For sure. What’s the point of being a Dragonlord if you don’t use your dragon to protect your family?

@@CrusaderChris it's honestly odd that he was a dragon rider being so weak willed.

Leaving Kingslanding would have left the throne unprotected. His quicksilver against Visenya's Vhagar... Sending Aegon and Rhaena on tour was a gamble, although it was necessary it meant sacrificing his advantage (2 dragons against one)

That’s the only time you can be brave

He died 3 days later. So I’m guessing he was already to ill to fly

For some reason Daemon and Vizzy T kinda mirrors Maegor and Aenys 🥲

@@captainvalourous6668 😂 Vizzy T, i like it

Viserys always reminded me more of Aegon IV

Idk Book Visy I was more like Robert

Visery's wasn't an indecisive ruler like Aeny's though. That fact was clearly written.

Aegon seemed like a pretty terrible parent. He barely even acknowledged Maegor’s existence and had he paid more attention to him perhaps Maegor would have turned out a little differently. I’m not saying it’s entirely Aegon’s fault and Maegor is responsible for his own actions, but had he spent time with his son, Maegor would perhaps have been less influenced by Visenya’s ambitions. Sadly no matter how good a warrior Aegon is, he let his feelings for Rhaenys cloud him.

@@raniaminhas3406 I think Aegon stopped living after Rhaenys death. The love of his life was dead.

Maegor, if he was capable of love, definitely loved Aegon and Visenya Perhaps he loved Aenys too... Personally, I think Maegor saw Aenys as a means to an end. As Aenys had many children that meant Maegor would have many options for whives...

@@raniaminhas3406 I don't think aegon was ever the same person after the death of rhaenys and the letter from Dorne.

If they were to have their own show I wish Maegor and Aenys' relationship will be portrayed similar Daemon and Viserys because from what I see while Aenys is an incompetent spineless bitch he is the only person to treat Maegor as a family that he even gave him the sword Blackfyre.

he really didn't like her, but then again she was the only sister who didn't cheat on him. That man was a simp.

@@HelenA-vz5wy in my eyes visenya was probably the most loyal and faithful to aegon since maegor literally reminds me of aegon himself unlike his other children.

​@@Mcherrinah maegor looks like visenya so much he was too big and harsh looking also aegon uncronwed and jahaerys and daemon blackfyre are only ones to look like him specially the unctowned everyone said he was the copy of aegon

Aegon was probably also, well not infertile, but he only ended up having 2 kids from one woman each. In Fire and Blood it said that he slept with Rhaenys a lot and yet they only had one child.

@@raniaminhas3406 we don't know when he married rhaenys too don't forget that he went to essos for a period before conquest and he started it at 25 and you know middle war he can't risk lose aqueen and dragon she can't fight so rhaenys got pregnant in festivals when they thought they had dorne finally before news of the rebellious borke in KL

You didn't read books well then dude was killing everyone do you know he almost got the house extinct jahaerys if he had him he d kill him like his two other brothers and maegor didn't even have heirs ..

He might have fixed most of his brother's mess but the dude was a straight up psychopath.

@@kingkashi5151 problem he fixed at beginning and started destroying the realm man almost got house targaryen extinct by killing his nephews and everyone

bro was born because of dark magic and was healed by dark magic he never had a chance of being semi normal

Meagor was terrible. Holding together a kingdom through terror is just pushing its destruction further down the line. Being nice wasn't Anys's problem. Making bad decisions was. Same with Viserys. Jahaerys was very effective and considered calm and reasonable. He was able to clean up the messes made by both Anys and Meagor. He wasn't stupid nor avoided responsibilities. Niceness isn't ineffective just as tyranny isn't strength. It's intelligence that's needed most of all.

Difference is Aenys not only ruled a continent but also had a dragon, and was still craven

Much like Viserys, he was scared sh*tless of his brother aswell and knew that whatever son he would have would be in danger...

Viserys was abhorrent as a whole character though.

@@jorismeso3703 Maegor is a total trash, I understand him.

Good men don’t make good kings. GRRM subverts that trope whenever he can.

@@An-kp7ru No he wasn't, Viserys is above the average compared to other ASOIAF/Westerosi men. There are way worse characters in ASOIAF than him.

They just greenlit an Aegons Conquest series. So it's going to be a long while

That’s the type of quality analysis this channel provides

That's why Jahaerys and future generations of Targaryens still respected Maegor and spoke of him with admiration... He was basically a warning to all on what it meant to mess with the Targaryens and Maybe even the reason why some lords would rather burn than see Dany land on Westeros because they still remember Maegor...

@@jorismeso3703 I don’t think they speak of him with admiration (except maybe for Aerion) but they definitely use him as a warning that’s for sure

Rhaena and Aegon the Uncrowned probably would have been strong enough rulers to pummel the faith into submission eventually. Especially if Visenya decides to help them. But you got a point though without Maegor scaring the hell out of the faith they wouldn't have disarmed, accepted Jaehaerys' Doctrine of Exceptionalism, and his rule as King.

You're forgetting Visenya. She could have dealt with all of those problems if Aenys let her.

@@travisgames6608 she had no reason to, since her biggest priority was making Maegor King, she wouldn’t deliberately stabilize the realm for her sons rival

Dude broke the realm and emptied the treasure

@lara anne he successfully consolidated power and put down a religious uprising (faith of the 7) that threatened their entire dynasty. Among other things

@@ino7604 no he didn't completely do it it was jahaerys who found solution with his intelligent wise brain go re-read fire and blood

@lara anne you're not wrong and I haven't read fire and blood. Just a song of ice and fire so far. I didn't say that he "completely did it" . Not sure why you have so much hostility in your comment

@@waiehukukailimoku5644 he killed people for nothing and was rapist ... and usurper what do u think is that aegon was called the dragon and used violence in needs not everywhere

Didn't he leave his children to die

The issues during his rule were directly caused by his weakness and lack of a backbone

Aenys kinda forgot he was a Dragonlord

Someone should tell you 4 words: Rhaenys, Dorne, dragon, bolt.

​@@liviuganea4108 So you think Harren the Red(The person King Aenys was worried about attacking Stokeworth in this particular quote) and his outlaws have ballista to attack his dragons with 😂? Also, you're mentioning a dragon kill that has been repeatedly stated to be a one in a million shot.

@@NRV0 In case you're unaware (or more likely just plain stupid), Harren attacked Harrenhal and defeated its lord. There's just one source of ballistae. The jews were poorly equipped and yet they still annihilated the Syrian legion. You say "one in a million" like it's basically impossible. It's not, case in point.

​@@liviuganea4108 Look guy, you don't have to show your true colors of being a pathetic uber fanboy by calling me stupid. None of this is real. I'm only going on what based in the story and not trying to bring real life stuff into a fantasy lol. Harren the Red only took over Harrenhal due to the common people hating the Lord and opening the gates. Now if you think he and his vagabond group can do the same to Stokeworth, a domain so close to Kingslanding and its dragons be my guess.

How was Daeron ll an idiot?

@@ntandoyenkosinjilo4391 Not that Daeron, I meant to say the first one who invaded Dorne.

@@seth_fitzgerald oh yea tbf though mfer was literally like 14 when he took the throne so him being a terrible king makes sense, brilliant commander though

In my opinion, he got whacked by the Church and Maesters. Remember, history is written by the winners.

@@dionysusmclaren12 completely agree. I believe if Maegor didn't break The Faith Jaehaerys wouldn't be able to make peace with them.

If there were no Maegor, the Faith would've captured and executed the Targaryen royal family and either create a theocracy led military dictatorship or return Westeros to the original status of the independent 7 kingdoms

They both lost their mom's at young age too which played major role

Viserys(Paddy) was a fine king. I agree there may have been better suited rulers but Viserys goal was just a peaceful kingdom. He held no ambition after that however…

I agree with you. There is also a weird thing going on in their bloodline that makes them have 3 kids. So It would not be weird to assume that weird stuff goes with their blood. Definitely if Aenys and Maegor are bastard, that would be ruining the entire story of the dynasty once again. I never believed that the Targaryens are bastards. Rhaenys loved Aegon, she had many artist around, but doesnt mean she will sleep with them. Visenya was loyal, and would never ever cheated due to her morals. And using magic well... but you still need a man to get pregnant, otherwise Maegor would be conceived without a father xD which is absurd.

@@Alejojojo6 the prince yhat was promised is of aegon s blood that matters

@@alexmartin3143 Nah he was shit. His actions directly led to the non-existent dragon power in the current time.

I agree. She outlived her younger brother/husband and her nephew which is not normal during these times

The main reason is that the legitimacy of Aenys and Maegor is brought up as an in-universe conspiracy, rather than simply being a fan theory. The book itself mentions how Rhaenys entertained lots of men and how Visenya was rumored to be a sorceress. GRRM is calling attention to it so that we can speculate.

@@CrusaderChris yea which is highly doubted as well. Those are aegon's kids

@@CrusaderChris it could be both the children were fathered with blood magic, and the letter used as a threat has no sense, the King could have seized Deria and brought her into a dungeon as well, Lord Oakheart wanted her to be sold in the meanest of the brothels. Aenys not son of Aegon cannot be proven after Maegor birth, and the confession of Rhaenys under torture could be considered a lie, people say everything under torture, then the news of the tortured queen would have enraged the six kingdoms, she was the beloved one by the small folk

Because the text doesn't actually support Aerys being Aegon's. Words Targaryen men and maesters say are the only thing that backs it and words are wind. Came from Valyria with 5 dragons. Of the 5, just Balerion is left at conquest. Meraxes, born sometime shortly before or after the Doom, around a century before the conquest. Vhagar, about 5 decades before the conquest. They aren't thriving. Absolutely nothing says they are doing well before the conquest. They are literally scrambling to fix the issue of no dragons hatching. They are dying. "The blood must remain pure" when there used to be other Valyrians to marry. Not siblings marrying for over a century with a couple of Valeryons thrown in. It's not a magic spell of conquering westeros that gives Aegon babies. It's a sperm donor and finally for the first time in over 5 decades a new dragon has hatched while Rhaenys is pregnant with Aenys. His half Massey half Valeryon wife Alyssa give us a mini boom with their kids and a major boom with their grandkids. More dragons just between Aenys & his kids than the Targaryens have had since Aegon and his sisters were born. And by the next generation, the Targaryens have more dragons than we have ever known them to have being "pure." New blood. Yes, the grandkids come from siblings, but their parents both brought new blood. Look at who has claimed Balerion. He's only the illusion of power. Aegon messed up too. Like Viserys, Aerea, and Maegor. His mess up takes longer to see. It wasn't hoarding the power and ruling over Westeros. They were supposed to rebuild a better Valyria. Marry into the Seven Kingdoms & spread the protection from the long night. Eggs still need to be regulated. Too much fire is just as deadly as no fire. BUT they were supposed to branch off and fix the problems of old Valyria.

Probably a mistake by George

" according to the show " You see that's where you went wrong you should not use the show as a basis , the show broke the rules of the universe, Rhaegar was already married and never officially annulled his marriage so regardless if he married lyanna or not Jon would still be a basterd , rather he's ligetament or not is illrelavent they were ordered by the Prince to guard lyanna so that's what they did.

​@@thatoneblackdude3333you do realise george gave d and d the main plot points to work with on the show the annulment and marriage of lyanna likely being one of them, he had lyanna for almost a year btw easily enough time to find a maester get annuled and marry lyanna, don't forget Jon's whole storyline is him learning to live with being a bastard and what comes with it, him turning out to be the rightful heir is very important to his story it completely contrasts his upbringing and life throughout the series it's a huge plot point for any character to have

@@user-op6kt8pg9y he gave them the basic idea which could me fucking anything but considering he literally Said multiple times that the books will be different I don't think it matters , that's not how annulment works he needs permission from Aries who he had a bad relationship with and a high septom you can't just get a annulment on a whim like that otherwise what rhenerya and daemon did makes no since if they could just casually divorce there spouses, it also doesn't make since for Rhaegar to do that because he believed his aegon was the Prince that was promised he was planning to have a Visenya with lyanna why would he disinherit his believed savor son? , no Jon's whole character is wanting to be a stark him Turning out to truly not being one is a way bigger impact then being the hier to the throne because Jon doesn't care about the iron throne , yea his whole story is dealing with being a basterd so why ruin that by having him not actually be one ? That's stupid cliche writing.

​@@user-op6kt8pg9ythats really stupid in the Show like the Showrunner Forgot that the setting are in Westeros were Divorce is Forbidden and Annullment is only Given by the King thru recommendation by the High Septon even in the North were the Worship of Old Gods forbid Divorce and still will ask the King for Annullment of Marriage especially concerning Couples belongs to Great Houses the only thing for Jon Snow to be considered Targaryen is thru Royal Approval legitimization again the King is the only one can approve that theres no way Aerys II will Grant any of that when he needed any help from Dorne.

Or maybe it was something to do with Aegon? I find it doubtfull that both Sisters would have fertility problems.

@@someguyontheinternet2684 Yeah, this would also seem VERY odd given that in the future, Targaryens born from even more incest seem to be capable of producing like rabbits without any birth defects (Probably a result/perk of Valyrian blood), so if the theory of all Targaryens being descendents from bastards is true, it seems more likely that either Aegon "couldn't get it on" for one reason or another and the sisters just decided "Well, we gotta keep the family line going ONE way or another", that even though he loved his sisters, the love wasn't mutual (I mean both seemed to love spending their time either with other people or straight up away from Aegon) and he couldn't force himself on them and just went "Fuck it, 50% Targaryen is still Targaryen, good enough for me", or maybe a mix of both

@@user-kq5ci7ol8o I honestly just think Aegon had fertility issues which is why it was so hard for him to produce a son. And Rhaenys was the one he married for Love, Visenya was for duty. So with Rhaenys dead I doubt Aegon nor Visenya had that much interest to lay with each other anymore after Maegor was born.

@@someguyontheinternet2684 Oh, I misread then, you're saying that both kids ARE Aegons, and Aegon "couldn't get it on" that well so that's why he only had two, yeah ok I can buy that, I was just arguing that if we go for the "They're all bastards" theory, than either Aegon just straight up couldn't make children, or that despite them both Aegon, his sisters didn't love him enough to "Do the deed", though oddly enough I buy Visenya doing the deed more than I buy Rhaynera doing it

i think rhaenys had fertility problemsn not aegon. Long story short she had 1 weak and sickly son despite supposedly sleeping with aegon 10x more than visenya. As soon as she died, Visenya gets pregnant at 41 (considered very rare and dangerous at the time) and gives birth to a strong and healthy son.

dude what orphan ? after his mothers death aegon throw everyone out and only kept up with him. He was so much there fro his him that he even absolutely neglected and choose to never be a father to his other son just so aneys dosent feel alone. he had all the love wealth power protection and lcaring people aroung him.

In the show that’s true. But the show isn’t canon. It might be true in the books as well, but we’ll have to wait and see.

It wasn't dissolved the king has to do that which never happened, raegars marriage with lyanna is still illigetament therfore Jon is still a basterd.

That's in the show's canon. Very different than the books. Please read the books

The show thatcwould not make sense. You think Dorne would take the insult and allow Elia's son and daughters to be bastards? Tge showrunners are idiots. Much of Rhaegars troops were southlanders. You think Dorne would fight for the Targeryans if Elia was divorced?

In the show that’s true. But the show isn’t canon. It might be true in the books as well, but we’ll have to wait and see.

@@CrusaderChris Yes i agree but if we get the books

What would you call it when he fails to recognize how the Faith soured the realm against the Targaryens, has two of his children marry each other, and then sends those children on a royal tour amidst said realm who now violently oppose them? And then sits in his castle(s), with three dragons in his city, while his children, with zero dragons, are trapped by a mob?

​@@CrusaderChrisalso doesn't permit Visenya to get rid of rebels or goes himself to take care of it. Aenys was kinda like Viserys I, not necessarily a bad guy but very stupid and weak sitting on a throne.

In the show that’s true. But the show isn’t canon. Maybe it’s true in the books too, but we’ll have to wait and see.

You can't marry when You already have a wife and children ellea would have to already be dead for rheagar to legally marry lyanna which didn't happen therfore Jon is still a basterd You should not use the show as a basis as it threw away a lot of the world's logic and rules in the final 2 seasons

That's only in the show's canon. The book canon is different in many ways. Read the books

He’s not a bad guy. But he was an awful king. If you’re gonna defy the Faith and provoke rebellion, you better be ready to deal with it and protect your family. Aenys failed big time.

​@@CrusaderChris Aenys Targaryen was the Tytos Lannister of his family: A good and kind man, but weak and eager to please.

​@@jorgebersabe293yeah pretty much. He was kinda scared of Maegor too? Giving away Blackfyre and saying "Together we rule together" at his own coronation kinda seems like "hey don't kill me pls" considering they didn't have much of a relationship when they were kids.