not being her friend anymore and lying to her about sleeping around

They aren't "equally justified". Rhaneyra is heir and ONLY her claim is justified. Aegon is usurper who took crown not because she was a bad ruler, but because she wasn't a man.

“Equally justified”??????????

Im not sure that the green side was justified in seeking succession claims even in the book.

Totally agree.

The one saving grace I think will be the actor playing him. I thought in episode nine he was excellent when he did the walk down and displayed the emotions he felt, for actually feeling supported, instead of being manipulated. I can't wait to see what he does with Aegon going forward.

In book Laenor for sure is dead, but Corlys and Rhaneys still support Rhaneyra. They had no other choice - none can proove Rhaneyra anything and all of their grandchildren (both biological and legal) are on Rhaenyra's side. By suuporting Rhaenyra, Corlys and his wife are protecting their remaining family members. It does not matter wheter Laenor is dead or who really disposed him - Jacaerys, Joffrey, Baela and Rhaena are alive and are supporting Rhaenyra, so grandparents had to also be.

the worst thing was Killing an innocent servant ai think 😅

@@HatsuneChiko Agree (though I want personally believe this man did some shady things and that's why Laenor and Daemon chose him 😅😅).

​@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518why would you think that? They probably choose the one that was most indefends

@@andorea11 This whole situation is poor writing. Choosing random person doesn't really have much sense and also doesn't fit show-Rhaenyra personality and personality of Laenor. She just said "you are honourable man with goood heart". And this "good man" would really despose some innocent? I like to believe this guy who was put in his place was for example political spy or something and that's he was chosen - because he would be killed anyway. Instead of execution he simply got broken neck.

Makes total sense. I agree with you in that I felt the same way. I was Team Black in the beginning, but then I started to see all of the crazy things that Rhaenyra and her faction were doing. Even when you read the books it's kinda obvious that Rhaenyra was not competent nor did she carry herself like the queen that she wanted to be. She's a spoiled princess who has a lot of entitlement issues. She wants the throne but she doesn't realize that it comes with a lot of responsibilities, duties and an adherence with the rules. Rather, she is a rule-breaker and she doesn't care about custom, tradition, duties, nothing. So, even though I can understand the plight of a young woman feeling oppressed by a patriarchal and misogynistic society like Westeros, I just don't think that she was the best person to put forward as a candidate for the monarchy. The only true reason why I lean more towards The Greens is because, even though Aegon is incompetent himself, the people who serve him are very competent and effective. They have experience governing well and they can potentially mold him into being a better ruler. There's nothing in the book that suggests that Aegon II was mad or incapable of learning. He probably drank a lot, yes, but it always seemed to me like the true masterminds behind his reign were his mother, his grandfather, and Ser Criston Cole. Say what you want about all these people, but they did rule well, and they ultimately gave the Seven Kingdoms peace and plenty. The Blacks cannot boast he same.

Me too. But the narrative is still very biased against them.

@@thecriticalmaester9702but do you like the at least

@@Psychoshell Yeah, definitely. This channel is dedicated to them - is in support of the Green side. For me, they are far more fascinating characters (perhaps with the exception of Daemon from the Black faction).

Can't wrapp my head around it 🤮🤮 Can't understand how anyone can thinks Aegon was proper material to be ruler.

​@@thecriticalmaester9702In the books the green's king seemed like a decent person definitely not outright evil at least so I understand why you'd support them using the books versions but the greens in the show are absolutely terrible in every way shape and form their is no redeeming qualities that even come close to the blacks side, so I don't understand how you could be on their side if you are referring to the shows version.

I agree. I blame the state of the world. This is more a product of its time than anything else in my opinion.

Yea agreed, they fell into the “strong female lead” trap. By wanting the woman to be stronger and better than everyone else they end up making a flat character that’s less interesting than they might have been.

i hate it even more when it's the older men around them that want war. i just know the writers are thinking that it makes it seem like men are savages, but it's just the men calling these women stupid. and they are. and they're not supposed to be

Exactly. Rhaenyra was way more bloodthirsty in the book. Alicent was also more cunning and politcally savvy but she only wanted to fight to keep her kids alive. Rhaenyra fought because she thought she was entitled to the throne. Rhaenys wasn’t featured as much as Rhaenyra and Alicent but she was also more than willing to fight.

@@eeyun5279which might be why the audience is more interested in Daemon or Aemond. Nobody likes boring characters. Daemon, Aemond, and even Cole are more interesting than the female leads.

GRRM has said that anything good said about Aegon II is propaganda

​@@equusquaggaquagga536 his opportunity seeker a good ass trait lets no act like she didnt want aemond to be tortured for saying the truth but never punish luke for jumping aemond and taking his eye black propaganda is all in this show green supremacy

*The sort who doesn't want to see his sons and brothers dead.*

If I were to guess, I'd say that the purpose of keeping it a secret would be to not cause panic? Also, a lot of people might not believe them if they did tell the secret openly, and they'll probably just end up turning on them, thinking that they're absolutely crazy. People don't want to be led by someone that they believe to be mad. So it's best to keep your dreams and prophecies to yourself, rather than to tell everyone at the risk of looking insane. Lol. 😅🤷🏾‍♂

Thank you! 😄

Nothing good about supporting envious bitter queen and man who assaults women.

Great you admitted you are misogynist.

she wishes she was maegor. at least he got shit done and left an actual legacy

@@femalegays Yeah. The Faith Militants were weird fanatics who started a war because one Targaryen Family continued the tradition of incest. At least the faith militant were toned down by the book High Sparrow who punished Cersei for her sins.

Then he poisoned Aegon and put Rhaenyra son on the throne

Since the moment of Aegon being a rapist there is no return, it was a poor decision especially bc he is the face of the green team, such a shame

​@@andorea11people just hate the greens. there's so many rapists in got, yet people adored drogo and jaime. if aegon wasn't a rapist in the show, people would still site mushroom's account. they do it anyways to say he's a pedophile too.

​@@andorea11Well considering he also does a bunch of horrible shit on Fire and Blood, and the conflict is often better described and known as "The Princess and The Queen" and that most of the political shitshow happened before he was born/when he was a toddler, it makes sense that he would get little characterization, you need to set up all the players that had been around 14-17 years before Aegon was even born, specially all the stuff Rhaenyra was getting up to at the time, but considering how brief his life is, and that he isn't exactly a competent monarch in his brief time, and that he feeds his sister to a dragon in front of his nephew, who is like 5 at the time, I don't think Aegon was ever gonna be seen as justifiable or good, which is fine because very early on he is taken out of the fighting and incapacitated anyway, The real figurehead and important figure within the greens is Alicent (Who is like one of like 4 people who survive this nonsense) and Aemond to a lesser extent considering he is regent while Aegon is injured, but Aemond gets up to some shit even worse and more psychotic than Aegon or Rhaenyra, but season 2 will inevitably show one of the biggest flaws of Rhaenyra as a monarch which is her growing paranoia that leads her to make enemies out of allies like Cersei, I think the show is all about how people like Alicent and Rhaenyra through living tragedy after tragedy find themselves amidst a war neither one wanted, the cost of war on women and all since the show is mostly through the perspective of women, and I imagine we will get some of this through Helaena as well, since I hope she doesn't get as shafted as she did in the books. The Greens and The Blacks both get up to some truly unforgivable shit, but I don't think actions like the murder of Luke or the Blood and Cheese incident can be seen as the acts of the entire group when each has or will have a particular character instigating it, and I actually think the Blacks genuinely seem better at this point in time in the show because they also seemed better at this point in time in the books, if anything Alicent looks WAAAAAAY better in the show than she does in the books, not conspiring for years to usurp Rhaenyra and not wishing that she dies in childbirth, or any of the vile shit Accounts Claimed she did or said during the Dance.

You didn't watch the show properly or read the Book properly. The greens are absolutly hatefull in the Books. They are more grey here and overall the characters are more complexe and grey

@@romainchambard4399 "You didn't watch the show properly or read the Book properly."

Same with making her a)Not have Laenor murdered to open herself for marriage(while Alicent is complicit in the elder Strong's deaths thanks to an offhand comment to Larys "Clubfoot"). b)Not being the one to order Velaryons brother dead because he called her children bastards, unlike the book, and her being grossed out by it(because she's sooooo perfect and not at all wrong ever, right?) c)Treating it like Aemond was in the wrong for his cousins attacking and dogpiling him, with him defending himself accordingly, because "he called my kids names!"(Still hate that she treats Alicent like SHE was being unreasonable).

A lot of bias is people is they prefer Starks over Lannisters. People loathe Lannisters.

I agree with you: we need more channels in support of the Green faction - or at least channels that make arguments which showcase their perspective. I’m still working on more videos like that (lol) 😆 However, I would also recommend the channel ‘Hill’s Alive’ because she can also give some refreshing insights about the Green faction, and she partly inspired me to start this channel. Anyway, thank you for watching the video and I hope you stay tuned for more content ❤💯

More of a girl-boss, huh? Only so many things from the book can be hand waved away as propaganda or false but one thing that is just a fact is that Rhaenyra did not really participate in dragon battles. I'm also dubious about them being more favorable to the Greens in s2 and even if they were how would they make that happen when they've already done the damage and firmly set the audience against them?

Why does it bother you that people support the blacks but you have no issue with people who support the greens? It's a little hypocritical. People will like whatever character they like. You don't need everyone to agree with what you think/feel

@@rosita3528 It doesn't bother me lol. You can support whoever you like. I'm just saying that the show is obviously bias. What bothers me is that the Greens are actively being demonized in order to make the Blacks look better. Why? Why not just show the good and bad of both sides?

​@@thecriticalmaester9702why not just show the good and bad of both sides??? COZ what the show tells us is maybe what truly happened and the books' facts maybe were distorted on account of the third person rumors. U dont question the facts of the show when GRRM, the author himself is the showrunner. He shows. We watch.

But most of what you've just said proves the bias that I'm talking about. Rhaenyra's character is whitewashed to make her more empathetic to the audience, and her more troubling characteristics are almost erased entirely from the story. Alicent is also empathetic to a degree, I'll admit that, but the difference is that with her the show doesn't remove any of her flaws. She is as wicked as she was in the book, but it is just presented in a different light. On the show, we see that Alicent was mostly being manipulated by her father, but still she is presented as a wicked character - in some ways, she is more evil than she was in the book.

@@thecriticalmaester9702 and in other ways she’s more sympathetic than the book. In the book she was in on the scheme to crown Aegon from the jump. But in the show she wasn’t. Seems like they whitewashed everyone except Aegon & I was looking forward to the green council meeting but I hate they cut it short.

@@thecriticalmaester9702 I would add that, as far Rhaenyra's characterization in the show goes, there's still time for her to become the ruthless person she is the book, especially after the deaths of her children considering that's what hardens her the most. You say the show is biased towards the blacks, but that doesn't mean it'll stay that way, it's only the first season. Even if she started off the first season a lot more whitewashed than we would've liked, there's no way she'll stay that way for the rest of the show. I still have hope that at some point she'll say that line from the book, "Tell my half brother that I will have my throne or I will have his head" lol

I think that's exactly right.

I agreed, i don't excuse Aegons actions but i think the showrunners introducing him for the first time time a drunk rapist was made with the purpose of him being disliked so people believe that being on the green side means you support that, what he did its wrong but i do think first introductions matters because thats how the audience will perceive them, Daemon hows done a lot of things wrong yet the audience seeing as this cool character.

You and me both.

​@@thecriticalmaester9702 me as well. most black rhaenerya fans I've come across are too headstrong and believe she is all good and deserves the throne and that she does nothing wrong.

​@@thecriticalmaester9702 i also hated how they ruined Ser Criston Cole's character.

How exactly Rhaneys doesn't makes sense? She is woman who was suppose to be heir, but was rejected by lords, so she accapted her status as lady-wife. And then she watched her cousin-once-removed becoming heiress, so she is both bitter and realistic of this: she says to Rhaneyra people will expect her half-brother to be heir, and that is true. You can see she might envy Crown Princess, but even if so - she is also right about realm favouring Rhaneyra's brother. She also thinks that Rhaneyra's husband (whoever he will be) and their children will be at risk after Visery's death (which also becomes true). In episode 9 Rhaneys is impressed all thing Alicent did to usurp throne, yet she remarks that irony is Alicent could seized throne if she wanted, but she never wil because she knows only how to serve men (which is true). Finally in episode 10 Rhaneys sees Rhaneyra as promisisng ruler and she also sees that Velaryons are bonded with Rhaneyra wheter they want it or not, through their grandchildren (both biological and legal). So she convince Corlys to sides with Rhaneyra I don't see where what she says "doesn't make sense".

The problem with taking flaws away from Rhaenyra is it makes her far less interesting and Daemon more interesting altogether. The best written characters are always the ones written with flaws that you can emphasize with.

aegon was a lot better in the book, in the book he was seen as creepy by those close to him but the public loved him in the show they needed to give people a reason to hate the greens so they made him a serial r@pist child trafficker kingpin

Thank you 💯

Truth. They also ignore the fact that a)The other kids were the instigators who attacked him and he only defended himself and b)That he had Joffrey in his hand about to hit him with a rock, but dropped it instead and showed mercy(with Luke drawing his dagger right after).

That's my whole point, fam. The battle of good and evil should be fought within the character's heart. 💯

im honestly worried that when blood and cheese happens, the show will make it look like some kind of oopsie on the reds part

You are not worth it

I got you!!! 😉

drives me crazy when people defend rhaenyra wanting to torture her little brother after her hellspawn cut his eye out

Exactly what reaction they have to Blood and Cheese will be interesting to watch. Will they recant on their support for Rhaenyra? Unlikely. Will they double down and be fine with killing kids? Not sure. Then again, the show might make it a horrible misunderstanding again, or have Daemon being the mastermind behind it, removing Rhaenyra's agency and thus keeping her untainted.

@prethorynscourge7889 exactly... it could go so many ways but to me it'll define whether the show really does have a bias

I hope you are right about that, they have a chance to do that with the Blood and Cheese incident, so let's see if they do.

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The books aren't 100% true to history. How do we know Aemond was really told off by Lord Borros' daughter? Just saying, killing Luke on purpose would be stupid. The show has a better take on it. Also, the body wasn't allowed to rot for a week in the show, so regardless of it being either Alicent or Otto, that situation no longer matters much

@@thalmoragent9344 so details in the books don’t matter much when it comes to the greens but it does for the blacks? Okay got it lol

EXACTLY 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

​@@marleymarsss ??? The person never said that the details in the book apply to the blacks, but not the greens. That is something you just made up in your own head.

@@danika9411 They did tho, they implied that things were changed about the blacks to make them sympathetic for the show, I don’t agree, in fact they changed things about the greens to make them more sympathetic. I literally just reread the book last week.

Yeah, I hope you're right. It's just that there isn't much evidence of that for me (of neutrality in the story; of there not being any clear bad guys and good guys), so I highly doubt it. I read the other day that they are changing Rhaenyra's role in the story, so that she is present during the Battle of Rook's Rest and so that she can have more boss moments on her dragon. So... 🤦‍♂

@@thecriticalmaester9702In that case, yeah, it sadly has gotten influenced by the current politics. I’ve not followed the rumours, interviews, etc. Well, the fact that they tied the prophesy to Rhaenyra was a clear sign but still, I’ve kept up hope. :) Come to think of it, since Otto (right?!) had the White Worm’s house/establishment burned down, it could be that they’ll make Blood and Cheese more of her revenge and will keep Daemon mostly out of it…maybe just a small comment that Mysaria will use for her own revenge or smth. Oh, why do current affairs have to come to mess with a good story already written!

Thank you 💯

And nothing is woker than Mushroom's absence.

I agree!

@@Transformers217 Thanks

ok

@@femalegays You wrote second post '"could be said about rhaenyra and daemon, especially”, but I cannot respond to this, since when I am clicking it leads me nowhere. Provide context to which comment you replied.

The Green characters are made more complex but still have all their flaws intact (they're occasionally weak, petty, weird and violent, not to mention how bad Aegon is depicted, without even showing us a single positive side of his character, for example his bond with Sunfyre). Instead, Black characters are made more complex AND flawless... or at least their flaws are downplayed or glossed over: think about how in the show there is no reaction to the fact that Daemon killed his wife Rhea and groomed Rhaenyra and Laena when they're basically teenager girls, or that Daemon and Rhaenyra killed an innocent man to stage Laenor's death, think about the fact that Rhaenys killed more innocent people than all the other characters combined only for a stupid girlboss move, think about Rhaenyra asking for Aemond's torture in Driftmark in in the successful attempt to gaslight the audience into forgetting Lucerys' crime, which goes beyond normal self-defense and deserves even just a public rebuke, or think about Vaemond being killed for telling the truth, the tipical action of tyrants and dishonorable rulers ... these are ruthless evil actions but which pass almost as insignificant, glossed over... while Aegon as a rapist is underlined by the script with Dyana's terrible scene,with the pathetic masturbation scene and so on. If you think about it, making the characters more complex but with this type of bias script is a really sneaky way to create a biased show that pretends not to be biased, and it's because of this hidden manipulation of viewers (and the horrible way many Team Black stans behave) that I switched to supporting the Greens

It would be hard when the first season was made like that, her being presented as this flawless character who can't do wrong, the audience will excuse any action she does in season 2 because they would feel its justificated

2.3 Rhaenys.- You say that she is an hypocrite because she is playing in this world made for men. When she is one of the first to have fought for a ruling queen on herself as claimant to the throne. While in the books she have adapted to what reality dealt to her, she is not exactly serving his husband as woman by the Andal code are subservient to their male counterpart desires. Rhaenys being the deterrent of Corlys showing ever any care for the Hull children inside his public domains or asking for her dragon when Daemon and Laenor weren't able just shows that she didn't relent to his husband wishes knowing that in the books her character is eager to put an end to Vhagar and Sunfyre despite the clear disadvantage and easy escape to do with the fastest dragon the Targs had ever only portrays that she did not shied from battle but that she fighted when she wanted and wanted to live her life on her own terms. In the show when she confronts Alicent it is not exactly saying to her that she is servant of men but that Alicent as a woman saw herself tire of serving the men but instead of finding an out for women freedom and empowerement by having a female as the head of all the lords of the Seven Kingdoms, she got used to the statu quo by using Aegon as window towards power instead of using Rhaenyra as an escape. Like she didn't want an out, she wanted to play the game and win. That is why she ends with: "You never imagined yourself upon the Iron Throne" alluding to her ambitions despite how much sorrow it brought her to be puppeteer by her father and the other great lords and their interest. At least that is in the show, in the books she is not in her orbit and simply dismisses her existence as she were not family but an outsider that is to unpleasant to deal with. Surely, Rhaenys fights Corlys and Rhaenyra to have Baela as heir, that's why she has in Baela as a ward in the show and we saw both of them in High Tide attending their court when Vaemond appears, who later plotted to take from her as well as from Rhaenyra their stance in Driftmark by siding with Lannister and Higtowers which from the past and current time were openly hostile to Corlys by pushing eagerly in the Council and Viserys to deny aid for Corlys family to fight pirated when these sunk his ships near Driftmark and the Steptones, they wanted to take Velaryon ships for the standing Royal Fleet and forced Corlys to fund the Royal Fleet despite his practically hereditary position since the conquest was giving to a Lannister thanks to Otto's venue and Viserys appeasement. It was either close ranks or lose it all, in the show. Because in the books, it is Rhaenyra who dispatches Vaemond and his plots. Rhaenys didn't concern herself with other Velaryon that weren't her children or her husband. 3. The Greens.- Well here you were more balanced though you also missinformed in many case alluding that it was Mushrooms claims that slander either Aegon, Cole or the others. Fact is that Mushroom has not much to say about Aegon but the ones that recorded his vices are Septon Eustace and Maester Gyldayn with their accounts over his behaviour and public displays in open festivities. Septon and Maester who have their allegiance to Oldtown heart of the Faith and house to the Citadel. Here the quotes: "King Viserys wed his son Aegon the Elder to his daughter Helaena. The groom was fifteen years of age, a lazy and somewhat sulky boy, Septon Eustace tells us, but possessed of more than healthy appetites, a glutton at table, given to swilling ale and strongwine and pinching and fondling any serving girl who strayed within his reach. The bride, his sister, was but thirteen." "A wife and children did little to curb the carnal appetites of Prince Aegon the Elder, who fathered two bastard children the same year as his trueborn twins: a boy on a girl whose maidenhood he bought on the Street of Silk, and a girl by one of his mother’s maidservants." That not to say the other bastards that were known after the riot like Trystane Truefyre or Gaemon Palehair. He had an habit to put the servants girls upon his unwanted touch and vicinity. The thing is just to make visual such thing in the great display makes matters feel more oer the audience than when it is read on a book. Another thing about Cole, that certainly isn't accounted by mushroom who regalled us about Daemon being the groomer for Rhaenyra to seduce Cole, while Septon Eustace tells us in the next quote that Cole was in your words a simp. "That night, Septon Eustace reports, Ser Criston Cole slipped into the princess’s bedchamber to confess his love for her." "Mushroom tells a very different tale. In his version, it was Princess Rhaenyra who went to Ser Criston, not him to her." As far as quotes go, in the books the Black apologist Mushroom seems more eager to tell about the Blacks supposed Debaucherys as much as their prowess while Eustace and Gyldayn are less enthusiastic in their bias and gives at least more validity to their claims with the serenity of their accounts. Well, as far as the show goes it seems that they wants as to see two girls thrusted into enmity and war by criminals and horrible men around them. Rhaenyra pressured by her families legacy and Alicent pressured by her father's and the "great" lords schemes. So just by that you have my like and appreciation on your attempt of analysis. Kudos

Okay, this was a lot to read, but I will try to answer you as best as I can. Firstly, I agree with you that there are times on the show that the Black characters (that is 'the characters of Rhaenyra's Black faction') are a bit more villainized than they are in the book. I agree with you that Daemon was perhaps adapted to be a lot more villainous and crafty than he probably was if we take into account the sources of Fire and Blood, and I agree that the same could be said of Corlys. The show does try to paint these characters in darker shades than they most probably were in the books. However, that was not the point that I was trying to make when I compared them to the Green characters. In the video, my point was to show how House of the Dragon downplays the villainous traits of the Black characters. Yes, Daemon can be a monster, and yes, Corlys can be a little shady - but for the most part the show just brushes these things aside. These characters are never criticized or confronted for any of their terrible deeds, and that's the difference between the way that the show approaches the Black characters and the Greens. When Otto Hightower does something bad, everybody brings it up, and Otto even gets fired for his shady ways. The same could be said for most of the Green team. Every character on the show knows how slimy and terrible they are, and so we, as the audience, also know it. The show *dwells on the bad traits of the Green characters, and it omits their good and redeemable traits*. On the other hand, the Black characters get the opposite treatment. The show *dwells on their good and redeemable traits and it omits (or downplays) their bad ones*. It's absolutely biased and terribly one-sided. Secondly, I do not agree with you on the fact that Vaemond has no rights to the Driftmark throne. Just because Vaemond didn't help build the wealth and repute of Driftmark, it doesn't mean that he isn't entitled to those lands by birthright. If you insist on using that logic then you must be careful, because then it can be applied to almost every lord's rights in Westeros. For example, the whole reason why Ned Stark becomes lord of Winterfell in the first place is because his brother dies. Because Ned was his closest male kin, he automatically has the strongest claim to Winterfell and to the lordship of the North. If Ned's brother (Brandon) had bastard children, their claims would not be stronger than Ned's, just like how Jon's claim would never be stronger than Bran's or even Sansa's, or how Joffrey's claim isn't stronger than Stannis's claim. In the main 'A Song of Ice and Fire' series, it's actually Stannis who is the rightful king of Westeros, not Joffrey or Tommen or Myrcella. Stannis's claim is actually the strongest one because he is Robert's eldest male descendant. It's the same thing for Vaemond. He absolutely has a claim to the Driftwood throne, particularly because Rhaenyra's children are bastards. Even Corlys's opinion doesn't trump that fact, much in the same way that Aegon IV's opinion didn't trump Daeron's claim over his half-brother's. You could make a case for Luke, but it would be a weak one, particularly because it is obvious that he is a bastard and bastard have no claim over trueborn persons. So Vaemond is absolutely in the right to demand that Driftmark be given to him. However, I agree with you, again, when you say that Laena's children (Baela and Rhaena) actually deserve it more than him. That is correct. Thirdly, I will make more videos in the future where I will be a little more fair in my analysis of some of the Black characters. I will talk about how characters like Daemon and Corlys are villainized in a lot more depth and detail than I have on this video. The thing is, on this video I could only talk about so much stuff. I didn't want it to go on and on forever. However, I will definitely expand more on this topic in the future. Forthly, thank you for sharing your opinion. I'm actually glad that you engaged with what I said as much as you did, and I hope that you liked the video and subscribed. Lol.

@@thecriticalmaester9702 I liked the video and I just subscribed to your channel looking forward to the next video. I agree with you with the show passing over many details and more so in the account of the Black Faction, as in Rhaenyra main supporters, since the show decided the Dance of the Dragon is more about Rhaenyra and Alicent than Rhaenyra and Aegon, despite the references to the confrontation of their claims. In the case of Otto, He was and is the Hand of the King, yet behind the pin of the Hand granted by a King that can name and strip it of it, he was the second son of Hightower. Certainly a powerful House with connection to the Faith of the Andals and the Order of Maesters all housed in Oldtown. Although he wasn't The Lord like Corlys but the second son of it and landless knight to boot. Alicent in the other hand was the daughter of a landless second son knight that boasted the pin of the Hand by the grace of King Viserys in a absolute monarchy. Alicent gains political power after her marriage by keeping some leverage to Viserys ear, the King's ear but that is trumped by the power Rhaenyra has time yes and time not over his old man. So when Otto tries to grab more power than he was given, he has no backup. No King brother, nor dragon or a powerful army to give a pause to Viserys as to not throw his "truths" to his face (on the big screen). While Gerold Royce tries the same during Rhaenyra's wedding we see how belittled his concerns are by the backup of Daemon's brother the King and the Princess and Daemon himself. However it reaches a point in the show that also Otto has no accountability after the death of both Laena and Laenor in which Otto schemes with Vaemond to obviously undermine Viserys edict without it tracing back to him, he sats the Iron Throne as the Hand but commands the Crown Princess as the King because Viserys is given milk of the poppy until he refused that day her daughter was to come and defend her children's claim. Everything that show has about Aegon is given in the books about a maidservant of his mother falling pregnant of his bastard (written by a Maester with acounts of another Maester and a septon), him warranting his unwanted touchs to other girls of lower status is made clear on the books, Aegon having 2 acknowledge bastards the same year her 14 year sister birthed his twins is also in the books, his love for wine and food is also in the book. His redeemable qualities listed in the book are his healthy disposition, initial denial of the crown, offering peace deal to Rhaenyra for him to be King, his pride in his dragon, fighting in the war as Rhaenyra did not. There is no mention of Alicent loving her children in the books, but mentions of herself for a betrothal between Aegon and Rhaenyra which Viserys denied because explicitly says "he saw it was more about her ambition than Aegon's love for his sister". While we saw in the great screen Alicent misstreating her children, we also saw her going as far as she could to ensure their "survival" since such survival in her mind came with the crown that she thinks is owed to her son. Her passion for her children is also noted when she goes as far as to confront the king, princess and the Velaryons in their own home for Aemond. Larys in the books we have little to no information so the show plays with the void left by GRRM himself. While Criston Cole is cited many times by septon Eustace and the Maesters to have being courted or courted by Rhaenyra only having Mushroom the one account being Daemon the one grooming Rhaenyra. Criston Cole also says in the show "not to tolerate such disrespect in her graces name the Queen", when in the books Ser Criston deliberately slits the throat of Lyman Beesbury in front of the Council when he denounces treason against the word of his grace Viserys. While the Council watches unbothered. Beesbury is a Reachmen House mind you as Reachmen as Hightower and no one said a thing. Even so Aegon praised him for his loyalty in the books. The show deliberately tries to paint Alicent in a more passionate way and less scheming and more victim. The same with Aemond in which the maesters and septon described from birth as a ferocious child, when growing as a angry lad and when grown he is described as mad, perturbed, impulsive, bloodthirsty by the agents of the Citadel of Oldtown and the Faith of the Starry Faith in Oldtown. When the Show puts him as a passionate and dedicated brother, defensive of his siblings and confrontational to their rivals. While Daemon which in the book he clearly does not kill his wife, in the great screen he kills her without remorse and present us a young and pretty Rhea Royce when in the books he is 16 when he is forced to wed her by being dragged by the Kingsguard to an already ruling lady of Runestone. He is said to have mourn his bastard beget in Mysaria and being extremely angry with Viserys for the demise of it, while the show presents a lying Daemon and abusive customer of Mysaria when they were pretty close in the books during his youth and after it. Daemon is said to have slain the unwanted betrothed of Laena and eloped together to Essos, travelling from Pentos, Volantis, Norvos, Qohor, Braavos, the Rhoyne, practically on a wedding loving trip almost the entire of their marriage and expressively mourning Laena after her ultimate miscarriage on Driftmark not Pentos. The show presents an uncaring Daemon, awful to Laena and Rhaena, neglectful of his children during the scene of the eye of Aemond, and uncaring of his daughters marriages desires. He chokes Rhaenyra on the great screen, because he wants war. In the books, Daemon cautions against open war and suggest for ravens first. Explicitly he wants to avoid in the books pitting dragon against dragon "unless it is his last resource", while the show he is like "we have more dragons, I have eggs and what are you going to do about!" The Showrunners practically chose to contradict almost everything that was on the book regarding Daemon, while making empathise with Aemond, Alicent and Rhaenyra. Certainly the show could have try to contradict what the book says about Aegon but it wouldn't serve towards Rhaenyra who is their main protagonist along Alicent. So it seems they chose to demonise characters that which help make the public more empathic with the two great female players of the Dance: Alicent and Rhaenyra. I mean they cut entirely Laena's character or Corlys or the court displays between greens or blacks or the Stepstones or Daeron son of Alicent or their lives growing until the boiling point before the Dance. They concentrated towards what was happening or will affect Rhaenyra and Alicent.

@@thecriticalmaester9702 In the case of Vaemond you go towards the point of Eddard Stark as to make a parallel. Well even Eddard Stark knew that only the heir is given all by its predecessor and I cite him. “Brandon. Yes. Brandon would know what to do. He always did. It was all meant for Brandon. You, Winterfell, everything." This he says to Catelyn in AGOT. Eddard multiple times remarks that he would have had nothing had Brandon not died without heirs, while Corlys in this case already has heirs in the form of Laenor and Laena and after them their children before ever going to Vaemond's line. Remember that Velaryons do not follow the Seven. They pay tribute to the Merlin King and their tradition is not Andal but their own choice. While Laenor lived, both Corlys and Laenor ackowledge the Strong Boys as their heirs. In the books their bastardy is not as clear in the show. The show changed the skin color of the Velaryons so to make them different and brig variety, yet they made Rhaenys white blond when she is described as having dark hair which is used by Rhaenyra to claim that the "brown" hair is their Baratheon color. Not that makes them any bastard, but when both parents acknowledges their children as theirs who is denounce their bastardy when both are adamant to remain as it is. Vaemond is not Stannis here. He knows that Laena had children and despite Corlys acknowledging Laenor's heirs first than Laenas, it doesn't mean Baela and Rhaena's claims are behind Vaemon. Yet Vaemon goes to Kingslanding and the Hightower, Lannister and Wylde Council to appeal to their favouritism of the Andal only male - line tradition so to pass the seat towards Vaemond when Corlys is still alive. More so when the law of Andals gives the power to the lords to appoint heirs of their choosing and disinherit heirs too. Like when Tywin disinherits Tyrion or Doran planned to do it with Arianne despite Arianne's future children if married to a claimant to the Iron throne wouldn't take her claim to Sunspear. Or Aemon Brightflame because he was mad or Duncan the Small disinherited by his father Aegon V for marrying Jenny of Oldstones. Aegon IV tried to denounce bastardy of Daeron, he didn't himself but is suspected to have used a knight. Yet Aemon the Dragonknight used the trial by combat to deny in the eyes of gods and men the innocence of the queen, and won thus invalidating the bastardy claims. So on and so on, in the case of Vaemond he had the power card of being backed by the Greens and that the Strong boys looked Strong in the show while in the books the case was more feeble. Yet Corlys never hesitated to defend their claim because they were in the books betrothed to Baela and Rhaena since the girls were 1 year old and in the show because the path towards his name in the throne went by them and the paths towards his blood in both thrones went by Baela and Rhaena. His plans for his grandchildren and blood in the form of Laena's girls were his life time work, something that Vaemond tried to usurp just to take the wealth Corlys himself acquired and the power with it, since Corlys didn't inherited his riches nor the power from his father when the Velaryon House was nor remarkable.

um the greens could have literally just accepted rhaenyra as queen and move on the greens are blamed because the entire war could have been avoided if one of the sides yielded while rhaenyra isn't innocent by any means neither are the greens they are just as much to blame

@@andriusas90 both sides couldn't yield. I think the show doesn't show it enough how the other side was in danger if they weren't the winners.

@@andriusas90 the Hightowers are not the only noble house in the realm. Most of the noble houses are sexist that's why when the great council was called the majority choose Viserys instead of Laenor. They don't believe that the crown should pass through the female line, how much more being inherited by a woman. Jaeherys knew it, that's why he decided to name Viserys' father as Prince of Dragonstone instead of Rhaenys, the only daughter of then heir, even though he had absolute authority he knew that once he pass away the realm will not accept a reigning Queen.

Thank you. 💚

Never say never 😅

The original series had Stannis murder his own daughter simply because D&D never liked the character despite BookStannis making arrangements for Shireen to be his heir in case he dies in the North.

I hate the decision. But that's my opinion.

@@thecriticalmaester9702 GRRM wants to use the story for the Dance of Dragons to condemn the medieval world for sticking to male primogeniture as a standard of inheritance, but in the world of constant medieval warfare, where kings have to be lawgivers, rulers, and generals rolled into one, it makes perfect sense for such traditions to exist. They need kings who can be fighters, they need united kingdoms, and making the male heir the sole inheritor of the land made perfect sense back in those days as opposed to splitting the realm between children, which would cause civil wars, or letting second sons or daughters inherit, which would just cause trouble. That, and the main reason people were iffy about sending women to war in the past was because if a tribe lost most of its men but retained most of their women, they can recover, but if the opposite happens, they're one step away from extinction unless they pull a Rome and kidnap women from other tribes. Hence why the medieval people favored kings over queens as much as they possibly could, because kings have to be in the front lines, and there's a chance he's not coming back, especially in a battlefield where an enemy soldier or lord can get lucky and kill him.

Both factions are awful, that's the point

@@Takahashi_Takeda I agree, but the point of this video was to point out how the Greens are somehow misunderstood lol and that’s far from the truth as a book reader.

​@@marleymarsss in the show they are definitely misrepresented and their bad acts are exaggerated and good acts almost non existence

@@Naldinho456 what exactly was exaggerated? Lol I’ve read the books, I honestly feel like the changes they made to Alicent made her more sympathetic

@@marleymarsss allicent being an awful mother