How Lord Momin Proved the Hypocrisy of the Rule of Two Era Sith Lords!

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The Non-Canon Expert explains the weaknesses inherent in the actions taken by the Sith Lords of the Rule of Two era as pointed out by the ancient Sith Lord Momin, describing the hypocrisy of seeing the error of the Jedi in devoting themselves to the Republic and not the light side, and then choosing to devote themselves to obtaining/maintaining the Empire rather than devoting themselves solely to the dark side.
This video discusses the Canon character of Lord Momin and the aspects of the Rule of Two, but does make some references to the Rule of Two as it was seen in Legends. Where the Legends is referenced, that material is located in the Darth Bane trilogy (specifically the second novel "Rule of Two") and the novel Darth Plagueis. I hope that you enjoy the video!

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@starwarsreadingclub 5 жыл бұрын

We aren’t done with Lord Momin and the Rule of Two just yet! Tomorrow I will be posting Part 2, which will discuss how Lord Momin shows that the Rule of Two actually made the Sith Order weaker rather than strengthening it, despite its apparent successes. Thank you very much for all of your tremendous support as always and I hope that you all enjoy today’s video!

@lucofparis4819 5 жыл бұрын

One day, the Sith will need a reality check. They need to realize the Jedi keep crushing them, even at the height of their power. Then draw some sane conclusions: *none* of what they tried was the right way, including Lord Momin's bigotted worship of the darkside (talk about an irony).

@silentwitness5957 5 жыл бұрын

All things are prone to corruption. Jedi. Sith. Republic. Empire. It makes no difference any way you slice it.

@lucofparis4819 5 жыл бұрын

@@silentwitness5957 Sure, but the Jedi get consistently the last say. None of the others. I am not saying that they are perfect. I am pointing out they keep winning. Clearly they do at least one thing right. Besides, I'd argue that the darkside *is* a corruption of the Force. *Not* one of its side. Hence why only killing or turning back all darkside users achieve Balance. Nothing else. The darkside is like a cancer.

@wikipediaintellectual7088 5 жыл бұрын

Star Wars Reading Club Is there any definitive proof that Momin was a pre rule of two Sith to begin with? Even if he personally took no apprentice, he was never a sith lord nor did he take the title of Darth. Perhaps someone else could’ve taken over as master after he shirked his duties.

@derekchuff1430 5 жыл бұрын

Starwarsreadingclub what is the music you use in this video?

@jmess003 5 жыл бұрын

"Sideous had, in a way, become the Senate himself" "I AM the Senate"

@DarthNoox 5 жыл бұрын

I am not liking this because you have 66 likes!

@perfect_harmony4348 5 жыл бұрын

@@DarthNoox why not that means evrything is in order

@shryoder 5 жыл бұрын

*Not yet!*

@onyxbasilisk9046 5 жыл бұрын

So much for “sith lord”

@Jack-wh3kw 5 жыл бұрын

@@onyxbasilisk9046 More like Senate Lord.

@Depthcharger44 5 жыл бұрын

Even Darth Revan said Those who use the dark side are also bound to SERVE it.

@Rayshaadjackson87 5 жыл бұрын

Preach

@Evan_L 5 жыл бұрын

Still lots of debate around this. Bane did not seem to agree. Plagueis sure as hell didn't, but we all saw what he did to the rule of two...

@CookiePieMonster 5 жыл бұрын

@@ming45612 Idk about that, Bane also found the Thought Bomb in a holocron and that shit's arguably the worst way to die in the SW universe. If some Lord or Master didn't think to leave that little tid bit out a holocron then I'm sure that passing on knowledge was exactly what they wanted to do, not keep it and die with it that'd have detrimental to both sides of force users.

@goji253 5 жыл бұрын

@@CookiePieMonster I am pretty sure Revan would consider Bane a joke. Not as much as he would Plagueis and Palpatine though.

@CookiePieMonster 5 жыл бұрын

@@goji253 Of course, but my argument is that the Thought Bomb is such a horric way to die that why would someone want that passed on if what the other guy I replied to was true. Do you know what the Thought Bomb does?

@MetalGearRaxis 4 жыл бұрын

Suddenly, Qui-Gon's focus on serving the living force makes more sense

@GnosisZX 3 жыл бұрын

The Jedi lost there power because they stopped serving the light and served the republic instead

@GayLPer 5 ай бұрын

One of the things Lucas did right was make Qui-Gon the example of what a Jedi should've been. The mere fact that the Jedi Order felt he was too much of a renegade is a good example of that. And also the fact that if Qui Gon hadn't died, Anakin would've had the guide he needed to become a true Jedi himself, rather than being given far too much authority and responsibility at far too young an age. So, if Qui Gon, the quintessential Jedi, serves the "living Force", what would a quintessential Sith be serving? The "dying Force" doesn't make much sense even for the edgy Dark Side, especially since the Death of the Force is something neither Jedi nor Sith desire save a particular individual. To that end... do we actually understand the Dark Side at all, as fans?

@darylsdesigns6679 5 жыл бұрын

The fact that these different Sith Orders in legends have different philosophies regarding the dark side is very fascinating. Makes wonder which one I would follow

@blackshogun272 5 жыл бұрын

The other dark side orders of Legends are savage af ! Theres literally a planet that's like Avatar the Last Airbender bro ! They bend all natural elements with just their mind ! Imagine a Sith Lord bending fire like it's a dragon through the sky and crashing it down onto his enemies 😎😎😎

@DarthNoox 5 жыл бұрын

@@blackshogun272 The power the force has granted us is indeed impressive, but in return, we must follow its will.

@DarthNoox 5 жыл бұрын

@Cian McCabe Funny how you would use a quote from the Sith Emperor, he sought to become bigger than the Force itself, to be beyond its reach, that is why he failed. You cannot become bigger than the Force itself, especially when you use the Force as often as he did. A true Sith in your eyes might bow to no one, but in the end, you will bow to the Force in a way. I did say that we must follow the will of the Force in return, but what this will entails is not clear, all we can ever truly do is take a guess. I do however agree on the Old Republic Era being the Golden Age of the Sith.

@mariobadia4553 5 жыл бұрын

I swear that this was canon.

@phantasosxgames8488 5 жыл бұрын

@Cian McCabe the Will of the Force do not contradicts , it's actually pretty easy to understand: it tries to balance itself , as any natural things in the world , it seeks homeostasis. One individual can receive great power from the Force , it doesn't matter which side , but if the overall scale tips to one side or the other , it will receive a "push". What Palpatine did was nothing more than inverted roles , as the sith comes in power and dwells in politics , while the jedi would go in secrecy to gain power to finish their enemy. That didn't happens with the Ancient Sith: they achieve power or loose that , but they served the Dark Side in itself , so their order never ends.

@ArmedPotat0 5 жыл бұрын

So, is Momin a literal opposite of Kreya? Since Kreya hated the Force for the same reason Momin adore it?

@DeShawnMcDonald 5 жыл бұрын

I want a kreya book so bad her philosophy is so interesting

@TheBronzeDog 5 жыл бұрын

I was giving videos a chance to get me interested in Momin, and I think you've inadvertently pinned down why this might be my last viewing of Momin-related stuff. I'm finding him as boring as I found Kreia interesting. Equal and opposite.

@lexort4204 5 жыл бұрын

KREIA not kreya

@DeShawnMcDonald 5 жыл бұрын

@@lexort4204 we all knew who he meant

@lexort4204 5 жыл бұрын

@@DeShawnMcDonald that may be so however Kreia is probably my favorite character from SW so the spelling grated my nerves a little lol.

@ATATChat 5 жыл бұрын

Wow. Momin creeps me the hell out in the best way. Very well done!

@Raximus3000 5 жыл бұрын

Why couldn't he be in the movies?

@Numero103 5 жыл бұрын

@@Raximus3000 because he was probably just thought up when Darth Vader comic came out

@Raximus3000 5 жыл бұрын

@@Numero103 I meant it in a general sort of way, basicaly the comic created a frash character and people who are responsible for making movies with budgets at hundreds of millions can't make a force user worth a dime!

@noahliasam7407 5 жыл бұрын

Why didn't Momim went to the unknown regions to rebuild a new sith order? Would have been better writing than killing him off soo soon.

@N7spongy 5 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure if he tried to escape palpatine would try and hunt him down since he would be a threat

@luohao2321 5 жыл бұрын

Becuz it is clear that momin does not want to take on apprentices.

@noahliasam7407 5 жыл бұрын

@@N7spongy kinda true or that sith order after the Empires fall?

@shaunbowen3308 5 жыл бұрын

cyril ang who’s to say Sidious wouldn’t try to take Momin as his new apprentice.

@luohao2321 5 жыл бұрын

@@shaunbowen3308 well even if sidious wanted to take momin as his new apprentice, momin would not agree to it as he does not want to be a master or an apprentice. That's why he killed lady shaa in a duel bcos he had learnt what he needed to about the dark side and when she was of no use to him he did not hesitate to kill her. Momin is a unique sith who does not believe in serving anybody except the force itself.

@Montegoraon 5 жыл бұрын

There's some chance that the Rule of Two was actually Revan pulling an epic long con on the Sith. His holocron tricked Bane into creating a system whereby the Sith would no longer have the manpower to plunge the galaxy into war. Sure, they eventually took over, but only after a millennium of peace. I'd call that a bargain.

@caitlinsknight 5 жыл бұрын

Is Revan cannon yet? Cause I could see him doing just that

@shanewebb5561 5 жыл бұрын

@@caitlinsknight They keep teasing us about Revan. In rebels they have mentioned the mandalorian wars and in the last jedi, Luke had a relic of the jedi crusade (AKA the jedi army that Revan lead against the mandalorians).

@KEVMAN7987 5 жыл бұрын

They keep threatening to. I hope if they do they don't completely stick with the games' continuity. There are certain aspects of them I feel would damage canon. Mostly from the mmo.

@RomeTWguy 5 жыл бұрын

its just a prank bro

@leiferikson850 5 жыл бұрын

Revan simply thought out loud and said the Sith have a darwinistic society that sees brute force and wit as equaly good therefore strenght comes from both your muscles and your brain. The weak ones fall in masses- yes but for that the survivors while lower in number are better in quality compared to the Jedi. Nonetheless, quantity a quality in itself so the system is a double edged sword. Bane considered that with 2 Sith you keep the "never let your guard down" darwinistic rivalry between master & student that forces the practitioners to always give 110% but cut down all overwhelming conspiring against each other to the point were even the strongest and smartest will be brought down by a miriade of backstabers who will simply make the entire entire system collapse (again).

@Facade953 5 жыл бұрын

THAT'S the Star Wars villain we deserve and need right now.He is a brilliant artist of the Dark Side and totally devoted to his source of power unlike Vader and CRYlo Ren.

@animetheory2572 5 жыл бұрын

LegendOfLegends19100 who wins? Kylo Ren or Lord Momin

@overtlyblonde9848 4 жыл бұрын

@@animetheory2572 Lord momin I'd imagine. Kylo Ren didn't have much chance to fight proper jedi I think.

@jaieregilmore971 2 жыл бұрын

@@animetheory2572 is that even question we talking about a ancient Sith against an Amateur who thinks the dark side is all fun and games.

@lochlanferguson6035 5 жыл бұрын

Two sides of the same coin. Both the Jedi and Sith had grown to shadows of them self's because of politics.

@MatthewIanDollar 4 жыл бұрын

"In a way, Sidious became the Senate." I see what you did there.

@jeggsonvohees2201 5 жыл бұрын

Interestingly, Momin seems to be the dark side counterpart to Qui Gonn Jinn. Both dedicated their lives to directly serving a side of the Force, rather than a specific group of people or affiliation.

@GnosisZX 5 жыл бұрын

Banes successors were crap. Bane himself believed in service to the dark side as well like revan

@77wolfblade 5 жыл бұрын

sadly things can be lost/forgotten through out time.

@aliceinthewired 5 жыл бұрын

Plagueis and Sidious surpassed Bane and brought the grand plan to fruition. That's worthy of praise..

@trollzynisaacjohan1793 5 жыл бұрын

@@aliceinthewired still lost though.

@DeShawnMcDonald 5 жыл бұрын

@@aliceinthewired they definitely didn't surpass bane they just got lucky jedi became next to useless and let themselves get killed. The Jedi of old never would've allowed the use of clones to fight wars and sidious could barely handle yoda and needed Anakin to help with mace so there's no world in which he could've actually personally killed masses of jedi

@necessaryevil9438 5 жыл бұрын

DeShawn McDonald I think you underestimate Plagueis’ capabilities. Based off of what we know/seen about both Bane & Plagueis, the latter has managed to mirror & even eclipse many of the formers skill with the use of the force as well as with the lightsaber. Also Sidious at the time of ROTS wasn’t even in his prime. For a fair comparison you need to have BOTH combatants to be in their peak before you can make a fair judgement & comparison. I cannot remember the comic exactly but subsequent to order 66 & during the 2nd Jedi purge, sidious cut down multiple (I think it was like 4) captured Jedi at once in 1 saber swipe with scant effort. Bane, whilst on Tython with his Apprentice Zannah battled 5 Jedi. Were it not for the combined efforts of Zannah, he most likely would not of made it out the Sith fortress alive despite being covered in obelisks & being immersed in the Aura of the dark side engulfing the planet but more specifically the fortress itself (so basically home court advantage). **Edit:** Darth Bane is an exceptionally strong force user do not get it twisted, but you guys gotta stop with the fan girl behaviour of mindlessly & illogically overpowering characters just because you like them no offence. I love Bane too, but he is not stronger than either Sidious or Plagueis during his & their prime.

@DarkAlphaWerewolf 5 жыл бұрын

It’s funny because in Legends Sidious was so devoted to the dark side that he had become the only Sith to master the dark side. He controlled the dark side and in turn it controlled him. Basically Sidious and the dark side held each other’s hands like lovers lol. So yeah, I really hope they make that Sidious more apparent in the Disney canon, as it really demonstrates just how deeply situated he was in the immense pools of the dark side. It would seem to me that Momin found a similar method of appeasing and working with the dark side. I also find it funny that Momin doesn’t just outright state that Palpatine is withholding information and instead makes himself sound ignorant of whether Sidious is actually ignorant or just playing ignorant. (The latter being true.) as Momin had spoken to Sidious through the mask. This could mean one of two things, either Momin couldn’t read Sidious (Impenetrable thoughts being Palpatine’s specialty in Legends) or he is so self-absorbed that he didn’t bother trying. It’s funny how hypocritical the Sith all are, considering Momin is showing his own hypocrisy by discussing other Sith’s hypocrisy.

@utoresa5193 5 жыл бұрын

Legends Sidious is as god of the darkside as a mortal had been.

@rosesske2551 5 жыл бұрын

Does that make it hypocrisy-inception then?

@masterexploder9668 5 жыл бұрын

Sidious was pretty much a black hole in the Force. Kind of like Nihilus, but wasn't reliant on mass Force Drain to even keep going.

@lamhotsimamora9189 5 жыл бұрын

@@masterexploder9668 and you can actually kill him unlike nihilus where you need a wounded on the force. Dude manage to grip a star destroyer or two with no sweat

@idigamstudios7463 4 жыл бұрын

@@masterexploder9668 Nihilus didn't need to mass drain to survive he needed it the way an addict needs a fix. That was why Kreia deemed him a failure. For all his power he was a slave to his vice.

@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773 5 жыл бұрын

I find it quite facinating that the state of the Sith during The Rule of Two parallels quite a bit to the state of the Jedi during the Prequel Era. It really goes to show that both sides were not as great and what they should have been. But unlike the Sith, the Jedi returned to what they should have been with the help of Luke! And this video explains that quite perfectly imo! I cannot wait for you to delve into this further, Mr. Reading Club! :)

@77wolfblade 5 жыл бұрын

in a way order 66, opened the jedi's eyes.

@aliastheabnormal 5 жыл бұрын

In Legends continuity at least.

@RoyalMudcrab 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, canon's jedi order was screwed.

@mr.bojangles49 5 жыл бұрын

I would serve, just like Momin

@jeggsonvohees2201 5 жыл бұрын

Luke Skywalker the 2nd Are you talking about the Legends Canon, or the new Disney Canon?

@KaiserAfini 5 жыл бұрын

Bane believed in serving the dark side AND in perfection of the self via constant trials. Momin was a truer heir of the Rule of Two than Sidious and Vader ever were. So why did he lose ? Greater raw potential, more stringent training and more concentrated lore. So the current Sith had better technical skills, but this came at the expense of philosophical and spiritual components of the order.

@GnosisZX 5 жыл бұрын

KaiserAfini would been if awesome if momin found bane rather than the brotherhood of darkness aka assholes momin would spit at for calling themselves sith Momin didn’t take an apprentice early cause he didn’t feel he was wise enough in the ways of the dark side to do so had momin resurrected in banes he would see bane as true sith

@ghostzombie6397 5 жыл бұрын

He lost because he didn't have skywalker as a last name.

@orbis7466 5 жыл бұрын

He had low midichlorian count

@unholyspire2530 5 жыл бұрын

He lost cuz vader still prob has overall greater force control. So Momon I dont think was expecting him to have the strength to throw a pillar w the force still

@KaiserAfini 5 жыл бұрын

@@unholyspire2530 I think you are confusing the names of Momin with Momonga from Overlord. Ainz would just win with time magic, Momin wouldn't stand a chance.

@viewernewest 5 жыл бұрын

What was it Shak Ti said to Starkiller in the force unleashed? The Sith always betray one another, but you'll learn that soon enough.

@scottakanumba1heathen379 4 жыл бұрын

Poor Shaak Ti. Treated like the South Park "Kenny" of Star Wars. At least three different deaths.

@ArckAngel75 4 жыл бұрын

@@scottakanumba1heathen379 technically 5

@scottakanumba1heathen379 4 жыл бұрын

@@ArckAngel75 Oh my. At least my Master Luminara only got two deaths.

@rejvaik00 4 жыл бұрын

"Treachery is the way of the sith" Dooku's last thoughts before death

@rejvaik00 4 жыл бұрын

@The Nova renaissance Maris Brood is attractive

@mikevasquez1103 5 жыл бұрын

Comics like these make it all the more infuriating that the new Star Wars movies suck so hard. Why don't they just put the writers of the Vader comic in charge of writing the movies?! They clearly know what they're doing way better than any of the screen writers did.

@MGSBigBoss77 5 жыл бұрын

So agreed! Same can be said of half of the; Star Wars Legends comics too! Man they were so epic by comparison to the stuff we have today.

@mikevasquez1103 5 жыл бұрын

@@MGSBigBoss77 Comic writers such as these have one essential thing that is clearly lacking in the film writers room of Lucasfilm. They actually love star wars. If you think about it, Lord Momin's main admonition against the Sith and the Jedi applies to the writers of the new Star Wars films. Just like the Sith and Jedi used the force to serve their own ends instead of serving it, the writers of the new Star Wars movies instead of serving the greater interests of Star Wars have been using Star Wars to serve their own interests. Star Wars can no more truly belong to Disney Lucasfilm than the Mona Lisa and the Last Supper can truly belong to the restoration experts who maintain them. They are failing in their Stewardship.

@hobbiekilivan2138 5 жыл бұрын

Mike Vasquez extremely well said.

@Minx5892 5 жыл бұрын

@@mikevasquez1103 They need to bring in filoni. Filoni is star wars answer to Feige. I see the real issues with lucasfilm. Disney has part of the blame for decanonising legends, but they really just own the product. Plus how Disney can make the MCU and then do this I can't really get around. Lucasfilm makes the films and so the blame should be put on them most.

@Rammkommando 5 жыл бұрын

probably because none of those writers are experienced in screen writing if at all, writing a comic is different than writing a movie, its just like you don't seen an Author of a Novel write for a movie about their book

@coldsnap222 5 жыл бұрын

Momin is like the Qui-Gon of the sith

@ReconG 5 жыл бұрын

Loved the video today... can't wait till tomorrow's video!

@starwarsreadingclub 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the support, it is awesome to hear that you enjoyed it. :) Tomorrow's video is going to be a fun one! Although it's been difficult to have to go back and reanalyze/rethink all of Darth Bane's successes again as a huge Bane fan, it is something that is necessary in the age of Momin.

@nicholasemjohnson47 5 жыл бұрын

So both the Jedi and Sith had strayed from serving the Force to serving politics.

@kalebwhitaker9534 3 жыл бұрын

Momin would have been perfect for the new trilogy! So much potential! Can’t wait for new Momin comics!

@nil981 5 жыл бұрын

My top 5 sith lords: 1. Darth Marr 2. Lord Momin 3. Darth Vectivus 4. Darth Vader 5. Darth Krayt

@TSPH1992 4 жыл бұрын

Where's my boi Veradun?!

@jessebrown1996 5 жыл бұрын

Lord Momin>Snoke

@dcdrew8528 4 жыл бұрын

Everybody > Snoke

@rejvaik00 4 жыл бұрын

*slaps hand on table* "Thank you!" - Michael Scott

@usrofficial9884 4 жыл бұрын

probably the dumbest thing ive seen on youtube

@kevinmcdonald6979 4 жыл бұрын

Snoke: Created by palpatine.

@TruthGatherer2013 4 жыл бұрын

*farts* >snoke

@sbs3000 5 жыл бұрын

But Sidious seems to have realized that the focus on politics wasn't helping him grow in the Dark Side, at least not in the ways he wished. That's why he was building Death Stars, so he would be able to draw back from constantly overseeing the Empire, relying on the fear they'd create to "govern" for him (and perhaps increase the power of the Dark Side). Thoughts?

@aqueous5099 5 жыл бұрын

Scott B. Smith But he wished to use the dark side FOR himself to FURTHER himself, gain immortality. If Sidious were to gain the power he wanted, and essentially become a god, do you think he would claim to be a servant of the dark side?

@combinecommando001 5 жыл бұрын

@@aqueous5099 in a way, the Sith philosophy is flawed. It talks about breaking their chain and grant them their freedom but even if they achieve ultimate power, they are still puppets of the Force, bound to it like chains on their wrists.

@aqueous5099 5 жыл бұрын

Takedrugskillabear That philosophy is quite relative to the Jedi’s way of life, though. All the sith recognize the force as some higher power in one sense or another. There are just those who are fools who believe they can bend it to their own will for all eternity.

@DeShawnMcDonald 5 жыл бұрын

I honestly feel like after sidious killed his master he just kinda kept stumbling into victories rather then actually do anything on his own. Plageius (someone please spell check me lol) got Palpatine elected and put into position to become chancellor. Palpatine killed him thinking being his own master would be great but he was still a slave to his master's will and without guidance he ended up fucking everything up. He wasted so many resources on the death star he was bound to lose sooner or later

@lexort4204 5 жыл бұрын

@@DeShawnMcDonald Darth Plagueis, close but no cigar lol.

@Lord_Imperius 5 жыл бұрын

And that's one of the reasons why Momin is so interesting. He is quickly becoming one of my favourite Sith.

@alexerny5552 5 жыл бұрын

What I think is funny is that the philosophy that one needs to serve the Force HAS made its way into canon. Sort of. During Rebels Kanan Jarvis had a premonition (I believe) that he was going to die. Rather than trying to fight it, he willingly sacrificed himself to the will of the Force. And was rewarded with sight to see his apprentice and love one last time. Also, I think he had an ability to exist outside the Force as himself. Which has only really been done with Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Master Yoda. This is huge. And as far as I know he never had training or searched for that ability.

@realahsokatano5046 5 жыл бұрын

I like how Vader beat Momin, even though Vader was weakend by the lava unleashed on him by the Mustafarians. Shows how powerful Vader was

@angeryfluuf6514 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah well you're biased Snips.

@SonicSP 5 жыл бұрын

I think losing to Obi-Wan has made him more careful and use more of his Force powers, even if he is less powerful than before. Thats also my personal theory on why Vader's fighting style was so conservative in Episode IV compared to say how he more aggressive he is in Rogue One and Episode V/VI. (other than the real world reasons obvioisly). Obi-Wan beat him because of Anakin's own pride and acrobatics so so when re-facing him, he makes sure to not fall for any cheap overzealous self defeating mistakes anymore.

@DraculaCronqvist 4 жыл бұрын

The power of the Dark Side pales in comparision to the power of plot armour.

@S3Cs4uN8 4 жыл бұрын

@@DraculaCronqvist Pretty much this, he was never going to lose because if he did he'd end up dead and that kinda fucks up continuity a little bit.

@Macroburst Жыл бұрын

Vader was a great warrior, but a terrible sith

@theblackmandalorian 5 жыл бұрын

Momin has made me wonder...if Vader learned his power and imbued his helmet with it. Maybe that's why Kylo was asking for Vader to "show him again". Thoughts?

@daronma9041 5 жыл бұрын

Why wouldn't he appear as a force ghost if he had something to tell kylo???

@Calmoose415 5 жыл бұрын

Because he would appear as Anakin. Not Darth Vader. It’s pretty clear that Sith can’t become force ghosts.

@placeholdername3818 4 жыл бұрын

@@Calmoose415 I can't tell you about canon but legend sith can anchor their souls to locations.

@Calmoose415 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but this isn't legends.

@johnnygyro2295 4 жыл бұрын

Maybe it's Palpatine in Vader's helmet pretending to be him?

@PlagueOfGripes 5 жыл бұрын

The Sith always bothered me in how they have no rational motivation. To be powerful, for no reason, at the cost of everything they'd want from a normal life. Or to control the galaxy, for no reason beyond a desire for power. Even Momin allows himself to be controlled by the force, again, for no real directed purpose. I guess that's more an issue with writing Star Wars characters in general, and the Force. People are evil because they need to be, and have no real motivation beyond basic human evolutionary narcissism and an instinct for control.

@ZionStrickland 5 жыл бұрын

PlagueOfGripes one reason they try to say is that using the dark side corrupts, it forms an addiction. In Jedi, it can be a slippy slope, you use it once to make a fight easier. Then maybe you use it again, and again and again and again. For dark side users it messes with your head, making you more prone to your base emotions (it takes a strong will to constantly reassert yourself). Besides, they are (or, at least were) dark side force users besides the Sith who don’t strive for galactic domination. I also believe that it has a bit of brainwashing involved. For example, Jedi are told constantly how to act, and what is right from an early age. Sith apprentices likely go through the same thing, why else would Sith thousands of years descended from the old orders still have a burning desire to crush the Jedi? Idk, I’m tired. Pls respond and I’ll comment tomorrow after I get some sleep

@leiferikson850 5 жыл бұрын

You should read the Plageuis novel. Explains alot of their ideas. They are darwinists who believe conflict is the natural state of the cosmos and thus its needed to force the best out of everyone. Furthermore they favour meritocracy and believe that with their power and potential they are meant to lead the weak, ignorant masses. One should always desire to better one self (Peace [stagnation/resignation] is a lie - there is only passion[work/effort]) so they strife to gain as much power as possible, learn all what is to learn. And they (at least based on Plageuis), knowing how the life works, have the responsibility to work as architect of society with the goal of purging the lies of equality and pacifism and brining it in harmony with the natural state of the universe (which is a darwinistic cut-throat-world) so society should adept to that and become, in their eyes, strong.

@failtastica 5 жыл бұрын

@@leiferikson850 its more a hybridization of niechie and darwinism.

@koraxi8958 3 жыл бұрын

@@ZionStrickland It's interesting how the change from jedi to sith can happen with very little effort, on the other hand the reverse is almost never heard of. It's not impossible but it seems to be extremely rare.

@nkosig4995 3 жыл бұрын

I think it's important to note that palpitine is a special case for the sith where he is more greedy overall than actually believing any sith ideals

@ironxcrosss 5 жыл бұрын

I feel this is the point the Bendu tried to get across in Star Wars: Rebels. That in taking sides in either the light or dark, weakens ones connection with the Force. And at that modern time, it was very true as Kanan was still training under the old Jedi ways and felt a side HAD to be picked

@mariusconstantin6057 11 ай бұрын

Well the ancient Jedi did use both of them

@Strongmount 5 жыл бұрын

That moment when you think the video is winding down, but then you realize that was only the introduction. Very interesting topic and discussion. Looking forward to part 2👍

@bus6503 5 жыл бұрын

Why are we allowing Momin's words to have such weight when he was defeated by a worn out and battered Rule of 2 Sith Lord? Wouldn't the force have favored him in his duel with Vader if any of his claims had been valid? Didn't he claim that the force loved him? And still, the force was used, by Vader, to crush Momin's body. It seems more clear that the force exists, that certain individuals have a stronger connection to it and that it's possible to build on that connection through experience, education and certainly through mastering your own emotions. This notion of serving the force in order to hope that it unlocks its secrets to you seems more like misplaced faith based worship. Momin is a zealot and Sidious and Vader seem practical by comparison.

@geepreston7292 5 жыл бұрын

bus exactly what I was thinking . What if Vader won because the force favored him since he’s supposed to being “balance” to the force where as momin serve the dark side.

@Aerex12 5 жыл бұрын

You are right. The force used Momin to put the seeds in Vader to remind Vader that he is not a true sith. Momin is wrong about the prophecy as the force needed Anakin to betray the to rebuild the light side and Vader had to betray Sidious to rebuild the dark side.

@solowingborders3239 5 жыл бұрын

Aerex12 I'm in agreement with you there buddy.

@jessebrown1996 5 жыл бұрын

No, Vader by all accounts does serve the force, he is destined to bring balance to it, which is why the force allows him to live. He was right about many things, just just wasn't right that the Dark Side loved him more.

@uglyweirdo1389 5 жыл бұрын

@@Aerex12 I dont think Vader was ever important to the force. By the time Anakin put on his special magic Vader clothes the Jedi order was gone forever. The force used Anakin like a drunken prom date and dropped him twice as fast. Palpatine had ended the Sith order when he killed Hugo and every other force user in the galaxy were hiding as hard as they could. If Palpatine got bored the clones were more than capable of exterminating any stray force users for his amusement. All of Vader's time was spent crying into his helmet with occasional breaks to throw temper tantrums and get headpats from Palpatine. In the grand scheme of things all Anakin or Vader ever really did was draw attention away from Palpatine and maybe give him a laugh. Poppa Palps handled his own shit no problem.

@kaiturner669 5 жыл бұрын

Another great video SWRC. Looking forward to part 2

@SixerMason 5 жыл бұрын

The Rule of Two had nothing to do with what Momin is blathering about, it was put in place to root out the weakness and infighting plaguing the Sith in Bane's time, to let the truly powerful rise to the top and achieve things that could not be achieved by being held back by constant betrayal.

@nendymion 5 жыл бұрын

The way I always understood it was that the "Rule of Two" was put into place because Bane hypothesized that the Dark Side was not in fact infinite and was rather finite. So having multiple Sith caused the power to spread thin and thus create generally weak Sith Lords, while having just two would allow the Dark Side to focus through just those two instead of the many and consequently make the far stronger than if the force was spread through the many.

@ozzykulinski896 5 жыл бұрын

It was the likes of Momin who are responsible for downfall of the Sith. They tried to appease the Dark Side and allowed to squander the power fighting each other. Bane was a realist. He has put an end to the waste.

@tyeberiusmcintyre1879 3 жыл бұрын

and he failed at that spectacularily, all he got was a much smaller sample size of sith who were still at each others throats backstabbing and sneaking around each other.... ALL the rule of two did was become the biggest cut of sith power potential imaginable. even what feats were eventually accomplished could have been done by any scheming genius, no sith required.

@GreaterGrievobeast55 5 жыл бұрын

I can't help but wonder how momin would go about things if he was able to defeat Vader. He just doesn't seem to care about ruling over the Galaxy , or getting revenge. He'd certainly not align himself with palpatine but I don't think he'd bother hunting him down either. My guess is he would create more perverse monuments to the dark side across the stars, the empire and rebels alike suffering horrifying fates at its expense. Sidious might try to send inquisitors but they would be no match for the AINCEnt Sith. Any Jedi left would probably be too deep in hiding or not nearly powerful enough to stop him. It would be up to sidious to stop the galactic mass murderer from ruining HIS master piece, but he'd half to be careful as hell about it. Not because momin is more powerful than sidious he's not, but momin could very easily reveal that the emperor is a Sith and ruin things even further.

@ab3478 5 жыл бұрын

I think that luke wpuld beat him up

@GreaterGrievobeast55 5 жыл бұрын

General Grievous oh yeah good point! Obiwan might still be alive since Vader would be dead too

@ryankwon8785 Жыл бұрын

Darth Momin would increase his influence and find new acolytes. From that point, he will continue to serve the Dark Side and become a terrorist that creates chaos and destruction to satisfy and feed the Dark Side. He is a threat to the Republic and the Empire.

@gaminglord829sidious7 5 жыл бұрын

Fascinating video, I look forward to learning more in part 2!

@darqube 5 жыл бұрын

This has been the most interesting video/topic so far. Can't wait for part 2!

@lukasvillar9328 5 жыл бұрын

Darth Imperius is one of the most important Siths, he knew that force could be used as a tool, but he knew that all serve the Force. So he was not attracted to the light nor corrupted by the darkness, for he knew that he should navigate in the force not to hold himself to one side.

@MrMultiPat 5 жыл бұрын

Great video. I can tell you put a lot of thought into the writing and examination involved.

@siegel947 5 жыл бұрын

Now I understand why the both light and dark stray away from their teachings and becomes weak....interesting story.ty

@Stego1819 5 жыл бұрын

How are they weak? The jedi dominated the galaxy for thousands of years and after that the sith dominated it. Vader beat Momin after all. Momin is wrong he is not a true sith. A true sith doesnt serve. Neither the force nor anyone else. That is the difference between them and the jedi.

@zwleathers 5 жыл бұрын

This is the most interesting Star Wars video I’ve seen in a longggg time. Everything talked about now is just what if or theories or shit that’s been discussed over and over and over. Awesome video

@TheBohobemeister 5 жыл бұрын

As always, wonderful video Star Wars Reading Club!

@privard89 5 жыл бұрын

It's treason then

@matthewmartinez3907 5 жыл бұрын

I agree with Lord Momin that the rule of two was a mistake I myself never liked the concept of it in Star Wars.

@_mrcrypt 5 жыл бұрын

This Lord Momin guy is pretty neat. I'm glad they included him. Thanks for the video

@dcamp671 5 жыл бұрын

Great video, love the long-form deep dives. 👍👍

@matthewbosco9190 5 жыл бұрын

Ok ok let me shed some light on this first off Lord momin an ancient sith ok there were some flaws with the rule of two seeing how Darth sidious broke it twice but clearly the rule of two is more powerful and Lord momin was a interesting philosopher on the darkside but truly he didn’t understand it otherwise he be alive there are three types of Sith 1. The classic Sith serves the darkside like Lord momin but here’s the catch to that you gotta put in half the work can’t expect the darkside to help u evade death 2. Those that tried to control the darkside some succeed some fail those that fail end up rotting and aging faster that’s why some Sith were rotting there bodies becoming rotten and such some not all 3. The ones who put in more than enough work the darkside serves u like you can even cheat death Darth Vader Darth sidious Darth vitiate and Darth bane had this they controlled the darkside and that’s why they are legends to this day the point is the rule of two works it’s perfect for the Sith because guess what it took two Sith to kill 10s of thousands of Jedi how cool is that clearly the rule of two is badass and helped build up Darth Sidious and Darth Vader up

@realahsokatano5046 5 жыл бұрын

If not for meeeeeeeeeeeee....... for hypocrisyeeeeeeeeeeee!

@davidkendrick4453 5 жыл бұрын

This is outstanding analysis as well as entertaining and informative. Thanks!

@marcuswelch7335 5 жыл бұрын

Very detailed explanation nice job!

@bobbyvee260 5 жыл бұрын

Isn't it in the nature of the dark side to be self centered?

@DarkAlphaWerewolf 5 жыл бұрын

Bobby Vee Pretty much.

@mitchellhayward6492 5 жыл бұрын

I think the nature of the Dark Side is just anything negative really. For instance: death, hate, aggression, fear.

@coreymicallef365 5 жыл бұрын

Yep that's the whole reason it's an attractive ideology.

@DraculaCronqvist 5 жыл бұрын

No, the Dark Side is just a term for fools who fear the Force when it is used for evil purposes. The Force itself is neutral and has no dark or light to it. It's just that simple-minded sentients tried to categorize it.

@mitchellhayward6492 5 жыл бұрын

How do you explain the Dark Side Cave on Dagobah then? How can a nexus be strong in only one side of the Force? Or how the Force can be "in and out of balance"? How a Force-user can specifically sense the Dark Side?

@ericjefferson7262 5 жыл бұрын

Always had the view that the jedi and Sith were two sides of the same coin

@weakfrontkick 5 жыл бұрын

Why are people so obsessed with things being Cannon... Disney doesn't get to decide for me...

@SavageReality 5 жыл бұрын

Excellent breakdown, well done sir and thank you.

@jesserothhammer7378 5 жыл бұрын

Momin's opinions can't be taken as reflective of the ancient sith. He was erased from history by his contemporaries for a reason. He was an outcast. Also, if the darkside's favor went to whoever glorified it, Momin would have won. Also also, Vader loses his right hand ALL THE TIME. He's remembered as skilled, but can't make up for that flaw.

@ambiguumspectatoremespecta9803 5 жыл бұрын

Momins helmet is intact, doubt he is dead.

@animetheory2572 5 жыл бұрын

Jesse Rothhammer people keep Noting Momin lost you forget he lost due to him monologging not during the duel as he was winning

@MrMultiPat 5 жыл бұрын

I cannot open a Star Wars video that doesn't mention Momin at the moment. 😬

@thothofthemorningrisesWthesun 5 жыл бұрын

I feel like if sidious didn’t kill plagueis he would have taken the Sith to new heights, and gone down the path Momin wanted the Sith to go down. Possibly even seeking an alliance with the Jedi realizing that Balance brings true power, and it’s what the Force would want.

@helloifromthegovernmentand5657 5 жыл бұрын

I love this!! I see a movie about this would be awesome!!!

@timtam39tw 5 жыл бұрын

Yes! Well done!👍🏾

@starwarsreadingclub 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you Tammy, I very much appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment!

@MrMaxenen11 5 жыл бұрын

The Sith shouldn't serve the darkside. They use the darkside to accomplish their goals. They use it to set themselves FREE.

@matthewbosco9190 5 жыл бұрын

Max Gustafsson thank u bro too many saying how the rule of two was trash and saying Lord momin is a better Sith than Darth sidious and Darth Vader also to add to your comment there are three types of Sith 1. The classic Sith serves the darkside like Lord momin but here’s the catch to that you gotta put in half the work can’t expect the darkside to help u evade death 2. Those that tried to control the darkside some succeed some fail those that fail end up rotting and aging faster that’s why some Sith were rotting there bodies becoming rotten and such some not all 3. The ones who put in more than enough work the darkside serves u like you can even cheat death Darth Vader Darth sidious Darth vitiate and Darth bane had this they controlled the darkside and that’s why they are legends to this day

@blackshogun272 5 жыл бұрын

@@matthewbosco9190 but in the end if any mortal creature attempted to out right claim they could control the Force in its entirety or say they want to kill it like Kreia they would be struck down by the Force and turn them into soulless husks of what they used to be. Example Kreia 😔

@matthewbosco9190 5 жыл бұрын

BlackShogun 27 bro that’s him like u said he tried to destroy the force of course the force is gonna retaliate what saying is the darkside can be controlled Darth Vader Darth plagious Darth Malgus Darth vitiate Darth sidious are perfect examples of that happening bro

@lexort4204 5 жыл бұрын

They are used by the Dark side, that was part of why kreia despised the force and only used it as one would use a poison. Also Revan knew they were slaves to it and bound by its will as well.

@matthewbosco9190 5 жыл бұрын

Lexort 420 no only a select few were slaves to the darkside but as I’ve said only a rare few may control the darkside

@tankari231 4 жыл бұрын

Lord Momin: you are weak welps compared to my time of the Sith of old. Darth Vader: ok Boomer

@eccentricjoe5410 5 жыл бұрын

I love the music in the background that's been played for the past few episodes, really fits Lord Momin

@benjaminkeith1417 5 жыл бұрын

How Lord Momin Proved the Hypocrisy of the Rule of Two Era Sith Lords! - almost like has been happening for 19 years: Mormin shows, the Rule of Two Retcon *never should have existed.* Yet another Lucas retcon that cheapened the lore potential: *being mocked OPENLY by other IPs.* Its just too bad in Mormin's case...his "service" underestimated a weaker Sith's Power: and ended his "immortal existence." In the end...his own utter and blind commitment to his own philosophy: like Legends character Nihlius: made him "immortal" but extremely limited in THOUGHT and PHILOSOPHY (not as bad as Nihlius of course whose the metaphor for said state vs a living being within it). And his overconfidence of his own commitment: the assumption the Darkside would serve/save/protect him: failed him, in the face of and I quote "A stub of charred meat in a cape." Making both philosophies: blind in arrogance, and apathetic and narrow in their own philosophy: *as neither even once considered: their philosophies could be wrong.* And as older fans know, "Apathy, is death." A lesson, even as he died, Mormin: couldn't comprehend and his "lover" (the Dark Side) abandoned him accordingly. To oblivion.

@NobleWolf 5 жыл бұрын

This is why the Rule of Two Sith failed. The Jedi failed as well, even if the Sith didnt cause their downfall, the Jedi would again split into civil war. Many Jedi would break away like Count Dooku trying to find another way to fight the corruption the republic.

@ThePathStrider 5 жыл бұрын

So the Jedi and the Sith feared losing power to their enemies, which is what Palpatine told Anakin. I suppose that's the difference between repetition and actual revelation.

@spartanhuntergaming 5 жыл бұрын

Wow being ages since I watched one of your videos love the new intro. I prefer the rule of one sith they seemed more powerful and more interesting serving the darkside rather than trying to control it

@Phantom6.6.6 5 жыл бұрын

Interesting so the sith in the future that follow the rule of to have a greater amount of power but the dark side rejects them and thus destroys there body and lose out on some strengths while old order sith predating rule of two are more powerful in the way that they have a much greater link to the force and darkside and greater knowledge

@epistemo3442 5 жыл бұрын

Dark Empire Sidious disproves on what you said.

@OneWhoKnowsThings6009 5 жыл бұрын

And the sith that fallow the darkside aka serve it retains there bodies.

@Phantom6.6.6 5 жыл бұрын

@@OneWhoKnowsThings6009 that is actually backed up by sith history all sith before the rule of two have never been shown to suffer from physical deformation of their body by using the dark side but have been shown to be able to survive things most force users shouldn't while most sith after the rule of two have had their body's break down from extended use of the the dark side as they try to force it under their control

@judeskater93 5 жыл бұрын

adan daniels uhhhhhh......not quite. Sith even before the rule of two era have suffered from darkside degradation, though most aren't as bad as palpatine except for one in the tales of the Jedi King Omin. Aside from that, you have freedon nadd, the ever annoying exar kun has dealt with some darkside degradation, darth Malak, darth malgus, darth Thanaton, darth baras, even emperor vitiate. Plus there was one rule of two sith that did not suffer from dark side degradation, that being darth banes apprentice darth zannah.

@karlrovey 5 жыл бұрын

Nope. The dark side is all about trying to bend the force to your will. The only dark side users who don't experience dark side corruption are those who refuse to delve into anything more than its most basic elements and hold back due to fear of disfigurement. You could hide the disfigurement using Sith Magic, but it was still there. Anyone who truly embraces the dark side gets this disfigurement.

@peacekeeper1413 5 жыл бұрын

After the Jedi-Sith war in Bane’s Era force users on both the light and dark became significantly weak then last incarnations

@blackshogun272 5 жыл бұрын

Hell yes it did. Peeps in the New Sith Wars performed some crazy Force feats m'dude 🤣

@RomeTWguy 5 жыл бұрын

wrong, the rise of the empire era produced the most powerful sith and jedi ever

@Gor85 5 жыл бұрын

VERY interesting and excellently explained! Very nice. I think I understand Momin. Really

@LeviUlysses-mp5wg 4 жыл бұрын

Palpatine would orchestrate instances where Jedi would sometimes work against the will of the light, so they gradually ignored it more and more, till they couldn’t even hear it

@SPIDERVENOM1000 5 жыл бұрын

and yet-Momin would've allowed the jedi to grow in strenght. the sith were always doomed.

@paulgoodridge2269 5 жыл бұрын

I Consider the rule of two sith week compared to the sith of old. mainly because they lost the grandiose vision of the Sith. yes the Jedi were always a thorn in their side but the greatest threat to a Sith was another Sith that is a lesson Darth Bane never learned.

@immaasshole4964 4 жыл бұрын

Paul Goodridge that’s fucking stupid that’s the exact reason why Bane created the rule of two because the Sith weren’t getting anywhere

@vovo1256 5 жыл бұрын

Vader only learned with Sidious, and the rule of two was broken since Darth Tenebrous. Tenebbrous became addicted with the idea of eternal life. That passed down to Plagues and Sidious. The rule of two was broken because Sidious didn't want Vader to replace him, but to serve as a warrior and a tool. Darth Bane had Zannah that killed him while he was still at his full might. The same should have been made down the path, but Tenebrous broke this line. Plagues was the same. He was so focused on having eternal life that he basically ignored the rest of the powers he could have gained through the dark side. So no the so called Hipocrisy is not becouse of the rule of two, but how it came to an end in the era of Darth Tenebrus. Imagine if the sith had continually gained power after every generation!

@finnvandeven5066 5 жыл бұрын

Interesting I am excited for part 2

@AcudocFritz 5 жыл бұрын

So if this is true that one must be a servant to the force be it light or dark side to gain the power of the force. Would that mean if you served the gray or balance that one would gain from both sides of the force? Are the two sides in conflict or are they in balance. Hmmmm, makes one wonder.

@LupineShadowOmega 5 жыл бұрын

The existence of the Je'daii order basically answers all of those questions. Because the original order believed in the Force period and always experienced both sides of it in order to balance it and themselves.

@lenkagamine4145 5 жыл бұрын

well its not true Vader doesnt serve the dark side, yet Vader is still very powerful. ergo, it is empirically observable that "serving" the force doesnt do anything for your power.

@joaoalberto9531 3 жыл бұрын

@@lenkagamine4145 well, anakin is a bad example. He is the chosen one after all and all his action led to him to his fate: he brought balance to the force thus proving to be a servant albeit unknowingly.

@lenkagamine4145 3 жыл бұрын

@@joaoalberto9531 alright. Revan then for legends. Sidious for canon and legends. Valkorion, Mace windu, the list goes on. Most (Definitely not 'all', mind you) of the most powerful force users dont really 'serve' the force in any capacity. Sidious serves his own power, Revan, well, he's a player character so he can serve all sorts of different ends. Mace windu serves the republic and the jedi high council, Valkorion serves his own lust for immortality. Etc.

@VarjoFilosofi 5 жыл бұрын

Thought it was major difference between Jedi and Sith, that Jedies served the Force and and Siths used the Force for their own ambitions. Siths have always seem for me kinda "Nietzschean" Will to Power types of people, who value individualism and self-determination over everything else. Siths despise "Slave Morality" of the Jedies, who serve the Force like.. well.. slaves, whereas Siths should follow their own ambitions and think with "Master Morality". I pretty much see Momin being Sith from less advanced times and much weaker than Siths after accumulated wisdom of Rule of Two. Momin is just a slave to Force like Jedies, whereas Sith like Sidious is his own master.

@RomeTWguy 5 жыл бұрын

correct

@UnlimitedHatred 5 жыл бұрын

Yet then Vader absolutely crushes him with only moderate effort.

@nhjo 4 жыл бұрын

"What a waste of time in the eyes of Momin." 7:39 I don't know if it's the context or the delivery, but that line consistently makes me laugh for some reason. I don't know what it is, but it's as hilarious as it is true.

@Perserra 5 жыл бұрын

The Rule of Two was always more like a guideline than actual rules. There are many examples of both the Master and Apprentice in different eras keeping a secret apprentice that the other didn't know about. In fact, I'm pretty sure that was the case more often than it wasn't.

@mariusconstantin6057 11 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure Bane envisioned the Sith serving the Dark Side again after Empire was established -- nk! BANE thought they would see things of status as the tools they were not sth to hoard

@CheshireSnake 5 жыл бұрын

Kinda dissapointed at how he died though, but still a cool character.

@jp1116 Жыл бұрын

Where do you find all your art? It all looks amazing

@stevenbaumann5911 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder how powerful the Jedi and Sith would become if they achieved balance like their ancestors did?

@noobikenoobi5580 5 жыл бұрын

Is it pronounced mom-in or mo-min? I’ve heard it been used multiple times on both sides

@sisigs4820 4 жыл бұрын

Momin!!

@freezetasticvoyage19 5 жыл бұрын

If only Vader and Momin challenged Sideous.

@RomeTWguy 5 жыл бұрын

they would have died instantly

@immaasshole4964 4 жыл бұрын

freeze1 Sidious would butt fuck them both

@sirpepeofhousekek6741 3 жыл бұрын

Sidious would've roflstomped them.

@leehooper9009 5 жыл бұрын

Outstanding breakdown Sir

@dr.bright6272 5 жыл бұрын

0:40 that's the best insulting way of describing Vader. I absolutely love it

@wolfancap6897 5 жыл бұрын

SW Reading Club: "While Momin would slowly and methodically break down Vader's defences, eventually disarming the Sith lord" Me: "Disarming, funny"

@SealofPerfection 5 жыл бұрын

The Rule of Two never really was, anyway. Each of the "two" Sith usually had Force wielding minions. Palpatine had the Inquisitors and his Emperor's Hands. They were of Jedi strength. So while they weren't technically Sith....they served the Sith, they were tools of the Sith. The 2 Sith lords couldn't do it all by themselves, and regular humans couldn't or they'd have just gotten some clones to do these tasks. So you might want to call it the Rule of Two because there were two clear top dogs, but there were plenty of very powerful "assistants" required as well. And when there was a Sith Empire, there was always a ruler, and then lots of other masters and apprentices. There were less of these with the Rule of Two, but it was never "just" Two.

@UrbanDanceLegends 4 жыл бұрын

I'm wondering what era Momin and Shaa were from? After the Dark Council, but before the Brotherhood of Darkness (between 3,600-1,000 bby)? Before the Great Hyperspace War (5000 bby)? Where do they fit in the timeline?

@Tengu125 5 жыл бұрын

He's a Dark side version of a grey Jedi, got it ;) Dedicating himself to the service of the force, not merely the eradication of his enemies and obtaining and/or protecting political power. From what you told us here, it could be gathered that if the Jedi and Sith just let go of their mutual hatred it could be possible for both of the orders to flourish and coexist with eachother as well as other groups.

@jeggsonvohees2201 5 жыл бұрын

SPOILERS. If Momin's words are true, it makes you wonder why the Force let him die to Vader.

@S3Cs4uN8 4 жыл бұрын

Because he was a self-righteous git who was high on his own self-importance. So you know, typical sith.

@victorygame7296 3 жыл бұрын

Two words: chosen one

@jeggsonvohees2201 3 жыл бұрын

@@victorygame7296 No, that doesn't track as of the Disney Trilogy.

@victorygame7296 3 жыл бұрын

Jeggson Vohees Disney trilogy just does not count

@jeggsonvohees2201 3 жыл бұрын

@@victorygame7296 Afraid it does, canonically Anakin is no longer the chosen one. That went to Ray. The Momin comic is Disney Canon too, so if you're going to claim chosen one to counter it, you have to acknowledge the Disney trilogy.

@bobgatewood5277 5 жыл бұрын

sometimes i wish the force actually existed, telekinesis is mere child's play compared to the mysteries and wonder that lies within that... thing that defies all explanation

@MONKEYSCHANNEL327 4 жыл бұрын

You end up not being force sensitive ..

@TheMock5000 4 жыл бұрын

Of course Palpatine is the Senate. That's his final form

@lelouche25 5 жыл бұрын

All I'm saying, is if the new trilogy ends with a sith empire coming out of dark space? I'd be downed for that

@MGuyGadbois 5 жыл бұрын

The ancient Sith are far superior ... the Rule of Two is limiting to UNLIMITED POOOWAAAAHHH!!!!

@eduardopipinel 5 жыл бұрын

*Literally* disarming the sith lord! It's worthy to remember that Vader has been really beaten up in a battle just a few moments before their encounter.

@Mourtzouphlos240 Жыл бұрын

And Kirak Infil'a straight up overpowered him. Literally, "Smote him upon the mountainside."

@dr.bright6272 5 жыл бұрын

This guy shares my opinion of the Force, people serve it as much as it serves them, and through study and devotion to it you can achieve a deeper understanding of the Force.

@jaywalker5787 5 жыл бұрын

Darth Revan holocron to Darth Bane: "Those who use the dark side are also bound to serve it. To understand this is to understand the underlying philosophy of the Sith"