I think that the if the Sith grew into a giant clan, it would have expanded on the iconic "Star Wars" title, making a better and larger theme of good vs evil. More battles would most likely occur and possibly a bigger war than the Clone Wars/any major scale battles Pre - Star Wars Episode 1 would've happened.

As to the rule of two it was a pragmatic decision based on the needs for some stability in a world of perpetual assassination and lack of trust. By acknowledging the problem and codifying the system then some stability for the strong years of the present over lord and the provision to ensure a strong competent replacement trained in more than just fighting skills but leadership- Think of the Turkish Emirs who had their brothers strangled to ensure no civil war and social continuation and growth among'st a brutal people who could easily fall into anarchy and fail. I think the world the Prequels and the KOTOR and KOTOR II show is amazing and visionary. It is Star Wars at it's most evolved and deep, It is what most of the discussions are about precisely because there is so much to talk about rather than the original trilogy. I think even the acting is REALLY good (Palpatine!) and that the portrayal of Anakin was perfect for his insecure late teenager personality. He PLAYED HIS ROLE, perfectly. He is not Luke and this is part of why HE becomes Darth Vader not Luke The whole point about Anakin is he is really gifted but a tragic personality, not strong enough for his talents. He has a much much worse past than Luke and on top of that the wrong personality to deal with these tragedy's. He is much more arrogant AND insecure than mellow Luke and is also wrongly treated by the Jedi council with only Qui Gong being wise as too what was needed (lots of love, support AND critique) because unlike the blind suspicious Jedi Council he was open minded and in touch with what was actually going on. Yoda is not wise at this point (and later admits this) and quite blind as are the other Jedi or else they are suspicious (negative). Qui Gong loved Ani instinctively and was his father in practice if not genetically. Anakin would not have resented instruction and discipline from a secure mature loving father figure he admired rather than an 'older brother' Obi Wan to who he felt competitive. As an older man Obiwan had learned his lesson so well he forwent the traditional Jedi practice of child cult manipulation and let Luke actually have the proper family life that Anakin never had but really needed. I, myself, was less than happy when the new films came out mostly because Jar Jar was so jarring a personality. He was just an annoying clown fool I thought (like most) but now I do not think that even that is right. It is clear that either Jar Jar is a Sith himself (perhaps the senior planner who pulls the strings while being camoflaged as a fool or just a tool of Palpatine's as he is always where he needs to be to turn things Palpatine's way, including becoming THE Senator who convinces the Galactic Senate to give up liberty ala Hitler 1934 with the 'emergency proclamation' (created by the needs of the Clone wars; yet unseen by the blind Jedi and Senate). It has gotten to the point that I hardly can hardly be bothered to watch the original trilogy as they seem as the 'Hobbit' does to the 'Lord of the Rings', a simple child's nursery rhyme version of a far deeper dark complicated dangerous adult world!

Star Wars Theory if there was a rule of 2 why where there inquisitors

Star Wars Theory I love your intro dude. I wondered this too. I mean, 2 isn't exactly an order. It's a partnership. But your explanation answered my question. No there won't be a rule of two because Kylo and Snoke are not sith. Snoke told Kylo that sentiment caused the fall of the Empire. That sounds more like Yoda than it does a sith. Snoke is something else. I think he's either the shaman that taught Qui Gon part of the secret of eternal life, or a fallen angel from Millius Prime.

sorry about that

notthatinnocent86 Plagueis started doing it wrong

come one after over a thousandth years were there still just as strong as the 4 strongest jedi combined and the rule would also insure that knowledge would be lost because a apprentices that grows stronger than his master before the master could teach him all that he knows will cause a massiv lost in knowledge not to mention that if the series would be a little more realistic that would by just 2 have the sith ended a long time ago by an accident that would kill them.

Two Sith ruling the galaxy for 20 years is better than thousands ruling like half the galaxy.

that only happened because sidious chose anikan as his apprentice when he already had multiple other apprentices to choose from.

The Rule of Two is kind of stupid. I know the Old Republic era Sith were more quantity over quality, but it was much better in it's way. There probably weren't many Sith, if any, that were as powerful as Sidious and Vader, but thousands of Sith is still more powerful than just two. And with that many Sith, there's bound to be some that are truly powerful. Plus, not all of them are going to be ones that teamed up with other apprentices against their masters. It could also make some of the Sith more powerful, since they constantly would have to be fighting against their rivals in the order. The Rule of Two era Sith lacked this challenge entirely. The survival of knowledge, the discovery of knowledge, and the survival of the Sith in general would also be better off if there were more Sith. The reason for this is because there's more Sith that are researching, and more Sith to actually hold onto and protect the knowledge. And it's a bit risky having only two Sith at any one time because if those two Sith die, the whole Sith Order dies with them. That's exactly what happened in RoTJ. The Sith are much more likely to survive if there are a lot of them, even if it does cause a lot of conflict, there will always be some Sith alive.

Yoda:Killed them in 2 seconds, I would

JamesTheFox he’s OP as it is, imagine a crackhead Yoda

I think you mean Ketamine

happy JJ Can’t have Yoda In a K Hole. But I guess he would truly then become one with the force.

He should take a tab and we should watch in his pov

They'd have apprentices, but the apprentices didn't have the title of Sith tho.

More than apprentices they would try beta testing on other suspects that may have more potential than the current Sith lord, so that way the next generation would be even better.

Exactly, the rule of 2 isn't perfect

@@orbyboy123 sort of. Theyd be like bronze class members of a gym and can only train off peak hours

That sort of makes sense. You need to keep your apprentice secret because there's a very real danger your master might look at your apprentice, decide you're right, kill you and then just take your apprentice as their own. I mean, this is almost literally what happens in Return of the Jedi.

Yeah I also raised an eyebrow over that one.

@@TheMaxMaxTheMax I think how it works is that Darth Bane intended for each successive Sith apprentice to eventually become stronger than their master or die, until one apprentice succeeded, and then continue the cycle. Basically, each master must train their apprentice both as a weapon of their own will as well as to create a Sith even more powerful than themselves, knowing that they will likely kill them one day. Of course that didnt stop Sith like Sidious from trying to both create a more powerful apprentice as well as maintain control over them to preserve their own life

Like you would have to teach your apprentice everything you know while also improving on your own to surpass them, killing as many apprentices as necessary one at a time until you finally lose. It basically guarantees you wont die of old age, but it does produce powerful Sith, which is the point

Wait so sith lords have to train strong apprentices in order to then kill them later on which will in turn give them more power and make them younger? Is my interpretation correct? Because that's hella confusing. Sorry I only recently started to get into star wars lore so I'm trying to understand this. The dark side is so interesting

The only thing I can think of is that they don't really die and a the ghosts we have seen and keeping the Sith going is what gives them defacto immortality.

Craig Smith more like a death babe tv series on the books they'd be awesome because the books describe the rule of two and how palpatine got so much power

Craig Smith ehhh nah but in clone wars they would give the siths their own episodes

I've always wanted a trilogy or series focused around KOTOR/mandalorian era

There is a petition on Netflix to start a to series about the old republic

Peter Bergmann lol, I signed that! 😂

Adam Hersi 😂😂😂😂

this is so over asked lol

"What if J-E-D-I really spelled Sith?"

+Darth Vader Sand.

that video has been done allready

Darth Bane had faced this problem before but he managed to find the holocron of Darth Andeddu to solve it. Even if age ravages the Master, they would just have to find a new vessel and make it their own. That way the Master would remain youthful and strong until the apprentice is proven the strongest.

Zannah bring my lightsaber.

Also there is zero contingency - if something happens to the master before being able to train an apprentice, the line of Sith ends. Sith Lords aren’t immortal, they could die in accidents, or what if the intended fight between master and apprentice ends up killing both? Also Sidious killed Plagueis in his sleep, meaning it’s not necessarily the more powerful fighter who continues the line. That’s why I always believed there must be some secret contingency plan, like another watcher in the background who would interfere if such a disaster happened. Not necessarily Jar-Jar of course.

@@magicmulder deep. hadn't thought about it to that extent, but that's exactly right. i see the Sith as a cross between a cult and the mafia. the only way to survive and to thrive is they have to have a code, a higher calling (that everyone adheres to) that supersedes personal interests, and puts the order's interests above all else.

Evolution doesn't weed out the weak, just the least adaptable. Tigers are in danger of extinction, while mice thrive despite humans putting consecrated effort into exterminating them.

Fools with plotshields. Fight with Snoke? 1. Snoke is Force grabbing people and playing with them a puppets 2. Snoke dies Fight with Luke? 1. Ren is threshing air like damn wheat 2. Luke's ghost is dead Only one movie I know with worse fighting scenes is _Tekken_ and that includes both parodies and comedies.

@Brenden Malloy The emperor died in Episode 6.

@@RoboEpic Welp I can tell you didn't watch the trashy ep 9 That crap runes anakin sacrifice it was said he would end the sith and that's exactly what he did in ep6 but Disney had to F*** it all up to make a crappy poorly written sequel trilogy for money that's why for me the sequel trilogy never happened

Those 2 jackasses were fools.

True bro

Santiago León JJ did a great job of making the rule actually make sense

WoahBlow how?? He came up with the knights of ren bullshit and didn’t even give sith the surname of ‘darth’

Santiago León knights of aren’t sith

@@woahblow4127 yeah I'd like you to explain how the end of this trilogy makes the rule of two make More sense... While your at it explain why they don't belittle the original trilogy...

Tyler Sandiford they literally explain it, very explicitly. The masters keep it going because they feel the power and understand it makes the sith more or less. Take 1 apprentice, groom them to be a suitable vessel

Yeh I know it's so weird to look at

Did you know that if you look at the stories they are the same with new characters?

Guys. I'm the real Big Smoke. You must believe me!

Big Smoke hell yeah how's grove street

Big Smoke thats wgat i was just commenting lolol

I hate to burst your bubble but it’s not a part of the canon, it won’t likely happen. I’d love to see it happen though.

@@haydenhill28 The old canon had the Brotherhood of Darkness, they likely should be canon, even if it might never be confirmed officially by Disney, because they're the reason Darth Bane created the rule of two.

There won’t be any sith in the new trilogy so forget the dark council

That literally makes no sense. You're telling me 1000 Sith Lords is weaker than just 2?

​@@Evan8787 there is 1000 dark side points, you have an apprentice and a master, they each get 500 , you get 1000 siths they each get 1 point. That's how I interpret it, siths are selfish so they wouldn't want to share their power anyways. While jedis only use the power for protection of others.

Mosts of this is true but not because of some limit of the dark side but because the sith betrayed each other too often the dark side and the light side are no different in the level of power they have just the users. The rule of two was made because of Bane's younger life with his very abusive father and uncaring people not because of the dark side being venom it just so happened to work instead of killing the sith off.

Darth Vader 😂 100% true

I would love a "What if Mace Windu was a Sith Lord" Video

Jumbojay420 i think he would over throw palpatine around the mid clone wars time and take maul or his brother as his aprentice

Obi wan+Anakin vs Emperor Windu and Darth Maul...god damn that would be epic.

I maybe even see Windu creating an Anti-Vaapad form where it turns light energy against itself

holice kaderli III He also didn't see vader because he was so 'sucked in' to concentrating on the force lightning and didn't fewl the disturbance in the force

It´s one of the failures of the Ro2 arrogant masters.

''When you remove yourself from the natural order of survival of the fittest long enough you become weak.'' As someone who has lived that life, no. You do not.

@@ErraticFaith Evolution is about challenges. Becoming strong is about challenges. Take all the challenges out of life, and you become soft. If you go to the gym, and workout every day, you become strong. If you spend that time sitting on the couch, watching television, and eating junk food, instead, you get soft and weak, because there is no challenge to watching television, like there is in working out at the gym. .

Oh it’s not really about that at all. Do keep the tired cliches coming though. Like the people who originally spouted all that drivel, you’re missing a key element. Any sort of mind of your own.

I don't think JJ had much choice. Johnson didn't leave him a lot of avenues to explore by closing all of the things that TFA set up with a casual wave of his hand. Not that JJ's innocent in this whole mess though. If he had just created a different bunch of antagonists for the good guys to face instead of a lamer version of the Empire he wouldn't have had to scramble to figure out a way to end the trilogy.

@@BP-dn9nv exactly. What a fuckin mess. Disney and their bullshit can just fuck off man, ruined pretty much everything I thought I knew about starwars 😪😅

agreed and he got so easily defeated like if he could get his lightsaber he probably would have 1v2ed kylo and Rey easily

Liam nah man they were like assassins kinda like asaj ventress an apprentice was like a successor

They're more like pawns.

Liam they have ties with the force but it’s minimal

They were previous jedi turned over to the dark side. In function and rank they are just force sensitive assassin's. kinda what Darth Maul was supposed to be before he became the apprentice of Darth sidious.

Nope, they're just Dark Jedi

cant blame writers for giving an excuse as to why palpatine was all alone with his half-robo robin, i think removing rule of 2 and saying the jedi wiped them out wouldve made the jedi more imposing vs the space christians they supposedly are?

I think the implication is that the Sith were becoming weak enough due to their own internal conflicts that their end at the hands ot the Jedi was actually becoming close to inevitable. Darth Bane finished the job for them, sure, but in a way that ensured that eventually a much more powerful Sith would emerge who could end the Jedi.

Bane was the best thing to happen to the sith the brotherhood of darkness and the sith as a whole before them was destroying itself left and right with infighting and it’s a serious problem when weak apprentices can gang up on a dark lord and kill them then install a weaker substitute. The sith were still a major galactic power their enemies belived them dead but they were hiding in plain sight as politicians, artisans, builders, and prominent figures in the galaxy. Hell Plagueis himself was the former head of the intergalactic banking clan. Plus while they were in hiding they were amassing power, bane was already stronger then any of the sith that existed in the brotherhood of darkness and each successive master was stronger than bane.

Order 66.

Lph PhD They would’ve never pulled off Order 66 if the clones hadn’t been made

@@TheHoodedReaper yeah , and the clones were made because of palpi boy

@Basic mandalorian *Sifo Dias

Hell I would've settled for Darth Sidious still, but I'd they like actually included lore. Like what if Sidious learned the ancient Sith magics of necromancy and basically pulled a Voldemort by leaving his soul tethered to a sarcophagus (just for example) inside an ancient Sith temple. And then he could say he put it there before he even started training Anakin, because he knew that he would be an incredibly powerful Sith and why would he risk his own life, knowing the nature of Sith apprentices

Well plagueis is character pretty much no one likes or even knows

Some have theorized that, because earlier Je'daii believed that the force was a yin and yang type deal. Always in balance, one to oppose the other. That no matter how many or who followed the dark or light, the two forces of Ashla and Bogan would always find balance to equal and oppose each other. You can read it hinted in earlier (no longer canon) timeline books during the Old Republic Era. ;) The later Jedi didn't really follow this belief and teaching though. So it's a difference between the old and new eras.

Sounds like the speed FORCE From dc comics

Who are you

JMPHeinz 57 I was thinking along those line also

Always thought about this Quality over Quantity

Than he dies. It stops one master-apprentice line not the entire existence of the sith. There are multiple ways to obtain information about the sith way than just learning stuff from your master. There are books and holocrons, or they learn things from eachother. In the comic series ''Darth Vader'' you'll learn that Sith Masters don''t often give their students information like Jedi's give to their students. A sith student needs to obtain information through spying, threatening people or murdering them for information. There is a scene in the (I think) 1st issue where Vader asks something to Palpetine and Palpetine answers ''A Lord of the Sith asking questions and expecting them to be meekly answered? You are a poor apprentice if you think so...'' so there you go. Hope I answered that question for you.

Yeah I have to agree. Seems to me that one bad motivator in the hyperdrive when the Master and Apprentice are off to a murder world for training, and they come out of hyperspace inside a star or bounce off an asteroid.

Chris Chiss I would think that there would be Sith Holocrons that the apprentice could learn from

I know you think that with only two Sith if there was the slightest accident the Sith are gone forever, but that's not right. If a Sith Lord were to, say, wreck his Harley or get shot with a blaster, he deserved to die as it would mean he was weak/foolish and therefore unworthy of being a Sith. The rule of two was DESIGNED to get rid of the weak/unworthy/accident-prone.

Aaron Pierce I agree, that makes sense. Still incredible.

They tried that. In fighting still continued. Which is why two there always should be, no more, no less.

Hammerglaze I think he's already done a video about that.

Hammerglaze Spoilers bro, jeez

If you haven't watched it you shouldn't watch this video :P

unknown1233454848384 At least it wasn't a tide pod race.

Just punch Watto in the face, steal the hyperdrive and run off

#necro I personally don't identify with either the Jedi or the Sith. One teaches that you should purge yourself of all human emotion, which means you lose the ability to be empathetic towards others. The other teaches that you should completely give in to your emotions, particularly your negative ones, and basically become a giant bag of dicks who only cares about himself.

The only school of Force users that is actually built to last is Grey Jedi.

@Arcturus Blake Gray jedi is better than the nihilistic scum you had in the Prequels, there´s a reason why Kenan and Ahsoka are popular characters, gray jedi add in a layer of character development to the jedi.

@@HunterStiles651 grey is where its at

Except Grey Jedi isn't a thing

He didn't train multiple apprentices at once tho. He started training savage after he thought he succeeded in getting ventress killed

@@Zanoladab And neither Savage or Ventress were actual apprentices, they were just assasins.

dooku wasnt a master he was an apprentice Sidious tho he a fool

Lol

+Darth Vader So, you'd just stand still on that carrier, speak out your words to the high ground that is individually a sheer nothingness?

You should have giving him the LAVA GROUND!

More than one character would still have a dick

Matt Fahey thats fucking amazing

the sith wouldnt have won

Raja V Than we would have one more jobber Jedi to serve as cannon fodder.

Interesting! At least one more Jedi to survive during the rise of the Empire wouldn't be that bad.

Yves Heinrich and I figured he would go with Organa and maybe be trained by obi wan or Yoda and then be a master to luke

+Raja V I was thinking of that too! It really makes sense as well if it would've happened. It'd bring much more hope to the galaxy than expected.

I saw that clip the other day, but he didn't save him, he was trying to get away from the clones and Organa just happens to show up when he was making his getaway.

sequels are shit non canons disney shit gtfo

Geo Xev She Would Be Dead

She would've been killed during the jedi purge

Anakin probably would not join the dark side as easy actually

If she never left Anakin wouldnt have disliked the jedi council as much as he did.

And even if He Did Join the Dark side, Ahsoka would've tried to turn him back.. and because Padme hadn't died yet, Anakin might've came to his senses and returned back to the light side.

Yautja Prime aren't we all slaves to something

@CoreReport Exactly, that is how I would have identified in the starwars universe.

@@drizzy6302 Anyone enslaved can be freed and most people's prisons are in their own mind.

CoreReport what are the grey jedi?

@@thejazer1580 Grey Jedi aren't really an order, so much as a loose classification for Jedi that are no longer purely aligned with the light side of the force, yet also do not necessarily embrace the dark side. They tend to regard the Force as tool, much as the Sith do; but since they do not embrace the dark side they do not fall prey to ambition or lust for power. The Jedi tend to keep as close a track on Grey Jedi as possible; as most of them are not a part of the Order, the Jedi have little authority over them, and are concerned they might become Dark Jedi (Jedi that have embraced the dark side, not entirely dissimilar to the Sith).

Darth Vader Blame whiny Anakin. Most people do.

I wonder if you know who Revan is.

The Cheshire Cat yea, he was good, bane is the best in my opinion

Ah all right :) Care to enlighten your opinion? ^^ I respect it, but I am just curious :P

The Cheshire Cat first off, I respect your opinion, and I see your reasons if even is your fav, but why u love bane so much is: 1. he started training in his 20's, and quickly surpassed everyone, killing ALL teachers and fellow students. 2. Had a parasitic armor suit that protected him from lightsaber and anything else, except lightning. 3. Transferred his soul into another person. 4. learned all of revan's skills from his holocron. 5. made his own holocron. 6. killed hundred of Jedi mastered and created new and old forms of combat. 7. curved hilt added edge to combat. what are your reasons for your opinions?

That's basically Revan.

Flipping Chips I agree which is why Mace Windu is one of the most powerful force sensitive beings and the most in his age group

Agreed Mace Windu and Revan both picture the ideal.

Don’t Forget Qui Gon Jinn. He also felt the force wasn’t just light or dark.

Assessment basic, Harder try, focus more, you will.

Brandon Murray no as ventress was a dark Jedi assassin/ sith assassin as the rule of two says there will only be 2 sith Lords a master and apprentice but wasn't limited in using other force sensitive creatures as tools to gain power but not being the sith assassin to their level

But the question still stands: Wouldn't Sidious want Ventress to fight Dooku and see who would be more powerful? Ordering Dooku to kill her just seems cowardly

Dario Colon good point I would have just done that

Sidious didn't care about Dooku or Ventress in the long run, and simply wanted a reliable placeholder/primary agent to carry out orders regarding the Sith until Anakin was prime for turning to the dark side. Sidious wouldn't have wanted Ventress possibly killing Dooku in a fair fight, and so simply told Dooku to kill her so as to tie up some loose ends prior to Sidious then disposing of Dooku in episode III, effectively eliminating all other dark side users other than himself.

If anything, he was enforcing the rule of two. A few random dark side thugs is one thing, but at this point Darth Sidious had two apprentices and was violating the rule. He was also beginning to see the inevitable consequence of breaking that rule.

Strength doesn't just come from brute force, the Sith acknowledge cunning. When Darth Bane declared the rule of 2, he realized; that secrecy and deception were the weapons of the sith, not fight Jedi with large armies rather through the shadows and manipulating events.

To add to the above comment, Sidious eventually became more powerful than his master and Vader would have become more powerful than Sidious had he not gotten volcanoed.

They did loop holes, for "Sith Assassins" Maul was allegedly one. Savage and Ventress were as well. Its supposed to mean. Only 2 sith Lords. At a time.

I agree

Aproximate the rule of two means a master and a apprentice

Obi-wan Kenobi That‘s not what the rule of Two is about. It only says that a Master should only train one apprentice at a time, however not that multiple Masters aren’t able to trains one apprentice each. Palpatine only ever had 1 apprentice at a time, he first trained Maul, then Doku. Doku only trained Ventress, since Grievous is more of. a droid and definitely not a Sith.

Schokobär Wasabi but dooku also trained savage oppress ?

Well, it does in a way because the Master and the Apprentice could gain knowledge and power easily because of their longer lifetimes.

No, the force is within all livings beings. There is no 'light' side. The dark side is a corruption of that force, like a cancer.

Bane just wanted the sith to stop being weak and be more aware of knowledge in the force, Bane did nothing wrong.

Lucas had 4 years since the game released to make that canon... why didn’t he?

They needed to control the darkside and sith have trouble controlling it to begin with, but Lawful evil sith like Krayt showcase the potential of the sith.

For the most part they.... well tried to skirt around it unsuccessfully.

@@fangsabre cue Darth Vader yeeting Starkiller out of his ship the moment Sidious walked in on them in The Force Unleashed.

@@InfernoScorpion14 *b e g o n e*

siduous fucked it

@@JosefZeethuven Yeah he had Vader, Starkiller, Shadow Guards, Inquisitors, A Grand Inquisitor, Emperor's Hand, probably some other dark side users that will be introduced later. Obviously these aren't all shared in one canon but it's not like the movies where Sidious just has Vader doing all the dirty work.

Yes, it horrifying

Yes and no, lightsabers have no color in black and white

Darth Maul was never meant to become a true apprentice but someone to carry out assassination for Sidious when he was still an apprentice to Plagueis. There was a time when Sidious was considering on making him a true apprentice after he killed his master but since he was defeated, he was unworthy of the title and had to be replaced with Tyranus.

Yes, but the rule of two includes apprentices. “Always two, there are. No more, no less. *A master and an **_apprentice.”_*

DaisytheFox The thing is, sidious himself disrespected the rule of two. That being said, he thought maul as somewhat of a true apprentice. After learning his death(or at least his supposed death), he took a new knew apprentice dooku, but sidious thought him only as a disposable pawn.

In the extended canon, the Sith on multiple occassions wiped out the republic and the jedi. Yet every single time, just as they were about to win, they became greedy and turned on each other as they were desperate to be in power after victory. This meant that they would always end up sabotaging their own victory and success at the last moment. The Dark Side carries with it many advantages. One of them is ruthlessness and an absolute lack of morals to restrict their behavior. This can give an advantage over their enemies. But it also means that they lack true unity, born out of compassion and respect. The inevitably self-destruct while the good guys would rather die than turn on each other.

Didn’t Palpatine achieve pseudo immortality through clones in Legends?

@@roronoalaw7772yes but he was later defeated again in Legends. The basic point still stands. The Rule of Two produces superior Sith while balancing their innate ambition.

Gaming Boy Boba Fett did survive the sarlaac pit.