How Long Should my Dipole Antenna be? CB or Ham Radio

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DXCommander

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2 жыл бұрын

Easy way of working out how long your dipole should be - and how to fix any errors using a simple calculator. Enjoy. Callum.
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@seanwood8043
@seanwood8043 2 жыл бұрын
Top notch stuff as always Cal
@Martin-kq9qt
@Martin-kq9qt 2 жыл бұрын
Cracking video Cal - that hit the spot!
@steelcityman9767
@steelcityman9767 2 жыл бұрын
A grand explanation, Callum.
@jamescstanley5018
@jamescstanley5018 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Cal, a complex subject, clearly explained in terms we can all understand! In a nutshell you nailed it in one! Jim M7BXT
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks!
@David-km8in
@David-km8in 8 ай бұрын
My first antenna I built was the dipole for 20 meter band. Didn't use a matching transformer. Put it up at 3 meters high and first contact was New York, USA with 50 watts. Good educational video Cal
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 8 ай бұрын
Great!
@johndiy6420
@johndiy6420 2 ай бұрын
This really speeded up my tuning of a fan dipole I made this afternoon. Thanks 73 de John G0KTW
@madbren
@madbren 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant tutorial cheers buddy 73's from Ireland
@patrickantwerp1364
@patrickantwerp1364 2 жыл бұрын
As an old CB guy, I'm glad you don't look down on us. In the 1970s I worked out of my parents' garage. Spoken almost every state in the USA, Australia, South America, the Netherlands Antilles. And of course Europe, especially Italy, they were called "spaghetti eaters" :-) During a winter's day on FM I had contact with several cbers from the English islands. Because there were so many I said that anyone who could hear me I would send a QSL card. I shouldn't have done that, as a young guy it cost me a lot of money, but a promise is a promise :-)
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 2 жыл бұрын
A primise is indeed a promise! Great fun though!
@jimjungle1397
@jimjungle1397 2 жыл бұрын
I also worked CB radio DX out of my parents' basement in 1970's. My late father gave me a 1963 ARRL Handbook on making radio equipment and antennas. Some of the theories have changed since then, but many remain the same. My father was a US Navy patrol bomber radio operator and aviation electronics technician during the Korean War and later became an electrical engineer, employed by the Navy. He helped design RADAR for Skylab and for AWACS.
@vk6tcp
@vk6tcp 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Callum, learned the calculation for a dipole (300/Mhz=Metres) a year ago but didn't realize the correlation with the speed of light, thanks for the extra info.
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@JesterHellsingborg
@JesterHellsingborg 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks.... still learning...keeps the head young 😉🤙🙏
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 2 жыл бұрын
Rock on!
@fm71450
@fm71450 7 ай бұрын
Wonderful! Thank you!
@ryanbeare580
@ryanbeare580 2 жыл бұрын
Great help I need to make one for 6m. Have fun on holiday 😎
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoy!
@brianzielinski2495
@brianzielinski2495 5 ай бұрын
Thanks, I'm going to try one soon.👍
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 5 ай бұрын
Have fun!
@SWLQSL
@SWLQSL Ай бұрын
Nice One .... I am building CB dipole great information thanks 73's
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ Ай бұрын
Glad to help!
@illegalcoding
@illegalcoding Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@nickbowes2627
@nickbowes2627 5 ай бұрын
Amazing video, thank you you made it so easy to understand, no geek speak, wow going to build my own dipole.
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 5 ай бұрын
Have fun!
@edk4590
@edk4590 2 жыл бұрын
Very good Sir.
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 2 жыл бұрын
So nice of you
@charleswoods2996
@charleswoods2996 2 жыл бұрын
Good refresher course! I need to know where to get a drone with the delivery/drop claw so I can hang a wire across the top of two oak trees that would be perfect for the 40-meter band at a 1/4 wavelength height! Thanks, Cal or anyone else in advance for any information you may provide.
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 2 жыл бұрын
OK... DJI Mini 2 is fine for this with fishing line and a small weight with a "drop" mechanism (the drop thingy is about $30 on Amazon).
@JasonPullara
@JasonPullara 2 жыл бұрын
As a software engineer I've found that I make things complicated because I understand the intricacies of what I'm doing, so much so that I'm thinking 4 steps ahead of myself when I really need to be staring at the immediate problem. I end up trying to solve future problems that don't yet exist instead of addressing the issue right in front of me.
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 2 жыл бұрын
YES!!!!
@PeterMaddison2483
@PeterMaddison2483 Жыл бұрын
I'd call that future proofing.
@brandonlaragirl
@brandonlaragirl Жыл бұрын
Got a question for you brother. When I hook up my amp, my SWR jumps up to two. It's normally under 1.5. what do you think could be causing this? I saw something about the length of jumpers between the transmitter and the amplifier. Do you think that could possibly affect it I have a 3 ft jumper now some guy said he put a 6 ft jumper and it corrected the issue. I don't see how it could be changing the impedance? Thank you in advance for your time and knowledge
@markramsay6399
@markramsay6399 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always Cal. As I have said many times, really like your style and method (hand drawings are really useful). Even though I am 2E0MSR (so should know this very well), I still find reinforcement is key! I am now 10 months delayed to take the full, so revising (again) intermediate when I can. So all of this is great. PS. more drum videos please :D Mark, 2E0MSR
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 2 жыл бұрын
Drums.. WHo knows. Soon maybe!
@redeyegooner
@redeyegooner Жыл бұрын
Really helpful video 👍 I'm trying to decide between a dipole, a butterfly terminated dipole, a doublet, or an end-fed long wire, for an attic antenna for 11m. Any thoughts or help appreciated 🙏
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ Жыл бұрын
Well, you can't beat a dipole.. Or maybe a loop? 11m of wire and a 4:1 balun (or you can match it with a quarter of a wavelength of 75 ohm less velocity factor - maybe too complicated..). On the other hand.. Try a linear loaded vertical? Assuming you can actually stand, or nearly stand in the loft, you could probably go up-and-back down with the same piece of wire. They call it linear loading. Then just trim the "foldback" to tune SWR. Run with some radials, same length as your dipole legs. 2 would do it. About 2.6m long each. Centre of the conductor goes up the element and the braid to the radials.. Let me know how you get on.. Easy fix is dipole - but for vertically polarised signals - say across town, vertical would be better.. Maybe!
@azarellediaz4892
@azarellediaz4892 5 ай бұрын
Well Sir, I’ll stick to my method of finding out the length of a dipole because it’s much simpler and I don’t have to care about the speed of light. Divide 468/f and you’re done, this gives you the result in total feet and then divide by two. 468/ 27.35 = 17.1115 =17.112feet = 5.21m / 2 = 2.60meters per side.
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 5 ай бұрын
468/f is the same as 300/f. You are in the old-fashioned feet and I'm in metres.
@numanhas
@numanhas 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Callum, thanks for the nice video. Is your Quick SWR Calculator for Vertical and Dipole Ham Radio Antennas, allso valid for th G5RV Full Size 102 Feet\31.08960m??? Thanks. All the best.73s.
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 2 жыл бұрын
Probably not.. It will give you a guide but the demensions are different I suppose.
@tobiasgertz7800
@tobiasgertz7800 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact, the imperial standard is actually calibrated in metric. We really just run a system of measurement on top of SI. I do wonder what the speed of light would be for a proper meter. We still suffer with an inaccuracy in the meter because of some very cool history with the French revolution. The earth was supposed to measure 40 million meters. However, the current meter length is 40.075 million meters. Just a curiosity.
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ Жыл бұрын
Very true! But it's still 1m :)
@48pluto
@48pluto 2 жыл бұрын
Does MMANA include the velocity factor in its calculations?
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 2 жыл бұрын
I have never found a way, no.. Annoying but a trade off. With easy, comes other things.. If you select User Wire and then double-click the User Wire, you can only change resistivity and permeability. I just ran some tests and couldn't get the length to change..
@isettech
@isettech 2 жыл бұрын
The engineer does the math and designs the size. The technician takes the result and trims it with test equipment for a 1:1 match. I've built antennas for 72 MHZ for hearing assist. Cut to length, trimmed the elements and adjusted the gama match for great performance. Currently working on a 92 MHZ antenna for an event, and some 640 MHZ antennas for wireless microphones for longer range for the event. Prefer a gama match instead of end fed due to the need for a balun to prevent power on the outside of the coax, and grounded element designs are much more immune to lightning damage.
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Very cool. Not many folkls like you left! Nice job.
@isettech
@isettech 2 жыл бұрын
@@DXCommanderHQ I like the work, so I am still working in retirement age while training another generation. I'm the lead engineering tech in our shop. Test equipment has taken many leaps and bounds to become more capable and less expensive. It is a great time to be in the field. Pay is great for those with the skill.
@glenn718
@glenn718 2 жыл бұрын
Cal, I have a video suggestion. How about comparing a dipole against a double bazooka. I've heard some say one is better than another. I'd be very interested in your take on the subject. Glenn AA4UC
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 2 жыл бұрын
Hmmm. Not certain. I'll take a look.. Thing is you can't make any more RF than there already is..
@chrisb3989
@chrisb3989 2 жыл бұрын
If it’s a coax fed dipole I think it should be a resonant length. If it’s a doublet fed with balanced line and run through a matcher then the longer the better is my view.
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 2 жыл бұрын
Length will change pattern.
@chrisb3989
@chrisb3989 2 жыл бұрын
@@DXCommanderHQ for the better? 😁
@prashantvernekar41
@prashantvernekar41 6 ай бұрын
Can I use 3.5 mm Jack instead of coax!? And how to attach both end to 3.5mm Jack? Please reply
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 6 ай бұрын
You can do, yes. But you would need either very small coax - or make some small jumper leads and just twist the wires together to the coax. That would work.
@prashantvernekar41
@prashantvernekar41 6 ай бұрын
What if I solder the both ends directly to 3.5mm jack.. is that work!? I just made simple dipole antenna splitting speaker wire.. i just don't understanding how to attach both ends to 3.5mm jack.. i hav to solder both ends to same terminal of jack!? (tip or left) OR one to tip(left) another to ring(right) OR one end to tip(left) another end to sleeve (ground) !!!
@arconeagain
@arconeagain Жыл бұрын
You'll find that the 5% you took off is actually for end effect. The length for resonance is further effected by element diameter and VF, like in the case of insulated wire.
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ Жыл бұрын
Yes, you are probably right!
@arconeagain
@arconeagain Жыл бұрын
@@DXCommanderHQ I'm 100% right. Remember, I'm the biggest know it all of all, so I have live up to the reputation. Hey, someone's gotta do it, and I'm not even a ham! Maybe you should do a video on what end effect is, and while you're at it, what makes a dipole resonant. This could include element diameter and what skin effect is, as this will help see the big picture on what's actually happening with the applied voltage wave. This is all related to antenna resonance, hence the length, the topic of your video.
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ Жыл бұрын
I do like a complete geek..!
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@UsMan-kn8hd 10 ай бұрын
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@arconeagain
@arconeagain 10 ай бұрын
@@UsMan-kn8hd huh?
@aprilk141
@aprilk141 2 жыл бұрын
What happens if an antenna is twice the length of the wavelength?
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing! I recorded THAT video last week.. I was going to release it later THIS week (while I'm on hols!)
@Synthematix
@Synthematix 2 ай бұрын
What about FM broadcast radio?
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 2 ай бұрын
Same thing.. Say 100Mhz. So 300/100 = the 3m band. Quarter of a wavelength will be 75cm (30 inches).
@Synthematix
@Synthematix 2 ай бұрын
@@DXCommanderHQ Ok cook is that 30" total or per side
@VK4VO
@VK4VO Жыл бұрын
Never done the metric way,,,,, I just use 468/F for 1/2 wave antennas or 234/F for 1/4 wave
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ Жыл бұрын
I appreciate there are formulas for converting science number into a format for carpenters! (ducks) :)
@gerhardvanwykzs4rum685
@gerhardvanwykzs4rum685 2 жыл бұрын
Easiest way is 73÷freq=length in meters trim for best swr
@gerhardvanwykzs4rum685
@gerhardvanwykzs4rum685 2 жыл бұрын
Forgot to mention this measurement is per leg eg 7.100÷73=10.281m per leg
@jaimz33
@jaimz33 5 ай бұрын
I'm older than you so I convert metric to imperial, the way it was and should be. 😅
@jamesbrownmiller808
@jamesbrownmiller808 2 жыл бұрын
Many decades ago (1974-1978) I was making 11 meter antennas using just 50 ohm coax. I would measure the length I needed and score the outside cover at that point( approximately 109 to 112 inches). I would then remove the outer cover of the coax leaving the outer braid intact. I would than slide the braid down. At the point where the outer case of the coax is I would open up the braid and than pull the center conductor and insulation through the braid making a dipole 11 meter antenna. To adjust for swr fold to shorten the braided end.
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, - I think there's a name for that.. I tried making one for 80m. I called it the Banana - but I was getting too much loss through the choke I think.
@fm71450
@fm71450 7 ай бұрын
Mathematical trickerizery!
@quotagious
@quotagious 2 жыл бұрын
I can't get it to work 😮‍💨
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 2 жыл бұрын
Erm.. Not quite sure which bit. If you are stuck, drop me an email or track me down on discord.io/dxcommander
@quotagious
@quotagious 2 жыл бұрын
@@DXCommanderHQ I down loaded the calculator Callum but it's just won't let me put anything into it to calculate
@keslimmer
@keslimmer 2 жыл бұрын
I don't quite understand why you have to complicate things by switching to metric. The question is, "How Long Should my Dipole Antenna be?". Simple, for imperial measuremets, 492/Frequency in Mhz, not taking into account "End Effect". 468/Frequency in Mhz taking into account "End Effect". And 464/Frequency in Mhz for Inverted V's, again taking into account "End Effect". You don't shorten the antenna because of velocity factor of the antenna wire. Its required because of the "End Effect" from the capacitive coupling due to proximity to ground.
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ 2 жыл бұрын
Well, in my book, being a scientist, and staying with metric makes everything EASIER. It's not an esoteric formula that only converts metric to what frankly looks like a random number anyway. I show you in simple maths terms, speed of light/Freq. The other problem is that only 4% of the world isn't Metric; United States, Liberia, and Myanmar. My audience is also the other 96% :)
@keslimmer
@keslimmer 2 жыл бұрын
@@DXCommanderHQ I learned and use both. But for antennas its always been easier for me when building an antenna to use the formulas that I'm used to using. The tests long ago when I was first licensed, had questions about using the formulas. As for the number that use which one for antenna designs, there are by far more that use Imperial measurents for antenna design than use metric for antenna design. :-) Its still a very good video! And explains the relationship in simple terms.
@petemillis4666
@petemillis4666 2 жыл бұрын
Insulated wire needs shortening due to VF (which is very much dependent upon the type of insulation), in addition to the end effect. Metric measurements are far more intuitive than imperial. Just think about it.... You know immediately that a 1/2 wave dipole for 20m will be somewhere around of 10m long. A 1/4 wave vertical for 20m band will somewhere around 5m tall. So easy.
@keslimmer
@keslimmer 2 жыл бұрын
@@petemillis4666 Velocity factor has very little effect on the electrical length of a wire. What if I wanted a dipole for 6.5 Mhz? How many meters is that? How long would it be? How did you come up with the length? I just use 468/6.5 = 72 feet. The best way to come up with what you are used to. There is no best way for everyone. Just think about it......
@petemillis4666
@petemillis4666 2 жыл бұрын
@@keslimmer 150/6.5 = 23.08m
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