I forgot about Altuve until the end. Definitely in that mortal lock (100%) or finishing touches (95%) category. That’s my bad. Glad BBD called it out.
@shootmdmАй бұрын
Classic Astros and Altuve hate. Smh.
@hustlecrowe9440Ай бұрын
He's Cano - cheater
@shootmdmАй бұрын
@@hustlecrowe9440 his a hof. You clown
@RyanTJohnsonАй бұрын
I was about to go off in these comments lol
@baileysmith4744Ай бұрын
dont know about 95+%, but if he puts together the same season he has the last 2 years to end this year and next year, he gets there. he most definitely gets 50% on a ballot, but i dont know about more than that
@24bobdylanАй бұрын
What does Freddie Freeman have left to prove? 60 WAR, 330 HRs, career .300 avg and .900 OPS. I think he’s a lock
@i_own_adogАй бұрын
I agree. If Goldschmidt is a lock, Freddie should be too.
@rdk2323Ай бұрын
Plus an MVP and WS
@seplays228026 күн бұрын
So true, when it’s all said and done Freddie has a better career than both Goldschmidt and votto
@FTLnovaKid6 күн бұрын
Yea
@thedistantprinceinyouremai6345Ай бұрын
Jose Ramirez will be in Cleveland’s hall of fame no matter what, he is beloved
@jakelangs8848Ай бұрын
A JRam statue next to Thome's is a lock.
@holdenfegan16138 күн бұрын
I did the math, he’s around 2 more full seasons and at his pace he can become the undisputed Cleveland offensive goat. He could lead in basically every counting stat with very remarkable averages
@malanblake2299Ай бұрын
I will literally watch anything Foolish ever does
@Haha_You_FoolАй бұрын
@@Ryan-zl3bnwhat the fuck are you talking about?
@kennye7201Ай бұрын
@@Ryan-zl3bnweirdo bro
@trealville23Ай бұрын
Same. Bailey is the goat
@jimharper2180Ай бұрын
Chris Sale is currently the *all-time* leader in SO/9. That doesn't get talked about enough.
@maxbouratoglou6718Ай бұрын
degrom for k/bb i'm pretty sure. both should get in.
@RainerWarrior666Ай бұрын
If they ever played...
@yungbisharpАй бұрын
@@RainerWarrior666Chris Sale has pitched nearly 2000 innings lmao, he’s played
@williamb.8762Ай бұрын
The least IP for a post-integration HOF starter is Koufax at 2,324. Sale doesn't have the peak. I'd like to see Sale get to at least 2,600 before I'd think about putting him in. I guess all pitches post-2010 are at a disadvantage, but they gain that advantage back in numbers like SO/9. The top six guys in SO/9 are currently playing right now. With how injury-prone he was in Boston I can't see him getting enough WAR to have a great shot. Would like to be wrong obviously.
@benrios7902Ай бұрын
Well it's correct to say that where things stand today if his career was over Chris sale would not and should not get into the Hall of Fame however who's to say that if he doesn't have another two to three seasons like this season that he won't
@user-pz7mx4np6iАй бұрын
Lindor FWAR: 50.4 Harper FWAR: 51 Machado FWAR: 51.1 JRam FWAR: 48.3 Arenado FWAR: 48.8 Lindor is the youngest of that group, by three years in some cases. Unless he completely falls off a cliff within the next two or three years I don’t see how he doesn’t get in while the others do. Hell, he has a chance of passing Jeter in war. War isn’t everything and those guys at their best are better while Lindor is just consistent , but I don’t see how he doesn’t get in if he continues to just accumulate. The number would just be too big to keep him out.
@user-pz7mx4np6iАй бұрын
Also, Altuve: 56.7, four years older than
@ToketreeАй бұрын
Now show their BA, RBIs, slug, ops., playoff wins lmao you can’t choose one random a$$ stat and say that means you belong in the hall of fame 😂
@fiercedeitylink2019Ай бұрын
@@Toketree how about the stat specifically made for that? JAWS, which averages a player's career bWAR and their seven best bWAR season (bWAR7), puts lindor at 42.2, 28th all-time for shortshops, which will only go up as he accumulates more WAR and better seasons. Each player's career JAWS on this list is: Lindor - 42.2, 28th Harper - 43.6, 30th (for right field, woild be 34th for 1B) Machado - 48.9, 20th J-Ram - 44.4, 26th Arenado - 49.7, 19th
@isaacschaaf9652Ай бұрын
@@Toketreeif you think WAR is “one random ass stat” then you have absolutely no clue about the Hall of Fame or baseball stats in general
@dominic64tblightning24Ай бұрын
I think all of those guys will end up getting in, I'd put all of them over 50%.
@jake3198Ай бұрын
Ight bro I ain’t no Astros fan but not talking about Altuve is crazy 😂
@fignons_missing_8sec4Ай бұрын
He's a cheater. They don't go into the Hall of Fame.
@blakebaty1192Ай бұрын
Me when I'm stupid @@fignons_missing_8sec4
@obtusemoooseАй бұрын
@@fignons_missing_8sec4 cough ortiz cough
@harper-leightonscott4566Ай бұрын
@@obtusemooose Ortiz didn't cheat
@zacharysanborn8989Ай бұрын
the hall of fame doesn’t look kindly on cheaters…. anyone on the 2017 astro team doesnt deserve the hall of fame
@dunkirknolan7018Ай бұрын
Clayton Kershaw, Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman, Max Scherzer, Jose Altuve, Mike Trout, Justin Verlander, Paul Goldschmidt, Zack Greinke, Joey Votto
@jameskenny7082Ай бұрын
Greinke isn't active bruh
@itsjeff9613Ай бұрын
@@jameskenny7082 He also isn't retired.
@jacobbyers7914Ай бұрын
Craziest part is Darvish could mayyybe accumulate 3,000 stateside K's... it'd be a lot more likely if COVID didn't happen and he wasn't dealing with injury/family stuff this year
@joeyartkАй бұрын
Darvish without injury is a sure hall of famer. Unfortunately he had alot of injuries he pitched through which Inflated his ERA.
@DRay210Ай бұрын
If we change the perception of a HOF pitcher, then Felix has to get in.
@baileysmith4744Ай бұрын
Felix has to get in regardless, but he isnt active
@harper-leightonscott4566Ай бұрын
@@baileysmith4744Felix is probably not getting in his 2nd half of his career is rough
@harper-leightonscott4566Ай бұрын
Not with those 2nd half numbers
@goldmember19-fh5ekАй бұрын
But you're only changing perception of a HOF pitcher because the modern pitcher usage is so drastically different than historical usage that it only makes sense to compare future HOF pitchers against their contemporaries versus historical pitchers, which doesn't affect guys who played in an era where pitcher usage was in line with historical averages.
@nicholaso4302Ай бұрын
@@harper-leightonscott4566as is Andruw jones’. He’s probably getting in
@ChannelMan434Ай бұрын
Honestly I think Bernie Williams as a hall of famer is some of the biggest Yankee fan cope I’ve heard. He is pretty much the definition of half of very good and you absolutely cannot argue for him being in without putting in Kenny Lofton, Jim Edmonds, and Andruw Jones first.
@mooninites755Ай бұрын
I mean, Jim Edmonds is literally better than about 15 OF's already in the Hall, he should absolutely be in the conversation and it was criminal that he fall off the ballot in 1 year.
@ChannelMan434Ай бұрын
@@mooninites755 Lofton too, they were on similar levels in terms of full career contributions
@pinverarityАй бұрын
And Will Clark.
@hendog5396Ай бұрын
Willi Castro is a LOCK🔒😤
@santumi2298Ай бұрын
tigers legend
@peterskrobola8753Ай бұрын
I really wish the Tigers actually could have developed him. Such a likable player who has been turned into an all star by a division rival
@CexeeScopeАй бұрын
Idk why but jake saying ‘wow’ at the very end is hilarious 🤣🤣
@lordxelizorАй бұрын
If McCutchen gets to 350 HR and 250 SB, he’ll join just Bonds, Mays, Sheffield, Dawson, and Beltran to do so. The SBs will be hard but the hall loves power speed center fielders
@roydonk8989Ай бұрын
He’s 32 SBs away from 250 but he has only 33 stolen bases since his age 31 season. Not sure if it’s realistic he hits both. 40 more HRs is no bargain either
@lordxelizorАй бұрын
@@roydonk8989 no yeah it’s definitely more of an if question than a when question but if he gets there, I think he’s got a shot at the hall. I would vote for him either way his current production but those are simple bench marks that people can look at and think “yeah, that’s a hall of famer”
@worldwidesensationАй бұрын
this is a dream blunt rotation tbh
@jackoverton2254Ай бұрын
And the one dude nonverbal in the corner 😭
@worldwidesensationАй бұрын
@@jackoverton2254yes exactlyy😭😭
@eitanmagaliff9772Ай бұрын
deGrom’s HOF odds are my Roman Empire.
@BKF0Ай бұрын
I really think Sale and Cole should be together in the same tier. Cole's case seems to be pretty locked in barring major injury or performance fall-off, but Sale seems to be viewed with an unusual level of scrutiny for someone with his level of performance. Sale is 2 years older, and they are within 10 career innings pitched of each other. Sale has dealt with injuries, but when he's healthy, he's proving that he is still at the top of the game, and another 2-3 full seasons of being good (not even great necessarily) would give him the resume in my opinion. If he continues to perform like he has this season, I think his case will become a lock. He's already the greatest strikeout pitcher of this generation, and while he hasn't won a Cy Young yet, he has a 7-year stretch of finishing T6 in Cy Young voting, and looks like he's about to start another streak. Chris Sale is truly one of the most elite pitchers to touch a mound in the last 15 years, and if he can hit ~2300 innings without a total deterioration in performance, he will be a hall of famer. 35:28 on this point, one name who doesn't get enough love on this stuff is Emmanuel Clase. He has an essentially invincible skillset, and is one of the few recent relievers who has a true hold on the closer role. In other words, he's 26, has 139 saves, and a 230 ERA+. Through his age-26 season, Edwin Diaz had 2 more saves (Clase will eclipse him by end of season) and an ERA+ a full 100 points lower. Clase is that dude.
@jamesschenck3786Ай бұрын
I was upset that they didn’t mention Clase. He’s gonna likely finish with 50+ saves barring any injuries which will make him a 3x consecutive save leader. He’s got arguably the most unhitable pitch in baseball right now in his cutter, and is just having one of the best starts to a relievers career ever. Problem is he was suspended for a full season due to PED’s so he could be a case of that’s ultimately what keeps him out
@hellothisis9893Ай бұрын
@@jamesschenck3786I doubt the PED thing would be something that holds him out UNLESS he gets dinged again
@TenaciousACАй бұрын
Diaz was at ‘Kimbrel’ pace until the missed year. Clase is on ‘Kimbrel’ pace now. 😧
@cnking27Ай бұрын
Sale’s problem is going to be the guys going in ahead of him. He’s going to go up for the hall right in that dead zone following Verlander, Greinke, Scherzer, and Kershaw, 70+ WAR guys. Cole will have a couple more years to buffer that where writers will have a chance to see what pitcher resumes are going to start to look like. I do think he needs another K title or an ERA title pretty bad, finishing second in the cy young to Corey kluber in 2017 hurts him a lot.
@ericfellner2689Ай бұрын
Best two baseball KZfaqrs combined. Love when you guys work together.
@FacloFormerFavoriteАй бұрын
The MLB HOF is so interesting when comparing players. There’s the era they played in, defensive value, peak value, career value, WAR, the eye test.
@jonathanmontgomery5178Ай бұрын
Why didn’t Bailey mention OOTP A’s legend Chris Baker?
@owen______Ай бұрын
I feel very strong that José Ramirez will be a HOFer if he can manage a steady decline over the next 8 or so years it think he's got it.
@mooninites755Ай бұрын
He's also been with Cleveland his entire career and likely will retire with Cleveland. The writers love that type of stuff. I think he has a really good chance of getting in unless he falls off a cliff like Andruw Jones
@jasonjohnston4766Ай бұрын
Hes so underrated if he had the same career in New York or the dodgers as hes having in Cleveland he’d get so much more love
@andrewlewis8223Ай бұрын
Just have foolish on every episode at this point. I love hearing him cook in a podcast format. Jake’s alright too
@connorkimball3064Ай бұрын
I know gunnars half way through his 2nd season but this dude is just STACKING WAR.
@mx4159Ай бұрын
Yea 13.5 bwar through a season and a half is ridiculous
@chrismechalke4503Ай бұрын
He is 0.4 War away from Kyle Schwarber
@aryelovestrand2143Ай бұрын
@@chrismechalke4503this is the funniest shit I've ever seen holy fuck
@cabwaylingo_Ай бұрын
yeah similar to other young dudes like witt and julio, thing is you can't predict if any one of those guys are suddenly gonna hit a wall or get destroyed by injuries and just burn out or put up bad WAR seasons for some years and then its over. so hard to try to predict, but man i wouldn't be shocked if gunnar randomly ends up being arod lol
@garrett6865Ай бұрын
Obviously if he averages 10 war a year he’s gonna make it, but he’s just not going to do it
@blairmcbride5437Ай бұрын
How on earth could Foolish say Goldschmidt is a lock but not Freddie Freeman.
@clarktownsend8991Ай бұрын
I don't know I don't see Goldy as a lock. He has to play for 3 more years to be a lock.
@maxwellsingsАй бұрын
@@blairmcbride5437 Goldy has played longer
@harper-leightonscott4566Ай бұрын
@@clarktownsend8991no he doesn't especially how he is playing... He's in.
@skalty986811 күн бұрын
He’s biased to the Gold Gloves clearly
@Ricey167Ай бұрын
Altuve has a 52 war….
@justavictim9432Ай бұрын
And he has 8 Minute Maid Park trash can adjusted WAR
@harrisonrichards7036Ай бұрын
@@justavictim9432 cornball
@ahsahm3996Ай бұрын
@justavictim9432 He didn’t use the trash cans worms for brains and posted a .381/.449/.633 slash line on the road.
@hansari8697Ай бұрын
@@justavictim9432 Yea he's horrible. He has more game winning post season HR's than Trout and Votto have playoff games played. When you are 85 years old you will remember 3-4 of Altuve's big moments but none of Trouts, Votto's or even Mookie's.
@yungbisharpАй бұрын
Zack Wheeler deserves to be in these discussions ngl
@turdferguson8266Ай бұрын
If Joey Votto is a Hall of Famer then Lance Berkman should’ve had more votes. Go compare the numbers. Berkman also had a stellar playoff resume
@mooninites755Ай бұрын
Berkman is probably a veteran's committee guy
@samuelharris2848Ай бұрын
I'm not against the use of WAR, but there's a lot more that goes into determining a HOF career than just looking at WAR. There are a lot of hall of famers with 40-55 WAR that just did 1 thing well. Lou Brock only had 45 WAR, but he was one of the best base stealers of his generation. Similar story with David Ortiz and hitting home runs. Scott Rolen was able to accumulate a lot of value by being a well rounded player, but was a more controversial case than Ortiz or Brock because he didnt do any one thing exceptionally well.
@ekersonАй бұрын
WAR is a stat for people that don't understand baseball
@fiercedeitylink2019Ай бұрын
@@ekerson🤡
@mooninites755Ай бұрын
I mean, Rolen was one of the best defensive third basemen ever. He had 8 gold glove awards. He should have been a slam dunk HoF case had it not been for the absurd standards for third base. Rolen also had a solid back half career, but on Toronto and the Reds so he kind of faded into obscurity after being on some very good Cardinals teams, whereas that didn't really happen for Brock and Ortiz
@samuelharris2848Ай бұрын
@@mooninites755 yeah, it's probably not right, but a HOF case can be lost by fading at the end of your career unless your an obvious case like Pujols or Griffey Jr.
@skalty986811 күн бұрын
@@ekersonwhat a silly thing to say
@marzix427Ай бұрын
Freeman, Altuve, Goldshmidt, Arenado, Salvador Perez, Harper, and Votto are locks to get in. Kershaw, Scherzer, Verlander, and Greinke are in. I do not think you can even have the conversations with anyone else because some players just fall off.
@andrewtaylor1492Ай бұрын
There’s multiple baseball Pioneers that are in the Hall of Fame that only have 500 hits and about 10 home runs
@cujoespoАй бұрын
I love HOF discussions for some reason, and I could not disagree with ANYTHING you guys said. Great job here.
@iamrangers8351Ай бұрын
I actually love wake n Jake. just take a gummy and enjoy
@mateplays7107Ай бұрын
Speaking Jacob
@thomassexton6783Ай бұрын
Thurmond Munson should be a Hall of Famer
@zachgeisel5253Ай бұрын
Clase has 140 saves and just turned 26. Averages 40 ish a year. Just sayin
@DammSheFineАй бұрын
Man what an episode. Thank you both!
@funkerman7Ай бұрын
You guys forgot Andres Munoz as HoF lock
@williamb.8762Ай бұрын
It's a shame to me that Altuve will be denied first-ballot because of the sign-stealing thing but Mookie will waltz right in.
@JayTempleАй бұрын
If Gerritt Cole doesn't get into the Hall, future generations will use him as a point of comparison for their own pitchers.
@colinnicholson749Ай бұрын
I’m a reds fan and whenever Aroldis Chapman came into the game, we knew we had won. He was an absolute slam the door closer from 12-15
@andrewduncan3214Ай бұрын
definitely putting manny in that arenado category. especially since he PROBABLY should have an mvp (2022)
@FoolishBaseballАй бұрын
Manny deserves to be in the Arenado category but not sure if HOF voters would feel the same
@jamesweldon8118Ай бұрын
Bailey is KZfaq hof lock 🔒
@baylenrutherford9601Ай бұрын
I might be crazy, but how does Altuve not get mentioned it is the hall of FAME, one of the most influential fifteen players of the last fifteen years. Go Rockies, Doyle is going to be HOF
@rodneypatterson8262Ай бұрын
Freddie could retire today and be in. He’s easily a 100% category here
@jsu9575m29 күн бұрын
I worry about Acuna's chances because it's already so difficult to make it...but he essentially has now lost a big chunk of his prime 2020- shortened covid season 2021- half a season ACL 2022- average stats after returning 2023- MVP 2024- missed most of season with another acl That is a lot of games missing from prime years to build hof case
@jrave5353Ай бұрын
Jake + Bailey is my favorite combo in the world
@Katsos44Ай бұрын
Literally had an hour long conversation in the shower about this to myself, so hyped
@redasdu84Ай бұрын
Lol I get you, I have this type of conversation to myself every day, wondering who is a Hofer and who's not
@jordandimarzio6322Ай бұрын
Addie Joss is the only person the 10 years played requirement was waved for like you said because he died the other time the requirement has been waved was the 5 years retired to be eligible and that was for Clemente also because he died
@kjkesselring754Ай бұрын
Awesome conversation! Spinning off to retired numbers. Cutch might not make the hall but should have 22 locked down in Pittsburgh. What other guys might not reach Cooperstown but deserve their team's highest honor, and what guys will be like Rolen making the HOF but no retired number?
@criticalmix2644Ай бұрын
Quick and dirty two-minute estimate: Depending on how far one looks back, there have been an average of about three player inductees each year. The average length of an inductee's career is about 18 years. So one would expect approximately 54 current players to eventually be inducted. Another two minutes of googling did not turn up how many HOF'ers were active in each season, but that graph would be straightforward for Jimmy to create.
@bigkahuna5381Ай бұрын
I’m gonna be the old head yelling for degrom just because of the first half of 2021
@dylandolisi374Ай бұрын
I know I’m biased as a Royals fan, but I get soooo tired of the framing argument against Salvi. He literally won the platinum glove and multiple gold gloves and gets punished for not deceiving bad umpires as much as some other guys??
@itsjeff9613Ай бұрын
IMO Vladdy should be in the young hitters categories, he has very similar numbers through their age 25 years (or will once Vladdy's age 25 season is over). He also has shown the durability to get to needed milestones (500 HR/3000 Hits), plus you know the MLB wants a hall of fame father and son combo.
@ringostarrBestBeatle28 күн бұрын
on degrom's innings, he actually was/is a workhorse. on the mets he would go 8 innings of 1 run ball, he just got hurt. without injuries (even if you dock his efficiency), his hof case is just as good if not better than verlander, scherzer or even kershaw
@maicon_132 күн бұрын
No way its better than those 3 😂
@DavidLittlefield3Ай бұрын
Clase should for sure be mentioned as the young possibilities category
@RoysorbАй бұрын
Seager is near his career norms really, the dead ball/juiced ball nonsense really affects some of these hitters imo Also wheres altuve at?
@TwimsFan7 күн бұрын
Not giving a vote to Salvy solely based on framing is ludicrous.
@pigpottyАй бұрын
Nice words for Keith Law’s favorite 4th or 5th starter, Aaron Nola
@Interest_In_Everything27 күн бұрын
Corey Seager Is the reincarnated Troy Tulowitzki.
@yahcrackАй бұрын
ALTUVE IS A LOCK. NO MATTER HOW MUCH PEOPLE HATE HIM. HE’S A HALL OF FAMER.
@PHXNKVHXLICАй бұрын
Who is Altive?
@jakefollensbeeАй бұрын
If bonds isn't in for cheating then he shouldn't be either
@nou7611Ай бұрын
@@jakefollensbeeAltuve will get in regardless he didn’t use the sign stealing
@FacloFormerFavoriteАй бұрын
@@jakefollensbeeyou’re right they should both be in
@cliftonbennett6420Ай бұрын
@@nou7611that cheater will never get in cope he’s this generation’s bonds
@brindlereo5972Ай бұрын
You guys should do a bracket challenge of the best mustaches of mlb
@christiantudino7660Ай бұрын
Between Bernie Williams and Jorge Posada, I think it goes to Bernie just based on the fact that he’s got a Latin Grammy nomination.
@Dune24Ай бұрын
Jake I adore you but the fit hat combo is CRAZY
@patrickt66424 күн бұрын
Judge would be number 1.i think chris sale is only pitcher beside kershaw
@CaseyXuerebАй бұрын
Buster Posey: 3 time WS champion, ROY, MVP, 2012 Batting title, 2x Comeback player of the Year, Gold Glove, 5x Silver Slugger, 7x All Star, Hank Aaron Award. He'll be in the HOF. No questions asked
@Gamerzplaya25Ай бұрын
Tatis Jr is a another potential young guy that came prove it in his 30s
@Alex-it7msАй бұрын
Salvador Perez gotta be up there no?
@completezach3279Ай бұрын
I think he would be if it weren't injuries
@1TightMinuteАй бұрын
it’s funny to me that the New York Yankees got busted doing a sign stealing computer aided centerfield camera scheme in 2017 that they supposedly ran in 15 16 and parts of 17. They were disciplined by the MLB in a sealed letter. The Red Sox also got busted in 2017 for a similar scheme using an Apple Watch to rely the signal. The Astros got busted using a trash can in 2017 which somehow makes it worse. All three of these teams cheated the exact same way/The exact same year and only the Astros seem to bear the weight of the public opinion. They say “ours wasn’t is bad bc we only did it when a runner was in second”. How does that make it any better? You only cheated when it matter the most. That makes it better? Personally I find it incredible hard to believe that you would take all the time in the world to develop a computer program to decode signs and not use it. That’s like catching your kid with a fake ID and believing him when he said he got it so that he could rent a car to pick you up from the airport. If Altuve doesn’t deserve it then neither does Judge, Betts, or Ortiz. Cheating is cheating.
@trealville23Ай бұрын
Cope
@1TightMinuteАй бұрын
@@trealville23 is it? Bc it happened and yankee fans are the ones that scream the loudest so….
@1TightMinuteАй бұрын
@@trealville23 is it? Bc it did all happen and it is all cheating that was disciplined by the MLB. Shouldn’t we apply the same standards to everyone? Yankees fans seemed to be the ones that scream the loudest about it also which is funny to me.
@nyyandnyk27Ай бұрын
Except that it’s proven they weren’t using the same scheme? Altuve’s case is that he wasn’t involved per investigation. The scandal is overblown anyway, but it’s stupid to act like all the teams schemes were equal. “Most people in the industry believe there are degrees of crimes that exist, and the Astros, to this point, have been shown to have had the most egregious system. The Red Sox, the Yankees, the Dodgers were all using the lesser system, the base-runner system.” - Author of that sign stealing book that covered the whole league
@skalty986811 күн бұрын
Because the Astros won 👍no one gives a fuck if you cheat and lose
@skexyАй бұрын
Stanton looked like a HoF lock until he went to the Yankees
@lucaslostoski8839Ай бұрын
What about Emmanuel Clase as a potential 400 save guy?
@hensonburk-fawcett2750Ай бұрын
One of my favorite questions to think about!
@wallacecreed474625 күн бұрын
Stanton: Writers ballot might be tough but I'm 100% sure a Veterans Committee would put him in. Nola: Feels like the knuckle curve and his style of pitching is sustainable through his 30s and he will reach 3K Ks No mention of Tatis but if hes just a walking 5 WAR through his 20s and can still drop 30 homers in his 30s will anyone care about the PEDs
@mse326Ай бұрын
When it comes to WAR it is important to realize that as players get better overall the top WAR likely falls. That is because the best of the best are improving, if at all, at a slower rate than the bottom simply because there isn't as much room for improvement. So if the best stay relatively equal but the bottom moves then the top WAR goes down as the replacement level and average for other nomalized stats goes up.
@brianontiveros-kersch2412Ай бұрын
No mention of Tatis was honestly a bit of a surprise
@maxwellsingsАй бұрын
@@brianontiveros-kersch2412 steroids ruin his case
@fignons_missing_8sec4Ай бұрын
@@brianontiveros-kersch2412 Hall of Fame has been very clear: no steroid users unless their name is Ortiz.
@lamelosballs5763Ай бұрын
@@maxwellsingsit’s been well documented that wasn’t intentful steroid use in his career. I think if sosa can find a way in with his unwatered roid claims, tatis has a chance
@maxwellsingsАй бұрын
@@lamelosballs5763 he won't tho lol
@nathanielanderson206Ай бұрын
Did they not mention Judge or did I space out and miss it?
@danday969727 күн бұрын
How are those giys locks right now? If their careers ended today. Which one has better numbers than helton who just now barely got in
@Snatal13Ай бұрын
Hard to say betts is in with the current final numbers. Obviously his accolades and numbers so far are crazy but the reason he just didn't play anymore would be the determining factor a la Kirby Puckett who also had better numbers at the time he stopped. Also if goldschmidt is a lock so is freeman and if Rolen is in so is arenado
@spoonszАй бұрын
Molina has an extra 200 runs saved with his framing but salvy has 200 more runs with his offense so it evens out 😂
@Mottly.Ай бұрын
Clase I think should be in the category with Hader tbh
@SimplyDeekАй бұрын
Wooo! Afternoon Jakey
@kylelay6858Ай бұрын
If Votto is a lock (which he is) then Freddie is too. 902 career OPS, .301 BA, 2200+ hits and 335 HR’s. 60 WAR. He’s in
@danday969727 күн бұрын
How is that a lock? His numbers aren't as good as Helton who just finally got in
@gusbuck5466Ай бұрын
I think the pitch clock unfortunately killed Sandy Alcántara’s chance. Before the pc he was better every year, won a Cy Young, and was one of the few pitcher your expected to go 7+ IP with 2 or fewer runs in every start. He also was only 26 when he won the Cy Young. Doing that even with a little regression for another 4-5 years would have been great. And put him in track. Instead PC brought a ton of regression to his stats and landed him on the long term IL.
@harrisonbaylor1432Ай бұрын
This is an interesting subject when you are trying to take war into count. Jeter and Rolen have nearly the same war but one guy was one vote shy of 100% in his first year and the other guy barely made it and a lot of people don’t think he should be in.
@blank_echosАй бұрын
Salvi. Perez.
@harper-leightonscott4566Ай бұрын
Eh
@chrisbartolini1508Ай бұрын
Don’t forget the elephant in the room that everyone who played since 2020 has lost at least 102 career games. Not insignificant for your counting stats.
@andrewduncan3214Ай бұрын
no altuve mention?
@abradantcb5024Ай бұрын
Yeah for the short kings at least
@KyleJoseph-vo6vpАй бұрын
He'll forever be known as a cheater...cry about it
@shootmdmАй бұрын
@@KyleJoseph-vo6vpto bad his for sure hof haha. Take the L. You clown.
Foolish on Wake n Jake is absolutely must listen. Over under on Foolish and Jollys adopted child having a baseball name?
@RyanTJohnsonАй бұрын
Jake a big market snob? noooooo....
@asdfaeouАй бұрын
Jake's "BBD Sense" was going off at the end there?
@user-hm1pp2nn6bАй бұрын
Did they even mention Aaron Judge
@brianmurphy205Ай бұрын
Clase could of been mentioned on the tail end of pitchers
@justavictim9432Ай бұрын
As a Guards fan, I love Clase but he's 4 years in. Way too early to talk about him yet
@jakelangs8848Ай бұрын
3-4 more years of Clase doing his thing, and the conversation will have some more steam.
@colecarnes4315Ай бұрын
He already got caught with roids. Hes out already like tatis
@ashishkhatri2771Ай бұрын
A reliever needs well over a decade of elite play to even be in the conversation.
@mtvervАй бұрын
If Salvador Perez gets to 300 HR and he doesn’t get in when only 7 other dudes have done it in the history of the game then what are we doing? In my mind the moment Salvy gets to 300 HR he becomes a Lock… P.S. Edit- Jake says his “Heart can’t analyze Defensive WAR from past years” when he just slighted Salvy for his own WAR total. Just putting it out there the Homer is strong with this one…
@haydendaldegan3734Ай бұрын
more episodes with bailey!
@SkanMLLАй бұрын
What if degrom transitioned into a closer?
@basedjenny7362Ай бұрын
Altuve best second baseman of the millennium
@favoriteben67_86Ай бұрын
best cheating second baseman. That won't fly when he needs votes for HOF
@matthewpulizos3444Ай бұрын
Did we forget that Yelich has a MVP, 300 doubles, 200 HRs, 200 stolen bases, over 40 WAR and he’s 32 having a great season.
@matlawАй бұрын
they mention yelich at 25:07
@ScreamingRamenАй бұрын
Literally the first name they said in the episode
@sirwilliamraleigh2100Ай бұрын
Not hof stats
@razdowerАй бұрын
@@sirwilliamraleigh2100 I agree. Those are Bobby Abreu numbers. Through his age 32 season, Abreu had 375 doubles, 205 HR, 271 SB, and a slash line of .302/.412/.507 and he's a Hall of Fam... no wait edit, oh and he had 49.5 bWAR and a higher OPS+ than Yelich
@joshuascott3428Ай бұрын
@@razdowerAbreu should be in the hall of fame so he’s a snub not undeserving
@XansbyАй бұрын
What about Harper?
@user-cl7cm8jy6wАй бұрын
Yordan is the best pure hitter in the last decade
@jacobfeliciano9005Ай бұрын
Judge blows him out of the water.
@corbinm5237Ай бұрын
This is more so a question for Bailey than Jake,but where do you draw the line between Goldschmidt and Freeman where one is a shoe in and one still has to solidify their case? Personally I agree that if you had to pick one it’s Goldschmidt,but I don’t see much separating them stats or accolades wise to the point where there’s really a distinction to be made.
@skalty986811 күн бұрын
Yeah Freeman beats Goldschmidt in a lot. Stat wise, Goldschmidt slightly beats out in WAR and home runs, and considerably in stolen bases, but other than that he only has 3 more gold gloves and 2 more silver sluggers on Freeman. Freeman beats him everywhere else
@jbb982 күн бұрын
@@skalty9868this is true, plus I believe that Freddie has been slightly more consistent throughout his career than Goldschmidt. I know ppl don't care about that but his production throughout his career at his level so consistently is more valuable than some of the extra accolades that Goldy has