Yes, recovery is the key to superior performances and regular intense training.

TRT is nearly impossible to use with a TUE. You need hypogonadism or something similar to be granted a TUE for TRT and physician prescription for low T doesn't qualify.

Lame

You can get a TUE for ADHD meds, Testosterone is much harder.

@@realalbertan true but nobody is withdrawing from the race because they’re on trt. Ironman probably wouldn’t even strictly enforce that because they would limit their participant base for older age groups.

@@stevesears8241 well by the rules they are supposed to get a TUE in adavance. For other drugs the TUE process varies by country. Here in Canada non testing pool athletes can get a retroactive TUE for certain drugs like ADHD.

There isn’t a single person that is even moderately competitive that doesn’t know taking testosterone is cheating

I would guess it is pretty evenly distributed amongst athletes over 50. Under 50 I would say is more heavily concentrated at the top.

@@TJ.at.DimondBikes When I raced Kona under 50, none other than Vinokourov won my age group! The pro that won the race I qualified at has since been caught for doping... (That is before many purchased speed: - skin suit, aero kit, bikes... or drafted - some even rode with mates (can be particularly helpful to women age groupers and older guys in less speedy age groups). - lengthy pre-race travel/recovery/hotel stay in advance - especially for those that came from SA, 12 time zones and some very long flights away... ...)

While blood doping is a banned method most doping bans are for substances and methods that are much more common.

Focusmen what kind of doping you talking about?

I didnt even know about this product SARMS... I m definitely has-been. I have just checked it and well, it´s weird, no doubt at all or a very very curious coincidence.... You might be right.

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@@TJ.at.DimondBikes Thanks a lot!

You mean, age groupers aren’t as desperate to win as pros?! Naive.

I can easily believe it

Me neither and I agree with you because old dinosaurs like me still think that the triathlon is a sport - precisely - invented to demonstrate how far we can go WITHOUT doping. With the power of will and determination. Therefore, it was meant to be a clean sport for amateurs at least. Well, it´s not.

​@@jonathanlaue3460 What I think she is trying to express is what I also felt when I first started the triathlon in 1993. Triathlon was precisely a challenge against oneself. The demonstration that we could achieve incredible things without using any of these enhancement drugs/plants or synthetic substances. It doesnt mean we werent interested in winning but winning cheating wasnt rewarding for me, at least. Therefore triathlon was the last island, the very last clean sport on earth by nature. It seems like I was completely wrong and I was also a naive doubled of an idiot.... That´s pretty sad but as you said, it makes sense.

Me too. What will apart from the detrimental effect on ones health an AG win at Kona get you? Money? Prestige among the handful of people who know you won your AG?

Millions of medications are safely allowed both out of competition and in competition. Therapeutic Use Exemptions are granted if an athletes needs a medication and is not deemed to gain an unfair advantage. It is also important to remember that sport participation is a privilege and not a right.

@@TJ.at.DimondBikes I was more curious if you had an idea of what an athlete could do if they were on medication that was medically necessary but also banned? Does the TUE depend on your doctors reasoning or does WADA/Ironman control/approve them overall? Do they not compete since it’s not a right? I would love to coach one day and I just don’t know how to treat that situation or what the “right” course of action would be.

Yes, similar to if you were busted for drugs and served a ban you can come back and race.

B12 injections are also prohibited from WADA.

Well, he is a convicted drafter with or without video evidence. Calling him out is just pointing out that breaking the rules doesn't take account of intent.

Panadol is currently allowed in competition and out of competition. Other narcotic pain medications are not allowed in competition.

I'm not sure it matters, but the current rules clearly prohibit PEDs for amateurs and pros. Also, what good are rules if they aren't enforced.

All medications should be checked on globaldro.com some antidepressant medications are banned.

Many sports ban caffeine too

Caffeine and creatine for the win.

@@nech060404they ban the amount used not the actual substance

Both...if you are training for a race that is sanctioned the WADA rules apply and certain substances and methods are banned for training.

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Yeah, because they are recovering better thanks to PEDs lol

TRT is generally only granted TUE if you have hypogonadism. Low T and a doctor prescription are not allowed. This is the Kevin Moats case.

​@@TJ.at.DimondBikes Low testosterone is the symptom of hypogonadism. In other words, a prescription for testosterone is provided for hypogonadism. However, there are rare situations where you can have normal testosterone levels and have hypogonadism when SHBG levels are high. And, SHBG increases as we age. It appears you are delineating Low-T and hypogonadism as different.... and, that is not the case. They are (in practical terms) the same. This means that a prescription is the ONLY way to legally treat hypogonadism to maintain a quality of life. And, where the "quality of life" means the t-levels are NORMAL and provide no additional performance benefit. High levels of testosterone to provide performance enhancement are NOT a prescriptive goal for treatment. In fact, excessive levels of testosterone can be more detrimental than low levels of testosterone. Excessive t-levels is the most common correlation between cancer and t-levels and thus requires regular testing for dosage amount and frequency. Exogenous testosterones is not automatically disallowed. It is subject to the same TUE requirement as other drugs. However, I will agree that how TUEs are approved is NOT consistent. WADA has different evaluation standards based on the particular board within the country the TUE is requested. For instance (and the last I looked), testosterone TUEs (and other drugs) are more obtainable in Europe than in North America. In the case of Moats, he originally was banned because he took supplemental testosterone (no prescription, no proven need). The second ban was because he did not get PRE-approval by applying for a TUE for medically prescribed testosterone. It appears Moat's history of misuse contributed to his ban and not simply his use of testosterones. This is not to be compared to a 70 yo. triathlete who has a disabling 250 t-level and takes a 200 t-shots to maintain a healthy (low end) 450 t-level. Low testosterone effects about 35-45% of all men over the age of 45. Extrapolate this to participants in triathlons, it wouldn't surprise me if ALL male age group athletes over the age of 45 were tested for testosterone, you would find at least 1/3 would fail and most would be "middle to pack of the packer" finishers. Bottom line, there is a difference between intentionally testosterone doping and a medical need. And, this becomes more apparent as athletes age. Unfortunately, WADA has a habit of putting every drug into the same basket regardless of age as - abusive use rather than need. This is why testing will never be truly reflective of proper drug use vs. abuse and TUEs are needed. As it stands, most age group athletes will not get TUEs because ... what's the point? WADA has a single minded attitude that benefits no one and scares away the honest people from applying for TUEs. Plus, your video (unfortunately) exemplifies/reflects this.

So you don't care about cheating? Why race at all then?

All drugs/medications/methods should be checked on globaldro.com if it is banned you should apply for a TUE.

One way cheaters rationalize and justify their behavior

If you cheat you're a fake and a liar

@@maryskelcher8979 everyone is on drugs

@@kyleheard8433 Whatever you need to tell yourself, man

@@jasonhendrickson2289 there is entire books written about every professional athlete that’s been busted for drugs. Countries have been banned from the Olympics because of drugs world records have been revoked because of drugs. So sir what I tell my self is the truth. Everyone is on drugs. .

How about we don't embrace it?

@@jameseastwood402 just focus on you. Whats in it for you? Are you even winning in your age group? If you aint winning then just enjoy the sport.

@@PhiyackYuh it's ok to want to compete on a fair playing field wherever you end up.

Why not just take a short cut? Or get a lift during the run? It's cheating, pain and simple

Mark Lewis? He is on TRT . Thats not really EPO . He was basically depressed and in the bed because he was hypogonadal.

So if you have a medical condition it’s cheating to take the drug the doctor recommends? So if you want to do tri you should run zeor or very low test and compete with normal men with a 900? Sounds like you hate anything you don’t do and need excuses for your poor performance.

@@Southerncyclist trt still helps with training mate. Why was he depressed? We dont know the full story. Was it because he has shit job, more stress, poor sleeping habits and nutrition? If thats the case then theres no point on trt, he was just looking for shortcuts. Just like any of these youtube clowns. Remember its all an act to get subscribers. Just ask any exercise physiologist whats the secret to performance for natural weekend worriers or age groupers. It wont be banned substances. Its the stuff you and i know already but dont do it.

@@PhiyackYuh go watch his videos he is very transparent, talks about TRT and why he is on it.

You clearly was not understanding the statement. Go back and listen to the preface of “cheating unintentional.”

Doping intentionally or unintentionally is still against the rules just like drafting intentionally or unintentionally is also against the rules.

​@IzzyR You clearly was not understanding how he implied Sam Long intentionally cheated

​@@TJ.at.DimondBikes You implied he intentionally created

Are you serious?

@@maryskelcher8979 yes. My nuts are pretty small so that helps me on the bike ride anyway.

You have achieved nothing. You are not a triathlete. Your brother should be ashamed.

@@maryskelcher8979 all my friends and girlfriends think I have and that is all that matters. I sell bikes too and this helps my business.