I forgot about Altuve until the end. Definitely in that mortal lock (100%) or finishing touches (95%) category. That’s my bad. Glad BBD called it out.

What does Freddie Freeman have left to prove? 60 WAR, 330 HRs, career .300 avg and .900 OPS. I think he’s a lock

Jose Ramirez will be in Cleveland’s hall of fame no matter what, he is beloved

I will literally watch anything Foolish ever does

Chris Sale is currently the *all-time* leader in SO/9. That doesn't get talked about enough.

Lindor FWAR: 50.4 Harper FWAR: 51 Machado FWAR: 51.1 JRam FWAR: 48.3 Arenado FWAR: 48.8 Lindor is the youngest of that group, by three years in some cases. Unless he completely falls off a cliff within the next two or three years I don’t see how he doesn’t get in while the others do. Hell, he has a chance of passing Jeter in war. War isn’t everything and those guys at their best are better while Lindor is just consistent , but I don’t see how he doesn’t get in if he continues to just accumulate. The number would just be too big to keep him out.

Ight bro I ain’t no Astros fan but not talking about Altuve is crazy 😂

Clayton Kershaw, Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman, Max Scherzer, Jose Altuve, Mike Trout, Justin Verlander, Paul Goldschmidt, Zack Greinke, Joey Votto

Craziest part is Darvish could mayyybe accumulate 3,000 stateside K's... it'd be a lot more likely if COVID didn't happen and he wasn't dealing with injury/family stuff this year

If we change the perception of a HOF pitcher, then Felix has to get in.

Honestly I think Bernie Williams as a hall of famer is some of the biggest Yankee fan cope I’ve heard. He is pretty much the definition of half of very good and you absolutely cannot argue for him being in without putting in Kenny Lofton, Jim Edmonds, and Andruw Jones first.

Willi Castro is a LOCK🔒😤

Idk why but jake saying ‘wow’ at the very end is hilarious 🤣🤣

If McCutchen gets to 350 HR and 250 SB, he’ll join just Bonds, Mays, Sheffield, Dawson, and Beltran to do so. The SBs will be hard but the hall loves power speed center fielders

this is a dream blunt rotation tbh

deGrom’s HOF odds are my Roman Empire.

I really think Sale and Cole should be together in the same tier. Cole's case seems to be pretty locked in barring major injury or performance fall-off, but Sale seems to be viewed with an unusual level of scrutiny for someone with his level of performance. Sale is 2 years older, and they are within 10 career innings pitched of each other. Sale has dealt with injuries, but when he's healthy, he's proving that he is still at the top of the game, and another 2-3 full seasons of being good (not even great necessarily) would give him the resume in my opinion. If he continues to perform like he has this season, I think his case will become a lock. He's already the greatest strikeout pitcher of this generation, and while he hasn't won a Cy Young yet, he has a 7-year stretch of finishing T6 in Cy Young voting, and looks like he's about to start another streak. Chris Sale is truly one of the most elite pitchers to touch a mound in the last 15 years, and if he can hit ~2300 innings without a total deterioration in performance, he will be a hall of famer. 35:28 on this point, one name who doesn't get enough love on this stuff is Emmanuel Clase. He has an essentially invincible skillset, and is one of the few recent relievers who has a true hold on the closer role. In other words, he's 26, has 139 saves, and a 230 ERA+. Through his age-26 season, Edwin Diaz had 2 more saves (Clase will eclipse him by end of season) and an ERA+ a full 100 points lower. Clase is that dude.

Best two baseball KZfaqrs combined. Love when you guys work together.

The MLB HOF is so interesting when comparing players. There’s the era they played in, defensive value, peak value, career value, WAR, the eye test.

Why didn’t Bailey mention OOTP A’s legend Chris Baker?

I feel very strong that José Ramirez will be a HOFer if he can manage a steady decline over the next 8 or so years it think he's got it.

Just have foolish on every episode at this point. I love hearing him cook in a podcast format. Jake’s alright too

I know gunnars half way through his 2nd season but this dude is just STACKING WAR.

How on earth could Foolish say Goldschmidt is a lock but not Freddie Freeman.

Altuve has a 52 war….

Zack Wheeler deserves to be in these discussions ngl

If Joey Votto is a Hall of Famer then Lance Berkman should’ve had more votes. Go compare the numbers. Berkman also had a stellar playoff resume

I'm not against the use of WAR, but there's a lot more that goes into determining a HOF career than just looking at WAR. There are a lot of hall of famers with 40-55 WAR that just did 1 thing well. Lou Brock only had 45 WAR, but he was one of the best base stealers of his generation. Similar story with David Ortiz and hitting home runs. Scott Rolen was able to accumulate a lot of value by being a well rounded player, but was a more controversial case than Ortiz or Brock because he didnt do any one thing exceptionally well.

Freeman, Altuve, Goldshmidt, Arenado, Salvador Perez, Harper, and Votto are locks to get in. Kershaw, Scherzer, Verlander, and Greinke are in. I do not think you can even have the conversations with anyone else because some players just fall off.

There’s multiple baseball Pioneers that are in the Hall of Fame that only have 500 hits and about 10 home runs

I love HOF discussions for some reason, and I could not disagree with ANYTHING you guys said. Great job here.

I actually love wake n Jake. just take a gummy and enjoy

Speaking Jacob

Thurmond Munson should be a Hall of Famer

Clase has 140 saves and just turned 26. Averages 40 ish a year. Just sayin

Man what an episode. Thank you both!

You guys forgot Andres Munoz as HoF lock

It's a shame to me that Altuve will be denied first-ballot because of the sign-stealing thing but Mookie will waltz right in.

If Gerritt Cole doesn't get into the Hall, future generations will use him as a point of comparison for their own pitchers.

I’m a reds fan and whenever Aroldis Chapman came into the game, we knew we had won. He was an absolute slam the door closer from 12-15

definitely putting manny in that arenado category. especially since he PROBABLY should have an mvp (2022)

Bailey is KZfaq hof lock 🔒

I might be crazy, but how does Altuve not get mentioned it is the hall of FAME, one of the most influential fifteen players of the last fifteen years. Go Rockies, Doyle is going to be HOF

Freddie could retire today and be in. He’s easily a 100% category here

I worry about Acuna's chances because it's already so difficult to make it...but he essentially has now lost a big chunk of his prime 2020- shortened covid season 2021- half a season ACL 2022- average stats after returning 2023- MVP 2024- missed most of season with another acl That is a lot of games missing from prime years to build hof case

Jake + Bailey is my favorite combo in the world

Literally had an hour long conversation in the shower about this to myself, so hyped

Addie Joss is the only person the 10 years played requirement was waved for like you said because he died the other time the requirement has been waved was the 5 years retired to be eligible and that was for Clemente also because he died

Awesome conversation! Spinning off to retired numbers. Cutch might not make the hall but should have 22 locked down in Pittsburgh. What other guys might not reach Cooperstown but deserve their team's highest honor, and what guys will be like Rolen making the HOF but no retired number?

Quick and dirty two-minute estimate: Depending on how far one looks back, there have been an average of about three player inductees each year. The average length of an inductee's career is about 18 years. So one would expect approximately 54 current players to eventually be inducted. Another two minutes of googling did not turn up how many HOF'ers were active in each season, but that graph would be straightforward for Jimmy to create.

I’m gonna be the old head yelling for degrom just because of the first half of 2021

I know I’m biased as a Royals fan, but I get soooo tired of the framing argument against Salvi. He literally won the platinum glove and multiple gold gloves and gets punished for not deceiving bad umpires as much as some other guys??

IMO Vladdy should be in the young hitters categories, he has very similar numbers through their age 25 years (or will once Vladdy's age 25 season is over). He also has shown the durability to get to needed milestones (500 HR/3000 Hits), plus you know the MLB wants a hall of fame father and son combo.

on degrom's innings, he actually was/is a workhorse. on the mets he would go 8 innings of 1 run ball, he just got hurt. without injuries (even if you dock his efficiency), his hof case is just as good if not better than verlander, scherzer or even kershaw

Clase should for sure be mentioned as the young possibilities category

Seager is near his career norms really, the dead ball/juiced ball nonsense really affects some of these hitters imo Also wheres altuve at?

Not giving a vote to Salvy solely based on framing is ludicrous.

Nice words for Keith Law’s favorite 4th or 5th starter, Aaron Nola

Corey Seager Is the reincarnated Troy Tulowitzki.

ALTUVE IS A LOCK. NO MATTER HOW MUCH PEOPLE HATE HIM. HE’S A HALL OF FAMER.

You guys should do a bracket challenge of the best mustaches of mlb

Between Bernie Williams and Jorge Posada, I think it goes to Bernie just based on the fact that he’s got a Latin Grammy nomination.

Jake I adore you but the fit hat combo is CRAZY

Judge would be number 1.i think chris sale is only pitcher beside kershaw

Buster Posey: 3 time WS champion, ROY, MVP, 2012 Batting title, 2x Comeback player of the Year, Gold Glove, 5x Silver Slugger, 7x All Star, Hank Aaron Award. He'll be in the HOF. No questions asked

Tatis Jr is a another potential young guy that came prove it in his 30s

Salvador Perez gotta be up there no?

⁠it’s funny to me that the New York Yankees got busted doing a sign stealing computer aided centerfield camera scheme in 2017 that they supposedly ran in 15 16 and parts of 17. They were disciplined by the MLB in a sealed letter. The Red Sox also got busted in 2017 for a similar scheme using an Apple Watch to rely the signal. The Astros got busted using a trash can in 2017 which somehow makes it worse. All three of these teams cheated the exact same way/The exact same year and only the Astros seem to bear the weight of the public opinion. They say “ours wasn’t is bad bc we only did it when a runner was in second”. How does that make it any better? You only cheated when it matter the most. That makes it better? Personally I find it incredible hard to believe that you would take all the time in the world to develop a computer program to decode signs and not use it. That’s like catching your kid with a fake ID and believing him when he said he got it so that he could rent a car to pick you up from the airport. If Altuve doesn’t deserve it then neither does Judge, Betts, or Ortiz. Cheating is cheating.

Stanton looked like a HoF lock until he went to the Yankees

What about Emmanuel Clase as a potential 400 save guy?

One of my favorite questions to think about!

Stanton: Writers ballot might be tough but I'm 100% sure a Veterans Committee would put him in. Nola: Feels like the knuckle curve and his style of pitching is sustainable through his 30s and he will reach 3K Ks No mention of Tatis but if hes just a walking 5 WAR through his 20s and can still drop 30 homers in his 30s will anyone care about the PEDs

When it comes to WAR it is important to realize that as players get better overall the top WAR likely falls. That is because the best of the best are improving, if at all, at a slower rate than the bottom simply because there isn't as much room for improvement. So if the best stay relatively equal but the bottom moves then the top WAR goes down as the replacement level and average for other nomalized stats goes up.

No mention of Tatis was honestly a bit of a surprise

Did they not mention Judge or did I space out and miss it?

How are those giys locks right now? If their careers ended today. Which one has better numbers than helton who just now barely got in

Hard to say betts is in with the current final numbers. Obviously his accolades and numbers so far are crazy but the reason he just didn't play anymore would be the determining factor a la Kirby Puckett who also had better numbers at the time he stopped. Also if goldschmidt is a lock so is freeman and if Rolen is in so is arenado

Molina has an extra 200 runs saved with his framing but salvy has 200 more runs with his offense so it evens out 😂

Clase I think should be in the category with Hader tbh

Wooo! Afternoon Jakey

If Votto is a lock (which he is) then Freddie is too. 902 career OPS, .301 BA, 2200+ hits and 335 HR’s. 60 WAR. He’s in

I think the pitch clock unfortunately killed Sandy Alcántara’s chance. Before the pc he was better every year, won a Cy Young, and was one of the few pitcher your expected to go 7+ IP with 2 or fewer runs in every start. He also was only 26 when he won the Cy Young. Doing that even with a little regression for another 4-5 years would have been great. And put him in track. Instead PC brought a ton of regression to his stats and landed him on the long term IL.

This is an interesting subject when you are trying to take war into count. Jeter and Rolen have nearly the same war but one guy was one vote shy of 100% in his first year and the other guy barely made it and a lot of people don’t think he should be in.

Salvi. Perez.

Don’t forget the elephant in the room that everyone who played since 2020 has lost at least 102 career games. Not insignificant for your counting stats.

no altuve mention?

Foolish on Wake n Jake is absolutely must listen. Over under on Foolish and Jollys adopted child having a baseball name?

Jake a big market snob? noooooo....

Jake's "BBD Sense" was going off at the end there?

Did they even mention Aaron Judge

Clase could of been mentioned on the tail end of pitchers

If Salvador Perez gets to 300 HR and he doesn’t get in when only 7 other dudes have done it in the history of the game then what are we doing? In my mind the moment Salvy gets to 300 HR he becomes a Lock… P.S. Edit- Jake says his “Heart can’t analyze Defensive WAR from past years” when he just slighted Salvy for his own WAR total. Just putting it out there the Homer is strong with this one…

more episodes with bailey!

What if degrom transitioned into a closer?

Altuve best second baseman of the millennium

Did we forget that Yelich has a MVP, 300 doubles, 200 HRs, 200 stolen bases, over 40 WAR and he’s 32 having a great season.

What about Harper?

Yordan is the best pure hitter in the last decade

This is more so a question for Bailey than Jake,but where do you draw the line between Goldschmidt and Freeman where one is a shoe in and one still has to solidify their case? Personally I agree that if you had to pick one it’s Goldschmidt,but I don’t see much separating them stats or accolades wise to the point where there’s really a distinction to be made.

Yes, Yu Darvish is a hall of famer.